When you look at the definition of the word accident, it simply do not apply to this situation. These people were killed........by bad decisions taken for economical reasons.
This video, and presenter, brushes lightly and quickly over NASA's huge culpability in pushing this launch, against engineers clamoring not to launch. We give it 5 out of 10 stars
I know the managers hold some responsibility for challenging the information and asking the engineers to prove it would fail rather than prove it was safe but a lot of the engineers changed what they originally said. They were all under a lot of pressure to keep sending shuttles into space by the government too so they’re partly to blame. All projects have to balance cost, time and quality. If you prioritize 1 you compromise the rest. They prioritized time and the quality suffered. A lot of people were to blame which is probably why no one was prosecuted.
None of the engineers changed their position, it were the Thiokol managers who overruled them. Allan McDonald even refused to sign the launch recommendation, so the vice president Joe Kilminster had to sign it and fax it to NASA. The managers hold _all_ the responsibility, not just some!
The worst thing about this whole incident is that the astronauts were not consulted; in fact, they were not even informed about the teleconference the night before. THAT'S how much they were valued by those in charge. I cannot fathom why they were not told, other than that Cmdr. Scobee very likely would have refused to fly until it warmed up. I think the presenter in this video was remarkably transparent regarding the truth. As she is a NASA representative, that gives me hope. There has evidently been a shift in thinking since Challenger and Columbia.
The commission was put together to create a cover up that the White House told NASA to launch that day regardless of Morton Thiokol recommendations to NOT launch below 53 degrees. It was 27 degrees that day. Nasa knew this and launched anyway.
actually they may have had a better chance if that happened because the explosion separated the crew module from the tanks. So they may have just been blown away from the explosion
When the people who built the rockets that shoot the shuttle into space tell the higher ups not to launch because its to cold you listen this wasnt a car this was a space shuttle if everything on it isnt working perfect you will have a tradegy and thats what happened
Also the reason they had test pilots fly the shuttle or any space vehicles is because these are test vehicles they are not proven systems. Challenger had only flown 12x the External tank had only flown 1x and the boosters had flew a couple of times I think. But compare that to a airliner that flys hundreds of test flights before it will ever carry passengers. That’s why most airline crashes are pilot error because all the serious issues were worked out before passengers stepped onboard. People have got to understand. After the crash everybody screamed rape but the reality is all those engineers (*THAT WERE SO GOD DAMN WORRIED ABOUT IT!*” they told the nasa guy They are GO for launch. If you 100% know it’s gonna blow up why the hell would you change your answer for even god himself.
A tragedy is sitting on a park bench and getting hit by a car that runs off the road and kills you and your kids. Or getting tboned by a truck while driving your kids to Disney land. Dying doing what you signed up for or dying doing what you love. Dying in a position you put yourself in.. that’s not a tragedy. If you think it is you have no business doing whatever that is. I raced for 20yrs and everytime someone would get killed you would hear idiots calling it a tragedy and it’s just disrespectful. I’m in aviation though as well and losing friends in flying accidents. I don’t understand how dying doing what you signed up for is a tragedy. I see a tragedy as something that’s completely unpreventable and just happened to you out of the blue. Putting yourself in a rocket or airplane or race car you willingly took that risk so i don’t understand it.
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after all these years still cant believe noone esp managers wasnt held accountable
When you look at the definition of the word accident, it simply do not apply to this situation. These people were killed........by bad decisions taken for economical reasons.
@@ekl2947 We say "incident" in the US, too. The powers that be were just trying to cover up for themselves, that's all.
This video, and presenter, brushes lightly and quickly over NASA's huge culpability in pushing this launch, against engineers clamoring not to launch. We give it 5 out of 10 stars
Well when NASA is signing the checks, they aren't going to admit fault.
Who is "we" ?
This is the first time I've seen this. Thank you so much.
Thank you for a great lecture!
They where alive until they hit the water. Multiples sources have stated that as fact
I know the managers hold some responsibility for challenging the information and asking the engineers to prove it would fail rather than prove it was safe but a lot of the engineers changed what they originally said.
They were all under a lot of pressure to keep sending shuttles into space by the government too so they’re partly to blame. All projects have to balance cost, time and quality. If you prioritize 1 you compromise the rest.
They prioritized time and the quality suffered.
A lot of people were to blame which is probably why no one was prosecuted.
None of the engineers changed their position, it were the Thiokol managers who overruled them. Allan McDonald even refused to sign the launch recommendation, so the vice president Joe Kilminster had to sign it and fax it to NASA.
The managers hold _all_ the responsibility, not just some!
The worst thing about this whole incident is that the astronauts were not consulted; in fact, they were not even informed about the teleconference the night before. THAT'S how much they were valued by those in charge. I cannot fathom why they were not told, other than that Cmdr. Scobee very likely would have refused to fly until it warmed up.
I think the presenter in this video was remarkably transparent regarding the truth. As she is a NASA representative, that gives me hope. There has evidently been a shift in thinking since Challenger and Columbia.
Danced right around who was responsible huh...
the NASA officials responsible should have all gone to prison
Those astronauts did not have to die. It was not an accident.
It was negligence!!
Wow 😳! I am speechless 😶
I can see pictures of the shuttle columbia crew.
Excellent video.
It's good that the US had a decent President at the time who helped the nation cope with it all.
The commission was put together to create a cover up that the White House told NASA to launch that day regardless of Morton Thiokol recommendations to NOT launch below 53 degrees. It was 27 degrees that day. Nasa knew this and launched anyway.
Reagan wanted the launch so he could brag about it that night during the speech to the nation
Yes Ma'am the Liquid Hydrogen, the greater volume of the 2 liquids, was in the bottom
RIP to them
pretty lucky didn't explode on the pad
All that would have meant was that crew would have had a 73 second shorter life span.
actually they may have had a better chance if that happened because the explosion separated the crew module from the tanks. So they may have just been blown away from the explosion
If it exploded on the pad they had a chance to survive since they died when they hit the water. They were unlucky it didn't explode before the launch
When the people who built the rockets that shoot the shuttle into space tell the higher ups not to launch because its to cold you listen this wasnt a car this was a space shuttle if everything on it isnt working perfect you will have a tradegy and thats what happened
Who ever gave the approved to launched.. Should be in jail
What a cover up talk. Astounding.
Also the reason they had test pilots fly the shuttle or any space vehicles is because these are test vehicles they are not proven systems. Challenger had only flown 12x the External tank had only flown 1x and the boosters had flew a couple of times I think. But compare that to a airliner that flys hundreds of test flights before it will ever carry passengers. That’s why most airline crashes are pilot error because all the serious issues were worked out before passengers stepped onboard. People have got to understand. After the crash everybody screamed rape but the reality is all those engineers (*THAT WERE SO GOD DAMN WORRIED ABOUT IT!*” they told the nasa guy They are GO for launch. If you 100% know it’s gonna blow up why the hell would you change your answer for even god himself.
A tragedy is sitting on a park bench and getting hit by a car that runs off the road and kills you and your kids. Or getting tboned by a truck while driving your kids to Disney land. Dying doing what you signed up for or dying doing what you love. Dying in a position you put yourself in.. that’s not a tragedy. If you think it is you have no business doing whatever that is. I raced for 20yrs and everytime someone would get killed you would hear idiots calling it a tragedy and it’s just disrespectful. I’m in aviation though as well and losing friends in flying accidents. I don’t understand how dying doing what you signed up for is a tragedy. I see a tragedy as something that’s completely unpreventable and just happened to you out of the blue. Putting yourself in a rocket or airplane or race car you willingly took that risk so i don’t understand it.
I had a O ring fail me once I Named him Zaccary 😋
They are still alive though..
Indeed. I even made a video on the subject that makes a very strong case for that: th-cam.com/video/xqb63rkm7g0/w-d-xo.html
I can watch this now, don't push it through ice, design was not used .clamp design not used.
Soo sad , design never used,drumm head type clamp,drawn up before disaster!
What a whitewash speech.
Managers who overrode engineers saying "don't lauch" should be in jail.