I always tend to think that when us runners talk about race pace as opposed to easy pace then by and large we change our style regardless of what the stopwatch says as it were. So say a sub 3 marathoner going "easy" at say 4 hour pace is a bit different to somebody who is trying to break 4 for the first time. And then there comes a point where some marathon runners will actually typically run slower in the race "on average" than many of their shorter supposedly "easy" runs because the "easy" bit is then often the shorter distance and not necessarily the pace. As you imply a stiffer full on carbon plated racing might then not be the best option but, as you say, there are already plenty of super "trainer" type shoes that kind of address this and from brands you are probably more likely to spend a lot of money on. So whilst in a sport like golf that I also play I perfectly see the need for and indeed use equipment more aligned with my ability (or lack of) but think we need more convincing in running shoes.
Still trying to wrap my head around how a shoe is designed for a specific pace range. I get that mid-packers' form breaks down late in a race when more support is needed. But 9 oz? I'll stick to my Sky Paris, which is sub-7 oz.
When you are an elite runner, it is hard to relate to a more average runner that requires more stability. Even though my feet are neutral, running shoes like the Vaporfly are soooo aggressive and thin in the back that the instability causes a lot of pain in the heel area for me and many others Also, for me, carbon-plated running shoes are significantly more comfortable and reduce foot pain ... compared to non carbon-plated running shoes For the average runner, there are very few options that are not sooo aggressive, and unstable in the heel area with a carbon-plate ... They got it right ... your perspective is an echo chamber of elite professional runners
Everyone was thinking these would be groundbreaking when we first saw those previews, but they sound like legitimate flop. I do wonder, if you were working hard and at your limit to run those "slow" paces, would they feel better than if you were just out feeling like you're going for a jog?
I reckon if I go 4 hours I'd want something to boing boing bop along like a cielo or the gara carbon, speed for the masses would mean max rebound, put nothing in and get everything out, don't think that's the one for that
I always tend to think that when us runners talk about race pace as opposed to easy pace then by and large we change our style regardless of what the stopwatch says as it were. So say a sub 3 marathoner going "easy" at say 4 hour pace is a bit different to somebody who is trying to break 4 for the first time. And then there comes a point where some marathon runners will actually typically run slower in the race "on average" than many of their shorter supposedly "easy" runs because the "easy" bit is then often the shorter distance and not necessarily the pace. As you imply a stiffer full on carbon plated racing might then not be the best option but, as you say, there are already plenty of super "trainer" type shoes that kind of address this and from brands you are probably more likely to spend a lot of money on. So whilst in a sport like golf that I also play I perfectly see the need for and indeed use equipment more aligned with my ability (or lack of) but think we need more convincing in running shoes.
Sounds like they rebadged a super trainer as a super shoe for the masses and charged super shoe prices. Price should 160-180 range.
A real slab of a shoe
Looks like it will turn a 4 hour marathoner into a 4 05 marathoner
I am the masses ❤
Marketing !! Estupendo por Salomón,son unas endorphin speed fantasm !!
Still trying to wrap my head around how a shoe is designed for a specific pace range. I get that mid-packers' form breaks down late in a race when more support is needed. But 9 oz? I'll stick to my Sky Paris, which is sub-7 oz.
When you are an elite runner, it is hard to relate to a more average runner that requires more stability.
Even though my feet are neutral, running shoes like the Vaporfly are soooo aggressive and thin in the back that the instability causes a lot of pain in the heel area for me and many others
Also, for me, carbon-plated running shoes are significantly more comfortable and reduce foot pain ... compared to non carbon-plated running shoes
For the average runner, there are very few options that are not sooo aggressive, and unstable in the heel area with a carbon-plate ...
They got it right ... your perspective is an echo chamber of elite professional runners
I like the Phantasm 2
Everyone was thinking these would be groundbreaking when we first saw those previews, but they sound like legitimate flop. I do wonder, if you were working hard and at your limit to run those "slow" paces, would they feel better than if you were just out feeling like you're going for a jog?
I reckon if I go 4 hours I'd want something to boing boing bop along like a cielo or the gara carbon, speed for the masses would mean max rebound, put nothing in and get everything out, don't think that's the one for that
Con esto,dicho por Salom´n,se lavan las manos en caso de lesiones !!
45 minute 10 k? I aspire to be at the level of the masses. 😢😢
And i`m happy if i go below 25min for 5k this summer :D Damn these guys go fast…
wait, wait a minute, 4 hour marathon and 45min 10k people are not in the same bracket, 😭, or are they 😭
Experience and heavy 😂
“its fine …” says it all £210 and fine. Pass.
Not my cup of tea...
Nobody has mentioned these are just plain boring looking shoes. At least give them some jazzy colours or styling. An expensive boring shoe? Hmmmm
No one is buying this.. it’ll be half priced in 2 months