Four Critical Things ALL Bike Fitters Should Do

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  • @crailwah
    @crailwah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Neil is 💯 correct on all the aspects of this incredible trade . Bike fitting is a literal art and not everyone is an artist

    • @eliteharrington7377
      @eliteharrington7377 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      As it pertains to bike fitting this man is an artist indeed. Hopefully he'll be painting masterpieces for years to come 🎨🖌🚴🏿‍♂️

  • @leebridgwater
    @leebridgwater 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Everyone needs a Neil

  • @mysho6317
    @mysho6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yet to find / experience anyone in my USA area who comes close to Neil in Expertise, Patience, Interest in Difficult cases and the ability to strike a balance between Technology & Skilled Eyes / Brain. Most won't listen to feedback because of their ego.

  • @chinaskibukowski7747
    @chinaskibukowski7747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Neil should be in charge of creating the universal bike fitting rule book. The man is an absolute fountain of knowledge.

  • @georgewilley9609
    @georgewilley9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Appreciate you and Neil for continuing to put out this content for free!!! So helpful to us new cyclists... Congrats on the new place Neil

  • @SherazChoudhary
    @SherazChoudhary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thanks, Neill! What you describe likely separates the average from the best. I have a hard time even finding a fitter that can even do an average fit. Most are stuck in the past and force long cranks, ball on foot cleat position, ect. I can do better fit than most fitters in Boston, USA by using your videos plus listening to my body.
    I may be forced to just switch back to my flat pedals as then some of the foot issues are taken out of the equation. What you describe in analyzing the feet is not something I can do and likely requires a personal visit to you. If I am ever in Australia, I am paying you a visit.

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting to hear Sheraz, thanks for sharing on the thread. Cam

  • @jungmo7576
    @jungmo7576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    its true. when you have a money back guarantee it forces you to be a better craftsman. but at the same time it also attracts genuine customer. it also allows you to fire a client and not take the money comfortably.

  • @JustaRemf
    @JustaRemf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just had my first fit. 3 score and two years old. 73" with 34" inseam. Fitment experience was "okay". I'm satisfied that the seat is in the right position and my position on the aerobars is good. Fitter did a cursory flexibility test that took 30 seconds. I don't have any impingements and am fairly flexible for an oldie so I suppose that's why it was quick. Fitter relied on the retul data. "Guarantee" wasn't stated but I get a 1 year follow-up and if I have any issues I can return, so I suppose that's as good as a guarantee. He installed a thin shim under each cleat due to pronation. No assessment of crank length or my foot position otherwise. I've slammed my cleats all the way back to move my foot forward so he didn't change that. My only complaint is that he slid the seat fwd on the rails rather than move it on the seat post. I had to measure seat position, move the seat on the post then center the rails myself. Overall I'm glad I did it, but I don't feel I had a "stanbury" experience. That's not surprising since he never heard of you... or Burt or has seen Bike Fit Tuesdays or any other youtube vid on fitting. I asked him that up front and was nonplussed when he said that. I mean, I'm a newbie and I've watched hundreds of fitting videos by everybody with a british, aussie or kiwi accent. Keep up the good work Neill.

  • @JohnSmith-mt5ok
    @JohnSmith-mt5ok ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just spent 12k aud on my bike, fit took 20 mins tops, really angry tbh, just booked a proper session with a spec fitter, cleats were pre fitted to new shoes

  • @patrickparisienne1917
    @patrickparisienne1917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do what I did: I asked Neill for a recommendation, and it turned out great!👌

  • @irvingabbott6
    @irvingabbott6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So many fitters do do those 4 key tips!! How can fitter get better with more training and with integrated cockpit

  • @gavinbutler1109
    @gavinbutler1109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome content again with Neil

  • @benhaywood2510
    @benhaywood2510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At my last fit (for a custom frame), I walked in and the fitter says "oh you have a compression"... i.e. I lean to one side (compression of torso between ribs and pelvis)... I knew I was onto a winner there and then. We also dropped my saddle by about 2.5cm as he identified I'm very inflexible at my hips. Both things were not picked up by a fit I had previously for another bike.

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting to hear Ben, thanks for sharing on this he thread.

    • @Tawnyals89
      @Tawnyals89 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you don’t mind me asking….where is it that you got this bike fit?

  • @tonypowers123
    @tonypowers123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amen to honesty!

  • @robertot.m.8747
    @robertot.m.8747 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish Neil was here in Spain! Probably best bike fitter in the world

  • @colinanderson2815
    @colinanderson2815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great and informative video, definately looking at coming over once restrictions are lifted and book some time with Neil.

  • @drnorton364
    @drnorton364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have had a couple of fits with a uk based steve hogg fitter. I have ended up with 19mm (!!) shim. It took a while to realise such a large shim was needed but it's the only way I could ride comfortably. Safe to say I am outlier (with odd looking shoes)

  • @cliftongreening4988
    @cliftongreening4988 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sweet! Will have to make a booking

  • @edsassler
    @edsassler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The rider interview and off-bike assessment have been big selling points on many of the “system” fittings - I know you spend a lot of time getting to understand the riders body before they get on the bike (because that’s your background). My first experience with that was at Retul academy (that’s what they call their fitting school) was they did the interview and assessment, learned that I have had some pretty serious back injuries, and based my entire fitting on that. When they were done, the position was unridable - these are the instructors doing the fitting! I see other fitters at my shop do the same thing, it’s painful to watch. My takeaway from this is that riding and walking are very different skill sets, how the rider supports themselves on the bike and turns the pedals can’t be overlooked. I always find myself doing off-bike assessments when I find there is something in the pedal stroke that shouldn’t be there. I also find that learned habits don’t often show up in the assessment, but they do when the pedals start turning...
    I do wish my shop would allow a money back guarantee. Much like seeing a doctor, there’s an assumption made that it probably won’t work, which is why fitters get so little feedback. I come from a coaching background, I’ve always loved having constant contact and feedback with my riders. What I’ve learned is that looking at someone on a trainer isn’t the whole story, and I’ll probably get a lot wrong on the first fitting. That’s my top reason for not offering long, expensive fittings - too much of a show for me.

  • @chrisobyrne5675
    @chrisobyrne5675 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish Neil was in the UK!

    • @drnorton364
      @drnorton364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scherrit Knoessen and Gary Kirk are in the uk. Both are Steve Hogg fitters. Scherrit is based down south near Newbury and I think Gary is Glasgow way.

  • @_AJH_
    @_AJH_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nooo I live 5 minutes away from your previous location. Oh well, good excuse for a day trip to the beach! But that commute is killer working close to home is much better!

  • @danielotero4484
    @danielotero4484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish Neil was in the northeast USA, I did a bike fit at a supposedly reparable place "Fit Werx Peobody, MA" a Christmas gift from my wife that cost her a total of $350.00... I still linger with the same problems, and when I reached out to them to get a refit, get this they told me it cost another $50/hour to dial it in. Shit if i remember correctly I was in and out in about 45min...wish they had a money-back guarantee...

  • @Drzhounder
    @Drzhounder 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a fitter I do all 4, ok 3.5. I guaranty my fits for at least a year. I can’t offer money back as I work for someone else.

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting to hear Michael, thanks for sharing on the thread. And makes sense! Cam

  • @trabink2
    @trabink2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks again for sharing your wisdom Neil, wish you were closer 🤓, good luck in you new location, maybe I'll book cycling vacation in Australia and pay you a visit!!

  • @texfromro
    @texfromro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. I know that mountain biking is not the same as road cycling... But i'm curious if you know where some good info about mtb fitting could be found. Thank you for the very good content.

  • @littler5185
    @littler5185 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff mate! You should teach a certification course on this and All bike fitters should be required to take the course. Well done, problem is finding someone here in US to follow your lead. : (

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’d love to get a fit from Neil if he weren’t on the other side of the planet! Love these videos.

  • @stephenjewitt9009
    @stephenjewitt9009 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A couple of questions, they say it would be best to get fitment before buying a bike. I have 7 bikes and still think I would like to build myself a custom bike at a frame building school overseas. I like the idea if i do that turning up with all the right dimensions, asuming it it is a keeper.
    As i am getting older, I was thinking of flexibility. Would you recommend shorter cranks as you age? Is there a way to check for optimal crank length as some go on the riders height others leg length. I was thinking it should be leg length and flexibility and even a fat gut stopping leg movement?

  • @oliviaolivia7011
    @oliviaolivia7011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a bike fitting as I had a pain between my shoulder blades hopping that it would resolve the problem Unfortunately ended up having more pain between my shoulders and my neck as well as both knees pain ! How this could have gone so wrong !? Now I am trying to make all adjustment by myself ....

  • @richscorer
    @richscorer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1) Plumb bob out, then run, 2) If they look at the "system" (cough, retul, cough) numbers and don't listen to you, then run 3) If they refer to anything they are doing as "what the pros do" for justification, then run.

    • @peteyuckly4628
      @peteyuckly4628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you provide any info on the Retul System? Your experiences? I appreciate your time!

    • @richscorer
      @richscorer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@peteyuckly4628 Sure, for context I am a tall 196cm average weight mid 90k kgs. But I have had 2 different retul fits and they set my saddle too high. (first was 86cm second was 89cm) i am now at 84cm also it leans a little long for me on reach (front of saddle to tops was 77.5 & 80cms) I am now at 76cm. I think Retul is a good start for fitting for most people but it doesn't pick up / fix issues which needs the next level up of fitting experience.

    • @peteyuckly4628
      @peteyuckly4628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richscorer thanks for the feedback! I am the same height as you. I need that next level of attention. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Very helpful.

    • @richscorer
      @richscorer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peteyuckly4628 tbh the most difference I got was from +⁴mm spds, saddle height, shoes insoles and then longer saddle, I had the s works power and it was not long enough for me to rotate my pelvis. The reach was just a bonus for comfort IMO. Good luck with your search for comfort!

    • @peteyuckly4628
      @peteyuckly4628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richscorer thanks again for the feedback. I am looking at going to a pro mechanic/fitter named Jim O'Brien in Charlotte NC. He has a great reputation and wrenched for the Bissell Pro Cont team among others. His bike fit process on his website says all the right things just like Neil Stanbury says. Right now I have a major right foot issue with discomfort and hot foot/pressure points that are causing pain. I am seeing a podiatrist and trying to work that out. It's a process...

  • @barracculousfatherc7691
    @barracculousfatherc7691 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's your take on Retül bike fits services?

  • @marcbuchel4873
    @marcbuchel4873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cyclists nodules ... They can be extremely painful and annoying ... Whenever I bring my training volume up to 15h+ per week a small cluster of nodules starts to form to the left of my perineum. Would you have a bike fitter have a look at my position on my bike or are there other things could have overlooked next to the obvious ones such as saddle, shape of shammy, ...??
    I'd be extremely happy about some solid advice as I've not been able to figure this out for years and it's basically what limits my training hours on the bike 😥

  • @eliteharrington7377
    @eliteharrington7377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As we say in Trinidad and Tobago the most southerly islands of the Caribbean in local palance "This fella know his onions." He has bike fitting down to a science 🚴🏿‍♂️

  • @chrisc7262
    @chrisc7262 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! Amazing advice Neil, thank you!

  • @mikejones3692
    @mikejones3692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Highly recommend Bike Fiit in Toronto if your in this area. Checks off all these boxes. Very thorough and going back for my 2nd fit on 2nd bike.

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing on the thread Mike

    • @cabeenz
      @cabeenz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will be going back for my 3rd session with my bike fitter (ibfi certified) to solve my problems.
      it's actually not the amount of money spent, but I just want to enjoy my ride.
      I wish you were in my country to do the bike fit for me.

    • @runnerchom
      @runnerchom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mike, do you mean Fitt 1st with Scott?

    • @mikejones3692
      @mikejones3692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@runnerchom yes. That's the place.

  • @susana.7803
    @susana.7803 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh boy I would be so self-conscious if Neill or any other bike fitter was manipulating my nasty feet that much…however I’d also gladly quarantine for two weeks to have the opportunity to work with him! 👏🏻

  • @sheen675
    @sheen675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I´m going to be fitted in 2 weeks. I´m wondering how the fit twill be and for sure I will observe if the fitter does not pay much attention to some of those points I might ask. Especially differences between legs, symetry and foot. I´m having pain in my right knee. thanks for this channel!

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good luck with the fit 👍

    • @sheen675
      @sheen675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roadcyclingacademy thanks :)

  • @Lemond75
    @Lemond75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video gents. Like Cam, I have a 6mm shim under one of my cleats, but find there is a lot of lateral rocking on the pedal (Speedplay). I’ve checked the baseplate is flat, but still can’t resolve the issue. This creates a large amount of instability on that pedal, and I wondered if Neill has seen this, and how I might correct it? Thanks

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully Neill can get to this one for you mate, Cam

  • @OldDavo1950
    @OldDavo1950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well if ever I can get up there, book me in.

  • @Draculapin
    @Draculapin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too bad I’m not in Australia. Any recommendation for bike fitters in Canada ?

  • @f1fort3
    @f1fort3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing content, love the way he explains! I have a question about the leg length discrepancy... I've been consulting with a chiropractor and there is a leg discrepancy I've been working with adjustments and pilates practice to keep this adjustments. My question to Neil is: Is this shim correction method "strengthening" some of muscle weakness that might should be worked as it's compensating for that? (sorry about my english, not a native speaker hahah)

  • @amgamg6011
    @amgamg6011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Niel is amazing!!

  • @nickyburnell
    @nickyburnell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info as always. Met Gotz Heine a couple of years ago and moved cleats back fully (MTB). Adjusted other stuff to compensate and cured a lot of stuff for me. (Torn l5 l4 pseudo cramp thing). Anyhow, question is can a fitter do a good fit with MTB type cleats? Plenty tourists and not race cyclists prefer this. Many thanks

  • @sandrofso
    @sandrofso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks a lot for this super informative video, I'm looking for a bike fitter in London for a while and the variation in session length, price and covered analysis is huge, making a decision really difficult. This will help a lot to filter good professionals from noise out there. By the way, any recommendations for London will be much appreciated.

    • @mysho6317
      @mysho6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Neil is the Best I've ever seen & his descriptions in understandable terms are SO helpful. - London - This Fitter I would also say does an excellent job -too in explaining & not relying on digital "stuff" to help someone
      th-cam.com/video/RNLQY6gBZsg/w-d-xo.html
      Note - Cade's Channel presents Bike Fit Tuesdays which offers a serious of Fit Videos on various topics that are excellent .......
      Just found saw the Fitter's (James) website = www.bicyclerichmond.co.uk/bike-fit

    • @drnorton364
      @drnorton364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scherrit Knoessen 'the bike whisperer' is based near oxford. He is a steve hogg fitter like Niel.

    • @sandrofso
      @sandrofso 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks a lot for the recommendation@@mysho6317, I follow Cade as well and have watched some of his Bike fit episodes, they are great. Unfortunately, bookings with James start from September and I'm trying to sort a knee pain issue quite earlier than that.

    • @sandrofso
      @sandrofso 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indded @@drnorton364, I found him from the Steve Hogg website, seems really solid. I know it's a money worth investing but £350 is quite a lot for a PhD researcher budget :P
      To be fair, his service is the longest I've seen at around 6h whle the average consultation is between 2-3h

    • @drnorton364
      @drnorton364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For me I had to see him as my issues were very unusual due to old injuries. If you are an outlier he is definitely worth it.

  • @michealskillman6498
    @michealskillman6498 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Going to a fitter next week. I have always had a shorter leg. Is a cleat shim the most common “fix”? My fitter did not address my cleats in my last fitting.

  • @peteyuckly4628
    @peteyuckly4628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love Neil's videos!! Can Neil comment on the Retul System? Pros/Cons etc. Keep up the great content!!

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He did in this one mate th-cam.com/video/ewQ3FI_u5nY/w-d-xo.html

    • @peteyuckly4628
      @peteyuckly4628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roadcyclingacademy thanks Cam!

  • @akhwanmuntaha
    @akhwanmuntaha 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks master for these things..👍

  • @rafraf3032
    @rafraf3032 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys...how would you solve leg discrepancy on mtb spd pedals???

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Questions for Neill, hope he can get to it for you Raf.

  • @DerekKaye
    @DerekKaye 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who would you recommend to for a bike fit in Melbourne?

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try Tommy Nankervis +61 424 994 131

    • @DerekKaye
      @DerekKaye 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roadcyclingacademy Thank you very much!

  • @LukeGJPotter
    @LukeGJPotter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does Neil use the Kinetica Rock and Roll trainer for a specific reason?
    Does it work better than a standard fixed trainer to show bike riding issues?

  • @JibbaJabber
    @JibbaJabber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds like Neil loves a challenge. I would love to turn up and see if he could spot & resolve my issues without me telling him. #CyclingSleuth
    Might have to fly over when we open up! #ChallengeNeil

  • @Duc2B
    @Duc2B 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does Neil think about ISM saddles, which remove pressure on soft tissues?

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully Neill can get to this one Thomas. Obviously you would be aware he likes the SQ labs for this issue too. Cam

  • @lauig
    @lauig 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ok, this video is very dangerous, for your bank account makes a european guy wanna book a flight overseas to meet him and enjoy his level of expertise on proper bikefitting 😁

  • @ryandorris7144
    @ryandorris7144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where is the bug mate?Ha Ha you guys are hilarious.Great video with alot of good tips.Thanks guys

  • @Rama-wx7yu
    @Rama-wx7yu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder what Neil’s rates are for a proper bike fit?

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think around $400 AUD for the 3 hour fit which includes the quality inner soles. He needs increase his rates I personally feel! Cam

  • @jonathanfroggatt5865
    @jonathanfroggatt5865 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any recommendations for a bike fitter in Sydney????

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you looked up Steve Hoggs accredited fitters? I believe there was one floating around in Sydney. Cam

    • @peterlivanes8193
      @peterlivanes8193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Aaron Dunford at Fusion Peak

  • @ramellisred3128
    @ramellisred3128 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do we really need those fancy hi-tech equipment, from those sensors, motion tracking and all to arrive at a “perfect” bike fit?

    • @roadcyclingacademy
      @roadcyclingacademy  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nope, i good eye and understanding of biomechanics is key

    • @ramellisred3128
      @ramellisred3128 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Road Cycling Academy that sounds awesome! Am a recreational cyclist trying to get the gist of bike fitting and there is a debate that a real bike fit requires those equipment

  • @PeterPutz82
    @PeterPutz82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If a bike fitter gets out the plumb bob, leave.

  • @1001legoboy
    @1001legoboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish doctors would give money back!