LOMOGRAPHY LADY GREY 400 - TESTING FILM SPEED

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  • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
    @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is my first attempt at testing this particular films speed best suited for my development process and I'm literally scratching the surface. If you're experienced at this I'd appreciate any advice in the comments section for myself and others to read. Thanks guys!

  • @markivkovic7235
    @markivkovic7235 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    “I’m trying to find zone 1...... I know nothing about the zone system but I know what black looks like and I know what almost black looks like.” Legend! I think you found your inner Lomography simply with that statement.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ha Ha. Sometimes keeping it simple is best way to learn and move on 😂

  • @Erumesson
    @Erumesson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yes, it should be Fomapan 400. I've tried it in 120 format only and with Rodinal, its speed wasn't more than 250. It gave beautiful tonality, though pretty grainy. But if I can recommend you - try the Fomapan 100. I use it for 35mm, expose it at E.I. 80 (to give shadows little bit more light) and develop it in Rodinal (1+50, 9:45, 20C) and it gives really beautiful tonality, pretty fine grain (for 8x10 enlargements) and it's really sharp. I've never met QC issues, but maybe I was lucky so far :)

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd say Rodinol is a hard developer for that film which will give more grain. I like Rodinol! Thanks for the tips!

  • @thevalleyofdisappointment
    @thevalleyofdisappointment 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this process is a lot simpler with a camera that can change shutter speeds in 1/3 stops. My Canon eos 30 has had stops for both shutter and aperture so I think can only find SO in half stop increments then estimate up or down!

  • @totalrecone
    @totalrecone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fomapan 400 I believe. My experiences with the Foma 400 are to meter at 250 and bash away. I rarely got bad exposures but the emulsion can be a be sensitive to abrasions. I really like the Foma and shoot a ton of it, but occasionally they do have QC issues like a recent batch of the 200 which was really 100. A case of incorrect packaging.
    As per the soft emulsion, I recommend using a photoflo or similar and to NOT use any squeegie, or even wet fingers, to clear the negatives of excess water. Just use photoflo, or as I do, Adox Adoflo and let the neg drip dry. No water marks or scratches.
    BTW, GREAT to see a photography channel not made by a hipster with a TLR.

    • @ahmedal-saeed9374
      @ahmedal-saeed9374 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ooh really i will set my metering to 250 for the rest of my roll and see what can i get

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Rev! Yes I did notice how soft the emulsion is as I had a hairline scratch on one of the negs pretty much as soon as it dried! Thanks for your comment.

    • @totalrecone
      @totalrecone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Film Wasteland Same here FW. My Yashi 635 does me proud on many occasions, but it's my bet we are both far more handsome / beautiful than any fungus faced hipster with their TLR.

  • @lichipong
    @lichipong 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good technique!
    Love how you determine the actual film speed
    I think I am gonna start to use this method before I get some serious shots for new films.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Li, do read the info on found from Tom Halfill, link in the description. It's far more detailed.

  • @pritush
    @pritush 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ohhh that was really really interesting and educational. I really want you if possible to do this also with Adox CMS 20 I can’t find nothing on line .. cheers

  • @stephendeakin2714
    @stephendeakin2714 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The negs look over developed just a touch, how about keeping 250 speed and cut back dev time to (at a guess) nine minutes. That should leave the shadow details in camera where they are and retain highlight detail in the cap and chrome. Always enjoy seeing your videos. Cheers

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point Stephen. I did go 30 seconds over the suggested time. Thanks for that!

  • @joesasser4421
    @joesasser4421 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The US supplier of this film, swears it is an older Ilford iteration 400 ISO film. Basically sold as a cheap student film over here. Fomapan has a definitive look to it, and I just don’t see it here.

  • @andrewfrost8866
    @andrewfrost8866 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! That’s really interesting (as are all your videos). I love the logical approach.

  • @joesasser4421
    @joesasser4421 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When shooting in Nikon or Contax, I usually rate the film at 1/2 speed, to open the shadows and give more detail. Photographers have been doing it for decades, know I have. Only when shooting in my Rolleis, I don’t take into consideration the film speed at all. I focus, and set the aperture/shutter for what I want the camera to do, an it usually does. At least 90% of the time.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So your nikon and contax has a built in light meter and you dial in half the speed. And over expose the film by a stop? And your rollei has no internal meter?

    • @joesasser4421
      @joesasser4421 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Correct, and my Mamiya has the metered prism, and I usually overexpose for a stop with it as well. None of my Rolleis have internal meters, no such thing back then, However. my '51 & ’53 Rollei TLRs have selenium meters, but are non functioning. But I probably wouldnt use one anyway, My N90s and F5 each have marvelous meters, so I’ll use them, Contax G1 has a very good meter, but I do usually rate all film speeds at half. It also helps control the grain,

  • @35mmlove_eric
    @35mmlove_eric 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you should also do the second part of the test where he extends the development times until he gets just off-white for the +3 exposure

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Eric. I will yet to play more with these tests. It's a good start for me though.

  • @GazFoto
    @GazFoto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi just watched this very interesting.. I'm reading that you should generally rate all films at 1/2 box speed and reduce development by 15%. It would look like that if you had reduced your development time you would have got a near perfect negative, would you agree?

  • @josephbergel5234
    @josephbergel5234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your negative Steve page noise almost made me quit watching .... but since I sold all my 40 rolls of lady grey, I’ve kept watching to see what I’ve been missing .....
    lomography = marketing ploy for a brand of film ...for those who do not know about the history of photography or “gestural” photography....
    None the less , thanks for all you do

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Negative Steve page noise? What's that?

    • @phillnavin1212
      @phillnavin1212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shoot Film Like a Boss He’s talking about the crunchy noise your negative sleeve made when you moved/touched it

  • @harrystevens3885
    @harrystevens3885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am sure that dog featured at the start had been drinking rodinal, anyway I often shoot HP5 at 250 the speed seems to suit most 400 speed films, you experiment was a very interesting watch and must have involved a lot of work ......Great channel.

  • @markharris5771
    @markharris5771 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another fascinating video and it shows you should believe everything you read, including box speed for film.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Mark. It's pretty much the first time I tried this and saw a result. Not much info online about it. Hopefully this video will help a bit of anyone looking finds it. And with the comments I too can find a more concrete way to test.

  • @andytheghosthunter
    @andytheghosthunter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice Job! Very interesting seeing the results and this may be why I was having trouble with this film unless I got the settings wrong on the camera. I recently tested the camera with different film and those images came out OK. Hopefully by Spring I will have my own darkroom all because of your interesting vlogs so THANK YOU! Keep it up and enjoy Lady Grey Roll 2!

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Andy! Love k forward to seeing your DR on Instagram!

  • @MsLoribee
    @MsLoribee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was pretty cool. I’ve had some great results using lomography film. I took some pictures of driftwood on Aptos Beach during the summer with the lady gray and they came out really detailed and contrast-y. I’ve also run a roll of their color 100 film through a camera and I loved how vibrant the colors came out.

  • @IainHC1
    @IainHC1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Verrrrrry innnnterrrressstiiiing Mrrr Bonnnnnd!!!........ Cool experiment. So, do I understand that this experiment is for One camera One developer and One type of paper? If you choose to use a different camera or developer or paper....Then you do the experiment again?
    By the way...... That was a MAD dog!!!

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. I'm trying to find the best speed rating for that film for my development process. I still need to fine tune it but it's a step in the right direction. Once I am happy then when I use Foma 400 I'll use the same developer, temp and time. I will read even different tap water can change the results! I used a electronic shutter (Nikon F90x) so I don't think another camera similar would make a different as this shutters are spot on. But a mechanical camera such as the Pentax Spotmatic may not be as accurate so if I used the Spotmatic I'd stick with that camera.

    • @IainHC1
      @IainHC1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shoot Film Like a Boss so.... you would do the experiment again to learn what it takes for that camera to shoot what you want with that film using all the same parameters?

    • @IainHC1
      @IainHC1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shoot Film Like a Boss EI?

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IainHC1 Exposure Index (400, 250, etc)

  • @mamiyapress
    @mamiyapress 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The late Barry Thornton advises halving the box speed and developing in Perceptol 1+2. Incidentally Lady Grey used to be re-spooled Kodak T-Max 400, noticeably because of the pink dye on the anti-halation layer.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did read that it used to be Kodak Tmax400. Interesting about the Perception! Noted. Thanks!

    • @mamiyapress
      @mamiyapress 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Perceptol.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mamiyapress Ha, predictive text!!

  • @Socrates...
    @Socrates... 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is such a useful video, I will try this with film. Thanks

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Socrates. Check out the link also, you may work it out better or different than I did.

  • @ARSAnalog
    @ARSAnalog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok crap, you F90x‘ eye piece is missing! Lost mine somewhere and in Italy, took me ages to find another. I know your struggle ☺️

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did find one on eBay. The screw ring. But I can do without it 😀

    • @ARSAnalog
      @ARSAnalog 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shoot Film Like a Boss rly? It bothered me a lot! 😅

  • @malcsayer7133
    @malcsayer7133 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Found it interesting although puddled my simple brain at first, but then I got it.

  • @filmlovephotography
    @filmlovephotography 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Roger, as always great video content. One of the best channels for learning darkroom. I've never used Foma, I'm more hp5, but in one of Nicolas's videos, that is also an excellent channel, he said that he uses Foma at 250asa or 320asa, but then he develop as 400asa. Keep the good work, darkroom teacher. 👍🙏

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Pedro. The massive Dev chart shows for Foma 400 at 400 is 9.5 mins. I devved it for 10 and rated at 250 so pretty similar to what Nicholas says. What's his channel?

    • @filmlovephotography
      @filmlovephotography 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Nicolas Llasera is the name of Nicos photography show. The channel you talk in the start.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@filmlovephotography Ha Ha, of course, Nicos. 😀

  • @tapiopitkaranta7667
    @tapiopitkaranta7667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is basically how I do it as well. After you have figured out the speed, you can then check if your developing time is correct. You can use the zone 8 exposure and see how it compares to pure white (unexposed paper). If it goes blank, you should shorten the developing time and vice versa.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Tapio. I didn't get to check the whites. Would you say you should test both ends of the scale?

    • @tapiopitkaranta7667
      @tapiopitkaranta7667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Exposure, or the way you rate the film affects your shadows. But developing time affects mostly your highlights. If you rate the film lower, as you did, giving it more exposure, you might then blow out the highlights if you use the same developing time.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tapiopitkaranta7667 Yes, I think I developed a tad too long here at 19 minutes as Stephen suggested in my comments. Which blew the cap out. It's great to get so many comments with hands of advice. Thanks Tapio!

  • @ahmedal-saeed9374
    @ahmedal-saeed9374 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for sharing that it is really good way to test many different type of films using same method .

  • @krzysztofnowaczyk541
    @krzysztofnowaczyk541 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job! Can't wait to see comparison between HP5 and pan400.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You think I should do a comparison between those two films as my next video? I have both here.

    • @krzysztofnowaczyk541
      @krzysztofnowaczyk541 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Yes, it would be interesting. My theory is that Ilford pan400 is based on hp4 emulsion or hp5 that didn't pass quality control, but I've never been determined enough to do the test.

  • @jonjanson8021
    @jonjanson8021 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another cracking video. Cheers!

  • @chrisreich40
    @chrisreich40 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I keep things simple by adjusting all my cameras to always give ⅔ stop more exposure than the DX-coded box speed (I only shoot negative film). I'm always finding satisfactory results. I predicted you'd settle on EI 250 for this 400 ISO film. My take on this is that box speed is apparently a laboratory measurement that is not reflecting real-world conditions. If densitometric measurements were to prove my practice inaccurate, I figure I cannot be off by very much. After all, I only have ⅓ stop increments to work with. Exposure latitude then works in my favor. Mine is not necessarily the *best* practice, but frankly I'm disinclined to go through the work some will, and I'm pleased by my results. One more thing, for my cameras with built-in flash, I use them for fill-flash but adjust for one stop under. I get lovely snapshots of the grandkids that way.

  • @richardstollar4291
    @richardstollar4291 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very interesting - but if you rate the film differently to the box speed, what happens to the contrast and grain?

  • @irishmanlost
    @irishmanlost 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant vid, just got some lady grey and shot a roll at box, going to try next roll at 250 . Getting into film again and lovin the channel. thx

  • @epstar83
    @epstar83 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool test! I have never done such a test, but from my understanding the shadows develop first and then the highlights. Given that the blacks look best when metered at 250, I wonder if the highlights can be better controlled by reducing the development time in the XTOL and maybe save you the need for burning in the highlights during printing?

  • @Fnzzy
    @Fnzzy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting. Learned something new today! Thanks.

  • @JasonRenoux
    @JasonRenoux 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You know what they say: ‘Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.’ very educational indeed ;)

  • @fotosaurier35
    @fotosaurier35 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your down to earth style explaining things; just great !

  • @giannidigirolamo8868
    @giannidigirolamo8868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey roger! Good video as always. I also run a similar test but I “waste” more films because I also test developing time and I find the N,N+ and N- but basically the same speed sensitivity procure for the sensitivity test is the same. Great thanks

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Gianni. How did you learn to make these tests?

    • @giannidigirolamo8868
      @giannidigirolamo8868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually there are several ways to do that: I did a course on sensitometry and I learned the theoretical part beyond everything, then I've read Ansel Adams' books. He describes his procedure to test. It is also well explained in the books: "Way beyond monochrome" and "The practical zone system". I mixed everything and developed a testing procedure that works nice for me (even if I have to waste 3-4 rolls) and it allows me to check how the film behaves close to the shoulder and to the foot of the Curve. No need of densitometer. It is a calibration of my photography chain from the light meter to the print. @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

    • @giannidigirolamo8868
      @giannidigirolamo8868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss The sensitivity test is basically the same. But as I have to "waste" a full roll, I shoot from -4 to 0 at different sensitivity and I print them so I can see the separation in the shadows. Some films (like pancro400) have a looooong foot so if you want a good shadow separation you need to set a sensitivity higher than the real one.

    • @giannidigirolamo8868
      @giannidigirolamo8868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss For the development It's more tricky ahahah indeed I shoot from a sequence from -5 to +5 at the sensitivity that I find more suitable for my uses (3 sequence for 2 rolls) and I develop each strip separately and I print the results. In this case I can test 6 different developing times...you can use 3 rolls and test 9 developing times...etc. In this way I can see how development time affect my film and I can estimate the N-1 and N+1 in order to use them in scenes of lower contrast and higher contrast.

    • @giannidigirolamo8868
      @giannidigirolamo8868 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I know it's a very long procedure, it takes one day of testing but...after that I know everything about the film. Same procedure if you want to test the pushing times.
      Of course all changes a little if you change the paper, but in that case you take your test negatives, print a new serie and done.

  • @BlackHawk2029
    @BlackHawk2029 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First comment! Been wondering about lady grey. Excited to see you shoot it.

  • @beaupfeifferrecordings
    @beaupfeifferrecordings 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting watch rodger Ive never tried that type of film before good experiment tho I must say 400 asa is the best film to do that Ive heard

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My usual film at 400 is Tri-x or HP5. Cheers Beau!

  • @thomkkl02
    @thomkkl02 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video, informative !

  • @davidlewis1787
    @davidlewis1787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant, just bought 5 rolls foma 400 so this was an unexpected bonus! Thanks for putting the effort in 😀

  • @peoriavideosltd6822
    @peoriavideosltd6822 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice to know its just Fomapan 400 in a different box. The Foma films are very attractively priced! No need to buy from Lomography if they're just adding a markup (close to double).

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it's attractively boxed for the Lomography movement which is good if it gets people into shooting film.

  • @acidsnow5915
    @acidsnow5915 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lomography really create some interesting film stock, still have to get around to shooting alot of them!
    what an insightful video! i just love film photography!
    really enjoyed watching this!
    thanks for sharing this amazing content with us

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Acid!

    • @gman922
      @gman922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I shot a roll of LOMO Purple 100-400 at 400 last week and was very disappointed with it $15 a roll. I get the same results with my D700 and screw around with the photos on my MAC.

  • @cosminovidiumunteanu
    @cosminovidiumunteanu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not my favourite film (foma400). Same can I say about RPX400 :/

    • @totalrecone
      @totalrecone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As an affordable film, Foma isn't all that bad. Their best film I have found is their 200 which, apparently, a T-Grain / cubic hybrid. It is worth a try.

    • @borderlands6606
      @borderlands6606 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@totalrecone That's interesting because other commentators suggest Foma 200 gives the least attractive results in the range. I've used Foma 100 extensively (and Foma 400 so long ago I can't remember anything about it), and found the 100 ISO pushes better than any slow-medium film I've used. The box says it will push 2 stops, which I thought was a bit ambitious, but it's very usable at 400 ISO. I even pushed in 3 stops to 800 ISO, and the results were useable even though grain and contrast were noticeably higher. All in Rodinal.

    • @ShootFilmLikeaBoss
      @ShootFilmLikeaBoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@borderlands6606 Wouldn't Rodinol be a bit harsh for Foma Film? I've never tried Foma with Rodinol

    • @totalrecone
      @totalrecone 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@borderlands6606 I do a lot of industrial archaeology type shooting and I find the 200 a really suitable film for that style, particularly with a deep red filter over the lens. I have limited portrait photographic experience so I can't comment on how the 200 looks in that scenario but I have heard the 100 is very well suited to this. I always have a stash of all Foma speeds except the 320 which is a strange beast, and from what I have read, does not play nicely in my dev of choice Rodinal.
      I will definitely give pushing the 100 a try after reading of your experiences and see what happens. Might even try 1600 just for fun. Push the Boundaries!

    • @borderlands6606
      @borderlands6606 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShootFilmLikeaBoss For Foma 100 Rodinal is excellent. It's an acutance developer which emphasis edge sharpness, which means grain is quite pronounced. Some people use Rodinal with 400 ISO films, but you have to love grain and I find it too much. Rodinal is basically a slow/medium speed developer used in high dilutions from 1:25 to 1:200.