Thank you for the video. Definitely appreciate all the mage love. This video tracks most with what I am playing currently. Haste and Vers are my highest rated stats. The only shock is that Blood of the enemy didn't make an appearance as a major or minor option, but I guess its because I run at around 30% crit and blood of the enemy minor makes up the difference.
Hey guys! As OverlappedIO pointed out, it appears my priority list got messed up when copying from my notes to the video. Here is the correct version. The change that I made is to use Flurry, only if there is not Winter's Chill debuff or FoF procs. Best of luck everyone! 1. Icy Veins (+CLF) 2. Rune of Power, if not active from Icy veins 3. Flurry if BF proc, no FoF procs , and no WC Debuff 4. Frozen Orb 5. Ice Lance if Winter’s Chill or FoF 6. Frostbolt
Did you see the Mirror of Torment change? It looks like it sucks for Fire and Arcane, but has possibilities for Frost. I really hope a change to the Night Fae ability comes soon to make it competitive for very selfish reasons. I just like the Garden / Farm weekly activity way way more than planning a party (Venthir), "Boss Rush (Kirian), or Building an abomination with Maeldraxis.
Semi yeah it might not be horrible now honestly, just have to wait for sims! also, night fae is really good for arcane and fire rn, so it would be a good pick even if they don’t buff it!
Good question! You should never use cone of cold unless you need to slow something down. It is counter-intuitive, but it does so little damage it is always better to use something else.
ayyyy i’m playing VoP on fortified for the most part! I haven’t ran sims on it though, so you may want to run some sims yourself if you want to make sure it’s totally optimal.
Not gonna lie, now that prepatch is out, I already miss Glacial Spike. It's significantly more fun to play with than TV. Seeing a big ass crit once every 15 or so seconds is so much cooler than seeing a bunch of medium sized crits continuously. As a BFA frost main, I am happy to see frost mage as a top tier spec, but I do wish it was with GS straight up bc it's fun as fuck and one of the reasons why I love frost!
Jon Vunk i think frost has a better general toolkit for PvE but there was just a weird change blizzard made to Winters Chill yesterday. With that and tuning upcoming, I am not gonna be confident until launch lol.
unfortunately this was nerfed last week, and I haven’t re-done all the work since pre-patch releases next week If you are interested in the best pre-patch builds though, i will be streaming myself doing sims then re-clearing mythic nya one last time with my guild tomorrow evening starting at like 8pm est 👍
In my sims it wasn't too great, but I am not certain that the sims factor in the RoP drop on VoP major. With that in mind, I will probably be trying it out, and I could totally see it being goood!! Thanks for the support my man, and thanks for asking a good ass question!
@@hudsonhoch Thank you ^^ just wanted to share the up time of both icy veins and rune of power in a 3 min fight since it was actually crazy xD gyazo.com/e487b6772f3cb8a104f0f815ac5cf052
You are very right!!! About a week after posting this, blizzard came out and fixed heart or darkness. Currently I am running a mix of what I suggested and HoD!
Good question! It does not stack. Also, with pre-patch being released today. I will be checking top logs this week and seeing what exact build came out as the best, then updating people on that, so stay tuned if you’re interested!
It looks like you're using your FoF IL procs before using Flurry + 2 x IL which I think is correct but seems to be different than the priority list. What trinkets look to be the best in pre patch?
You are correct! It appears that when editing the video, the part about not using Flurry until you have consumed your FoF got cut out. Thanks for the notification, I will go and edit something in RQ!
Great video, appreciate the analytics behind it. One question - should you be hard casting a FB into a ice lance with FoF proc? Or simply just hammer out Ice lances?
Sooooooooo, this varies based in if you are in pre-patch or beta becuase flurry works differently for some reason in both. On Pre-patch, you will want to always cast this sequence when using a Brain Freeze proc fb-flurry-IL-IL This allows the FB to shatter as well as the two IL. This changes in multi target however when you want to prio blizzard more. Also, you do not need to cast frostbolts into each FoF ice lace, but just preforming you’re rotation will have that happen most times. That may be a little confusing, but if you need anymore help feel free to stop by my stream the next time I am live and I can always explain stuff better over video / voice than text !
On ptr lucid no ice lance build still does more damage for me. 🤷🏾♂️ , but you are right to change it up now since in SL it seems like they don't want us to ignore procs anymore since they are changing the damage profile to a more frozen orb/ice lance type of build with the conduits.
I mean, who cares what sims powerful In pre patch? You literally won't be doing any end game content seriously. You might he running things for fun but it literally doesn't mean anything.
Made the switch from Fire to frost this was genuinely a great video and helpful video. Thank you tons! Subscribed
Your that guy in the battlegrounds that usto always jsut spam gpie
Wow man great videos. U the man.
Thank you for the video. Definitely appreciate all the mage love.
This video tracks most with what I am playing currently. Haste and Vers are my highest rated stats. The only shock is that Blood of the enemy didn't make an appearance as a major or minor option, but I guess its because I run at around 30% crit and blood of the enemy minor makes up the difference.
Thanks for your guide. Going from fire for months this is a big help! Also you have a great presence, very positive and fun to watch! Keep it up
Yo tank you so much for this video!!! Looking forward for more of your content in Shadowlands!
Hey guys! As OverlappedIO pointed out, it appears my priority list got messed up when copying from my notes to the video. Here is the correct version. The change that I made is to use Flurry, only if there is not Winter's Chill debuff or FoF procs. Best of luck everyone!
1. Icy Veins (+CLF)
2. Rune of Power, if not active from Icy veins
3. Flurry if BF proc, no FoF procs
, and no WC Debuff
4. Frozen Orb
5. Ice Lance if Winter’s Chill or FoF
6. Frostbolt
Hey, so it means that you need to wait for the WC buff to run out ? Seems wied and a big down time no?
@@KeullerA no, you will use ice lance to consume the winters chill debuffs
great video as always Hudson, thank you, cant wait to play frost in SL
Thats great love ice lance builds the best :)
Amazing vid! Thank you so much
What’s crazy is this is the exact build I took from your 8.3 Frozen Orb build. Except I run Frozen Rain in M+
Exsol Right!!! It is super nice, and honesty at higher haste levels and more enemies, freezing rain may eventually win out later on in the expansion 👀
looks like frost mage will be S tier this expansion.
well done, even icy veins is using your documents on mage
Did you see the Mirror of Torment change? It looks like it sucks for Fire and Arcane, but has possibilities for Frost.
I really hope a change to the Night Fae ability comes soon to make it competitive for very selfish reasons. I just like the Garden / Farm weekly activity way way more than planning a party (Venthir), "Boss Rush (Kirian), or Building an abomination with Maeldraxis.
Semi yeah it might not be horrible now honestly, just have to wait for sims! also, night fae is really good for arcane and fire rn, so it would be a good pick even if they don’t buff it!
Always mained the druid for the role diversity but after playing frost a straight dps frost mage is my new main. Way too much fun.
Deteschmode I made the same change as you my man. I use to play resto than in BFA I changed to be a full time Mage, and god damn is it niiiiice.
Hey dude! Really helpful vid, but I was just wondering one thing. Should I use cone of cold anywhere in the aoe rotation?
Good question! You should never use cone of cold unless you need to slow something down. It is counter-intuitive, but it does so little damage it is always better to use something else.
Hey dude:) what major essence is used in fortifited weeks in M+?
ayyyy i’m playing VoP on fortified for the most part! I haven’t ran sims on it though, so you may want to run some sims yourself if you want to make sure it’s totally optimal.
@@hudsonhoch thank you for the fast answer:)
Highborne compendium of storms is nuts right now.
yeah that shit is god tier rn haha
Not gonna lie, now that prepatch is out, I already miss Glacial Spike. It's significantly more fun to play with than TV. Seeing a big ass crit once every 15 or so seconds is so much cooler than seeing a bunch of medium sized crits continuously. As a BFA frost main, I am happy to see frost mage as a top tier spec, but I do wish it was with GS straight up bc it's fun as fuck and one of the reasons why I love frost!
hey hudson is it not better to always precast a frostbolt before using your BF proc to get in 3 WC shaatters?
castling yepp you will always want to have a frostbolt cast before hitting flurry
@@hudsonhoch ty cant wait for prepatch to prac thhhe rotation thhen
Hey bro what site are you using through your this video. Good video brother
So in your opinion is arcane or frost better for DPS? so far
Jon Vunk i think frost has a better general toolkit for PvE but there was just a weird change blizzard made to Winters Chill yesterday. With that and tuning upcoming, I am not gonna be confident until launch lol.
Appreciate it buddy looking forward to this pre-patch and trying out sadly the no glacial spike build I love those glacials won't lie.
Is this still the strongest frost spec right now too? As people are saying different things lol
unfortunately this was nerfed last week, and I haven’t re-done all the work since pre-patch releases next week
If you are interested in the best pre-patch builds though, i will be streaming myself doing sims then re-clearing mythic nya one last time with my guild tomorrow evening starting at like 8pm est 👍
Really love you videos
In my sims it wasn't too great, but I am not certain that the sims factor in the RoP drop on VoP major. With that in mind, I will probably be trying it out, and I could totally see it being goood!! Thanks for the support my man, and thanks for asking a good ass question!
@@hudsonhoch Thank you ^^ just wanted to share the up time of both icy veins and rune of power in a 3 min fight since it was actually crazy xD gyazo.com/e487b6772f3cb8a104f0f815ac5cf052
Abdullah Algohary jeeeeeeez
Darkness trait works very good, I would make that change in your video, if I`m you. Nice video though
You are very right!!! About a week after posting this, blizzard came out and fixed heart or darkness. Currently I am running a mix of what I suggested and HoD!
Does the cdr stack on whiteout?
Good question! It does not stack.
Also, with pre-patch being released today. I will be checking top logs this week and seeing what exact build came out as the best, then updating people on that, so stay tuned if you’re interested!
It looks like you're using your FoF IL procs before using Flurry + 2 x IL which I think is correct but seems to be different than the priority list. What trinkets look to be the best in pre patch?
You are correct! It appears that when editing the video, the part about not using Flurry until you have consumed your FoF got cut out. Thanks for the notification, I will go and edit something in RQ!
@@hudsonhoch Great, thanks! For a while on beta using using IL FoF procs was consuming Flurry BF but it appears to have been fixed.
Great video, appreciate the analytics behind it.
One question - should you be hard casting a FB into a ice lance with FoF proc? Or simply just hammer out Ice lances?
Sooooooooo, this varies based in if you are in pre-patch or beta becuase flurry works differently for some reason in both. On Pre-patch, you will want to always cast this sequence when using a Brain Freeze proc
fb-flurry-IL-IL
This allows the FB to shatter as well as the two IL. This changes in multi target however when you want to prio blizzard more. Also, you do not need to cast frostbolts into each FoF ice lace, but just preforming you’re rotation will have that happen most times.
That may be a little confusing, but if you need anymore help feel free to stop by my stream the next time I am live and I can always explain stuff better over video / voice than text !
On ptr lucid no ice lance build still does more damage for me. 🤷🏾♂️ , but you are right to change it up now since in SL it seems like they don't want us to ignore procs anymore since they are changing the damage profile to a more frozen orb/ice lance type of build with the conduits.
Great video and thank you for it, but man, thats alot of vocal fry lol. Also Im guessing drop mastery trinket for wrathion trinket
I mean, who cares what sims powerful In pre patch? You literally won't be doing any end game content seriously. You might he running things for fun but it literally doesn't mean anything.