WW1 Prideaux Loader for the .455 Webley Revolvers
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The Prideaux loader was one of several early such devices patented and manufactured as early as 1893, but neither it nor any competitor saw much demand until the outbreak of World War One. At that point, a substantial number were purchased privately by individual officers for use in the trenches - enough that they came to the attention of the British military administration. In October of 1918 the Prideaux specifically was formally adopted by the British military, although none were procured until after the war ended - all surviving military examples show 1919 dates.
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"I have here a Webley Fosbery" things basically only Ian will get the opportunity to casually say in the 21st century.
Unless they do a steampunk dirty Harry remake...
@@jonc67uk that would actually be kinda cool to see. But only if Ian got a special guest spot.
@@jonc67uk You mean like this? (from 1:16) th-cam.com/video/0Y27MfF-n_Y/w-d-xo.html
For a 100 year old relic built of thin metal this object is in remarkably good condition.
It is blued to a degree, but yeah not bent and stuff.. Good condition indeed
@@iridian Looks like 1.6 or 1.8mm mild steel so not really that thin. Takes some actual effort to form and therefore deform.
In fairness it's probably never been used 😉
@@mrkeogh Probably owned by an aristocratic officer who never left the officers club but his lordship let the pesky commoners fight die and rott in the dirt.
@@brokenspine66 they always do
*loads in one swift action* TAKE MY SHILLINGS
Unloads in six rapid actions AND TAKE MY SHELLS, TOO!
And as your avaerage wage at the time was about 17 shillings per week, you got much better value! It's a neat bit of kit, I'd settle for a copy.
@@kevinwestermann1001 "Unloads in six rapid actions" -- It's a Webley. You push the latch , break the gun, the shells are gone. Two actions.
@@JohnHughesChampigny It's a revolver - there is only one true method of unloading, that means firing it. :P
@@JohnHughesChampigny - I don't think you are really understanding what he is saying. Come on, you can do it....
For those that are wondering...
A shilling is 12 pence, and there are 20 shillings in a pound. So a pound is 240 pence
:)
Thanks
So how much does Mike Pence shill? My math is a bit rusty.
All I've heard was:
There are 17 Sickles in a Galleon, and 29 Knuts in a Sickle, meaning there are 493 Knuts in a Galleon.
I remember winning a 6 penny piece when I was....very young. Fortunately we moved to decimal currency and the metric system before I had to learn that stuff. Imagine having to work out how many guineas it would cost to buy a field 2x3 furlongs (a guinea was 1 pound and 1 shilling).
@@onpsxmember Harry Potter reference on a gun channel. Love it. ;)
Webley sold the curcular clips preloaded in packs of six and 10 throughout WW1. They were cheap enough to be considered disposable, although if you held on to them they could be refilled.
It's strange that S&W never thought of a speedloader for their Model 3 and variants. Especially, when you considered that the old top break Model 3 was pressed into service for WW1.
I wonder if these, loaded with .45 Scofield(or .45 Colt in modern reproductions),
would have worked in the S&W No.3 Scofield.
Something about a loaded speedloader just looks so good, i just wanna hold it and feel the weight of it.
sound like you're talking about a pp ngl
@@piccionenberg maybe he wants to suck one
that's what she said
Debased.
Me: "That's neat...I wonder how well it.....Ooooh!"
Seems to work better than today's speedloaders.
So this is the cool thing that player just tosses away after loading his webley in battlefield 1. Shame on him
Being shot at: “better save this little piece of metal, better save my brass for reloading too”
I don’t think anyone being shot at is going to care if a few disposable things are dropped.
@@jakegarrett8109 I'd hardly call that disposable especially given that you likely had to buy it on your own.
That's how everyone feels when they see people throw away en-bloc clips too.
@@jakegarrett8109 he was making a joke man
@@jakegarrett8109 They weren't as disposable back then, but at least it's not an entire magazine being dropped.
I was hoping you test it for the video on the gun 3:00 I am blessed to see it working :)
I had the same concern but thankfully we were blessed by seen how it actually worked
Let’s hope for a live fire tomorrow. 😉
It works so seamlessly well. No jiggling, no loose rounds just boom, loaded.
Watson's version was more complex?
I was sort of hoping that his effort would be more... elementary 😎
"If you eliminate the impossible whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth".
Holmes was "elementary", Watson wasn't clever enough to come up with the simple solutions.
Watson got the idea after fighting in Afghanistan.
"you cant see anything from way back there"
me with my 55″ 4k Tv: "that's where you're wrong gun Jesus"
you’re*
You’r*
bruh all the grammar N*zis (i dont wanna be suppressed by youtube) in the replies, i fixed it please stop bullying me lmao
1080p video, YT compression
That function is so smooth, I love it. Anything to keep the heavy revolvers in service as long as possible.
hey you're the guy always commenting on Phly's videos
My respect for this man knows no bounds! In a world of social media, fake news and general "bulldust". He is just about the only thing you can absolutlely rely on. Thanks Ian.
"Prideaux's Patent Revolver Loader Magazine". I find it really interesting to think that under the technical definitions, this is a magazine, since clips load the magazine, and magazines load the chamber, and since this directly feeds the chambers of the revolver, *technically* this would be a magazine. Neat.
oh I saw this speed loader when I played Far cry 4, I thought it was a made up speedloader to reload a webley, I didn’t know it was an actual thing.
I like the yellow smiley face shovel available in Far cry 5, easy to recreate.
It was in Far Cry 4? I didn't know that, but then again I never used the Webley in that game haha.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine There is one good reason to use it, and that is that it's a Webley.
@@KageMinowara Webley and elephant gun combo looks British to me.
Now I'm going to have to go back to Kyrat and dig my Sixer out...
The Webley isn't a terrible handgun, but why use a Webley when a 40mm grenade launcher will do the job?
The Elephant Gun does kinda encourage you to take out the old .455, though!
Fwiw, that broad head arrow is the "kings mark" used to mark property of the crown (ie owned by the state), it was used on prison outfits etc too. The same arrow with a line across the point is the "bench mark" used by the Ordnance survey for marking datum points (giving rise to the word "benchmark")
I would gladly buy the fake, so long as it was acknowledged to be one. Function is everything. The real one could sit on my shelf as an exhibit. 1893 patent, though. Steampunk novelists, please note that it is realistic for your characters to be carrying these for their regular Webleys.
Ah yes, the Webley Fosbery. Not to be confused with the Webley Strawberry which is entirely more delicious.
Boooooooo
Get off the stage!
The fosberries taste like fosbery.
Haha
Or the fosbury flop.
Seems to be a better design than common speedloaders.
Yeah, just push in and let it fall away
How exactly DO modern speed loaders work? I've never used one before.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine modern speedloaders are a two-handed operation(twist knob on the back). There was a speed loader product in the early 2000s that was solid rubber and you pulled it off to the side.
But both were goofy expensive
Safariland made "push in" style speed loaders out of plastic. I have a couple and they work great and are faster than HKS. Don't know if they still make them. Mine are pretty old.
@@rogainegaming6924 the ones I’ve seen have a twist mechanism, instead of just pushing the rounds in and the clip falling off like in the vid. You place the rounds in and then twist the handle at the back of the speed loader and the rounds fall into the cylinder
What a coincidence to see this video just when I checked for new stuff. Used that Speedloader in Hotdogs, Horseshoes and Handgrenades earlier this week and wondered why it looked so differently to some others.
3:08 Damn, so smooth
evryone likes high-capacity guns, but no one likes loading them.
must have been a pretty good market for an industrious and smart guy back then.
Now you've reminded me of the damn bizon
*no one
When you mentioned these yesterday I spent a good bit of time searching for a video on them. Thanks for consistently delivering the good stuff.
I love this channel. I am about as far from a gun enthusiast as you could possibly get, but I really appreciate the feats of engineering on display in these videos, especially in videos on older historic firearms and firearm accessories.
Thank you Ian for all the hard work and time you invest to teach us.
Another precious video about this fantastic pistol the Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver with the plus of the still rarer Prideaux speedloader. Thank you very much for sharing.
Great that you mentioned the Army & Navy Cooperative. This was the store where earnest young officers would get their uniforms, kit and even pistols before embarking for the killing fields of France and Belgium. Check out Memoirs of an Infantry Officer by Siegfried Sassoon. He bought a small Browning automatic as (he said) he couldn’t bear the thought of being mortally wounded and having to kill himself with his service .455 revolver
I really wish replicas were more commonly available. I would love to play with these at the range
You could probably make your own with a coke can and a pair of scissors. And a lot of bandaids after using it...
Finally! I've been waiting on this for forever. Well not forever, just a couple of years since I saw someone using one of those on a video.
Heard of these but never seen one before. So apparently Safariland did not invent the self-releasing speedloader (the Comp 2, my favorite). What a great design, and solid metal too. Metal speedloaders seem to be making a comeback, mostly in aluminum. Great video as always. Thank you
This is the coolest thing I've seen in a while. Thanks for sharing this.
I love this channel I love learning new things and seeing really cool stuff, also the psuedo gun asmr helps me fall asleep no super loud thing just Ian's soothing voice and the sound of freedom
Better a century ago than today's cumbersome HKS speedloaders.
HKS are a relic of the 1970s; I have no idea why people use them anymore with common revolvers, since there's the Safariland Comp Series.
The only thing one can justify using HKS for are less common revolvers.
I can only find hks speedloaders for my S&W model 27, I assume it’s because no one really uses an n frame 357 anymore but cmon, really? What the hell safariland.
@@manatee5936 That's probably why. Safariland used to make a Comp I for it.
The Safariland Comp 1 and 2 speedloaders are very good products, but lately I get the impression that the company is not doing well. Their webpage looks like something a high school kid did 10 years ago.
@@JS-ob4oh Well at this point the only major Safariland product that comes to mind are their holsters with the ALS.
Revolver popularity is on the decline, and many newer wheelguns use moonclips now anyway. Best collect as many loaders as possible before they mostly disappear imo
Makes me laugh that this one works perfectly despite being quite old, but the 38sp one i use gave up and broke after 6 times and was new!
A British person up to decimalization would just say "10 and 6".
Yes, and if this was a British elocution lesson, that would mean something ;)
I can remember getting a 10 shilling note for my birthday.
10/6d is half a Guinea, or 52½p (about £25 today).
If they still used a ha'penny that is.
You are quite welcome, old chap.
@@tonyoliver2750 10/6 also comes in at half a guinea, so a nice round sum for items conventionally priced in guineas. In the 18th century, a Guinea was a gold coin that circulated alongside the silver shillings with value that varied a little compared to the shilling, but by the late 19th century that coin was a thing of the past, and a guinea was a sum of 21 shillings that was used for some upper class sums of money, for example equipment sold to officers, or hats worn by the upper class.
@@tonyoliver2750 Maybe Sir John had a Webley!?
Thank you. I've been fascinated by the Prideaux since I first learned of it many years ago.
i wish they made them for the lcr now, that looks like it holds everything in place better than what you can currently get.
I love this kind of stuff. Sometimes the accessories of a gun are just as, if not more, interesting than the gun itself.
I really enjoy watching the antique accessories videos as. much as the weapons videos themselves
Short and sweet. Explained well. Job done.
Beautiful Webley a great subject and long time favorite. Had the 38 version
I'm always delighted to see these demonstrated. I wonder how they were carried. I have this sad image of excited young officers buying them from a nice London shop and never making it back to Britain.
That is so fucking slick for a few bits of bent metal.
This needs to be produced for modern revolvers and their associated calibers. The twist type like the HKS loaders have some drawbacks as you have to hold the cylinder to prevent rotation while turning the knob.
The Safariland speed loaders are a push type but their construction quality and security of held rounds has been suspect and they dont actually push the cartridges all the way into the chambers, gravity is basically required to seat them after release.
This design here in the video though, looks like it holds the cartridges very securely but also you can see how the base of the loader fully pushes the cartridge all the way into the chambers. Its fast, positive, and secure. I would buy one for my 44 special/44 magnum in a heartbeat if such a thing existed on the market.
“It’s elementary my dear Watson”... love your videos
I always found those curious, thanks for the vid!
Thank you , Ian .
Sort of like the six second speed loaders we used to be issued with our Model 19 Smith and Wesson .357 mag pistols when I joined the PD. Well not back then, first issue was loops on the belt, then dump boxes, followed by the six second loaders which were wonderful compared to their predecessors . This back in 1973. Of course the six seconds required turning the knob on top of the loader to release the rounds.
I was just now looking to see if you had a video on these
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Cost the Webley /Watson at 10/- 10shillings ,or half a Pound Sterling (20shillings ) The Prideaux at 4/6 less than a quarter. Average Weekly wage 17/- , 17 Shillings at the time It was the Army & Navy Stores, they were in addition to physical shop, a mail order for the Empire. Personal, I'd go Prideaux, that is a neat bit of kit.
a real slick piece of simple engineering.
Truly fascinating, what's old is new again
Very interesting. Anyone know how they were carried - i.e. any purpose built webbing etc
Presumably just in pockets and free pouches, since its a side arm I doubt they had much specific web gear for their speed loaders.
Note the split ring on the back so perhaps stored attached to a lanyard sown into a field dress pocket?
Apparently there was a twin speed loader pouch that attached to the Sam Browne belt as well as another round single pouch.
@@cryhavoc999 During the Great War, since the loaders were private purchase, so were the pouches. I've seen in-person a leather pouch for a Prideaux loader made to go on a Sam Browne belt.
Here's an example of one of these pouches: gwfattachments.s3.amazonaws.com/monthly_2019_09/678840580_Prideaux455loaderwithcase.JPG.2f3100510d1401209ce3ae89a3fe47dc.JPG
Speed shooter Lord Jeremy Miculek Smyth approves this public information film.
Slick and work like a charm. Nice.
this seams like a really fun project to make a modern one
Watching this video and the slow to reload comments and I waswatching some Jerry Miculek fast shooting videos, granted all of his equipment is specially made for him. But still impressive to watch.
First time seeing this, and having seen the contemporary competition, ... what were they thinking, this is so much better. You've full support of the cartridge, it's light, ... funny how things go in the favor of the least best option some times.
Check out the spring loaded Comp IIIs. They literally launch the cartridges into the cylinder and are nice and tall to get a good grip.
That works slick. Way easier looking than any new ones.
3:06 Ohhh. That's nice. Beautiful.
This was not the first production speed loader. The Colt "cartridge pack" or "loading pack" dates to 1889 for Colts new Navy revolver, and was bought by the Navy in at least some quantity, and was also available commercially.
That is really neat! It shouldn't be surprising that people were really interested in fast reloads way back when, either.
Is there a shooting video in the offing? I'd like to see it actually being used in a course of fire.
Not gonna happen, but imagining using this in a match...
"Webley Fosbery. Don't make em anymore."
These Fosbery's taste like fosberries!
CANDYBARS!!!!
Now that is indeed a slick speedloader.
Since the last one of these I saw was about $550.00, a casual collector really can't afford them. But one of the modern speed loaders for the newer revolvers chambered in .410 work just fine at the range in my MK 6, That being said, I still want one.
'Jim Prideaux' super spy in the circus! Nice bit of kit.
Workname Ellis
Othais and Mae missed out by just 3 months! They needed one for their "Small Arms of WWI Primer 136: British Webley Fosbery" Feb16th 2021
Cool piece for sure
Nice bit of kit
Why is this not more popular today. This injection-style of speed loader seems much more efficient than twist style.
I always wondered how these worked, Great vidie
Lego designers dream of you treading on one of these some dark & barefoot night . . .
That is pretty slick.
wow, even the HKS vs Safariland debate has been done before...
Push style speedloaders are so much better. I have both styles for my GP100 and I'm at least one second faster with the push style Safarilands than I am with the rotary style.
Cool to see the idea has been around a long while.
That's pretty slick.
Crazy! Damned if my grandad didn't have one of these on a shelf of his workbench! It might have been his father's, because we have great grandad's Mk II. I thought it was some sort cleaning aide.
Apparently, Prideaux vs. Watson speed loaders were the late 19th century version of Safariland (push in) vs. HKS (rotary knob.)
Very informative
Oh my wow. That thing looks way easier to use, slicker and easier to carry and get into action than any speed loader on the market today.
Comp III Safariland are faster. They are spring loaded, so when they make contact with the extractor star the cartridges are launched into the cylinder. That way the loader doesn't rely on gravity to allow the cartridges to slide in.
They are taller, however.
I've found for me, the rotary speed loaders are faster but harder to carry where as the speed strips are slower but easier to carry.
I think I was in one of the last classes to go through police academy with revolvers and speedloaders. Didn't realize they went back that far.
and silly me thinking the Koch? Sky Marshall had come up with something new!!!
Wish they made one like that these days for modern revolvers. A simple metal stamping, better than the modern plastic stuff.
Metal stamping is becoming something of a lost art in manufacturing, a big problem is companies nowadays dont want to spend the money on taking care of the press dies.
Plastic holds up better against impact and is lightweight. I can drop my Safariland hundreds of times on concrete and it won't damage it, since the mechanism is almost entirely enclosed. Drop a Prideaux on concrete a few times and it will soon bend the fingers.
Greetings from Germany, love your videos!
3:08 "Ooooh Ian! Do it again!"
I owned a webley Fosbery with 3 of them, just recently sold the lot on Gunbroker
3:06 To reload.
Never have I been this early in a Forgotten Weapons video lol
Usually it’s from years ago lol
Reminds me of the speed loader for Hellboy’s Good Samaritan Pistol.
Very cool!
Wow, that's amazing.
2 MILLION SOON
Moon clips are honestly my favorite
That is slick!
Looks like it works a lot faster than the twisty-turny modern ones I have for my 357. The rounds aren't aligned as well on my modern one like they are on this loader.
Wow! Impressive!
I am wondering if the spacing is such that they would work in a Colt 1909, 1917 or similar revolver as well..