I feel you! I'm not gonna buy it, not now anyway. If you want the sound you better get the plugin, but this one I won't buy now either. Maybe later when they ask the prize that it's actually worth. It's ridiculous how they screw us over. As you said: no respect! They don't care for their customers! They are just milking the cow.
The way I read the new 'Knuckles' pedal that just came out is it's connected via USB or has additional USB connectivity. Hopefully they are fixing or giving up on the damn blue tooth.
I have both the dream and lion. I don’t care for the lion at all. Software /app is terrible on top of it. I’m about to sell my lion on eBay . Never tried the ruby but the dream is where it’s at . if you are gonna spend the money My phone app crashes only with the lion lol. Firmware is updated too. Could just get a Marshall origin combo for a few bucks more used.
Oh it's worse than this even... so fast forward to now...I own NO UAFX pedals... I sold them all because the BT pissed me off. So the Dream, Ruby, and Lion come out for Native plugsin.. I'm thinking.... perfect! I'll have them on my PC... there should be no issues! Guess what? Day 3..... the DON'T WORK.... distorting like crazy. I have a ticket open with UA that's going nowhere fast. I'll be doing videos soon. DON'T BUY THE NATIVE VSTs OF THESE PEDALS - THEY ARE NOT STABLE !
@@CatharticGuitar A lot of functionality is app only. It's unacceptable that if your unlucky and gets one that won't work, you are supposed to just disregard functionality you've paid for? I've been waiting for them to come out with a pc editor via usb, but that doesn't seem to happen... Asking their customer service about this is no point either, you get the generic bs. No admittance of existing problems...
No don’t. I have it . Not happy at all with the lion. Dream is great. I have an origin effect revival drive /trem that is way better than the lion . The lion crashes my phone every time.
I had the Lion, and sold within a few weeks time, it was complicated to dial any good tones from it, it was a huge disappointment... yeah bluetooth was pain in the arse to connect to pc... however I don't have the same issue with my Dream65, also it has gorgeous tones out of the box, such a nice pedal, still have it.
I just wanted to let ya all know I bought the pedal spent the afternoon getting insane tones ! I was able to hear my g&l strat the way it is supposed to sound. I also updated the firmware and downloaded the phone app on my galaxy phone. The presets were really amazing! Oh and I'm just a pool cleaner 😂 Oh I looked at the titles of some of your other videos , it appears you're not happy with alot of your purchases 😢
Right on! I'll probably give this thing another whirl. I see the app store ratings for the blue tooth are still abysmal- many people still can't get.blue tooth connect - but congratulations on having the rare conditions in which it does work !
I have the lion and the ruby. I will agree that the uafx app and Bluetooth is very finicky. Which, if you're paying $500 for a pedal it should work better. It does work, you may have to try a couple times but it does work
Oh man, I wanted to buy the new Anti pedal. I just want a pedal that I can use live that has the same sound I use on my recordings. Do you know if these UA amp pedals come with a plugin? And let's say I dial in a few different tones on my album, is it easy to load 5 or 6 tones onto the pedal and switch between them?
They are all great pedals - useable live, just don't count on the BT App to work. Or maybe you get lucky and it does - some phones are fine. They don't come with a plugin at all. (Though for the price they should). The Dream, Ruby and Lion plugins were only just announced a few weeks back. The Anti and Knuckles plugins are sure to follow - they will want to sell pedals first, release the plugins second. (is it easy to load 5 or 6 tones) - no, the app sucks. You pretty much much have to bend down and set the pedal live. THE APP SUCKS !!!
@@QuestForGear Thanks for responding my dude. So, are you saying you have to buy the plugins separately when they eventually come out? I thought if you bought the pedal you should get the plugin included. In regards to playing live, there's no way I can do all that while I'm singing and playing. I can't use a phone when I'm sweating my nut off!
The plugins were a welcomed surprise that only just released a few weeks back. I currently own NONE of these pedals but I might consider buying the plugins for studio use,so I was glad to see them announced. I wish they came bundled with the pedals too - lots of people are saying this as well. Maybe the Blue Tooth and App will work for your phone, but other wise - you'll have to set the pedal manually, or - you can save 1 preset... which will let you switch between - the manual settings - and that preset.
@@QuestForGear The plugins are £150?!?!?! I thought the whole gimmick was that you had a pedal and a plugin so you could take your tones with you?!? I honestly regret even considering buying this. Just researching it is giving making me feel ill.
@@QuestForGear I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. I buy an amp sim pedal so I don't have to carry an amp to practice. My band is only allowed two tones per song. Once I find those two perfect tones and write all my material with them, I have no way of recording with them so have to buy a different plugin to try to get a sound that is similar? Also, I can't practice at home with headphones?
What a bummer. Seems hit or miss for some. I never had update issues or a Bluetooth issues with mine. Incredible pedal. After A/B testing it into power amp with same two cabs I use with my Grand Amps 50 watt Plexi clone, the Lion 68 was close enough that I don’t need to use my Plexi clone + Fryette PS2A anymore. One a more positive note for you - I A/B tested my Lion 68 against a Kourbis Plexivibe tube preamp pedal and was able to match sounds. The Plexivibe includes the phase inverter which can be driven by the preamp output and sound like a big full Plexi. It’s analog, has two 12ax7’s, is mono only, but a lot of tiny rocker switches add a lot of options (on the sides of the pedal), takes a full IEC power cord and drives proper voltage to the tubes. You can alway add a Two Notes CAB M+ and get your cab sims (plus the CAB M+ has power amp modeling with 4 tube types and can also be driven on the power tubes - I wouldn’t drive them with the Plexivibe as it doesn’t need it, but might add a little bit more full Plexi effect). I ran my Lion 68 into clean power amp and same cabs as the Plexivibe. I put the Lion 68 in 4 cable method with the Plexivibe so I could instant switch between the two even while a chord was still ringing out, and got it to where you couldn’t tell which was which as I switched. The Plexivibe is the Treble channel of a Plexi. It’s Gain knob is like the Treble channel volume, it’s Volume knob is like a Master volume (turn it up and it saturates and compresses like turning up the Master Volume of a two hole JMP Plexi, and the Master knob controls the pedal’s actual output. Treble Middle Bass controls and a toggle for high or low gain structure (like the high or low input jacks on a two hole JMP). No updates to do, no app to connect to since it’s all analog. No need for a Marshall SV20 that needs an attenuator to control volumes at home levels. The Plexivibe pedal will get those SV20 sounds on its own. Hand built in Greece by Kourbis Amps. Like I said - I A/B’ed the Lion 68 against my full tube Plexi, but also against the Plexivibe, and all three can sound the same with same cabs. A used CAB M+ from Two Notes paired with Plexivibe and you’ll be back to all the cab sim options plus more. Much smaller than an SV20 too.
I've since had one since you write this.... and yeah - it's awesome. I returned it though - I can't currently justify this much money for one flavor of amp... when alternatives give you 1000's of amps for the same price or less. But yeah - the Lion REALLY nails the Marshall sound.
I have tons of bluetooth devices from 6+ years ago, and even longer (esp32 from 2017 for example), that connect to my brand new devices just fine. I don't think bluetooth itself is the problem here, so much as their implementation of the pairing logic combined with the app not checking on a loop to see whether the thing is connected or not. Not that you should have to do this, and you probably just shouldn't do this, however as a tinkerer, I'm wondering what the experience would be plugging your pedals into a raspberry pi, using usb over network to pass them through to your pc (or maybe even phone if the app supports usb.) Hopefully they get this sorted. It seems like an insanely easy issue to get right, and I'm a bit impressed that they managed to screw up something implemented flawlessly by so many other manufacturers.
They've messed this up somewhere along the line. The last thing like it I tried was a Fender Mustang GTX100 and I had no issue. And my Tascam Model 24 blue tooth connects so well - that it connects when I don't want it to - everytime I walk in the house. And the App 'whiteing out' while I'm using it is rediculous.... I've tested this on multiple Androids. Check the UAFX iPhone app - it has a 2.2 star review at this point.
@@QuestForGear yeah, not arguing that there is an issue. I’m just saying that bluetooth itself isn’t the issue, and that the fear that it won’t connect in x years if they do (hopefully) pull their heads out of their rears shouldn’t be at the top of the list of concerns.
@@jullev6709 Go read the 2 star reviews for the Apple and Android store. The majority of people cannot get it to work. If it happens to work for you - you are in the minority. Yes I have 2 iPads, 2 Android Phones, my wife has a new IPhone.... the UAFX App is crap - there is no getting around it. Hence the 2 star reviews.
I ruined few of my Tc Electronic devices with MASH switch , as the switch stopped mashing (though the led light was still flashing) and I couldn't even do a hard-reset with the app . I also noticed that the Extreme version of VoiceLive 3 fixes all the bugs that had the predecessor . So... it leads me to a conclusion that companies just don't care about us . They actually like when there is always a room for improvement .
I always told my self, if UA comes out with more of these pedals than the original 3 ( golden reverb, galaxy echo, and ??? I forgot) then its pretty much just a gimmick. I was optimistic when they released the first few, saying wow, UA Is going to make quality. Once they started releasing all the different amp simulation ones, and the del verb etc, it is just the same thing as selling lures to fisherman by look and not functionality. I love UA and have not tried one of these pedals, because the galaxy tape echo was pretty expensive. I am glad I held out and got lucky enough to find a Roland space echo for 3 or 2 times the price as one of these pedals.
they are heavy and take up some room, can't really be played at lower volumes, but used amps can go for as same as these pedals and are the same . $550?? that's halfway to a used mesa boogie
Yeah, at one point I had the Golden, Starlight, Astra and Dream 65. A year later, I'm down to just the Dream. They all sound great, but they were originally sold with this vague promise that they'd be a continuously updated platform. Obviously that plan changed at some point, because in the time since they released them that USB port has literally only been used for a bluetooth fix that didn't really fix anything, and they've just been pumping loads of other pedals with the same algorithms onto the market rather than adding new algorithms to existing pedals. If you confront UA about this, they'll basically imply you're a food for buying something in the hopes it'd get better rather than for what it is. Fair enough then, but you've taught me a lesson about your company I won't forget.
I have been eyeing this device for some time. But, no pc editor and a clunky bluetooth connection to edit stuff? Isn't this supposed to be pro level gear? Who wants to edit their gear on a phone, pro or not? It's crazy... Even the cheapest devices of this kind has fully working editors. Harley Benton and all these new supercheap brands from China, Hotone, Valeton, Mooer... They all have fully functional excellent editors. Haven't even started talking about all other kind of cheap gear and gadgets with a Bluetooth connection that works flawlessly. But UA can't even bother to try and fix the Bluetooth or make a editor for pc?
Oh it's worse than this even... so fast forward to now...I own NO UAFX pedals... I sold them all because the BT pissed me off. So the Dream, Ruby, and Lion come out for Native plugsin.. I'm thinking.... perfect! I'll have them on my PC... there should be no issues! Guess what? Day 3..... the DON'T WORK.... distorting like crazy. I have a ticket open with UA that's going nowhere fast. I'll be doing videos soon. DON'T BUY THE NATIVE VSTs OF THESE PEDALS - THEY ARE NOT STABLE !
@@QuestForGear Insane... I guess that's what happens when a brand grow too big for their own good. The customer is not the priority, quick sells and expanding profit is...
They don’t support Windows, at all! I bought an Android tablet, to control my Del-Verb unit and couldn’t get it to work. The thing that really confuses me about the UAFX units, was why they didn’t just use USB for there control app! You need to use USB to see the unit in there Connect App and to update the firmware, but you need to use Bluetooth to control the unit! It is almost like they had two competing, but not talking groups working on these units! These are all just a big money grab! They are all the same, accept the color and the firmware!🤑🙁
Had the same issue. Samsung phone also. It's a shame, considering how awesome the pedals sound. Ultimately, I returned my Lion and bought a strymon Iridium.
@@QuestForGear sorry, I misspoke - the “Max” Dual Compressor/Preamp isn’t specifically a bass pedal, but it has a lot of features that are used by and geared towards bass players including the compressors modeled and the EQ frequencies out of the box. I think the 1176 has similar issues, but the Max has them the worst. There’s no way for the Max to not distort when using an active bass and the noise floor is raised so high on passive basses that it can’t be used in a recording context without introducing tons of noise.
UA designed the pedal so you have to go that route to access any presets or settings to change what the buttons do. I would have been happy with no blue tooth and no presets... or simply saving one preset. They could have chopped $100 of the price of this thing. You have to connect this thing to the internet at the get go to access a 'bonus' 3 speakers... that's the carrot to make a user want to get this thing registered and online. You could ignore the USB and Blutooth - but you'd be abandoning features you paid for in the price of the pedal. The main issue for me here is THEY KNOW this is a problem - but just keep putting out more pedals with the problem - and firmware fixes that don't solve it. The iPhone app has a 1 star review and I've tried 3 Android phones - same issues on each.
The Max compressor was very easy to connect to. But i don't need it anyways because it's set up how i want. Steve Albini talked about this as the reason why he didn't use daws... In 30 years, none of your plugins will register and your old stems will be ruined. @@QuestForGear
@@BobbyGeneric145 With my setup - breaking it is as simple as Universal Audio changing the name of it's plugins by a single character. You go to load a past session - and the plugins are not found.
"All the usual suspects have auditioned this pedal." It's impossible for me to tell how anything sounds when someone like Rhett Shull plays it. Shull, Ronquillo, guys like that--they always sound freakin' great. I need to hear stuff played by yutzes like me!
You make a great point. I'm not usually one for watching / listening to 'guitar for the sake of guitar' - but Rhett is so good, I find him entreating to watch him - just play guitar! And yeah as for yutzes - I recently though again that I might want a Tone Master Pro - so I re-watched a video of ME playing it - and I was like... no, this sucks !! lol. Had it' been Andy, Rhett, etc - I probably would have went and bought one. So you make a really excellent point.
@@QuestForGear I have a theory that the Blues Junior is so popular because even a thumb-fingered schlemiel like me can get a decent sound out of it sitting in a Guitar Center.
No way to connect (updated) Woodrow to my (updated android) Samsung phone and tablet, no matter how hard I tried in any way possibile. I'll never buy another UA pedal, that's ridicolous.
Yeah it's insane . Very disrespectful at this point. Lots of users boasts - 'Works for me!' - as if they are electrical engineers with inside secret hacks. It's like 3 buttons to connect it - it should work for everyone easily!
I feel you! I'm not gonna buy it, not now anyway. If you want the sound you better get the plugin, but this one I won't buy now either. Maybe later when they ask the prize that it's actually worth. It's ridiculous how they screw us over. As you said: no respect! They don't care for their customers! They are just milking the cow.
The way I read the new 'Knuckles' pedal that just came out is it's connected via USB or has additional USB connectivity. Hopefully they are fixing or giving up on the damn blue tooth.
I have both the dream and lion. I don’t care for the lion at all. Software /app is terrible on top of it. I’m about to sell my lion on eBay . Never tried the ruby but the dream is where it’s at .
if you are gonna spend the money
My phone app crashes only with the lion lol. Firmware is updated too. Could just get a Marshall origin combo for a few bucks more used.
I’d say buy it. Get it to connect and set it how you like, and then, don’t use the app. It’s waaaay better than the Boss and the Iridium.
Oh it's worse than this even... so fast forward to now...I own NO UAFX pedals... I sold them all because the BT pissed me off. So the Dream, Ruby, and Lion come out for Native plugsin.. I'm thinking.... perfect! I'll have them on my PC... there should be no issues! Guess what? Day 3..... the DON'T WORK.... distorting like crazy. I have a ticket open with UA that's going nowhere fast. I'll be doing videos soon. DON'T BUY THE NATIVE VSTs OF THESE PEDALS - THEY ARE NOT STABLE !
@@CatharticGuitar A lot of functionality is app only. It's unacceptable that if your unlucky and gets one that won't work, you are supposed to just disregard functionality you've paid for?
I've been waiting for them to come out with a pc editor via usb, but that doesn't seem to happen... Asking their customer service about this is no point either, you get the generic bs. No admittance of existing problems...
They are really expensive to not fully work, that is for sure. They do sound amazing though.
No don’t. I have it . Not happy at all with the lion. Dream is great. I have an origin effect revival drive /trem that is way better than the lion . The lion crashes my phone every time.
I had the Lion, and sold within a few weeks time, it was complicated to dial any good tones from it, it was a huge disappointment... yeah bluetooth was pain in the arse to connect to pc... however I don't have the same issue with my Dream65, also it has gorgeous tones out of the box, such a nice pedal, still have it.
They sound great for sure! I would still have the Dream 65 - except I now instead have the Deluxe Tone Master.
I just wanted to let ya all know I bought the pedal spent the afternoon getting insane tones ! I was able to hear my g&l strat the way it is supposed to sound. I also updated the firmware and downloaded the phone app on my galaxy phone. The presets were really amazing! Oh and I'm just a pool cleaner 😂
Oh I looked at the titles of some of your other videos , it appears you're not happy with alot of your purchases 😢
Right on! I'll probably give this thing another whirl. I see the app store ratings for the blue tooth are still abysmal- many people still can't get.blue tooth connect - but congratulations on having the rare conditions in which it does work !
I have the lion and the ruby. I will agree that the uafx app and Bluetooth is very finicky. Which, if you're paying $500 for a pedal it should work better. It does work, you may have to try a couple times but it does work
Oh man, I wanted to buy the new Anti pedal. I just want a pedal that I can use live that has the same sound I use on my recordings. Do you know if these UA amp pedals come with a plugin? And let's say I dial in a few different tones on my album, is it easy to load 5 or 6 tones onto the pedal and switch between them?
They are all great pedals - useable live, just don't count on the BT App to work. Or maybe you get lucky and it does - some phones are fine. They don't come with a plugin at all. (Though for the price they should). The Dream, Ruby and Lion plugins were only just announced a few weeks back. The Anti and Knuckles plugins are sure to follow - they will want to sell pedals first, release the plugins second. (is it easy to load 5 or 6 tones) - no, the app sucks. You pretty much much have to bend down and set the pedal live. THE APP SUCKS !!!
@@QuestForGear Thanks for responding my dude. So, are you saying you have to buy the plugins separately when they eventually come out? I thought if you bought the pedal you should get the plugin included. In regards to playing live, there's no way I can do all that while I'm singing and playing. I can't use a phone when I'm sweating my nut off!
The plugins were a welcomed surprise that only just released a few weeks back. I currently own NONE of these pedals but I might consider buying the plugins for studio use,so I was glad to see them announced. I wish they came bundled with the pedals too - lots of people are saying this as well. Maybe the Blue Tooth and App will work for your phone, but other wise - you'll have to set the pedal manually, or - you can save 1 preset... which will let you switch between - the manual settings - and that preset.
@@QuestForGear The plugins are £150?!?!?! I thought the whole gimmick was that you had a pedal and a plugin so you could take your tones with you?!? I honestly regret even considering buying this. Just researching it is giving making me feel ill.
@@QuestForGear I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. I buy an amp sim pedal so I don't have to carry an amp to practice. My band is only allowed two tones per song. Once I find those two perfect tones and write all my material with them, I have no way of recording with them so have to buy a different plugin to try to get a sound that is similar? Also, I can't practice at home with headphones?
What a bummer. Seems hit or miss for some. I never had update issues or a Bluetooth issues with mine. Incredible pedal. After A/B testing it into power amp with same two cabs I use with my Grand Amps 50 watt Plexi clone, the Lion 68 was close enough that I don’t need to use my Plexi clone + Fryette PS2A anymore. One a more positive note for you - I A/B tested my Lion 68 against a Kourbis Plexivibe tube preamp pedal and was able to match sounds. The Plexivibe includes the phase inverter which can be driven by the preamp output and sound like a big full Plexi. It’s analog, has two 12ax7’s, is mono only, but a lot of tiny rocker switches add a lot of options (on the sides of the pedal), takes a full IEC power cord and drives proper voltage to the tubes. You can alway add a Two Notes CAB M+ and get your cab sims (plus the CAB M+ has power amp modeling with 4 tube types and can also be driven on the power tubes - I wouldn’t drive them with the Plexivibe as it doesn’t need it, but might add a little bit more full Plexi effect). I ran my Lion 68 into clean power amp and same cabs as the Plexivibe. I put the Lion 68 in 4 cable method with the Plexivibe so I could instant switch between the two even while a chord was still ringing out, and got it to where you couldn’t tell which was which as I switched. The Plexivibe is the Treble channel of a Plexi. It’s Gain knob is like the Treble channel volume, it’s Volume knob is like a Master volume (turn it up and it saturates and compresses like turning up the Master Volume of a two hole JMP Plexi, and the Master knob controls the pedal’s actual output. Treble Middle Bass controls and a toggle for high or low gain structure (like the high or low input jacks on a two hole JMP). No updates to do, no app to connect to since it’s all analog. No need for a Marshall SV20 that needs an attenuator to control volumes at home levels. The Plexivibe pedal will get those SV20 sounds on its own. Hand built in Greece by Kourbis Amps. Like I said - I A/B’ed the Lion 68 against my full tube Plexi, but also against the Plexivibe, and all three can sound the same with same cabs. A used CAB M+ from Two Notes paired with Plexivibe and you’ll be back to all the cab sim options plus more. Much smaller than an SV20 too.
I've since had one since you write this.... and yeah - it's awesome. I returned it though - I can't currently justify this much money for one flavor of amp... when alternatives give you 1000's of amps for the same price or less. But yeah - the Lion REALLY nails the Marshall sound.
I have tons of bluetooth devices from 6+ years ago, and even longer (esp32 from 2017 for example), that connect to my brand new devices just fine. I don't think bluetooth itself is the problem here, so much as their implementation of the pairing logic combined with the app not checking on a loop to see whether the thing is connected or not.
Not that you should have to do this, and you probably just shouldn't do this, however as a tinkerer, I'm wondering what the experience would be plugging your pedals into a raspberry pi, using usb over network to pass them through to your pc (or maybe even phone if the app supports usb.)
Hopefully they get this sorted. It seems like an insanely easy issue to get right, and I'm a bit impressed that they managed to screw up something implemented flawlessly by so many other manufacturers.
They've messed this up somewhere along the line. The last thing like it I tried was a Fender Mustang GTX100 and I had no issue. And my Tascam Model 24 blue tooth connects so well - that it connects when I don't want it to - everytime I walk in the house. And the App 'whiteing out' while I'm using it is rediculous.... I've tested this on multiple Androids. Check the UAFX iPhone app - it has a 2.2 star review at this point.
@@QuestForGear yeah, not arguing that there is an issue. I’m just saying that bluetooth itself isn’t the issue, and that the fear that it won’t connect in x years if they do (hopefully) pull their heads out of their rears shouldn’t be at the top of the list of concerns.
@@threepe0 The weak warranty and high price of repair - that is reported now - is a major concern. I have already witnessed 1 dead Dream Pedal. DOA.
This was funny. I feel you, though.
I've never had a problem with my Ruby or Dream & I've had them since they came out
You just push the buttons better than I do.
My connects instantly... Also android, 150€ phone firmware 1.19.152
Mine does not.
@@mathewworkman1625:/ did you try another phone?
@@jullev6709 Go read the 2 star reviews for the Apple and Android store. The majority of people cannot get it to work. If it happens to work for you - you are in the minority. Yes I have 2 iPads, 2 Android Phones, my wife has a new IPhone.... the UAFX App is crap - there is no getting around it. Hence the 2 star reviews.
I ruined few of my Tc Electronic devices with MASH switch , as the switch stopped mashing (though the led light was still flashing) and I couldn't even do a hard-reset with the app . I also noticed that the Extreme version of VoiceLive 3 fixes all the bugs that had the predecessor . So... it leads me to a conclusion that companies just don't care about us . They actually like when there is always a room for improvement .
Not understanding MASH switch... like- you were pressing the switch hard / mashing it?
@@QuestForGear Yes . I press it and nothing happens but the light for Mash flashes like it is actually mashing .
I always told my self, if UA comes out with more of these pedals than the original 3 ( golden reverb, galaxy echo, and ??? I forgot) then its pretty much just a gimmick. I was optimistic when they released the first few, saying wow, UA Is going to make quality. Once they started releasing all the different amp simulation ones, and the del verb etc, it is just the same thing as selling lures to fisherman by look and not functionality. I love UA and have not tried one of these pedals, because the galaxy tape echo was pretty expensive. I am glad I held out and got lucky enough to find a Roland space echo for 3 or 2 times the price as one of these pedals.
they are heavy and take up some room, can't really be played at lower volumes, but used amps can go for as same as these pedals and are the same . $550?? that's halfway to a used mesa boogie
Exactly! Or $500 even gets you a long way towards Kemper or Helix! $550 is a lot for one kind of amp these days.
Yeah, at one point I had the Golden, Starlight, Astra and Dream 65. A year later, I'm down to just the Dream. They all sound great, but they were originally sold with this vague promise that they'd be a continuously updated platform. Obviously that plan changed at some point, because in the time since they released them that USB port has literally only been used for a bluetooth fix that didn't really fix anything, and they've just been pumping loads of other pedals with the same algorithms onto the market rather than adding new algorithms to existing pedals. If you confront UA about this, they'll basically imply you're a food for buying something in the hopes it'd get better rather than for what it is. Fair enough then, but you've taught me a lesson about your company I won't forget.
Reddit is screaming about this. HOW THE F - do they release pedal after pedal with these same flaws?
I have been eyeing this device for some time. But, no pc editor and a clunky bluetooth connection to edit stuff? Isn't this supposed to be pro level gear? Who wants to edit their gear on a phone, pro or not?
It's crazy... Even the cheapest devices of this kind has fully working editors. Harley Benton and all these new supercheap brands from China, Hotone, Valeton, Mooer... They all have fully functional excellent editors. Haven't even started talking about all other kind of cheap gear and gadgets with a Bluetooth connection that works flawlessly. But UA can't even bother to try and fix the Bluetooth or make a editor for pc?
Oh it's worse than this even... so fast forward to now...I own NO UAFX pedals... I sold them all because the BT pissed me off. So the Dream, Ruby, and Lion come out for Native plugsin.. I'm thinking.... perfect! I'll have them on my PC... there should be no issues! Guess what? Day 3..... the DON'T WORK.... distorting like crazy. I have a ticket open with UA that's going nowhere fast. I'll be doing videos soon. DON'T BUY THE NATIVE VSTs OF THESE PEDALS - THEY ARE NOT STABLE !
@@QuestForGear Insane... I guess that's what happens when a brand grow too big for their own good. The customer is not the priority, quick sells and expanding profit is...
Yeah, I'd be wise to dump all my UA stuff at this point and not look back.
Does the USB work? If so, why not use that?
No, app is Blue Tooth only.
@@QuestForGear Dam that's a bit silly
Had same issue with ruby blue tooth
For sure... tons of people are.
They don’t support Windows, at all! I bought an Android tablet, to control my Del-Verb unit and couldn’t get it to work. The thing that really confuses me about the UAFX units, was why they didn’t just use USB for there control app! You need to use USB to see the unit in there Connect App and to update the firmware, but you need to use Bluetooth to control the unit! It is almost like they had two competing, but not talking groups working on these units! These are all just a big money grab! They are all the same, accept the color and the firmware!🤑🙁
I agree!
Had the same issue. Samsung phone also. It's a shame, considering how awesome the pedals sound. Ultimately, I returned my Lion and bought a strymon Iridium.
I need to try one of those. I think I'm afraid I'll like it - and suddenly my Deluxe and AC15 will be obsolete.
The bass pedals all raise the noise floor so significantly as to be unusable in a recording context. UA’s response has largely been “tough shit.”
I didn't know that. Which 'bass pedals' are you talking about? I think I dodged a bullet deciding NOT to buy the Lion.
@@QuestForGear sorry, I misspoke - the “Max” Dual Compressor/Preamp isn’t specifically a bass pedal, but it has a lot of features that are used by and geared towards bass players including the compressors modeled and the EQ frequencies out of the box. I think the 1176 has similar issues, but the Max has them the worst. There’s no way for the Max to not distort when using an active bass and the noise floor is raised so high on passive basses that it can’t be used in a recording context without introducing tons of noise.
Wow! What a let down! You would think the main attraction for that pedal would be Bass!
So why do you need bluetooth on a pedal?
UA designed the pedal so you have to go that route to access any presets or settings to change what the buttons
do. I would have been happy with no blue tooth and no presets... or simply saving one preset. They could
have chopped $100 of the price of this thing. You have to connect this thing to the internet at the get go
to access a 'bonus' 3 speakers... that's the carrot to make a user want to get this thing registered and online.
You could ignore the USB and Blutooth - but you'd be abandoning features you paid for in the price of the pedal.
The main issue for me here is THEY KNOW this is a problem - but just keep putting out more pedals with the problem
- and firmware fixes that don't solve it. The iPhone app has a 1 star review and I've tried 3 Android phones -
same issues on each.
The Max compressor was very easy to connect to. But i don't need it anyways because it's set up how i want.
Steve Albini talked about this as the reason why he didn't use daws... In 30 years, none of your plugins will register and your old stems will be ruined. @@QuestForGear
@@BobbyGeneric145 So true! Doesn't even need to be 30... my sessions from 4 years ago are broken.
@@mathewworkman1625 albini named 20 different "industry standard" digital formats, all dead.
@@BobbyGeneric145 With my setup - breaking it is as simple as Universal Audio changing the name of it's plugins by a single character. You go to load a past session - and the plugins are not found.
"All the usual suspects have auditioned this pedal."
It's impossible for me to tell how anything sounds when someone like Rhett Shull plays it. Shull, Ronquillo, guys like that--they always sound freakin' great. I need to hear stuff played by yutzes like me!
You make a great point. I'm not usually one for watching / listening to 'guitar for the sake of guitar' - but Rhett is so good, I find him entreating to watch him - just play guitar! And yeah as for yutzes - I recently though again that I might want a Tone Master Pro - so I re-watched a video of ME playing it - and I was like... no, this sucks !! lol. Had it' been Andy, Rhett, etc - I probably would have went and bought one. So you make a really excellent point.
@@QuestForGear I have a theory that the Blues Junior is so popular because even a thumb-fingered schlemiel like me can get a decent sound out of it sitting in a Guitar Center.
No way to connect (updated) Woodrow to my (updated android) Samsung phone and tablet, no matter how hard I tried in any way possibile. I'll never buy another UA pedal, that's ridicolous.
Yeah it's insane . Very disrespectful at this point. Lots of users boasts - 'Works for me!' - as if they are electrical engineers with inside secret hacks. It's like 3 buttons to connect it - it should work for everyone easily!
I love the internet
I love lamp.
Why would anyone be willing to pay 550 dollars for a single amp plugin, is beyond me.
Yeah I couldn't justify it. Beautiful pedal, sounds great - but too much money.
My new Lion's bluetooth works fine with my 5 year old LGV50 smartphone.
For some folks it does! Hard to say what the magic combination is.