Weird Touhou Wikis on Fandom

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  • @SuzuranMajere
    @SuzuranMajere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +391

    "The Touhou Wiki" has a lot of pages because it was imported from the previous host before Fandom (then Wikia). Later on, when Wikia started going downhill we tried to migrate it out, but found that you actually aren't allowed to leave Wikia/Fandom if your wiki is "too popular". When the Touhou Wiki staff tried, their accounts were locked and they were replaced by Wikia staff, as they no longer "represented the community". I got involved when that happened, ran the new host for some time, and Wikia staff were downright vindictive in their quest to kill the migration. Any editor who even alluded to a replacement wiki was banned, all content the authors wrote had to be manually moved to the new site, and not only did Wikia staff copy our changes from the new host back to the Wikia, we had repeated vandalism from Wikia office IP addresses. We tried to lay it to rest years ago, but out of desire for that sweet sweet ad revenue, Wikia/Fandom keeps it shambling on, and I still hold a grudge against them for how we were treated.

    • @cursedex80
      @cursedex80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      So that's how it went. I had been curious for some time since I only knew a part of the story.
      What I don't recall exactly is how the migration was communicated. I do remember reading about how things more or less unfolded, but I kind or remember it as a notification on the Wikia itself, which would have been impossible based on what you say, so I'm likely misremembering.

    • @SuzuranMajere
      @SuzuranMajere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      @@cursedex80 There were multiple attempts at putting a notice on the Wikia itself at first. The first one lasted at least several hours before Wikia staff became aware and took action. After that, a few editors tried mentioning it on talk pages, but those were found and banned much more quickly. Notices were posted on forums the fans frequented at the time (Shrinemaiden, etc) and links on external sites that could be edited, like Danbooru, were updated. I probably have IRC logs that cover the events, but I'd have to go digging for them.

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I’ve never heard of drama that’s anyway like that, I’m baffled honestly

    • @combativeThinker
      @combativeThinker ปีที่แล้ว

      I guarantee you it’s the beginning of the communist plot to subvert Touhou and turn it globohomo.

    • @dakrashayashi2796
      @dakrashayashi2796 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The best you can do sadly is get a DMCA takedown request from the copyright owner - in this case ZUN. It WILL work but good luck with that :P

  • @metasniper137
    @metasniper137 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    I feel like Junko’s power level in fanon is directly proportional to how much the writer hates the Lunarians(Namely the Watatsuki sisters).

  • @FinalLeet
    @FinalLeet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +494

    Ever since Wikia changed to Fandom, things got way too difficult to navigate and find any type of information for any game... God bless the Wiki net editors.
    Kudos for the share of forgotten content of our community.

  • @Suwawako
    @Suwawako 2 ปีที่แล้ว +740

    I can never forgive Fandom for converting the Minecraft wiki from MediaWiki to Fandom

    • @Bob-bs9ok
      @Bob-bs9ok 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Some sins are unforgivable

    • @forgetfullsanity
      @forgetfullsanity 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except if the cat allows it

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I can't go even on it anymore I hate wikia's web design

    • @pedropimenta896
      @pedropimenta896 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What is the difference?

    • @kingofflames738
      @kingofflames738 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pedropimenta896 Fandom is a predatory website with a serious ad plague

  • @gansmith
    @gansmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +324

    One of the rare occasions where the MUGEN community gets the respect it deserves. It has more Touhou mods than Megafrog has subscribers.

    • @noxxyy
      @noxxyy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      nobody in MUGEN really calls them mods, just characters and stages and whatnot, but yeah, and there's even some pretty cool original/creative stuff out there.
      Stuff like Death Starla, Magasame, StarLightWitch, Chrono (a Cirno that controls time!), Twilight Heaven's Fairy, Alice's Gensokyo (with dolls of basically every character), Chesspiece_royaloid, and a rather humorous edit of Reimu just called "Stupido"...
      Oh, and there's a Ruukoto, that one's fun.

  • @Meliae
    @Meliae 2 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    there is an entire subculture of "fictional tv show" fandom pages, they usually have some weird name like burngoberrie (don't think it would be right to list any others) and have an uncountable number of pages describing unrelated hyper-specific material like episode count, when the show "aired", the "actors" involved, descriptions of storyboards, etc... with limited detail in the actual story or purpose of this imaginary media. sometimes they have actual video content, sometimes not.
    Pooh's Adventures is like the most infamous of all (incidentally Reimu has her own page there too) because it has thousands of pages just listing fictional movie after fictional movie after fictional movie. these fake shows typically feature crossovers with other fictional works or are even straight up sequels/spin-offs/re-imaginings of other shows. that's the only reason it's possible to find these webpages is because they set up character pages for all these crossovers (ranging between sonic characters, anime, tv, to even fucking touhou and beyond).
    but the wild thing is that even for the fandom projects that look like they have a bunch of people involved, if you really check you'll see that it is almost always manufactured by only one or two people. the level of dedication is.....astounding.

    • @Kevinblue035
      @Kevinblue035 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      that reminds me of a video i saw about how there as a big hooplah in the lost media community of people trying to find leads on a supposed lost episode of "where in the world is carmen sandiego" based on a really really specific description of the episode, only for it to have turned out to be (like you described) an elaborately written fan-made fake episode someone posted on the carmen sandiego fan wiki that was never taken down cus it looked real enough

    • @Meliae
      @Meliae 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      it's really bizarre because i am certain there has been some more crossover with fake show wikis & lost media searches in the past too, lol

    • @skeletonking2501
      @skeletonking2501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Very interesting to hear, I wonder j he ow many weird wikis about shows I’ve never heard of are actually just fake show wikis

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Honestly it gives me anemoia just thinking about me being in their situation. I can imagine an alternate universe version of myself with the self-awareness of Koishi herself making one

    • @akiraigarashi2874
      @akiraigarashi2874 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Guess Chatgpt is going to make it even easier to make wikis like that

  • @Sekibankiii
    @Sekibankiii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    burngoberrie is the tv show of all time, the characters were written, the story was made, the animation was animated, my favorite part is when burngoberrie says "It's burngoberring time" and then proceeds to burngoberry the bad guys alongside reimu hakurei, really says alot about how the pale king is actually the good guy in hollow knight.

    • @supper_e1823
      @supper_e1823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I'm sold! 5 tickets to Burngoberrie please. It seems very promising, it might even make a burngoillon dollars!

    • @pingazthegreat9476
      @pingazthegreat9476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      69th like

    • @xenophanesbringsthepain1229
      @xenophanesbringsthepain1229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      burngoberrie is a fever dream dude, like it's something that is so weird that it's beyond human comprehension or just comprehension in general. (I bet you not even God or any other deity could tell you why burngoberrie was made or why it is the way that it is.)

    • @SporianSummit
      @SporianSummit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@xenophanesbringsthepain1229 it reminds me of pooh's adventures if it was actually good

    • @mrultima9466
      @mrultima9466 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of all of the art that was ever created, of Burngoberrie you can definitely say "that's one of them."

  • @anueutsuho7425
    @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    TVTropes used to be pretty bad (in regards to Touhou) but one guy singlehandedly improved a lot of the character pages

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Like, Yukari's age was listed as Berserk Button even though she doesn't really give a shit about it in canon (I think she may actually be proud of her old age) when I checked in 2017, but this guy fixed it by the time I looked again in 2020

    • @LieseFury
      @LieseFury 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      but it's still a tvtropes page so how much of an improvement can it really be

    • @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917
      @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@anueutsuho7425 Yuyuko is the one that deserved Berserk Buttons, Yukari in other hand doesn't give. Shit

    • @exploshaun
      @exploshaun ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ok looks like I need to go visit TV tropes again since the last time I went there like 6 or 7 years ago.

  • @Woogwoogus
    @Woogwoogus ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Admittedly a tad surprised you haven't covered the Sexypedia (Tumblr sexyman wiki) considering how there's at least a handful of Touhou characters there
    Both Yukari and Junko are listed as milfs and both them and Utsuho are listed as 'Vriska archetype' it's god damn wild

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  ปีที่แล้ว +47

      It's one of a few wikis I intentionally left out because I just really did not want to acknowledge them.

    • @Woogwoogus
      @Woogwoogus ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@MegaFrog Very understandable, honestly
      I still remember finding it for the first time and went absolutely insane over the fact I found Canadian Cartoon icon Dr. Frogg there and was slowly going mad thanks to it

    • @blairblue6769
      @blairblue6769 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yukari junko and utsuho have literally nothing in common with vriska what the hell

    • @gesaltcrystals2233
      @gesaltcrystals2233 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      UTSUHO AS THE VRISKA ARCHETYPE dgskeeiso. Cmon like seiga/seija/yukari would totally fit thr vriska archetyoe better than poor okkuu

    • @kalenipclaw5683
      @kalenipclaw5683 หลายเดือนก่อน

      how the actual fuck is utsuho a "vriska archetype"

  • @longlivethe9989
    @longlivethe9989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    You should've included the MAGICAL Chinese Touhou wiki next to the main one. It has exact hitboxes, precise DPS info, formulas for many, many things, extremely accurate killtimes and an immense amount of technical information that can't be found anywhere else (to be fair, each individual piece of knowledge is likely also present on some forums, but not collected into a single enormous archive)

    • @oscheoroset1298
      @oscheoroset1298 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      If the Chinese wiki you mention is thwiki, then I 100% concur lol. That site is a GOAT, they even build a Gensokyo map.

    • @corbeauwrite
      @corbeauwrite ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I will really appreciate if you share this map please!

    • @oscheoroset1298
      @oscheoroset1298 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@corbeauwrite thwiki(.)cc is the main page, while map(.)thwiki(.)cc is the map page (be sure to remove the "( )", yt doesn't like link in their comment).

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    6:10 "Through the cosmic power of a thousand monkeys and typewriters" is such a raw line

    • @pedropimenta896
      @pedropimenta896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is the line of all time

    • @TearMetoBitsDarling
      @TearMetoBitsDarling 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it almost even sounds like a boss theme, or a spellcard name

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TearMetoBitsDarling Exactly, especially if you format it as "Cosmic Power ~ Thousand Monkeys and Typewriters" (for the latter, remove ~ and put 2nd part in quotes)

  • @lm1xb
    @lm1xb ปีที่แล้ว +24

    woahhhhh I'm the creator of The Duckpond Wiki I can't believe you found that lmao but yeah it just compiles our discord server lore. Thanks for the shoutout :)

    • @goomb4228
      @goomb4228 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      it truly is the most necessary wiki to exist

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Crazy that you found this video!!! I would love to learn more about the Duckpond. Making a wiki for Discord lore is a really cool idea, since a server can have such complex history and culture in a very short time.

    • @lm1xb
      @lm1xb ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@MegaFrogI'd love to talk about it more if you'd want!

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Send me an email, and I'll get in touch.

  • @wildpaper4388
    @wildpaper4388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    The Gensokyo Warfare mod is, pretty fun, but some of the models came straight from hell or are meme potential, I recommend it if you ever play mount and blade warband I really recommend it!

    • @benquinnobi6461
      @benquinnobi6461 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      10/10 would get nuked by Remilia again

    • @A.Singularity
      @A.Singularity ปีที่แล้ว

      100/10 mod i installed it on my nonexistant touhou (insert number here) and it runs extremely smooth

  • @ghostmeganium8111
    @ghostmeganium8111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Also adding to the siiva and touhou stuff, ZUN was a contestant in the KFAD tournaments (king for a day and king for another) and while he didn't win in either, those brought a bunch of cool touhou remixes so maybe yeah siiva counts as doujin circle? Lol

  • @ArekusaSan
    @ArekusaSan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I know nothing about Touhou, I refuse to learn about Touhou cause I think it’s funnier that way, yet I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Well done!

  • @jvts8916
    @jvts8916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Here's my thoughts on some of the Wikis:
    There are few things that amuse me more than a holier-than-thou wiki author that toots their own horn in their own articles even though most of their links are broken and the wiki's not even accurate. I thought I wasn't going to see another wiki quite like Giantess Wiki (which I'm certain only showed up in my timeline because their mascot appears in Google Images), but I'm glad to be proven wrong.
    I'd say the Heroes Wiki confused Reimu and Sayo/Pocky from the Kiki Kaikai/Pocky and Rocky series.
    It baffles me how Sakuya's in the Villains Wiki even though she was only doing her job in Touhou 6 and became a recurring protag since Touhou 7.
    I already don't like Death Battle or the VS Wiki, but the Touhou series really doesn't fit the powerscaling side thanks to spellcard duels being deliberately designed to put everyone on the same weight class and rely on beauty and skill instead. Not to mention both have a tendency to have characters go OOC just so their raw power is the only thing that matters.

    • @oranjaglad8648
      @oranjaglad8648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      According to Villains Wiki, if a character opposes the protagonist, that means they're automatically evil, even if they aren't in the grand scheme of things.
      Logic? What's that? Because apparently VW doesn't use it.

    • @Sekibankiii
      @Sekibankiii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      The villans wiki is a dumpster fire, an expamle i can give is the page for the pale king (hollow knight),he shouldnt be there, his actions may be a bit questionable, but at the end of the day he was trying to save his kingdom.
      But that doesnt come as close as sakuya in the villains wiki, as you said already, sakuya was only doing her job, she isnt evil and she literally becomes a protagonist in the later games.

    • @RuneTacticss
      @RuneTacticss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Not going to go too much into it, but from what I've seen (I simply just scroll through vs battle wiki sometimes, never participate) it is wild. Vs Battle Wiki has some crazy people on there. And I mean people who have 100s of posts adamantly denying any and all discussion of feats for a certain series just because they dislike it. They're like super obsessed with making sure the series that they don't like doesn't get any stronger and will even harrass or always go against someone who likes the series that they hate.

    • @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917
      @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel like they pretty much putting almost every bosses in Touhou in Villain wiki

  • @Deku2424
    @Deku2424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The Ohga Shrugs wiki and especially the Burngoberrie wiki remind me of when I accidentally stumbled into the “Ultraverse” wiki in my early days of being a Puyo fan. It has a bunch of lore for characters from different series that completely off and even lore about the real world like how there’s only one company or something. By that point I had known mostly everything about the Puyo characters so I was just incredibly confused. It kinda felt like a surreal experience and I’m glad that I’m not the only person to have gone through an experience like it.

  • @dimas152mm
    @dimas152mm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    one of the dev team for Gensokyo Warfare here....
    some fellows in charge of the wiki has been inactive, plus other devs didn't really take a look on it since we have our own discord server where people can just ask the stuffs
    the base game itself is a medieval warfare rts + rpg, where you can be a mercenary or a lord, lay siege, even marry other nobles
    and oh, currently the newest version stopped development for the time being until Bannerlord reached stable release, the constant updates breaks our modules and the coders are crying in the corner, they don't even want to touch Warband again (coding is a mess)

    • @guncatto2625
      @guncatto2625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Burngoberrie.
      That's all I have to say.

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The Touhou Wiki(the Fandom one) is actually what I used to get into Touhou. Of course I was introduced through Bad Apple!!(specifically a Synthesia cover since I used to watch Black MIDI videos) but I used it to go one-by-one on character descriptions. I remember cluelessly starting from HRtP instead of EoSD(since the character list was in game/boss order) and getting frustrated that it started with so many short pages.

    • @NeonBeeCat
      @NeonBeeCat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yo i remember that black midi but i never got into touhou im just watching funny videos

  • @Yoshitime_
    @Yoshitime_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    damn if the last few minutes were a roller coaster of emotions, i think i won't sleep for like a week now 'cause Burngoberrie will now be in my nightmares.
    But overall damn, nice job on making this video, nice editing, pacing and commentary, hats to you my guy!

  • @PakieVSRG
    @PakieVSRG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    the burngoberrie wiki is the embodiment of that weird ass davemadson logo bloopers / greeny phantom side of the internet

  • @TechnoCookieNG
    @TechnoCookieNG ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The whole Burngoberrie segment sums up what I love about Fandom rabbit holes

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah. It just gives me huge Pooh's Adventures vibes
      If I had absolutely NO filter I'd make a sh/i/tty mass crossover of all my hyperfixations too

  • @NeviTheLettyFan
    @NeviTheLettyFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    8:41 I'm surprised you mentioned Mount & Blade
    It's got quite the dedicated community, and the gameplay is really fun too
    And it makes sense for them to focus on Bannerlord now, since it's the much awaited sequel after YEARS of no news
    I'll check it out, thank you!

  • @quarium5681
    @quarium5681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This video was actually so fun and fascinating, great job on it!

  • @ojeda2800
    @ojeda2800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    14:12 Rina Satou voices Reimu in Koumajou Densetsu 2 and in some other fan works, I think

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hey I looked this up, and you're right! Thanks for finding that for me!

  • @Zigzemyt
    @Zigzemyt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for featuring The Duckpond wiki! This video made my day!!!

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Today I went ahead and fixed the mistake at 19:24, since I have a Fandom account and remembered this part
    I credited you for giving me the information on the update log, by the way

  • @oranjaglad8648
    @oranjaglad8648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I hate how Villains Wiki has Touhou characters that don't even classify as villains or being "evil". They even have characters like Flandre and Byakuren, who are nowhere near close to being either. Not to mention the Touhou characters mostly have a grey morality to begin with. Then again, it's not a surprise, given how that wiki is known for classifying characters wrong.

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Right?! There’s very few Touhou characters that are strictly all-good or all-evil, that’s part of why I love the cast

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      There's also Utsuho on the "Heroes Wiki" even though she has literally never done anything in canon onscreen except try to vaporize people.

    • @oranjaglad8648
      @oranjaglad8648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@anueutsuho7425 Exactly! Her goal was to NUKE Gensokyo in her debut game, too! Yet somehow she's on Heroes Wiki... why, exactly?

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oranjaglad8648 It brings that up, but completely forgets how even after that she's incredibly territorial and will gladly vaporize anyone who intrudes into her reactor.

    • @jerrythemike3584
      @jerrythemike3584 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In a non-ironic way, Touhou is about as gray as you can get, because we're literally talking about a cast made up mostly of creatures who must kill and eat other innocent beings (which the fandom seems to ignore 99% of the time) in order to live, but who really have no other choice, and for the most part probably don't enjoy doing it other than just not dying.
      which is why you kill both human and yokai to get rid of the problem in a non-discriminatory way

  • @cursedex80
    @cursedex80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Touhou Fandom page is kind of a weird story. The regulars there were the current people in touhouwiki, but at some point they jumped ship stating that Wikia was somehow trying to claim all content written on it as it's own property or some weird shit like that (they really saw the writting on the wall, considering how terrible an experience it is to navigate Fandom as of now). The current state of the Fandom page really shows how important these people were for the Wikia and are for the Wiki.

  • @RandyAlterReviews
    @RandyAlterReviews 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    MegaFrog went through hell to prevent us from going through the process of suffering, what a Chad

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My burden is difficult to bear.

  • @federicogalvan2026
    @federicogalvan2026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For the logopedia one I think it’s the logo Figma used on the back of their touhou figures, because I have the logo (except for the line below the letters) on the back of the box my Aya Shameimaru came in

  • @korex0
    @korex0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember watching a dantavius video about internet mysterious and seeing touhou appear outta nowhere which honestly just made me go insane it had to do something about some person leaving weird morse code under thier touhou vids and then finding out about burngoberrie through this vid got me fucked up touhou in general got wacky stuff going on 😭😭

  • @xov1930
    @xov1930 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sacrificing my soul to watch all of the burngoberrie episodes

    • @Bumderduck
      @Bumderduck 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did you do it? Did you?

  • @kirbonicpikmin8809
    @kirbonicpikmin8809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This video is great man, more than exceeded the expectations your initial teasers for it set. Your script is incredibly solid and well written (That Linux joke also made me chuckle a bit more than it should have.), I wish I could put together something even a quarter as good, and your editing is super solid, great video overall man!
    Also damn you, you're gonna send me on another lost media search for a game titled "Touhou: The Visual Novel", hopefully it wont be as ridiculous as when I tracked down one simply called "Toho Strike".
    Also didn't expect you to touch on the Versus Battle wiki, and this one is a liiiiittle personal for me so I guess I'll elaborate on some of it's issues, if you're willing to read a bit. A lot of the Touhou end VSBW wiki is incredibly outdated with an absurd amount of incomplete profiles, an uncountable amount of not included abilities, stats and scaling all over the place, fanon used as reasoning for some scaling, and a lot of fanwork in the place of actual official artwork, among other things. That's because the moderators and general users sort of... abandoned Touhou on the Wiki for several years, at least since around LoLK/AoCF's release to my knowledge.
    Me and a small group of other members in the 2hu community have been trying pretty hard to fix up the profiles and put way more time than we reasonably should be putting into such a silly little subsect of internet debating, but we're passionate about it. We've done a lot of progress to the verse, justified some scaling/feats, removed a lot of shitty fanon reasoning, added official artwork, added several profiles (such as Yuuma), and generally fixed a lot of out of date info, but we're still very, very behind. The reason it's not all fixed up by now is.... that the mods generally aren't very receptive to handling Touhou. Most of them aren't knowledgeable on the series, and the ones who are have long since become inactive/no longer care about the verse. So it results in any CRT or attempted revision on the site getting stonewalled by a single person who disagrees (usually for silly reasons, like not understanding how Dreams in Touhou work) or they just end up completely and utterly ignored by mods in flavor of say, DMC, Bleach or Naruto getting its 12th revision that week. In general, there's a small group of people working to have the wiki be as canonical/accurate as possible and fill in a lot of gaps when it comes to Touhou's characters, abilities, and scaling, but it's just nearly impossible to make any progress due to lack of interest/lack of knowledgable mods to actually.
    I don't expect the verse to get any kind of meaningful amount of correctness to it until Touhou makes it onto a major Versus show like Death Battle (which is surprisingly likely since they've talked about it before), there's a major reshaping of the mod team, or several years from now where after a long arbitrary and obnoxious battle, we finally get enough revisions through to get the verse up to snuff. I'd like it to be at a good place, but eh, can only do so much when it's just a handful of people. I know versus stuff is usually seen as silly but I've always been somewhat passionate about it, the art of who could punch who in the face harder has always been a fun time for me.

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      This was a very interesting read! I appreciate the amount of effort that has gone into trying to fix the article. The passion is definitely there, so more power to you.

    • @enzoqueijao
      @enzoqueijao 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Any luck on that Touhou Visual Novel? Whoever is writing that wiki seems so involved that you can only assume it's the most banger story to ever be released.

    • @jerrythemike3584
      @jerrythemike3584 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The funny thing is that the first DB with a Touhou character is probably going to be Cirno vs Jack-Frost, in which case they most likely aren't even going to talk about high-end stuff and go to depth with the cosmology to explain how far Touhou gets in Stats, atleast they would talk about things such as Youkai physiology and stuff related to that

  • @DeltaPie
    @DeltaPie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I see that you've mastered the art of title captions. I highly approve!

  • @nubo3517
    @nubo3517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I need to check out this Burngoberrie rabbit hole.

    • @Syniy_kit
      @Syniy_kit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's way too dangerous for your brain to handle

  • @Kromiball
    @Kromiball ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:00 An interesting thing to note on that wiki page is that Rin Satsuki exists (though her appearance in each Windows Era game is inconsistent on the page), Yuuka returns earlier in PCB as a playable character and Mima becomes playable again (inconsistently mentioned like Rin) starting with IN - where she's paired with Yuuka.

  • @Hifuutorian
    @Hifuutorian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    According to ZUN, Reimu actually did become a 'hero' in ULiL! It's actually appropriate then, too.

  • @MathyOld
    @MathyOld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    i had a siivagunner rip published where the joke was touhou. i didnt get on the album tho 😢

  • @ghostmeganium8111
    @ghostmeganium8111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Gotta give props for the subtitles of every wiki haha

  • @shady8868
    @shady8868 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:46 "Welcome to New Wiki Name" I fell off my chair dying of laughter when I saw this. And also - Flandooru XD

  • @Flanbweh
    @Flanbweh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I played the Gensokyo Warfare mod quite a bit and it's pretty impressive! Fighting with OR against Remilia in battles sucks though because half the time she'll use a nuke attack that I have only ever been able to barely survive...and said attack has friendly fire

    • @Flanbweh
      @Flanbweh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      also it might be different in the story mode but in the sandbox mode the "marriage mechanics," are just the same that they are in vanilla but with a short cutscene added

  • @1INBAL
    @1INBAL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for using Mystia theme at the end.

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Burngo to All but the Berrie

  • @DashtheBard
    @DashtheBard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As someone who likes keeping their lore and fandom separate, this video was nightmare inducing. Bravo.

  • @them3ds464
    @them3ds464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I'd like to believe that the editor for Touhou Insider Wiki is like that one classmate in high school that consumes nothing but dank memes thinks speaking in an annoying, butchered Russian English voice equals funny, and probably watches drama alert unironically.
    On another note: While I find goanimate to be hilariously bad in general, Burngoberrie just feels me with a weird sense of dread, though honestly I've seen MUCH WORSE from the goanimate "community".

    • @ReverseCh
      @ReverseCh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Tbh I think that wiki is made as a joke. It looks something that Aya could've written

    • @them3ds464
      @them3ds464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ReverseCh I know, but I still don't find it very funny.

    • @Sekibankiii
      @Sekibankiii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@ReverseCh Aya truly is the reporter of all time.

  • @JungéShikisanki
    @JungéShikisanki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For spending so much time researching and making long videos about Touhou, You earn My respect and My subscribe.

  • @Kuudere-Kun
    @Kuudere-Kun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fandom is so weird, there is an overflow Wiki with extensive information on the Radish Vacation games even though those Games have never been translated.

  • @harrisonkarn2078
    @harrisonkarn2078 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the Timothy Dexter reference at 0:45

  • @cirnogaming2352
    @cirnogaming2352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i remember clicking on what i thought was a touhou wiki page to get utsuho's in game portrait but then i realized i had clicked on a page for her on sexypedia or some other wiki lmao

  • @roserichardson9480
    @roserichardson9480 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favourite detail about the VS Battle wiki is the Hieda no Akyuu article, which insists that she can travel faster than light and lift a pickup truck over her head.

  • @neskey
    @neskey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:46 hey! I'll have you know i beat th8's extra stage after a week of beating my head against the keyboard

  • @munol2524
    @munol2524 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:33 The arch wiki page was indeed my one stop shop. All of the windows bullet hell games run without much trouble although the performance may vary. The fighting games however are more difficult to get running.

  • @wea69420
    @wea69420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DR KLEINER JESUS FUCK LMAO. I wonder when we'll get the Gordon Freeman crossover

  • @kyledayton7829
    @kyledayton7829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fun fact: Gensokio Warfare is what got me into Touhou

  • @GamerRoman
    @GamerRoman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    finally some content

  • @starmight7109
    @starmight7109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dunno if anyone mentioned it in the comments some time ago, but: Burngoberrie is an esoteric copy of the not-so-good TV series, Brickleberry.
    It's apparent when you look at few of the episode's title:
    Two Months Notice = Two Weeks Notice
    Rather Games = Ranger Games
    Trip to Mash = Trip to Mars
    etc, etc, etc, you get the idea by now.
    The creator of Burngoberrie, Billy Gardiners, even appears on the same wiki of the show that he created, with only the text: "I Got A Goanimate". Goanimate was rebranded to Vyond in mid 2018.
    Speaking of Vyond, the studio vyond uses is drastically different than goanimate's, with limited character style compared to what goanimate had to offer. Because of this, the creator decided to mostly use pictures of characters instead.
    Also, there were plans for season 4, 5, and 6... These didn't come to light, probably to coincide with the cancellation of brickleberry. There were even episode titles planned for season 4 only, which has some oddities like: "Karate Shoppers", "Yellow Blood", "Yong Yong Kong", and "Don't Be That".
    Also, ALSO, there is a page for Pawing ED, which is a knockoff of brickleberry's sequel, Paradise PD. Currently, there is not much episode on the wiki relating to pawing ED.
    I wrote this for hours idk why I'm doing it, but I guess I gotta share a lil more info regarding burngoberrie..,

  • @dafff08
    @dafff08 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    19:47 even tho the mmd main software is pretty dated, you can import mmd models in to much more powerful 3d software such as blender, which gives you incredible amount of freedom.
    mmd models also come with a decent amount of benefits such as fairly usable rigs, face expressions, sliders for clothing etc.
    there are also tons and tons of poses and other resources which help with the artistic creation.
    the only downside are the textures, however you can use blender to expand further on the base textures like adding subsurface scattering, normalmaps etc.

  • @standard-carrier-wo-chan
    @standard-carrier-wo-chan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MegaFrog: "That's a nice Touhou logo, Logopedia, why don't you back it up with a source?"
    Logopedia: "My source is that I made it the fuck up."

  • @SenileOtaku
    @SenileOtaku 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The MMD Touhou wiki could be useful. I was thinking of doing a software tutorial as a "visual novel", and had thought of using Touhou characters (it's an open-source project, so no commercial exploitation)

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ZUN is pretty open with the copyright of Touhou. You can even monetize your work using Touhou characters as long as you follow his rules:
      1: Must be a self-published work
      2: Must not be illegal
      3: Must not be grossly offensive
      4: Must include correct character names
      5: Must credit Team Shanghai Alice

  • @xdarin_
    @xdarin_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the fact that the Touhou Visual Novel wiki basically turns that visual novel into just... a novel.

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Omniversal Battles Wiki is being a HUGE simp for Junko though

  • @no64256
    @no64256 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You sound genuinely distressed about Burngo Berry. If it can cause such anguish simply by observing it, I think it could be classified as a text-based weapon of phycological warfare

  • @jestermaniac3131
    @jestermaniac3131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i love your content bro

  • @sel9981
    @sel9981 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Burngoberrie wiki is an IRL tome of madness

  • @QuadrupleABattery
    @QuadrupleABattery 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    "Pacifist Priestess" Meanwhile in EOSD, Reimu is completely fine with killing another human
    Edit: During the last stage encounter eith Remillia, Remillia asked Reimu if she was killing another human (Sakuya), and Reimu says it's just a single person so it's fine

    • @yoankyun4394
      @yoankyun4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She's a pacifist because there'll be peace once she murders everyone

    • @mr.intruder1536
      @mr.intruder1536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When?

    • @ResinUdongeInaba
      @ResinUdongeInaba 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do you mean Forbidden Scrollery?

    • @SleepyKonii
      @SleepyKonii ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I instantly thought of Fortune Teller's fate when it was brought up Reimu was a "Pacifist Priestess"
      :QueenLMAO:

  • @JungéShikisanki
    @JungéShikisanki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh also Burngoberrie is a show from an alternate universe, just ignore it.

  • @goodandfren3926
    @goodandfren3926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:35 Man that is gas fo real,they developers are actually very good.
    9:00 Also The Mount and Blade Series is about mostly about an Action RPG and strategy game,where you control a person forming your own band of warriors/mercenaries and rise to the top in a medieval setting.
    I played the mod and changes EVERYTHING,including some very good changes to the base game and has it´s own unique History of explaining why they use guns and swords instead of just Dannmaku.
    13:58 #JusticeforFortuneTeller

  • @adamd938
    @adamd938 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man I wish there was a wiki that was like vs battles but only for Touhou and is made by people who deeply know the series and are big fans of the series. I just wanna know how strong the characters are man so I can be a loser nerd and compare them to other characters with friends 💀

  • @Nekathe
    @Nekathe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does this video only have 7k views? Its so well made it kinda of scares me

  • @NeviTheLettyFan
    @NeviTheLettyFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    4:16 This part made me laugh, good one

  • @basicchuchu4754
    @basicchuchu4754 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm on The Touhou Wiki on Fandom, and just saying, it is a ghost town. Occasionally a week can go by without a single edit. And there are maybe 4 active users on it, and it is mainly just Touhou LostWord discussion. Really sad, no admins or mods either.

  • @segasonic4352
    @segasonic4352 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    these wikis are so great

  • @Chaossoul87
    @Chaossoul87 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've played Gensokyo Warfare.
    It's jank as all hell, but fun regardless. Getting a character that doesn't look like a fucking mess is difficult, though. Story mode is fun, but could use more content. It seemingly expects you to use Int as a dump stat, giving you all kinds of high Int companions, and the mc even acts like a lovable dumbass.
    Also, marriage mechanics are in Warband vanilla, they're only a little different in the mod.

  • @TomokoKuroki0164
    @TomokoKuroki0164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man must've waked up in an alternate universe where Burngoberrie isn't the best show. Damn, the mandela effect sux bro. Gonna have to travel through universe back to my own. It will only take an infinite amount of time.

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, it can take just a few minutes from now, you just have to ask the friendly gap youkai for help

  • @BeeBN
    @BeeBN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:15
    I kinda like the image

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's got a certain amateurish charm, and I think it is funny that they combined Touhou characters with football clubs.

  • @hahamadeyouread214
    @hahamadeyouread214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    what I hate about vs battle wiki is that they put touhou characters to tier 2 to 2C-A which is BS, yukari is 2-C which is incredibly low while the one above all in marvel comics is 1-A which is the highest and well known tier aside from tier 0. But I see her and hecatia to be tier 0, because obviously they don't need introduction on what hax they can pull
    and bruh, says that baymax from kingdom hearts is stronger than yukari

  • @BigGnome
    @BigGnome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never played a Touhou but I'm glad TH-cam recommended this to me nonetheless

  • @guncatto2625
    @guncatto2625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jlrm01 truly is a character ngl.

  • @santiagosalas7088
    @santiagosalas7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man that was a good video
    Make more

  • @NotFenriz
    @NotFenriz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    TOuHoU iS Za ANIMU?!?!?!?!?!?
    And the burngoberrie wiki looks like something out of one night of smoking weed

    • @them3ds464
      @them3ds464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Feels more like a strange fever dream TBH

  • @drdca8263
    @drdca8263 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, so that one wiki was recording frame data for one of the fighting games,
    Is there like, something documenting something in similar detail for the main series shmups? Like, describing in detail the patterns of what enemies spawn when, how they shoot, how many hits they take, etc. ?

  • @Beepers559
    @Beepers559 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About MUGEN, since it does have some touhou characters in there: they not only have Goliath doll as a playable character, but also a sort of “Goliath doll EX” version with a color change, and eye lasers, it’s got eye beams for goodness sake! (At least I think there was a Goliath doll EX, I have no idea if there anymore since I’m only go off of memory here, very dodgy memory it’s been so long) edit 2: okay Goliath doll EX is a thing. Called “final Goliath doll”

  • @CherriColaV
    @CherriColaV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your prounounciations are killing me👽

    • @MegaFrog
      @MegaFrog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cry about it

  • @HyperVanilo
    @HyperVanilo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    00:14 I felt like that's a jab to me

  • @Prince_Of_Fish
    @Prince_Of_Fish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    did you expect a detailed analysis of Mokou and Kaguyas relationship in that space?
    fun video otherwise.

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      True. Perhaps "friendly rivalry" would be the best.

  • @jourcontre-jour1286
    @jourcontre-jour1286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've just been PsyOp'd into watching the burngoberries thanks.

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re brave
      Also fellow French Touhou fan(judging by your name)?

    • @jourcontre-jour1286
      @jourcontre-jour1286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BinglesP Nope, I just really like a song by that name.

  • @morbiusv5857
    @morbiusv5857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    oh my god !Marisa is in the newcastle united toon army!

  • @yetti3968
    @yetti3968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your voice is very nice to listen to, very nice video

  • @justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313
    @justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Half of these might as well be called shitpost or stolen wiki (wouldn't surprised if one of those did exist) with how much shitposting and stealing is on them. Although I find some of them pretty funny.
    Omniversal Battlefield Wiki definitely has the four year-old mentality you mentioned in the video because *none* of the pages for the small cast of Touhou characters have a list of victories, loses or even ties. Like someone brought up their favorite gal from Gensokyo but didn't bother to mention any fights they were in and if they lost any, and Marisa's page has fanart of her PC-98 appearance (and is also the *only* page in the entire Touhou section to give credit to the artist which makes me think they were all grabbed from a Google search) but Reimu *doesn't* have art for her PC-98 appearance and yet is listed in the category for PC-98 Canon and Shinki *isn't even **_in_* the same category despite *only* appearing in the PC-98 games and is barely referenced in the Windows era.
    The whole wiki just feels like someone heard about Touhou, did some light research by looking up characters from either TV Tropes or sites like Danbooru and then made shit up for the sake of having *something* on the pages. Also, everything from Flan's page is poorly copied from another wiki called Moegirlpedia with the same art used for Flan intact and even properly credited! But the site only has the cast of EoSD, Reimu and Marisa available and bizarrely enough Cirno's tan design has her own page on the site but is just a basic description of everyone's favorite idiot with Cirno's tan design rather than her basic design. As a matter of fact, Marisa, Reimu, Aya and Cirno all use their official art from HSiFS while the EoSD cast either use art from EoSD, Hisoutensoku/Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, Double Dealing Character or have no art whatsoever, not even fanart like what Flandre has. And that's literally *all* the characters that have pages on Moegirlpedia, the rest are all blank and don't have anything whatsoever.

  • @anueutsuho7425
    @anueutsuho7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I mean Reimu being 21 doesn't sound off

  • @Henry.uwurawr
    @Henry.uwurawr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    8:13 still no link?

  • @hourai-san3829
    @hourai-san3829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Touhou Insiders wiki was definitly made by Aya

  • @noobnacho
    @noobnacho ปีที่แล้ว

    >Just play Exalted in Gensokyo
    >Exalted 2e cover
    Patrician taste

  • @danieldale1488
    @danieldale1488 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use Arch Linux and I can confirm that that ArchWiki page has everything you need to run Touhou on Linux, but it's kind of strange that they have it in the first place since all it really says is to use emulators to play the games and a certain package for MIDI music.
    I think that anyone trying to play Touhou on Linux would already know they have to do this since it's a Windows/PC98 exclusive series, and probably anyone that knows enough about Linux to install Arch on their own wouldn't really need that page. However, from my own experience it's kinda annoying to setup Touhou for Linux without a guide (and you end up with a lot more glitches and crashes than on Windows), so I can see where it can be useful.

  • @silvertyrant1197
    @silvertyrant1197 ปีที่แล้ว

    Something to mention, In the Fandom, Zamasu is in the touhou character list.

  • @auxchar
    @auxchar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did not expect to see the arch wiki here, lmao.

  • @zarate4290
    @zarate4290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Touhou fans, dedicated to everything except the forbidden
    Lore. Great job on the video though! Must’ve taken a while to search every corner of every one of these websites

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does "Youkai die if they lose belief from humans" count as forbidden lore because I really don't want to think about it

  • @TheKornbeef
    @TheKornbeef 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't expect to watch the entire video but wow what a ride

  • @supper_e1823
    @supper_e1823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    17:07 Pff no competition here. Goku would be destroyed by Peppa pig

    • @BinglesP
      @BinglesP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But can she beat MarisaB?

    • @supper_e1823
      @supper_e1823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BinglesP ooooo tough matchup there… decisions decisions

    • @EpikBirb
      @EpikBirb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@supper_e1823 Peppa is just... cooler

  • @synn0005
    @synn0005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    would have loved to see sexypedia on here, lol
    anyways, good video