Grace, Justice, & Mercy: An Evening with Bryan Stevenson & Rev. Tim Keller Q &A
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- In an age of mass incarceration and growing racial tension, how can a church committed to the flourishing of a whole city engage as ambassadors of reconciliation and restoration? Bryan Stevenson & Tim Keller will help us explore ways to sustain hope through a grace filled pursuit of justice and mercy as they draw from their own calling and work.
Bryan Stevenson is one of this nation’s most influential public interest lawyers and the Founder & Director of the Equal Justice Initiative. For over 30 years, Stevenson has dedicated his life to help release those wrongly condemned on death row. He has also successfully advocated to eliminate the prosecution of children as adults. Leading the charge for a renewed conversation about racism in the US by connecting contemporary injustices with slavery, lynching, and segregation, Stevenson is the bestselling author of Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redemption.
Rev. Tim Keller has committed his life to presenting the gospel - through preaching, teaching, and church planting - in ways that challenge not just our heads but our hearts to bring about lasting transformation. Co-founder and Senior Pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church for the last 27 years, Tim is also a prolific author. His many books have been translated into 26 languages.
Moderated by: Pamela Brown-Peterside is a long-time member of Redeemer’s Grace & Race group and has been working at Redeemer for 8 years. She currently oversees a team that cares for 90 community groups that are part of our West Side congregation. Community groups meet throughout the week usually in people’s apartments to worship, pray, study the Bible, and serve together. Before joining the Redeemer staff, Pamela worked in HIV/AIDS prevention with women in the South Bronx for almost a decade and saw firsthand the effects of poverty and mass incarceration in those communities of color. Originally from Nigeria, she has lived in New York City for over 20 years.
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The sins of the father are wiped out by the blood of Christ. Each individual must come to Christ and be transformed by the Word and the Holy Spirit. When we are we will pour out streams of living water. Preach Jesus, Church, and we WILL do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with our God.
Yes speaking it in to existence by synchronized thought emotional and true spiritual belief because we have seeked and therefore believe his truth sincerely
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In Mr. Stevenson's introductory mention of receiving death threats and opposition I am reminded of the prophet Nehemiah who, out of concern and the depth of sorrow, was committed to building the wall Jerusalem, restoring the city he cared for. Yet, despite opposition, adversity and scorners, he maintained hope saying, "the God of heaven, he will prosper us; therefore we his servants will arise and build..." The hand of God was with Nehemiah
(Nehemiah 2:8). Not unlike Mr. Stevenson, Nehemiah cared for the welfare of the children Israel (Nehemiah 2:10). And despite the adversary, like unto Nehemiah, the hand of God is with Mr. Stevenson as he cares for those who are marginally oppressed & the poor to whom God has granted him caretaker. His stewardship be blessed as he "opens his mouth, judging righteously, and pleads the cause of the poor and needy (Proverbs 31:9)
For the men that don't finish school, how do we create jobs for them? We all need the dignity and purpose that comes from honest work.
Reverend Tim you hit the nail right on the head. We are Christian first before we are black, white, working class, upper class, Republican, Democrat. Christians of all races, class, political affiliation must first develop an attitude of "Are you not my brother" like William Wilberforce and those who fought against slave trade did in the UK and beyond. Christians must lead in the fight for justice. It will take a lot of soul searching and true repentance on all our part, but praise God we have the Holy Spirit to help us. Besides, America has already demonstrated what Christians can achieve when they pray. This is the right moment. The question I always ask is who is willing to lead this Christian movement?
Tell the millions of African slaves who were subjugated by white people with biblical, christian justification that they are all equal as Christians.
William wilberforce was a force for good in spite of the bible. Not because of it. The bible tells you slaves are absolutely fine. It tells you who you can enslave, for how long, and even how badly you can beat them if they’re disobedient. Wilberforce went totally against what the bible told him.
Pretty sickening that your religion which justified the enslavement and suffering of millions of Africans is a source of pride for you.
That’s exactly the opposite of what Keller is saying. He is divisively saying that we have some kind of weird sin-guilt due to the color of our skin.
@Joyce Richardson Then you are deceiving yourself if you think you are a Christian. Jesus said to leave parents and children and brothers and sisters to follow Him, if that’s what it comes to.
If the color of your skin is more important than Christ, then He is of no use to you.
@@erc9468 It has become an idol.
I did read Stevenson's book "Just Mercy" and I now have a new profound respect for this man who has been a voice for those who did not have one. I am a retired parole officer who did not realize how bad this problem was!!
Khalil saahir I admire your late awareness of that sad reality.
Yes, we are Christians first!We need God's wisdom to be kind and merciful in our responses to the issues of our day
Late to the the party here.... just finished reading Just Mercy and have been watching Stevenson's speeches. So amazed and thrilled to stumble across this with my favorite Tim Keller. This video totally opened my eyes and changed my thinking about reparations and why they are needed. Thanks. God Bless.
How impactful for this time.
So powerful and so needed....the love of God going out into this nation.
There's nothing loving about labeling all whites racists. Sickening! How dare this racist filth be promoted in churches?!
You’re a terrible person
Does anyone else realize that this man is terrible human being? I guess Oprah Winfrey doesn’t….
Thank God for putting your both in the middle of our 'world' at this time and in this space . . . if the needle moves, even slightly, we are all better for it, and it seems to me that the needle would not move at all if either of you were not here.
Everything Bryan says is so deep and profound, like he's reading from a book.
Such wisdom in this. As timely now as it was in 2016 - & even more so.
Thanks for watching!
This I hear on june 20, 2020. So up-to-date! I hope your work will work out for good soon. People like you are the ones that make a country great. I pray for your protection.
I totally agree with you Bryan. Finishing off what God started through Martin Luther King Jr. is and urgent matter. We have left it far too long!
I told the truth and they took it down within 5 minutes
Thank you Bryan and Tim
addendum - my children are only half white and have never thought of themselves as anything other than what they are.. people. They understand their parents came from two different cultures and background, but that doesn't change that they are just people. No better. No worse than anyone else. We're all God's children.
@@carti7916 I just finished Bryan's book. You're right. It's powerful. I do feel differently about the issue. I pray that one day life will be more fair for the minority, but, sadly, I'm afraid that will only be on the other side of life.
Amazing..so powerful
How impactful for this time.
powerful dialogue Mercy ,Justice and the Gospel .
No Gospel in there at all.
I've witnessed first hand how generation's choose to disrespect the next with fowel mouth language and anger. Lived right up to their reputation for hot headed anger with no regard for who's drawn for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Wow! Where would we be today if we had followed Bryan’s suggestions?
Isn't our true wealth what we store in Heaven? As in Luke 16, the money we think we have in this life is actually what Lord has committed to us to manage. If we do well, God will give us our OWN money that will wait for us when we get to Heaven.
Definately or treasure is in heaven but i don’t think scripture teaches there will be degrees of reward in heaven as piper etc teaches, really squeezing more from the texts then they permit
My favorite part was when Mr. Stevenson talked about another kind of wealth...Jesus said it was happier to give than receive!
Phenomenal ! Stevenson is a visionary !
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childhood trauma - very real!
Does anyone know if EjI does any work for justice for the unborn?
Keller's reference to Daniel 9 to say "the Bible believes in corporate sin" is wrong in the sense of it applying to Christians today. Daniel confessed because he was under the Mosaic Covenant that Israel had promised to keep but violated, and so he was part of Israel in a corporate way. But no, the Bible does not tell Christians they are accountable for something they did not do. We are not under the Mosaic Covenant.
Right. He is a false teacher.
@@beaulin5628 because of one comment he made? 🙄
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@@emgmin No. Because he taught a false gospel.
I suggest David Chilton's Productive Christians in an Age of Guilt Manipulators.He actually goes to the bible to answer all of these questions.
Sounds interesting.
Guilt manipulators ... 🤔; Tim was one of them!
My white priviledge consisted of more than 50years of hard work
20:15 the issue of mandatory sentences is briefly touched upon. But it is does so oh so superficially.
Bryan says that such laws are anti-mercy laws.
Really? My knowledge of mandatory sentences is that they are a reaction to trivial or at least inadequate sentencing. For example (and admittedly hypothetical) a rapist that has been charged multiple times before is given a light sentence only to be released to re-offend.
This is absolutely critical to get. We can't have mercy at the expense of some other victim. How for example in the above hypothetical, has mercy to the past and future rape victims been addressed. In fact, never-mind mercy in the case of these victims, they weren't even dealt with justly.
One thing that I don't see Bryan ever address (and I read his book) is whose prerogative is it to give mercy? Again referring to the hypothetical above, let's say there are three people (or categories of people). There is the offender, the victim and me (the observer). How is it right that I should fight for so-called "mercy" to be shown to the offender and not say that at least a very large part of the mercy is for the victim to extend or withhold? It appears that for me to side with Bryan in an unexamined way is to be mindless.
And it is cases such as this where the care of the victim and the realization that the very large part of mercy is in her hands, leads, when things go awry, to the pendulum swings in the other direction, such as in mandatory sentences.
In my mind, it is nothing but sophistic jibberish to demand mercy. Mercy can only be granted by the wronged, and that only willingly.
I agree that we need memorials to remember where we came from. But we also need to celebrate the wonder of the fact that our country was one of the first to see slavery as wrong. It was a lot of white men who headed the effort and great cost to themselves to end slavery not just in America but around the world. I struggle talking with race about people because we only focus on the negative and don't acknowledge how white people have also helped better the world. Yes we still live in a broken country, but if you want "white" people to listen, we need to have a conversation that acknowledges the full history on both sides. That has not been an offer that has been made.
7:00 I don't know what kind of Christianity this pastor is preaching, but there is nothing that I've ever seen in that religion that says that you have some guilt or complicity that you just bear due to sharing a skin color with someone else who may have done bad things.
This Norwegian fellow was rightfully confused.
7:30 So let's extend this concept out. Due to "historical forces" in America, if you are Asian in America, you will have a average household income which is $17K higher per year than your average White person.
Does this mean that being Asian makes you "complicit" in some kind of bizzare Christian guilt thing?
The Christianity he is preaching here is one viewed through the lens of Critical Theory - more specifically Critical Race Theory - which is how he can assert that guild or complicity is based on a person's melanin count.
It is so deeply tragic to hear Keller be led astray like this. :( :(
His reasoning is atrocious and false. This is promoting "division among Christian brethren" and racial hatred by causing young black people to believe all white people are against them based on their race! Keller is stoking the fires of hell.
He is saying to acknowledge the differences and history.
@@steflondon88 Please explain how a fresh off the boat Norwegian guy is “standing on the shoulders of people who got that advantage through injustice”.
Makes no sense.
And even if you’re an 8th generation Southern guy it makes no sense.
This takes broad historical trends and averages and makes them individual in nature. It’s nothing but a logical category error.
Mr. Stevenson, How should schools address disciplinary issues for all students?
Example
Problem: In some school districts in California Black students were disproportionately suspended/expelled compared to white, Asian, Hispanic students.
Reaction: Rather than investigate those school districts and investigating each black student's file who was suspended/expelled to determine if they were wrongly punished in comparison to the White, Asian, Hispanic students violating the same rules -
California leaders and their policies removed detention and suspension for all students exhibiting inappropriate behaviors in schools.
Result: The public school environment, particularly in the classrooms, for both teachers and students, becomes chaotic. There is an increase in bad behavior and teachers are spending time correcting students who know they cannot be punished. Very little instruction is happening. Parents who can do so move their students into charter schools, private schools, online learning, or religious schools.
Ignoring realities is not good business.
The continuing problem of misbehavior was a result of a simplistic, quick-fix decision by the California leaders. Removing discipline/consequence procedures was far easier to do since it was a bureaucratic policy decision-signing papers, and changing rules. That's a far easier and faster response than investing money and resources to counter the problems of poverty, home life deterioration, and crime problems inherent in these problematic neighborhoods. It's also an action that these education leaders can point to as "concrete proof" they are seeking solutions. It's also a "solution" they can use to promote their re-election. And, hopefully for them, their re-election will occur before it becomes obvious their "solution" didn't actually solve the problem.
Im tired of evil people like this trying to divide us by race.
It seems to me, as long as we keep having these conversations, prejudice will abound. We need to stop asking for ' race ' on applications. Stop pointing out what color or ethnicity a person is when people do something wrong or heroic. We need to just move on and talk about loving others. If a person has a history of being a rescued sex slave, wouldn't it be best to not keep bringing it up and dwelling on it, but focus on a better world and assuring all people have a past, but we all have value no matter what. As the panel mentioned, we've been having these conversations for decades. When will we just be people? Not black, white, Asian Vietnamese, Mexican... What difference does it make!? We're all of the human race. Why do we keep having to differentiate? We need to stop! Love wins the day. What our ancestors did is not what we did. We can lead a better way. The way of the Lord.
Norma Ray, We are all humans. But the damage is perpetuated daily and that is why we must have these discussions. So many are unaware of the depth of harm and how it continues in many forms.
Jennifer Trippeer before Obama came into office it was pretty calm. Then he mentioned differences and unfairness so many times he began to rile people up about differences and we've never recovered. You and I and the people on panels like this have done nothing to cause the history that should be looked at as the trouble our ancestors caused. None of us are responsible. Until we stop pointing out differences we're never going to get beyond it. We've been talking about it for a decade. Has it helped? I wouldn't be surprised to see segregating start all over again to keep everyone safe from one another. We don't seem to learn from the past. It won't be better until we stop looking at the differences and start looking at positive causes that we can solve together. Like getting fresh water to people who don't have it or ways to clean up our environment..... and on and on. There are much better ways we use our time and resources. It's sad that so many can't see what they are perpetuating.
Jennifer Trippeer Watch "Morgan Freeman's view on Black History Month and BLM" on TH-cam
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He gets it. Why can't others?!
@@niferanne53 White people are afraid to speak up, also, against racism. The older I get the more brave and fight worthy I become. I think we need to have healing dialog so we can all fight together for love. But how do we pull off proximity? I visited down south and was chatting with the pastor next door to my daughter's house. I was hoping to go to their church service. He let me know, " We separate." I was not welcome in their Christian church. I totally got it! I understand that since whites wanted segregation ...okay cool! They got it. We are not welcome in black churches. I think it is perfectly understandable why that might be. But without dialog how can we heal?
Why don’t we stop talking about cancer as well. Perhaps, that will make it disappear.
Keller should publicly repent of his gross misuse of Scripture, disgraceful.
He sure misrepresented a bunch statastics of course.
For Christians our identify in Christ, NOT RACE!!!!!! That is not cliché. Keller and Stevenson support the victim narrative. Post modern identity privilege, like the joke on extra votes, is not beneficial. Instead of telling groups of people "you are privileged, and you owe me.", why not just share about the needs and injustices and ask people to get involved? Also, justice goes two ways and people need to be responsible for their power and actions. There is not equality between the races, true, but the gaps are closing because the system is not racist and supports opportunity and even gives preferences in education. I learned a lot from Stevenson's points, and it is edgy, fine. How about this: Where Blacks or whites are incarcerated unjustly, help them. Help children of prisoners. Address the welfare culture and support marriage for AM families. He talks about injustice...and reparations...for how long? How much? It is likely money alone won't change much, and that is already proven by the per capita expense per pupil in cities with less results. The barriers to prosperity and success are not legal ,they are cultural, and that included white and black culture. Successful black families produce successful black children. Breakdown of family, black and white is #1. Quit blaming and start naming for yourself what your culture needs to change and the white culture can work to give help, show compassion and remove barriers, but it can't be a free lunch. That's called welfare. Listening to Keller pander to social justice kind of makes me ill. Just get involved and go help. Whites don't fear blacks in this era, except for on a dark street facing a gang. We can live together and be neighbors. It is happening. About the southern memorials.... There are two cultures there and demonizing southern pride, even though evil came from ancestors, is not the way. The SJ, post modernist want to erase and humiliate the south, as punishment. Do black leaders want reconciliation or revenge? Will they forgive those southerners? I support slavery memorials along side the confederate. That is talking TOGETHER.
ALL slaves in 1860 were
owned by Democrats ! ! !
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Southern Dems became Repub Southerners during the 1960s. "The Big Switch" is called.
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WRONG ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
The "Big Switch" theory
is an obnoxious LIE. All
but two of the estimated
1,500 RACIST Democrats
remained loyal Democrats.
No "Big Switch" happened.
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Republicans and Democrats are racist.
Both mistreated blacks and minorities.
You people talk great but we need an action serious. First thing you need to do by force an laws is take the guns out black communities an make carrying a gun in a black community consequences so unbearable that nobody will want a gun.
Tim Keller looked bored. Hope guilt eats him up!
I wonder how you'd be judged if we could have observed you.
What a silly metric.
Completely disagree with the notion of whiteness being complicit in racism. Also citing that a white person has a higher chance of making a million dollars than a black person does not prove that racism is systemic.
Well said. I have nothing to add.
Closing ones eyes to reality benefits no one - not even the one with closed eyes.
Let me guess you are white. Let me guess you have either said racism is not an issue or you have nothing to do with oppression or you did not hear Keller's point coming out of Daniel 9.
Nathan Pickering, the NPCs are strong in this comment thread, lol. Yep, you are correct. And it’s easy to throw the SJW slurs at you, because that’s what being an SJW is, taking the easy way out. But don’t worry, you’re on the right track.
This is unbiblical.
How so?
@@Psalmist6693 You're right. They should've talked about how to overcome the sin of bitterness and to be grateful. Perpetuating victim mentality is evil.
You guys are complicit in bringing forth various wokery-related kinds of evil (including defamation). Perpetuating/encouraging victim mentality is unbiblical; you've ignored Christ's FINISHED REDEMPTIVE WORK.
"Justice wins in the end."? Tim is a Calvanist. Most people die not being Christians. Doesn't this fact make a predestining God a psychopathic hell monger? This whole conversation is wildly ironic compared to the doctrine of predestination.
Emily Do you think the majority of people die not being Christians? Are you a mother?
How do you know most people die not being Christians? Do you have a window into the afterlife?
Sting 79 I don’t know, just like theists don’t really know their god and an afterlife exists. But seriously, a quick demographic of the world’s population and their beliefs or lack there of clearly shows the majority not being Christians.
Bryan is not a pastor and he sounds more like a pastor. He’s trying to solve the problem of structural racism and equality with love and respect for all of humanity. The real pastor, is full of guilt and is trying hard not to step on his white brother and sister toes. One thing about white supremacy and how it works is you can’t step too far out of the lines. You will lose your white audience.
60% of black male kids who don’t finish high school will end up in prison. This is the power of white supremacy and trauma. These poor stricken areas are allowed to exist to keep the status quo. If you don’t understand white supremacy and how it works, everything else will confuse you.
Replace white supremacy/ racism with justice.
Civilization was a mistake. If we can’t get along and love one another, we shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
The white community did not obtain wealth on their own with no other race involved. Their wealth came from a massive land grab ( millions of native Americans were killed ) and three centuries ( 300 plus years ) of free labor from black enslaved Africans.
All three races are considered humans.
You hit the nail on the head. Not speaking out is the same as being a racist in my opinion. I am getting old now and my fear of white power grows less and less everyday. It becomes more important to go to my grave with a strong sense of what I believe in which is love. I look forward to seeing in my lifetime a human race that works together to heal our island home ...planet earth.
I actually felt really convicted by Kellers words. Did you listen to the talk these two did before this? He comes down hard on believers who aren't moved towards justice 🤦♀️
We need to pray for Keller and Sevenson. These guys are lost. Keller looks like he doesn't even want to be there. Grace, Justice and Mercy were rarely discussed. Mostly Race, Politics & White Guilt. It is embarrassing how much they missed the chance to speak of Grace. They are too politically correct and not biblically correct. They want to say all the right things to be "new age" cool. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if I am white, I am part of the problem. Shame and guilt are not a part of reconciliation with God when you are born again and saved. God takes those things away. Why should I be guilty and shameful for things I did not do? This is not a sin of my own. The systemic narrative is tragic to society and therefore it is garbage. Protecting a person that commits a crime is dangerous. I nominate Stevenson to step up and model that theory in the police force. It's just another way to control a message for political power. God rebukes these unbiblical theologies.
I guess the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ was not sufficient for Tim; to please people, he had to preach another gospel or take Bible verses out of context.
Bryan Stevenson is the downfall of our Society. Promoting Racism is not the way to get rid of Racism. SAYING that Slavery never ended, its evolved. Is extremely idiotic.
Halo Movie Music who told you that you could decide he is a downfall to society but never want to acknowledge your part in the downfall of society. The truth you don’t want to accept is that the institutional history of racism was created by your ancestors and that you benefit from that societal construct of white supremacy. A silent co-conspirator is just as quilty as the perpetrators of injustice. The truth of the sin and shame of slavery, Jim Crow, Segregation; separate and unequal. If you're too fragile to face it how do you think Black people feel in this country being stolen, brutalized, denigrated, abused and lied on to justify it? Institutionalized racism hasn't ended in America because white people benefit from this system of inequality and oppression. If there is no "other" to mistreat how would you have an identity. White supremacy and equality can't coexist in this system. When white people dismantle this system then our disdain for you may subside over time.
Ms. Harris Wow so you hate white people. 👌 ok.
Halo Movie Music you did not respond to what I said and that typical deflection "you hate white people " crap won't work here. The truth is the truth. The time has long past for games and lies. You tried to falsely accuse Mr. Stevenson. He told the truth and too many times white people want to shut Black people up when they bring up the historical facts about America and get in their feelings about discussing race. I don't like what whites have done to us as a people. The same thing was done to the Native Americans except they weren't put into 400 years of chattel slavery. I don't think they feel all that great about whites either. For the sake of your accusation that I hate white people, answer this question if you can. Why shouldn't Black people hate white people? Why in the world would whites mistreatment of Africans and their descendants make us view you as anything other than our enemy? If whites really gave a damn, it wouldn't still be the case. Y'all talk a good game but the lights in the house (America) are all on. Until you undo your system of white supremacy and oppression there is nothing else to talk about. Philando Castille was the straw that broke this camel's back as it were.
Because you don't understand it or refuse to doesn't make it idiotic. I don't think you know what racism is.
Halo Movie Music I agree with Mr. Stevenson and racism hasn’t ended it has evolved especially with our current policies and commander in office.
I do not believe in the idea of “sin”.
This is totally against what Bryan advocates about mercy.
I do not approve of having these two people together in this show.
The minister seems retrograde
It's actually not at all. Bryan is a Christian and absolutely believes in sin. It doesn't undermine his advocacy in the least.
Reverend Tim you hit the nail right on the head. We are Christian first before we are black, white, working class, upper class, Republican, Democrat. Christians of all races, class, political affiliation must first develop an attitude of "Are you not my brother" like William Wilberforce and those who fought against slave trade did in the UK and beyond. Christians must lead in the fight for justice. It will take a lot of soul searching and true repentance on all our part, but praise God we have the Holy Spirit to help us. Besides, America has already demonstrated what Christians can achieve when they pray. This is the right moment. The question I always ask is who is willing to lead this Christian movement?