Guys thanks for the comments. I totally forgot about Master / Slave jumpers. Well that sorted it out. Having the 40 GB 2.5" drive set to Master and the 80 GB Seagate 3.5" set to Slave, and they work fine. I also plugged in a SATA drive and that also works! So yes, you can use three devices simultaneously :) Thanks for pointing it out!
Just want to point out you couldn't boot off that XP CD because that laptop you're using there looks like it's an EFI machine not a BIOS machine. XP only supports BIOS so that's why it didn't show up.
Also, if your laptop using separate (non-chipset) USB 3.0, it will not boot. Try 2.0 port on that HP. And you can go straight to F9 to get to boot menu, without ESC. You need to enable "legacy boot" or similar option to avoid what Todd mentioned.
It's more convenient to set all IDE drives' jumpers to cable select (CS) mode and forget about it, instead of checking/remembering which is what with master/slave. PS. Great video, love the channel! :)
Colleague at work was surprised I knew about jumpers on IDE drives despite being 27 years old. Made me feel old, or at least made me think I used IDE drives for way longer than anyone else i guess.
It looked to me more like it didn't see the drive. If it had been a Windows 10 boot disc, it wouldn't have seen that either, I bet. There may still have been a UEFI issue, but related to the hardware, and not the disc in the drive. Might even have been a Secure Boot issue; if there were an option in the UEFI to turn that off, or switch over to a BIOS mode, that might have worked.
Great review. Love the transparency. You connect the drives and show the seek times with no editing. I wish more youtubers would use this work process. No gimmicks, just real world testing. kudos
I purchased one very similar to this back in 2009, but went by the name of "i connect" and connects via usb2.0, it has a laptop type power supply adapter with outputs of 12v and 5v @ 2000ma each for power using a 4pin molex power connector. It definately came in handy for the computer repair buisness i was doing from home, especially when checking HDD/SDD for viruses. malware, etc externally, saving all types of files for backup purposes, deletion and partitioning of drives.
Having used these USB drive bricks for several years, I can tell you that they are very handy but you will be replacing it once in awhile if you use it heavily. Sata connector tends to wear out and the drive will stop getting adequate power and will do sort of a strange buzzing/clicking thing. When that happens, just have to fiddle with it. It can also lose connection in the middle of doing something also, drive will no longer be detected and will require fiddling with it again, supporting the brick or the drive in such a way as to put pressure on the connector for a better fit.
WaybackTECH hey i connect my hard drive the usual way (through psu and mobo) but the sata power connector(from psu) wears out after 2-3 months and hard drive starts to make clicking sounds like u said.. So do u actually know the reason why do they wear out?? Thanks in advance
@@Talha80777 The gold on the "pipelines" on the sata connectors simply wear out from vibration of the drive. They build the connectors using off the shelf parts rated for heavy stationary use where vibrations don't impede life expectancy of components. The ICYBOX docking stations (that costs a lot) don't have this problem because they're built to be heavy and has a damping system to avoid exactly this. But the Icybox'es don't have IDE... So there's that. The best way to run these lighter adapters is if you can somehow bolt or fasten it down to something, like a harddrive rack out of a scrapped pc/server, which you then bolt onto a piece of plywood or something, it should keep everything still and significantly reduce wear.
This is the oldest, yet most instructive video I have seen on this topic recently. I have an older, unbranded converter that still works as well as when purchased. Your tips on using the device without power, and using a US to Aus power converter were worth the price of admission... Thank you. Not sure how to set Master/Slave jumpers. PS, I usually only have 1 or 2 drives attached and copy data to my C: and D: drives.
afaik it's not that 3.5inch drives just use more power, but they require a 12v line to power the drive motor. Even if you could draw the necessary amps from 5v it'd be unfeasible to transform it into 12v.
need to check the power requirments of the 2.5inch drives being used, make sure they are within the USB3's power delivery capabilities, also have to look at the max data transfer speed from the buffer to the disk surface :) nice video of a nice product, now i want one, but i have plenty of adaptors n gizmos already :( lol
Fun-Fact about this Converters: Put an CD-Rom Drive with Headphonejack, Volumecontrol and Play/Pause-Button on it, insert an Music-CD from the 90s, connect speaker or headphone and listen to music like back in the days.
I have this external SCSI Enclosure, that has an internal PSU and even got RCA Connectors on the back. And i had that running for a while, just put an IDE CD-ROM in it that had this play (and even a skip/FF) button on it. Connected to my Amplifier and worked perfectly as a CD Player.
I found an old IDE Drive and was wondering what to find on that drive (pictures / Music etc) and I bought this adapter. Cant wait to use it. Using an 5 years old drive for the first time, not knowing what to find is like a treasure hunt :D Thanks for the review!
same here, just that i am trying to hook up some drives i haven't used since 28 - 30 years. but i assume they won't work because of using PIO instead of UDMA protocol.. i'll see soon..
that's a really nice review, all the info that i wanted...probably the best one on youtube regarding this adapter...finally someone who know what he's doing..and properly speak english..
You should do a update video in this and set one of the ide drive as master and the other one as slave i have the same one and it works for me i can see all three hard drives.
Thank you very much Phils. Good job. I am really feed up of videos, where people feel like tv starts and talk and talk too much about the product but don't show anything. Regarding the speed test. It seems that the USB bus is not saturated at about 40MB/s because the first test with and SSD yielded a 106 MB/s and this is a normal speed for hdd also. The only thing I can think of is that you made the test without power for the two 2,5" HDD. But anyway it is strange
I got one of this exact model to extract some data from old disks I had and to use with a Blu-Ray drives. It works quite well, I also test the speed with an SATA3 SSD and It also tops out ~110 MBytes/Sec I suspect its because the bridge chip's compatibility layer to the IDE/PATA drives which tops out at around 133 MBytes/Sec so it will only run at SATA1 (150 MBytes/Sec) But its still very useful little tool.
Please can you help me, I have two hard drives which have come out of a old PC which is now not working on these drives are files that I would like to recover mostly JPGs, when my PC failed I purchased a reconditioned desktop Mac, I want to know if I purchased a UGREEN SATA III to USB 3.0 Adapter 2.5/3.5 HDD would it recover the files from my Drives to my Mac via the USB connection. Great video very informative. Thank you.
With a new hard disk partitiom, I recommend a slow format. I did a quick on a new hard disk and the hard drive was slow at reading and writing. I reformatted, put my data back on and my speed went up crazy. The 500Mbps limit is likely a combination of read and write combined. USB2.0 is 60MBps and includes write and read. You'll get close but never the full speed.
What about IDE HDDs from the early 90ies using the PIO instead of UDMA mode? Will this adapter work with PIO Drives? Would love to get my old 80 - 450 MB drives working again.
Man, why didn't I think of that! I just tried it, and it's all working, 2 IDE drives as well as 2 IDE + 1 SATA drives. I'll update the description and pin the post!
probably the HP and IDE cd-rom didnt show up because the HP laptop probably was in UEFI mode. i have a HP Workstation similar to that and you have to enable non-UEFI mode to see those devices on boot.
I have the following drives: - 2007 SATA 80GB 3.5" throughput 60MB/s, - 2007 IDE 320MB 3.5" throughput 65MB/s - 2009? IDE 250MB 3.5" throughput 80MB/s. - 2007 SATA 160GB 2.5" throughput 40MB/s, both on SATA-2 and USB 3.0. - 2009 SATA 320GB 2.5" throughput 80MB/s, both on SATA-2 and USB 3.0. I think your HDD measurements are correct and probably more or less consistent with the production year of the drive. My measurements are done in the PC itself, a Pentium 4 HT at 3.0GHz for IDE and a Phenom II X4 B97 at 3.2GHz for SATA. In the time I still had an SSD, that one would run at 290MB/s at my USB 3.0 connection, in the PC it would run considerably faster more than 400MB/s. So I noticed also a relative large drop in throughput using USB 3.0 for the SSD. I used that 40MB/s, 160GB HDD in my new Dell Inspiron 1521 laptop with Vista. I blamed it all on Vista, can you imagine, how much I hated Vista in mid 2008. After the two service packs and after introducing the 80MB/s, 320GB HDD, it became workable again. But it has been the main reason, that I switched from Windows to Ubuntu. I had a comparable experience, replacing the 60MB/s, 80GB HDD from my ex-lease HP dc5850 by a 135MB/s, 500GB HDD.
It's a shame it doesn't support multiple sata drives, since I don't really have ide drives. Do you know of any similar adapter for multiple sata? Excellent video btw, honest and very thorough, would have been interesting to check speed transfer in between drives.
I know that a sata ssd is believed to unaccessible, but you can access it to format, erase and partitioned it by accessing the sata ssd with data-only cable. If you comnect it with sata's 7 pins for data-only, a program is running to repair itself. If you connect it with all these pins, your data-only cable isn't connected only, but the other pins are connected to thr currency or power. A lot of the sata-to-usb adapters are adapters with currency/power. Did you also make a video how to connect a sata ssd by such this type or something similar to only access the 7 pins for data or data cable, because the other non-7 pins are 15 pins and much more for currency/power?
Nice summary video on this device. I'm curious if you may have tested recording any discs through this? I'm just concerned on its stability when connected to USB. Did you ever have it drop and reset connection, like many USB drive connectors tend to do randomly?
Got the adaptor, plugged in my old laptop 2.5 IDE, listen to it spin up, but unfortunately it does not appear on my laptop! went into settings and found the info on it, it says it didn't migrate! (no idea what that means!) any ideas what i can do to access this drive would be very welcomed/
Just a note: If you need someting very similar but a lot cheaper have a look on ebay. Chinese sellers are selling SATA /IDE to USB 2.0 adapters. The Price is about 2 USD shipped. Obviously you need a PSU to use a HDD. Speed: 40MB/s Read and Write.
you can expect 25-30MB/s in real world applications. I have one of those and I never got more than 28MB regardless of drive attached. The USB protocol overhead is a wee bit excessive. BTW, 10 around 10 bucks gets you a usb 3 version which would be a better choice.
Phil, hookup an external 4pin molex to the 3.5in ide drive, (not using the adapter power to power it) then hookup the 2.5 ide drive using adapter power and then you should see both ide drives
Oh ok, well usually slight clicking is indication of not enough power. I just had this happen today with a 3.0 Seagate expansion 2.5 drive, the front USB port on a DELL server just did not provide enough power for 1 simple drive.. it was slightly clicking with a short spin up , had to use the back usb port to keep the drive running.
The reason you couldn't boot off the disc on the first laptop is probably because it's UEFI based and the XP disc doesn't support UEFI. Booting a newer setup disc such as the Windows 8 or 10 ones could help verify that as those do support UEFI. Windows 7 setup does also support booting on a UEFI machine, but it doesn't support Secure Boot (to my knowledge), and you have to move some files around to make it work.
Wonder if theres any usb3.0 interfaces for windows98, doubt there would be any drivers for usb3 on 98 but a hardware driven usb3 interface would be a great idea, i remember the old IDE drives maxing out at about 60MB/s
Nice review, Phil. Thanks. I was looking for a device like that, but didn't buy anything yet, because I was not sure if they were any good. You answered all my questions.
Thank you Phil for a great review. Personally I am strongly against buying from banggood. I have only horrible experience. In short as a Chinese service, buyer doesn’t have any rights. Soo good luck if somethings goes wrong and you have to sorted out faulty goods in first year.
Hi there, did you test it using HDTUNE software to read SMART drive status? As I said before, I have the same adapter and it is shutting down my connected HDD OR SSD when trying to use HDTUNE with this UGREEN adapter.
so the conclusion is only SATA HARDRIVE and Cd/dvd room that use power adapter, other's (laptop harddrive, ide drive, ssd drive ) doesn't need power adapter, is that correct sir?
im thinking about buying one of these converters for old data too. once connected can i access the data or will it only recognize the drive after formatting? i dont plan on using the drive, rather just connect it for a minute to copy mere megabytes but your laptop says it needs to format before it can use the drive which would make the whole procedure pointless for me. its a working samsung 400 gb ide drive from like 05 or 06 which i only discarded because i switched to sata drives from then on
Hey Phil, did you maybe test off camera, some old like 1gb or less hdd on this? I am really interested in it for imaging old hdds with one of a kubd software on them, before they go bad...
Dont worry, in the meantime I did some reading and those adapters are suitable only for larger (LBA) hard disks... CHS is not supported. So I guess the best option for backing up and imaging old hdd is still networking... Still can get quite quirky when going from win3.11 to win xp and similar combinations 😅
Now, as I see the results I wonder what chips they used in this item. It would be ver interesting if you could open it up. It might be that they are actually using two separate chips. One for IDE and another one for Sata. Or they have integrated an older chip design into one dye.
I have something similar but generic. It works with an IDE CD drive I have. On any of those kind of drives you may need a jumper on master. It would not show up at all in Windows unless I place a jumper on it. Serial ATA is much better, no master and slave jumpers. If you do have a SATA drive that has jumpers on it, they are most likely NOT master and slave because that is irrelevant to SATA. I am just not sure that the adapter I have works with more than one device at a time. I will just play it safe and assume one at a time so as not to overload it.
Just for reference sake, most decent spinning platter drives max at around 75MB/s sustained (if the interface will permit). With USB and converter overhead 40-50 seems pretty good, actually.
H I Phil, after waching you video Ugreen adapter, I liked what I saw great video , so I ordered a week ago and it arrived Yesterday I am in the UK, long story short is, My HDD drive is the SAMSUNG HD103JS ,sadly I CANT OBTAIN THE DRIVERS ,BEEN ON TO Samsung Support site no joy , but thanks for your Product Recomondation seems Great. Geoffers
I was fortunate to get a Videologic Apocalypse 3Dx (PowerVR PCX2) at eBay for a fairly low price last year. I was amazed at the 1024 X 768 resolution in the original Tomb Raider though. I don't know why the early PowerVR cards are so expensive though the prices are outrageous
Pretty late to the party but what's that power cable called exactly at 5:38? I lost mine unfortunately and I need to order a new one. When I google '4pin IDE power' I only get 4pin to SATA cables shown.
Mine was working fine until I attached it to one particular HD. At that point it whirled up, then turned off. After that, it did the same with every HD.
I hate this thing. It came highly-reconmended for Plextor drives by ReDump project and was on sale for Prime day so I pulled the trigger. When connecting it to one of my Plextor drives the fan came on as soon as I connected power... while the power switch was turned off and the unit itself was disconnected. Plugging in live power is not good. I correctly guessed that the switch was only switching USB and 5V but I still thought 5v was being generated internally off of the 12v adapter. I was wrong. I realized I had no 5v after trying three optical drives with the only sign of life being that fan on that one drive (most drives would not have a fan). No lights or electronics = no 5v, which confirmed using a multimeter. I realized that it didn't quite fit the IDE port on all my drives because they stupidly did not protrude the port far enough, provide flexibility, or allow you to use an IDE cable. After connecting it to my USB port I verified that I now had 5v for connected drives but I still had no way to turn on 5v and 12v at the same time. This may have damaged one of my Plextor drives (the one with the fan) since I can only get the drive access light when powered with both 12v and 5v. FWIW, the fan is not supposed to come on when you power up and only does so when you connect 12v without 5v. As soon as you flip on the adapter and the drive gets 5v, the access light comes on and the fan goes off but I get no response from the tray and the PC cannot see the drive. It seems to work with my other drives including a Benq rebranded as a Plextor though, but a single USB port cannot provide enough 5v power for reliable operations. STUPID!
Hi Phil , Thanks for your Prompt reply, ok But my HDD drive is still got Windows 7 & every thing , PC World just removed the HDD drive and installed an SSD Drive ,would that cause the Conflict Phil Please,Cheers Geoffers
I've got one, and found it quite finicky. Whenever I try to check drives plugged into it on HDTune, the HDDs spin down (SATA and IDE). Pretty frustrated since other "manufacturers" have identical units at lower price points. Paid a little more expecting quality, and didn't get it. I'm trying to find a IDE/SATA to USB 3/eSATA from ORICO, but those have become quite rare.
I use mine a few times every week since I reviewed it. I haven't encountered any issues and it's been great. The other unit I reviewed (the red one), I didn't use it, the UGreen worked much better for me.
Hi Phils, do you have problem using this device, when using HDTUNE software to read SMART drive status? Here when I open HDTUNE it shuts down the HDD, and need to disconnect and reconnect it from USB. Using CrystalDiskInfo this issue does not happen. I like HDTUNE because I can do a zerofill in order to check drive integrity. Maybe I bought an earlier version of the ugreen 30353 model. Does it happen to you?
Please let us know, try to download the free version of hdtune and see if it does the same. If it works fine with you, I will buy a new ugreen adapter.
I'll try to remember. If you don't hear from me, just write a new comment (not reply to this one) and hopefully I get around. I use the adapter ALL the time in my lab.
Tell me bro, will he pull 2 sata drives from a computer (but not a laptop) at the same time or not? I want to buy this for myself. Thanks for the review😊😊
Thanks for the video. The idea to have all devices plugged in seems nice. Though if they can't be used simultaneously it breaks part of the concept for me. Looks like its a mediocre device. I would buy it for the price though, since its a handy connector package. (like these now old school multi card readers) Looking forward for more in-depth reviews. Thanks
I ve done all the plugins and turn on the device with my IDE . It spins but the computer don't recognize it. Doesn't pop up nothing here on the screen. I don't no why cuz seams the IDE is fine and spinning.
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Guys thanks for the comments. I totally forgot about Master / Slave jumpers. Well that sorted it out.
Having the 40 GB 2.5" drive set to Master and the 80 GB Seagate 3.5" set to Slave, and they work fine. I also plugged in a SATA drive and that also works! So yes, you can use three devices simultaneously :)
Thanks for pointing it out!
Just want to point out you couldn't boot off that XP CD because that laptop you're using there looks like it's an EFI machine not a BIOS machine. XP only supports BIOS so that's why it didn't show up.
Also, if your laptop using separate (non-chipset) USB 3.0, it will not boot. Try 2.0 port on that HP. And you can go straight to F9 to get to boot menu, without ESC. You need to enable "legacy boot" or similar option to avoid what Todd mentioned.
It's more convenient to set all IDE drives' jumpers to cable select (CS) mode and forget about it, instead of checking/remembering which is what with master/slave. PS. Great video, love the channel! :)
Colleague at work was surprised I knew about jumpers on IDE drives despite being 27 years old. Made me feel old, or at least made me think I used IDE drives for way longer than anyone else i guess.
It looked to me more like it didn't see the drive. If it had been a Windows 10 boot disc, it wouldn't have seen that either, I bet. There may still have been a UEFI issue, but related to the hardware, and not the disc in the drive. Might even have been a Secure Boot issue; if there were an option in the UEFI to turn that off, or switch over to a BIOS mode, that might have worked.
Great review. Love the transparency. You connect the drives and show the seek times with no editing. I wish more youtubers would use this work process. No gimmicks, just real world testing. kudos
Thank you!
I purchased one very similar to this back in 2009, but went by the name of "i connect" and connects via usb2.0, it has a laptop type power supply adapter with outputs of 12v and 5v @ 2000ma each for power using a 4pin molex power connector. It definately came in handy for the computer repair buisness i was doing from home, especially when checking HDD/SDD for viruses. malware, etc externally, saving all types of files for backup purposes, deletion and partitioning of drives.
I use mine all the time, it's such a useful gadget.
I'm impressed the optical drive worked, this is a very useful little converter.
Having used these USB drive bricks for several years, I can tell you that they are very handy but you will be replacing it once in awhile if you use it heavily. Sata connector tends to wear out and the drive will stop getting adequate power and will do sort of a strange buzzing/clicking thing. When that happens, just have to fiddle with it. It can also lose connection in the middle of doing something also, drive will no longer be detected and will require fiddling with it again, supporting the brick or the drive in such a way as to put pressure on the connector for a better fit.
WaybackTECH hey i connect my hard drive the usual way (through psu and mobo) but the sata power connector(from psu) wears out after 2-3 months and hard drive starts to make clicking sounds like u said.. So do u actually know the reason why do they wear out?? Thanks in advance
@@Talha80777
The gold on the "pipelines" on the sata connectors simply wear out from vibration of the drive.
They build the connectors using off the shelf parts rated for heavy stationary use where vibrations don't impede life expectancy of components.
The ICYBOX docking stations (that costs a lot) don't have this problem because they're built to be heavy and has a damping system to avoid exactly this.
But the Icybox'es don't have IDE... So there's that.
The best way to run these lighter adapters is if you can somehow bolt or fasten it down to something, like a harddrive rack out of a scrapped pc/server, which you then bolt onto a piece of plywood or something, it should keep everything still and significantly reduce wear.
Maybe using 3 devices would involve using an IDE Cable with some sort of adaper, and/or setting the Jumpers for Master/Slave.
That was it! It fixed it. I added a pinned comment with details.
PhilsComputerLab just wanted to say the same but was too late ;-)
This is the oldest, yet most instructive video I have seen on this topic recently. I have an older, unbranded converter that still works as well as when purchased. Your tips on using the device without power, and using a US to Aus power converter were worth the price of admission... Thank you. Not sure how to set Master/Slave jumpers.
PS, I usually only have 1 or 2 drives attached and copy data to my C: and D: drives.
Nice, this will be really useful for me and I just ordered one! (Cost £21 delivered UK)
afaik it's not that 3.5inch drives just use more power, but they require a 12v line to power the drive motor. Even if you could draw the necessary amps from 5v it'd be unfeasible to transform it into 12v.
Just a real and clean test, i love tour channel
Best review I've seen on the Ugreen IDE/SATA to USB 3.0 device. Thank you.
I got one on Ebay it works ok. Very good for looking at bad drives with out open your case.
need to check the power requirments of the 2.5inch drives being used, make sure they are within the USB3's power delivery capabilities, also have to look at the max data transfer speed from the buffer to the disk surface :)
nice video of a nice product, now i want one, but i have plenty of adaptors n gizmos already :( lol
Fun-Fact about this Converters: Put an CD-Rom Drive with Headphonejack, Volumecontrol and Play/Pause-Button on it, insert an Music-CD from the 90s, connect speaker or headphone and listen to music like back in the days.
I like the idea, but really all you need for that is Molex power. At least if your drive has the play / skip buttons.
I have this external SCSI Enclosure, that has an internal PSU and even got RCA Connectors on the back. And i had that running for a while, just put an IDE CD-ROM in it that had this play (and even a skip/FF) button on it. Connected to my Amplifier and worked perfectly as a CD Player.
Your making me feel old lol ;) back in the day haha
Thanks, that's what i was looking for.
Yea I use this gadget all the time :)
I found an old IDE Drive and was wondering what to find on that drive (pictures / Music etc) and I bought this adapter. Cant wait to use it. Using an 5 years old drive for the first time, not knowing what to find is like a treasure hunt :D Thanks for the review!
Hehe I wonder what you will find.
same here, just that i am trying to hook up some drives i haven't used since 28 - 30 years. but i assume they won't work because of using PIO instead of UDMA protocol.. i'll see soon..
that's a really nice review, all the info that i wanted...probably the best one on youtube regarding this adapter...finally someone who know what he's doing..and properly speak english..
You should do a update video in this and set one of the ide drive as master and the other one as slave i have the same one and it works for me i can see all three hard drives.
Thank you very much Phils. Good job. I am really feed up of videos, where people feel like tv starts and talk and talk too much about the product but don't show anything. Regarding the speed test. It seems that the USB bus is not saturated at about 40MB/s because the first test with and SSD yielded a 106 MB/s and this is a normal speed for hdd also. The only thing I can think of is that you made the test without power for the two 2,5" HDD. But anyway it is strange
Dude, I'm glad you made a video on this. I never thought about it but I think this device could really help me in the future.
Thanks!
I got one of this exact model to extract some data from old disks I had and to use with a Blu-Ray drives.
It works quite well, I also test the speed with an SATA3 SSD and It also tops out ~110 MBytes/Sec
I suspect its because the bridge chip's compatibility layer to the IDE/PATA drives which tops out at around 133 MBytes/Sec so it will only run at SATA1 (150 MBytes/Sec)
But its still very useful little tool.
Please can you help me, I have two hard drives which have come out of a old PC which is now not working on these drives are files that I would like to recover mostly JPGs, when my PC failed I purchased a reconditioned desktop Mac, I want to know if I purchased a UGREEN SATA III to USB 3.0 Adapter 2.5/3.5 HDD would it recover the files from my Drives to my Mac via the USB connection. Great video very informative. Thank you.
With a new hard disk partitiom, I recommend a slow format. I did a quick on a new hard disk and the hard drive was slow at reading and writing. I reformatted, put my data back on and my speed went up crazy.
The 500Mbps limit is likely a combination of read and write combined.
USB2.0 is 60MBps and includes write and read. You'll get close but never the full speed.
I just received mine today and it works great. Thanks PCL.
What about IDE HDDs from the early 90ies using the PIO instead of UDMA mode? Will this adapter work with PIO Drives? Would love to get my old 80 - 450 MB drives working again.
Any possibility the master/slave jumpers on the IDE devices affect the simultaneous functionality?
Good thinking. I've got another product to review and will try that while am at it.
Man, why didn't I think of that! I just tried it, and it's all working, 2 IDE drives as well as 2 IDE + 1 SATA drives. I'll update the description and pin the post!
Nice! It helps to have lived and worked back then when that was normal :)
@@philscomputerlab When plugging in only one IDE drive, is a jumper necessary? If so, which position should it be in?
@@nagoyaboya The jumper positions are usually written on the drive. If not, you need to search for the manual!
probably the HP and IDE cd-rom didnt show up because the HP laptop probably was in UEFI mode. i have a HP Workstation similar to that and you have to enable non-UEFI mode to see those devices on boot.
I have the following drives:
- 2007 SATA 80GB 3.5" throughput 60MB/s,
- 2007 IDE 320MB 3.5" throughput 65MB/s
- 2009? IDE 250MB 3.5" throughput 80MB/s.
- 2007 SATA 160GB 2.5" throughput 40MB/s, both on SATA-2 and USB 3.0.
- 2009 SATA 320GB 2.5" throughput 80MB/s, both on SATA-2 and USB 3.0.
I think your HDD measurements are correct and probably more or less consistent with the production year of the drive. My measurements are done in the PC itself, a Pentium 4 HT at 3.0GHz for IDE and a Phenom II X4 B97 at 3.2GHz for SATA.
In the time I still had an SSD, that one would run at 290MB/s at my USB 3.0 connection, in the PC it would run considerably faster more than 400MB/s. So I noticed also a relative large drop in throughput using USB 3.0 for the SSD.
I used that 40MB/s, 160GB HDD in my new Dell Inspiron 1521 laptop with Vista. I blamed it all on Vista, can you imagine, how much I hated Vista in mid 2008. After the two service packs and after introducing the 80MB/s, 320GB HDD, it became workable again. But it has been the main reason, that I switched from Windows to Ubuntu.
I had a comparable experience, replacing the 60MB/s, 80GB HDD from my ex-lease HP dc5850 by a 135MB/s, 500GB HDD.
Thanks for letting us see the screen and see what popped up
It's a shame it doesn't support multiple sata drives, since I don't really have ide drives. Do you know of any similar adapter for multiple sata? Excellent video btw, honest and very thorough, would have been interesting to check speed transfer in between drives.
I know that a sata ssd is believed to unaccessible, but you can access it to format, erase and partitioned it by accessing the sata ssd with data-only cable. If you comnect it with sata's 7 pins for data-only, a program is running to repair itself. If you connect it with all these pins, your data-only cable isn't connected only, but the other pins are connected to thr currency or power. A lot of the sata-to-usb adapters are adapters with currency/power. Did you also make a video how to connect a sata ssd by such this type or something similar to only access the 7 pins for data or data cable, because the other non-7 pins are 15 pins and much more for currency/power?
This is better than my mate vince!
Gogogo phil! We love your PC!
Great video. If you could talk us through your mouse clicks as your navigating
we could learn even more from you
Nice summary video on this device. I'm curious if you may have tested recording any discs through this? I'm just concerned on its stability when connected to USB.
Did you ever have it drop and reset connection, like many USB drive connectors tend to do randomly?
Got the adaptor, plugged in my old laptop 2.5 IDE, listen to it spin up, but unfortunately it does not appear on my laptop! went into settings and found the info on it, it says it didn't migrate! (no idea what that means!) any ideas what i can do to access this drive would be very welcomed/
The Fujitsu and Seagate IDE drives are not limited by the Ugreen. 40MB/sec from the 40GB platters in the Seagate is about right.
Nice, good to know.
Just a note: If you need someting very similar but a lot cheaper have a look on ebay. Chinese sellers are selling SATA /IDE to USB 2.0 adapters. The Price is about 2 USD shipped. Obviously you need a PSU to use a HDD.
Speed: 40MB/s Read and Write.
I wouldn't recommend that. I bought one and the Power supply exploded after a few weeks of usage
Manuauto Just get an old desktop PSU and make a seitch on the green wire to ground.
you can expect 25-30MB/s in real world applications. I have one of those and I never got more than 28MB regardless of drive attached. The USB protocol overhead is a wee bit excessive.
BTW, 10 around 10 bucks gets you a usb 3 version which would be a better choice.
USB 3 is definitely better bun not always necessary.
Phil, hookup an external 4pin molex to the 3.5in ide drive, (not using the adapter power to power it) then hookup the 2.5 ide drive using adapter power and then you should see both ide drives
It turned out to be Master / Slave issue. I set the 80 GB to slave and both showed up!
Oh ok, well usually slight clicking is indication of not enough power. I just had this happen today with a 3.0 Seagate expansion 2.5 drive, the front USB port on a DELL server just did not provide enough power for 1 simple drive.. it was slightly clicking with a short spin up , had to use the back usb port to keep the drive running.
Ah yes, I know that issue as well.
Try setting one IDE drive to master and the other to slave they may share a common IDE channel.
The reason you couldn't boot off the disc on the first laptop is probably because it's UEFI based and the XP disc doesn't support UEFI. Booting a newer setup disc such as the Windows 8 or 10 ones could help verify that as those do support UEFI. Windows 7 setup does also support booting on a UEFI machine, but it doesn't support Secure Boot (to my knowledge), and you have to move some files around to make it work.
Often you can enable "Legacy Mode" or "Legacy Boot" to boot from non-UEFI devices, but that's not an option on every BIOS, especially on laptops.
Wonder if theres any usb3.0 interfaces for windows98, doubt there would be any drivers for usb3 on 98 but a hardware driven usb3 interface would be a great idea, i remember the old IDE drives maxing out at about 60MB/s
Nice review, Phil. Thanks. I was looking for a device like that, but didn't buy anything yet, because I was not sure if they were any good. You answered all my questions.
Thank you!
Very precise and clear review. Thanks a lot and really good job !
Mac OS 9 ? That's some dedication to compatibility
Hugobros3 MacOS9 has a standard USB capability. It doesn't need any more effort than to build a product that adheres to standards and it will work.
At the dual IDE test do you try to put one Slave? The 3'5 guy you can set at Slave and try again.
Excellent video and product!
I've done that 18 hours ago.
interesting speed test results, are the sata hdds topping out at the ide max or is that just a coincidence?
Thank you Phil for a great review. Personally I am strongly against buying from banggood. I have only horrible experience. In short as a Chinese service, buyer doesn’t have any rights. Soo good luck if somethings goes wrong and you have to sorted out faulty goods in first year.
I need connect to sata usb 3.0 device...it is possible? Not 3.0 to sata.
Hi there, did you test it using HDTUNE software to read SMART drive status? As I said before, I have the same adapter and it is shutting down my connected HDD OR SSD when trying to use HDTUNE with this UGREEN adapter.
so the conclusion is only SATA HARDRIVE and Cd/dvd room that use power adapter, other's (laptop harddrive, ide drive, ssd drive ) doesn't need power adapter, is that correct sir?
Can you do 1 with changing a old drive out to a new SSD
Valuable information thank you for sharing
Thanks for the video!
im thinking about buying one of these converters for old data too. once connected can i access the data or will it only recognize the drive after formatting? i dont plan on using the drive, rather just connect it for a minute to copy mere megabytes but your laptop says it needs to format before it can use the drive which would make the whole procedure pointless for me. its a working samsung 400 gb ide drive from like 05 or 06 which i only discarded because i switched to sata drives from then on
Hey Phil, did you maybe test off camera, some old like 1gb or less hdd on this? I am really interested in it for imaging old hdds with one of a kubd software on them, before they go bad...
Dont worry, in the meantime I did some reading and those adapters are suitable only for larger (LBA) hard disks... CHS is not supported.
So I guess the best option for backing up and imaging old hdd is still networking... Still can get quite quirky when going from win3.11 to win xp and similar combinations 😅
Now, as I see the results I wonder what chips they used in this item. It would be ver interesting if you could open it up. It might be that they are actually using two separate chips. One for IDE and another one for Sata. Or they have integrated an older chip design into one dye.
There is no easy way to open the device it seems. And I don't want to break it open as I will be using it.
Ok
It looks like I'm buying one of these. I need to put files on IDE HDD for the PS2 use with FreeMCBoot.
I have something similar but generic. It works with an IDE CD drive I have. On any of those kind of drives you may need a jumper on master. It would not show up at all in Windows unless I place a jumper on it. Serial ATA is much better, no master and slave jumpers. If you do have a SATA drive that has jumpers on it, they are most likely NOT master and slave because that is irrelevant to SATA. I am just not sure that the adapter I have works with more than one device at a time. I will just play it safe and assume one at a time so as not to overload it.
Thanks for the video. It worked very well
Nice :) I have this Adapter connected to my PC in my lab and use it all the time. Really happy with it!
I just want to clone ide drive to Sata ssd show me the best way to.do this.
Thank you.
I think you will find USB 3.0 performance under Windows 8/10 to be much faster than 7. I never felt Windows 7 fully utilized it's performance.
Nice video sir, great explanation.
40 MB/s sounds about good for IDE, UDMA/66 is around 60MB/s
Good to know. The fastest drive I found is a 120 GB Seagate and it does around 45 MB or so.
This, 30-50 MB/s is quiet normal for HDDs of that era. It's just a few years since newer models are faster as 100 MB/s.
Just for reference sake, most decent spinning platter drives max at around 75MB/s sustained (if the interface will permit). With USB and converter overhead 40-50 seems pretty good, actually.
H I Phil, after waching you video Ugreen adapter, I liked what I saw great video , so I ordered a week ago and it arrived Yesterday I am in the UK, long story short is, My HDD drive is the SAMSUNG HD103JS ,sadly I CANT OBTAIN THE DRIVERS ,BEEN ON TO Samsung Support site no joy , but thanks for your Product Recomondation seems Great. Geoffers
There shouldn't be any need for drivers! It should work like any USB hard-drive and picked up by Windows.
hello Phil are you going to do a review on the Matrox m3D as well ? That I would love to see :D
I wish I had one, but I don't and they seem to be hard to find and expensive with limited game support.
I was fortunate to get a Videologic Apocalypse 3Dx (PowerVR PCX2) at eBay for a fairly low price last year.
I was amazed at the 1024 X 768 resolution in the original Tomb Raider though.
I don't know why the early PowerVR cards are so expensive though the prices are outrageous
Good demo, thanks
Pretty late to the party but what's that power cable called exactly at 5:38? I lost mine unfortunately and I need to order a new one. When I google '4pin IDE power' I only get 4pin to SATA cables shown.
Hmm that cable might be propriety? The little one looks like the old floppy power / berg connector maybe?
Can you please tell me whats the chip inside? Or what name of the device Windows recognizes? Is it xt u33502?
Does that come with software to determine the remaining read/write cycles on an SSD (sata3) ? Thanks 🤓
Mine was working fine until I attached it to one particular HD. At that point it whirled up, then turned off. After that, it did the same with every HD.
I hate this thing. It came highly-reconmended for Plextor drives by ReDump project and was on sale for Prime day so I pulled the trigger.
When connecting it to one of my Plextor drives the fan came on as soon as I connected power... while the power switch was turned off and the unit itself was disconnected. Plugging in live power is not good.
I correctly guessed that the switch was only switching USB and 5V but I still thought 5v was being generated internally off of the 12v adapter. I was wrong. I realized I had no 5v after trying three optical drives with the only sign of life being that fan on that one drive (most drives would not have a fan). No lights or electronics = no 5v, which confirmed using a multimeter.
I realized that it didn't quite fit the IDE port on all my drives because they stupidly did not protrude the port far enough, provide flexibility, or allow you to use an IDE cable.
After connecting it to my USB port I verified that I now had 5v for connected drives but I still had no way to turn on 5v and 12v at the same time. This may have damaged one of my Plextor drives (the one with the fan) since I can only get the drive access light when powered with both 12v and 5v. FWIW, the fan is not supposed to come on when you power up and only does so when you connect 12v without 5v. As soon as you flip on the adapter and the drive gets 5v, the access light comes on and the fan goes off but I get no response from the tray and the PC cannot see the drive. It seems to work with my other drives including a Benq rebranded as a Plextor though, but a single USB port cannot provide enough 5v power for reliable operations. STUPID!
Hi Phil , Thanks for your Prompt reply, ok But my HDD drive is still got Windows 7 & every thing , PC World just removed the HDD drive and installed an SSD Drive ,would that cause the Conflict Phil Please,Cheers Geoffers
Great review, is there a difference in drive speeds between 2.5 drive with and without external power supply connected?
Erika Berkenhof It performs the same!
Thank you for your reply
That doesn't look like a standard A/B USB3 connector. Some kind of weird A/A cable?
How do you know which hard drive connector fits the device correctly.
none of my drives are being recognized by my windows 10 laptop
It would be interesting with a CrystalDiskMark test with 3 drives simultaneously :-)
How would you do that?
PhilsComputerLab you could make a software raid in windows and test that
Nice review Phil, A handy device
I've got one, and found it quite finicky. Whenever I try to check drives plugged into it on HDTune, the HDDs spin down (SATA and IDE). Pretty frustrated since other "manufacturers" have identical units at lower price points. Paid a little more expecting quality, and didn't get it. I'm trying to find a IDE/SATA to USB 3/eSATA from ORICO, but those have become quite rare.
I use mine a few times every week since I reviewed it. I haven't encountered any issues and it's been great. The other unit I reviewed (the red one), I didn't use it, the UGreen worked much better for me.
Is it possible to get an 80pin SCSI, server-grade, convertor to USB or SATA?
may i know what is the main controller chip of this u green adapter? thank you
Did you try it with USB 2.0/1.0? Could find a way to mount this internally for extra drives in an older PC.
Yup it works just as well, but not as fast as with USB 3.0.
Hi Phils, do you have problem using this device, when using HDTUNE software to read SMART drive status? Here when I open HDTUNE it shuts down the HDD, and need to disconnect and reconnect it from USB. Using CrystalDiskInfo this issue does not happen. I like HDTUNE because I can do a zerofill in order to check drive integrity.
Maybe I bought an earlier version of the ugreen 30353 model. Does it happen to you?
Please let us know, try to download the free version of hdtune and see if it does the same. If it works fine with you, I will buy a new ugreen adapter.
I'll try to remember. If you don't hear from me, just write a new comment (not reply to this one) and hopefully I get around. I use the adapter ALL the time in my lab.
Hi I bought one hard drive converter it does not work on my Mac version, 10.11.6 I have a hard 3tb drive that I can't get my files from
Solution: Buy Computer, sell Mac.
now we can install operating system on drives without using pc from where hard drive came from using vmware player or workstation
Tell me bro, will he pull 2 sata drives from a computer (but not a laptop) at the same time or not? I want to buy this for myself. Thanks for the review😊😊
Thanks for the video. The idea to have all devices plugged in seems nice. Though if they can't be used simultaneously it breaks part of the concept for me. Looks like its a mediocre device. I would buy it for the price though, since its a handy connector package. (like these now old school multi card readers)
Looking forward for more in-depth reviews. Thanks
Setting one IDE drive to Slave fixed it. I added a pinned comment with details!
Thanks for the update! Now this explains a lot ( and didn't came into my mind at all. Cheers!
Did you have to load drivers ? My adapter (same) only works with sats, tried several 2.5" ides and it cant find them
Nope. But check jumpers has to be set to master or single drive.
Nice video! By the way, are you a native English speaker?
Australian!
I ve done all the plugins and turn on the device with my IDE . It spins but the computer don't recognize it. Doesn't pop up nothing here on the screen. I don't no why cuz seams the IDE is fine and spinning.
IM having the same problem, got a 60 gb maxtor, I plug my 750 GB maxtor it works?
How can I use an old IDE port on my Motherboard to connect to usb ?
What version windows are you using in this setup?
can anyone confirm it is actually working with linux gsmartcontrol? sometimes these usb bridges don't allow SMART data through. thanks!
you try using master and slave to see if both IDE drive work
Yes it works now, I've put more info in the pinned comment.
I have old IDE drives with multiple partitions. Will this device see the partitions?
Yes but your OS might not!
Hi, can I use it on a 3.5 6 TB hard drive??
I think this thing just killed my old hard drive! It immediately recognized it and started working, but then it froze and now the drive can't be read!
Fo you know if this will work with TV USB?
Did you set master/slave correctly when connected two IDE drives?
That was it! It fixed it. I added a pinned comment with details.
Nice to hear that :)
Hey phil.I have a old retro pc.Pentium 3 933Mhz CPU,SDRAM 512 Mb,Nvidia Geforce 2 Mx400 64 mb 8Gb hdd Western Digital.What games to run?
Download some old demos and see what games run well.
Some laptops just can't boot off of USB 3.0 you'd have to use 2.0