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Eps 365: A New Twist on Twist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In today’s episode, I answer listener questions, talk silencers and buck fever, and teach viewers how to hunt pronghorn properly.
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Mr. Ron, as far as the episode lengths go, I wish you would put up a one hour episode every day! I just love listening to the way that you talk, you definitely have a Bob Ross-esque voice. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
One hour once a week is great🎉🎉 Greetings from Denmark, Scandinavia❤
Hi Ron. 60 minute videos is great. That way you can get all the info out in one show.
Hello Ron, the .17 Hornet is the other 17 you might be thinking of. Again as always I really enjoy your show. As of the question about suppressors I think it would be a really good idea especially if you include in the discussion which states it is legal to own and use them. Thanks again for all that you do.
Ron, with all the short-form video platforms saturating the internet, your long-form videos are a breath of fresh air. Keep them coming! Explore the tangents and tell your stories, because that's what I keep coming back for!
Hi Ron, great video as usual! My vote is to stay with the 60 minute videos. I really enjoy them. Since you are one of my favor gun shows on TH-cam, 30 minutes would go by too fast. Sorry Betsy for asking for the longer videos, but you do a great job with the camera recording Ron's shows. God Bless!
I vote for two 60minute videos a week
Yes, twist is length of bullet based. Monolith bullets are longer for a given weight=FASTER TWIST NEEDED generally.
Ron, I love your content. I subscribed to both of your TH-cam channels about 8 months ago. You’re a wealth of information. I love your humility. I’ve learned a lot from you so far.
I’m of the mind set that you can never have enough information, so yes I’d love to see you do a video on suppressors.
Also it doesn’t matter to me whether your episodes are 10 minutes or 2 hours. The info you give to your viewers is invaluable. If I lived in Idaho, I’d gladly help you and Betsy out. Some day when I’m retired I hope to move to northern Idaho.
Ron, I am a young guy that might be a little outside your “normal” demographic for viewers/listeners. BUT… I really appreciate the long-form content and all the wisdom you share with us. Thank you.
I like the 60 min cast. I can always stop it if need be and then finish it later. I often listen while I'm fooling around on my guitars . Good stuff . I always come away learning new things .
As an aside, I currently own four suppressors from Silencer Central and love them! Well made and extremely effective. I hunt .30-06 and the suppression and recoil reduction are outstanding! I put a B46 on my .450 Bushmaster and shooting subs makes it sound like a pellet gun. I have to save what hearing I have left.
I'm 59 years old, I've been hunting since I was 12, and could not tell you how many times I've had Buck fever. How many times I've missed just deer in general. Not even a buck, and I still get excited to this day about seeing a deer when I'm able to harvest it, my thing for Buck fever is if I have my son there with me who is 23 years old or my 21-year-old son, I know I'm not going to shoot before him so my Buck fever is still elevated but I try to talk in my son into taking his time so my Buck fever is controlled by having my son there with me. Instead of me taking the shot I let him take the shot!!!! Which that's what it's all about!!!!
Yes, run the suppressors
For me when it came to buck fever, it has just been time and maturity. I can actually hear my one breathing and notice the barrel going up and down through the scope. Once I hit that point in my life I became self aware. It also helps that I got my 1st wall hanger 26 years ago and after getting him, came a lifetime's worth of satisfaction and no longer get wound up at the sight of a buck.
I learned in the army that I could calm down in a tense situation by simply saying "CALM!" to myself. It works for me when I see a deer. Just say to yourself "Calm" and feel your blood pressure go down. It does work in other situations and can save you from silly mistakes.
In New Zealand 90% of our deer hunting is spot and stalk or bush stalking…….so much fun
Thanks Ron for trying to address the not so easy questions. I think most of the sportsmen that listen or watch your videos are hardworking honest folks. That’s the issue with less than truthful advertising. I understand Hornady has changed powder that gave the fps on the box once you change the powder the box’s isn’t correct and 50 fps is about as much as you should expect anyone to let you slide on being off. Would you shoot a load that’s over 50’ off. I don’t believe so. You should get whatever you’re promised. Man’s word !!! Thanks
Someday could we discuss the .338-06 ASquare and loading for it??? I am a CA/ID res!! Palm Springs area/Spirit Lake
If you’re going mid sized game deer or maybe elk and getting medium 200-300ish yards you can go 185gr and be very successful after finding the right speed node, bigger game and safe ranges you can slap a 230gr in and handle most anything. Get the right twist rate, proper powder and threaded barrel going shorter ranges you can throw in the 285-315gr and suppress it with decent noise reduction.
I always spot and stalk antelope. My closest shot was 50yds with a win model 88 308, my longest was 300yds with a 300wby Ruger no1. Great times. As you said, get high glass and spot and stalk. I never tried the burlap, decoys or flagging.
After 60 years of deer hunting I found that ignoring the anters and aiming at the imagined position of the heart has put venison in the freezer each year.
Ron - in addition to those questions to Brandon Maddox of silencer central, please also ask him sound suppression differences between several of his Banish models. For instance, used on the same AR pistol (6.75” barreled Sig Sauer Rattler), what is sound suppression differences between Banish 30 in 9” configuration, Banish 30 in 7” configuration, and Banish Backcountry (5.5”). I would like to buy another suppressor for my 300 Blackout. I’d like to get max detectable sound suppression with the smallest suppressor and can’t get a straight answer.
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Or the brave browser.
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On the subject of suppressors...
Yes please. I have been thinking about maybe getting one. But I want to know more about them before laying down any money..
On a thin fixed-income.
Hi Ron,
A deep dive into suppressors would be great to hear from you. There is plenty of resources on this topic but your view with its uses in hunting specifically would be appreciated!
Thank you for all the incredible insights and advice.
-Brian from MI
I'd buy unprimed brass, neck size to create a false shoulder, jam bullets slightly and fireform. Check for headspace and/or pressure signs.
I asked 2 yrs ago for suppressor video, so I would still like it.
We're working on it.
Barrel length matters. As does twist rate for velocity.
While twist rate does make a difference, it’s not a difference that’s really worth talking about.
@@jaydunbar7538exactly. I talked with the folks at cooper arms on my 28 Nosler and they said going from 1:9 to 1:8.25 would cost me 4-8fps. I'm getting over 3100fps with a 175gr ABLR.
@@jaydunbar7538 it is important. The heavier the bullet, the faster the twist needed to stabilize.
@@NelsonZAPTMthe length of the bullet* and that has nothing to do with velocity that we are talking about
@@WayStedYou heavier/longer/higher BC. Same difference.
What exactly is your point about velocity v twist?
More on suppressors, please!!
Hey Ron, forget the 30 or 60 minute shows and go for the hour and a half show. I for one want MORE not less. I like when you go off topic, well I guess you never really go off topic, I think while you are talking about something, you just think of some interesting tidbits of info that pertains to it. I like when you do that, because I always learn something new when you do. I can never have to much information. Well that's my 2 cents Ron. Hour and a half is the way to go👍🏼. Thanks Ron!
Would definitely love to hear your thoughts on silencers for hunting rifles! looking forward to the future episode!
I would love to see an interview from the guy from silencer central
It was also my understanding that the 7mm Mauser used a Spitzer bullet also. Ill have to check, but i thought that Roosevelt mentioned this in book. This war is what prompted us to make the 30-03, then 30-06.
The 7mm Mauser used a 173gr "full patch" round-nose bullet.
I grew tired of using MY chronograph (s).....
It always showed that I was lying to myself!
It does show load uniformity (on THAT day, at that elevation, temps, etc...)
I was super pumped about the 7PRC but with how finicky it can be (more barrel cleaning) and disclaimed velocity……I dont handload
Get a 6.8 western, youll be much happier
With antelope, try the old indian method. Find the antelope, while still a hood way away snuggle into a good hide, raise a white cloth about 8-12” square, bucks will see the white and think its another white tail of another male and will come to check it out!!!!!
If you have a good topic that you're interested in 50+ is fine.....quick 30's are good also
As far as the 30-06/30-06AI I’d recommend saving your fired brass and find a 30-06AI set of reloading dies. The fired brass is now fitted to your particular rifle (and only that rifle). As long as you do a thorough inspection on your brass. Check for any signs of excessive expansion especially around the case head area and any cracks or splitting around the neck or shoulder. If that’s all good your rifle should be fine. I’d did a quick check on line and mid south shooters has 30-06 AI loading dies in stock for 106.99. I’d grab them now as they aren’t easy to find.
The main issue is whether the chamber was cut so deep that case separation will be an issue. Using a SAMMI 30-06 "go gage" as the no-go for a 30-06AI is a common practice, so it is likely that his chamber is too deep. The big question is how much too deep. The 30-06 AI chamber is cut slightly shallower than the standard one to ensure that there is a slight crush fit with an unimproved 30-06 case. This holds the case in place on initial firing as it fireforms to fit the AI chamber. Traditionally, when a standard chamber is re-reamed to an Ackley Improved one, the barrel is set back one thread. My guess is that this barrel was re-reamed but not set back.
@@jfess1911
Good point. I didn’t realize they set the barrel back one thread. Always room to learn something new from TH-cam. Thank you!
@@buddy22801012 @buddy22801012 I actually learned that from a comment on TH-cam, but have since bought a book (paper pages and all!) on Ackley cartridges. Ackley was a professional gunsmith and would suggest to clients that he could save them some money by setting back an old barrel and get them some more oomph by rechambering them in an "Improved" cartridge. It was serious money no matter which option they chose.
I am curious, though, about barrels that are headspaced with a barrel nut, like Savages. Since we are only talking about 4 or so thousandths of an inch, I wonder if no gunsmithing would be needed since the chamber could probably be done by hand. Heck, if all else fails, you might be able to "set back" a Savage with just a file, a wrench, and some headspace gages!
If you look at the SAAMI drawings of 280 vs 280AI, you can see that the neck was moved back to allow the "crush fit" of standard 280 Rem cases. Since I am a NERD, I learned that the SAAMI 280 AI was sponsored by Nosler, who modified it slightly from Ackley's original design. They tweaked it a bit, mainly to make it easier to manufacture cases for it (they are an ammo manufacturer after all).
Yes interested in silencers for hunting.
Just a note on the twist rate and bullet construction info. Bullet construction does matter with twist precisely for the reasons you pointed out, bullet length changes with construction material. A 150gr monolithic bullet is going to be longer than a 150gr lead core bullet. I think you probably addressed his concern though by addressing the fact that lighter/shorter bullets will be just fine with a faster twist
I agree with Thomas, hunt small game. Conditions you to seeing game you want to take. I hunt squirrel with a 22 LR. Will make you a better off hand shooter and a wizard at finding/ following game with an optic. I Hunt squirrel with an Rem. 572 pump rifle using a 4X optic. If you can follow a bushy tail thru tree branches/tops, following large game becomes alot easier.
You will get used to missing also.😊
I vote that he answers his Patreon members questions!
Howdy everyone
Yes. We are interested in suppressors. But don’t mess with Silencer Central. They like to sell their house brand and only seek a few others. Silencer shop is better with way more options.
Ron was incorrect about the 30-06 AI, but when discussing Ackley Improved chambers, the semantics of headspace get confusing. Short Version: Ackley Improved cartridges headspace at the neck-shoulder junction for the "un-improved" parent cases and on the shoulder for improved ones. I suspect that the rifle in question was not chambered correctly and the barrel was not "set back" after re-chambering. It was probably returned to the gun shop as "new" when its original owner realized this mistake. It might not be dangerous though. A good gunsmith can tell if it can be used safely.
Long Version: It is important to understand that there is a difference between what the headspace DOES (which is prevent the case from moving farther forward in the chamber) and how it is typically MEASURED, which, on a 30-06, is the distance from the bolt face to the "datum line", a ring of 0.375" diameter located part-way down the case shoulder. The distance from the bolt face to the datum line of the SAAMI 30-06 and the 30-06AI are different. This difference can be seen with the only SAAMI Ackley Improved cartridge, the 280 AI.* If you compare the SAAMI drawings for the 280 Rem and 280 Ackley Improved, the steeper angle of the shoulder on the AI cartridge moves the datum line farther from the base. You will also notice that the distance from the bolt face to the beginning of the neck is slightly shorter on the AI chamber.
Ackley Improved cases have less body taper and sharper shoulders than their parents. Ackley needed some way to prevent an unmodified case from sliding forward in the chamber when its primer was struck, so he decided to create a crush-fit at the junction of the shoulder and the neck. To do this, the neck of the AI chamber was moved back a little. In order "to move the neck back" on a barrel that has already been chambered, the back end of the barrel needs to be cut off and the barrel set back some distance. That is the step that was probably not done with the rifle in question. With a Winchester Model 70, the barrel screws into the receiver until stopped by the barrel shoulder. When the barrel is "set back", that shoulder needs to be moved as well. This requires more equipment and expertise than just modifying a chamber with a reamer.
The 30-06AI rifle may not be dangerous, but should be checked out by a gunsmith with a good bore scope to see the condition of the chamber and throat. They may have been damaged during the re-chambering. If the chamber is just a little too deep but otherwise OK, there are various methods to fireform cases for it (including the "bullet jam" method). The gunsmith may well say that everything is OK as long as the bolt won't close on a standard 30-06 "No Go gage", but I am not certain. The main concern is case stretch and head separation. It is possible that the Model 70's controlled round feed system will hold the case well enough to prevent this from happening, but I really don't know (all my rifles are push-feed).
The technique of using a standard 30-06 "Go gage" as a no-go for the AI is common although not the only way to do it. The neck of a properly cut AI chamber should be closer to the bolt face, so it will contact the nose of a standard 30-06 headspace gage and prevent bolt closure. This assures the "crush fit" of a unmodified 30-06 case.
*FWIW, I have read that the SAAMI 280AI chamber is slightly different from Ackley's own version, but they are similar enough for this discussion. Nevertheless, both can shoot standard 280 ammo.
You've pretty much covered it here.
If the barrel was not set back a thread when the chamber was modifed, a solution would be to take virgin brass and make a false shoulder for a crush-fit, then fireform. People talk about jambing projectiles into the lands, but I've had better results making a false shoulder.
@@jasonshults368 What size do you prefer to neck up to in order to make the false shoulder?
I love your videos I personally right sixty minute videos are awesome keep on keeping on Godspeed
Hey Ron,as far as the buck fever problem,one thing that helped me,believe it or not,was jump shooting cottontails,When you don't have a dog to chase them,and you're just walking along and bust out from under you,it's hard to get your composure and get a good shot off.Now I would say the same thing about quail,but I never did get use to them busting out from under your feet.I got some like that,but my nerves were always shocked when a covey come up.😃 Great show,keep em coming.
Hi Ron, excellent episode as always! While it definitely makes sense to want to match twist rate to bullet length, I can kind of see where the viewer was coming from in concerns about bullet construction. With different materials having different densities, a different center of mass can be achieved, which would mean that the load from the air resistance on the face of the bullet would form a longer moment from the center of mass, about which the bullet would spin. However, if a bullet were to be monolithic or had a thin enough jacket that the core sort of "dominates" the center of mass calculations (especially with something as dense as lead as the core), I wouldn't imagine this to have much more than a nominal effect.
The one other aspect that had confounded me for a while (and since I haven't seen much discussion on it, I guess it's a non-issue in the real world) would have been whether the mass of the bullet - and therefore its differences in static and dynamic inertia - could keep the bullet from actually matching twist rate. While forward momentum would be easily imparted (with all that pressure behind the bullet and a stiff bore around it, there isn't really anywhere else for it to go), I'd wondered whether it might have been possible for the bullet to initially "skip" over some of the rifling grooves at first while starting through the barrel, picking up some rotational momentum but maybe not enough to match the twist rate, especially since a lot of modern bullet's don't include the hollow section in the tail as you might expect for a Minie ball to force engagement with the rifling. I'd figured a lighter bullet (or a less dense bullet, as this would assume the same length of engagement with the rifling) would be easier to get spun up while traveling through the rifling, and that might lend to a difference in stability since the effective final spin rate might have differed. I guess a long enough barrel would give the bullet ample time to reach the rotational velocity to match the twist rate, which is probably why this doesn't get brought up (and why I imagine it's not really an issue after all, and was a misconception on my part).
I think it might be cool if folks with high-speed cameras would be able to see whether denser bullets exit a muzzle with a different spin rate than bullets with less density. It might also be interesting to see objective data collected comparing groups of bullets of different lengths and masses (and different construction) through barrels of different twist rates, but which are otherwise identical, so that while people might still discuss the actual effects by which rifling and bullet lengths affect flight stability, debates about the relationships between these might be put to bed. I've seen a handful of comments in videos about twist rates where people are less than friendly to each other and effectively saying that Person A is wrong because they contradict Person B, but it can be a lot harder to argue against data which had been taken properly. Although if I had to bet, I'd be inclined to agree with you that with a reasonable twist rate for a given caliber, most ammunition will stabilize consistently enough with other ammo (aside from extremes) that for most people, it might not be worth chasing down the exact, absolute perfect twist rate for every given bullet.
Anyway, I guess this is just a long-winded comment about an effect of tertiary importance at most, but which might have given some explanation as to where some of the confusion might have come from. Pleased with another good video!
All the best,
Dan from PA
On the M70 3006 AI ?
Thanks very much for the Gentlemans Service n God Blessings to him.
He from what you've read on here,was bought as new 9yrs ago. N Was a Ulitmate Shadow.?
Am no expert n but do love my M70s.
This sounds like a New Haven made rifle as Far as I know n recall The Ultimate Shadow didnt return when Winchester came back in 09 in SC n since moved to Portugal.
Which lead to 1 of 2 possibles in my Thinking.
1 It was a excellent shape rifle bought before 06 that somebody had it rechambered n box it up with all papers etc n shop sold it as new.As you mentioned Ron. Yes saddly some shops do sell new in box that are actually used ughhhh
2 Winchester as others have at times made speical runs or Distributors Shot Shows etc etc these arent often catalog or listed on there websites.
Its possible this could be one. However it would be marked AI on barrel on or Box.
Now for the 3rd n real outside
Box thought.
If my 1 is correct. In that its a New Haven made. Its an real outside possibility That it could be a pieced together from remaining stock when N.Haven shut down..
I have seen reportsof a few odd ball they did.. like FWTs that were Push Feeds not the Catloged Classics..??? All on Box BTW
No matter is interesting . I To hope he gets it checked out n at point figured out.
Add my vote to a deep dive on suppressers
Beautiful hide on the table. Would love to hear the story behind the hunt!
The screen you spoke about is I believe a good stalking style. Remember my friend. We must stalk in different ways in different terain. A good plan, especially for does. But bucks are nice as well.
I've not had the opportunity to hunt the Prarie goat. But I want you.😀
I learn a lot here , I only shoot factory ammo . Reloaded years ago I’m just not into it . All my shots are under 300 nothing ever goes past 20 or 30 yards . I stick to 2 rifles and fill all my tags every year in my state . I shoot every week at different ranges . I went to Barnes ttsx bullet last year for my 308 . Great bullet . 6.5 cm in129sst kills every deer and bear it hits . Mostly under 200 . I’m fortunate to absorb information and put it to practice and take it to the feild . Hunting is my passion .
When you do your feild dressing videos, include the gutless method also.
Can only speak to what worked for me for buck fever but it comes down to reps on the range. Make it about muscle memory so your brain can work on autopilot while you are trying to hit your target.
IMHO, the best solution to buck fever is plenty of range time. A rifle is no different than any other tool. Just like a hammer to a carpenter, if a hunter doesn't spend a great deal of time using their rifle, they're far less likely to gain a sense of confidence with it. In fact, just the opposite is often the case when the rifle offers little or no peace of mind. They might just as well be shooting a loaner rifle. As you noted, the hunter who spends a lot of time at the range is also far more likely to draw his/her attention to a specific point on the animal, almost as if it had a target painted or hanging on it. Everything else becomes secondary to that spot they aim to hit with a bullet.
GOOD SHOW SIR
24:46 but… the density of the bullet material does make a difference in the length of the bullet for a given bullet weight. I understood the question to mean just that. He is pointing out that a monolithic bullet (presumably copper) will be longer in a 150gr bullet than will a conventional, lead core bullet will be, assuming similar profile, say a boat tail with a long ogive. Anyway, that’s what I heard in the question.
2-30 would be interesting i like both.
What is the optimum depth for any given bullet? I tend to think that it is to line up the point where the boat tail begins with the bottom of the neck. What say you? I know this is not possible with many rifle chambers.
If you get a custom barrel with a custom throat, you can set the headspace to whatever you think is the best. As long as your magazine (if we're talking repeaters) can handle the cartridge length.
Test barrels for velocity specs are normally 4 to 6 inches longer and sometimes have a lower twist rate.
No they are Sami min spec with the recommended barrel length
I think in general the more overbore the cartridge the more velocity you will lose by shortening the barrel?
Sounds like you are saying the higher the twist rate the more accurate the bullet? Ron, does this also affect bullet speed?
Two 30 minute episodes a week would be awesome.
But isn't the shakes all into learning to hunt missing will make ya better
I have always taken factory printed velocities with a grain of salt. I've seen different rifles of the same caliber shoot 100 feet per second differently from each other. Plus the test barrels that the factory uses are different and they fire them at a distance of 15 ft. through an Oehler model 35 P with model 55 skyscreens for velocity measurements. Also all of this is done under strictly controlled lab conditions. I've always looked for accuracy first in a round whether it be in factory ammo or my reloads. I find what shoots the most accurately and then sight in for maximum point blank range and that has always served me well.
Roger, you're so pragmatic and reasonable. How do you manage? 😉
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast my dad drummed it into my head as a kid when he was teaching me how to reload. I would read stuff and he was quick to point out that was what they got with that gun when they tested it. He always wanted his guns to be dead on at around 300 yards with his main gun being a model 70 Alaskan .338 Win Mag. It worked for him for years so I just do what he taught me.
Buffalo Bore and Underwood ammo are both as advertised on the box. All other's maybe fudging the numbers for all I know.
75 - 90% of shooters don't have a cronograph. Who cares. Most shooters just grab their fav. box of ammo, and go hunting. 90% of game is taken at under 150yds. Game doesn't care if the bullet is going +- 100FPS. If you are shooting 500 YDS or beyond, then it might mater
Game cares, and that’s because at 150 yards 100+- equals an extreme spread of 200 fps and that can mean multiple inches from point of aim and now you’re possibly missing vitals. Also good hunters who care about doing the most they can to make good shots and good ethical choices care.
@@CalebDeBoer None of the game I shot at 40yds or 150 yds got away. The 150 was with a 30-30 , and the 40 yds with a stiff 30-06 load. It def would mater for 500 yds. Don't have a crono, but if my rifle shoots 1" 3 shot groups, I doubt they are off by 200fps. Plus I really care when loading powder. Not Dump(for shotshells the press meassure works) Trikle to perfec weight. I don't shoot competition, but I do have a 12 pack on the line with my Son Inlaw(military/snipper school). Probably loose with my old hunting tifle. But still fun to try
How is it possible for 90% of shooters to not own a chronograph? How are you making your ammo, just winging it and hoping for the best?
@@randym4077 I mean I run a chronograph and the widest spread I’ve ever had in k factory ammo is 35ish fps and that was on a gun I was never going to hunt with. And as far as my area goes with the tracking stories I hear, and this isn’t oh they went a couple hundred yards because the shot was a couple inches off the heart or nervous system, these guys are calling in dogs to go find deer so some of them might be batching boxes with bad spreads and winging it. And as far as the first question where I should have stated, the how ie they simply don’t have the money don’t care to know or really haven’t thought they needed a reason for one, or some combination of those things. Honestly if you’re spending $1000 or more just to get your equipment license and sighted in before hitting the woods the least you could do is grab a $100 chronograph to validate, but it’s just not even on some hunters radar.
@@randym4077 Guess Shooters have relied on Loading manuals and comon sense for pressure signs for over 100 yrs. Has Worked fo me. Back in the 1980's when I got my 1917 US Enfield in 30-06. It woudn't shoot factory Ammo.3-4" groups. Reloading, lucky I bought amongst others a bullet it liked(165 Speer Grand Slams). Increasing .5 grns it was very satisfiying how groups shrinked, till they printed 1" 3 shot groups. Stoped there. 58,5 Grns IMR 4350. A bit hot for today's manuals, but safe in MY RIFLE. GUESS About 2.800 FPS. Maybe next year will get a Garmin Chronograph. Will Hotroad 165-168 Grns 28 Nosler to 3.3Kfps for Grandson. Honestly, for me is Hunting accuracy over Speed. I got Nosler reload Data on speed dial on my computer
If you’re basing your dope on what’s printed on the box well, that’s kind of a self inflicted wound. I do agree that Hornady should have updated the velocity on the box. But every rifle will shoot differently and if you haven’t chonographed the lot of ammo you’re shooting from and from your rifle, then that’s on you for your dope being wrong. Still… yes, Hornady should have given some notice to the consumer, the minimum would have been updating the printing on the boxes, even if they had to put stickers with the new data over the old until their stock of boxes was used up. In my experience, 98% of consumers would never have read that notice anyway but it still should have been given.
2:48 Do shooting competitions. You have to put your body in a stressful situation so your know what to do
4:53 It's 2024, you either download Brave browser, install an adblocker or keep quiet. It's really not that hard. or you can do what Ron-Sensei said @ 5:52
8:35 They test this stuff with very isolated variable, highly precise instruments that we won't even comprehend in a laboratory environment and I thought it was common knowledge that what's on the label is going to be off. Why is this such a huge issue right now? And it wouldn't surprise me if the test barrels mathematically measured out to 30in instead of 24 or 26 inches
18:29 There seems to be a little bit of a echo chamber going on in the comment section. If you were to ask anybody, anywhere, of any age, nationality, or ethnicity you will find that most of everybody do not know how to read or use a compass. I do not know about anywhere else but I am seeing younger people, I'm 29 for context, wearing analog watches. Mostly the ones that are minimalistic in their design.
41:18 Congratulations kid! What you have is the son of the god of all rifle cartridges. Get you some dies, a reloading manual, and some powder!
49:01 I'll keep this on brief and say let's do our best to have Fallout remain a work of fiction.
50:07 a 5.56mm fits the bill for this and you can find them almost anywhere and everywhere. A lot of people I know have the v-max bullets and rave about them. But would step down to a 17 cal.
Twist in the 7-08, What would be heaviest bullet weigh this shooter will use. I doubt anyone would load a 185-195 grns in it. The 7-08 was designed arround a 139-145 grns bullet. Of course you can load it with 160-175 grns, and it still will stabilize in a 1 in 9 std twist. Target shooters are the ones fooling with twist. Hunters have been missinformed with the twist dilema. 7PRC with a 195 Grns Bullet about the only that needs more twist. It's like using a 250 Grns bullet in a 30 cal rifle.
i rather think aim point focus and meat wanted goal at the end, for not shot gunning make tons of sense.
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down there” that is a fallacy for us who watch on tv!! I am uninterested in sitting at my desk watching computer monitor, pr my phone especially! I believe a lot are streaming to tv?!?!
Great information. I believe that some of the velocity issues with the 7mm PRC can be attributed to barrel length. Shooters need to look at the barrel length used for factory velocity. In 7mm PRC, most use 24" inch barrels. From my research, most of the more affordable hunting rifles available are in 20" and 22". That alone could account for as much as 150fps loss from factory velocity. Just a thought.
You have a point, but Hornady has gone on record stating that they have been unable to get the faster powder (it is made by a European company busy making ammo for Ukraine) and substituted one that produced roughly 150fps lower velocity in the same 24" barrel.. Backfire and other channels have verified this lot by lot variation by changing the ammo but not the rifle. This makes the lot by lot variation much greater than usual, requiring a hunter to go the range to verify the velocity of each box of ammo, wasting 5 or so cartridges from each 20 purchased.
This was a self-inflicted injury. It was a dumb mistake that has damaged Hornady's reputation. Hornady tests each lot of ammo for velocity and accuracy, so they knew when a change had occurred. All they had to do was place a sticker on ammo that reflected the measured velocity. I suggest that a change of over 50 - 75 fps from the standard velocity in their test barrels was worth the effort, especially for ammo labeled as "Precision Hunter". As it is, there are a number of hunters who now refuse to buy Hornady ammo because they no longer trust the brand.
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Advertising depends on where you are located. I am in south america. Tgere is nearly zero interest in advertising for anything in English. So, I get zero advertising on TH-cam. Also, using the application vs. web browser will effect how many advertising you see.
Focus on taking 5 breaths before touching your trigger!!!
Never shot birds or running animals, huh?
So, back in the day when we trusted the factory numbers and the government by the way..and you could get two or three boxes of ammo for the price of one today ; If I had to use a whole box to get a good zero at whatever distance; then that is what we did. No One gave a crap about velocity or pressure or drag or the price of eggs in China. The only thing that matters is whether or not you and your rifle can produce a fairly small 1-3 shot group at your choice of "zero" distance and ; you know how to estimate distance and perform "hold-over" beyond your "zero".
No one had a range finder, no one had a chronograph, no one had a ballistic app not to mention, up until 1995-1997, no one had a frickin cell phone. All of the nit-picking is literally the product of spoiled, ungrateful people ; doing exactly what spoiled ungrateful people do. Believing they need drama to thrive. 😂 Think about the obvious need for drama that some people have. It's the meaning of their existence. They're convinced they don't have an identity without it. No one is satisfied with anything, and that is what we will regret.
Thank you Ron, for another great discussion!👍
GET back to hunting
It feel like the twist rate ? Was is the shorter traditional bullet going to be less accurate in a faster twist barrel?? I'm wondering myself.
A light bullet is still stable in a fast twist.
There are so many variables to accuracy, but usually low quality ammo or lot to lot variation is the problem. (Assuming a good rifle and a good shooter).
What if ya just break them up on the extra long,witch I love anyway, but maybe part 1,2 then released on multiple days,at the end of the day more is always better as far as I'm concerned