In 1982 was fortunate enough to have Tom Kollenborn as my 7th grade AZ history teacher. The class was called Superstition Gold. He taught us about the local history and geology and focused on proper cartography techniques. One major assignment was to create a map of the Superstition Mountains using those proper techniques. I still have the folder from that class with every handout, homework assignment, quizzes and notes. It's one of my most cherished possessions. I also got to go on a horseback trip with him and other students into the mountains. I've lived in the presence of this mountain nearly my whole life and of all the stories I've heard and read, what he says in this video, I believe, is the closest to the truth we'll ever know. Tom Kollenborn was so knowledgeable about this area and this mountain and was so generous with sharing it and he told the stories in a captivating way. He was a genuine, honorable and truly remarkable man. He will be missed dearly and never forgotten.
Whether your a die hard Dutchman’s gold treasure Hunter or love the Superstitions for a combined of the countless other reasons this video is priceless!
Ah, Wayne... no wonder you have so much respect for Tom. What an intelligent and practical man he was. Many thanks for everything you're doing to keep the Dream Alive! #StayAwsome
He so right. There’s so much to explore, see and do in the Superstitions. If I happen to trip over a piece of quartz full of gold that would just be the cream on top.
Do you have any experience there under your belt? I'm planning a trip there from FL, & can't wait. I've been to other areas of AZ in the 80's (Sedona - totally cool) & the 'big one' up north, both rims on separate trips. The Superstitions seem really cool & the locals seem awesome : )
@@houseofsolomon2440 yeah, Ive hiked around a lot and backpacked. Best time to backpack is February-March because usually the streams are running so you don’t have to carry as much water.
Recounting the story of the 83 year old guy with a pack & a walker is truly amazing. Deaf, too! Quite the testimony to how powerful, intoxicating the search alone is. Like a fountain of youth = invaluable ☆
Sad that I wasn't deep into the LDM before Tom passed. Would've loved to have met him. I've been reading his chronicles lately and going back through them. Tom was a real one.
Great video would have been great to meet Tom and ride in the Superstitions with him. I still need to get out to Circle Stone and explore it. It would be cool to see his old pictures with current ones.
Thank you, Tom, for sharing some pertinent information I never heard. Such as, looking in a place where metal would never appear to be, the geology being not being conducive to the miner's pick. Now, I think the older accounts, those from the late 1930's or abouts were the most prominent clues but, still within the parameters of not being over-stretched much. More modern information has been tampered with, too much. Now, all the accounts I have heard was the "mine" wasn't on the side of a mountain but, in a hole leading down. Jacob Walsh being a shrewd person, at best, worked that hole and simply, put a large rock over the entrance. Triangulating landmarks known only to him, led him to find it, every time. I took that clue to be the best one, over-turning large flat rocks. So, Walsh found his mine simply, by chance! Good Luck with that. I write this as if he is still with us, today.
In reguard for the LDGM whoever has said that they found the mine in real life these people have turned up dead. Nearly every one of them. Soo lets look at the one clue that everyone just gets glued into. Waltz said that he would stay at the Inn on his way to his mine. Well this homestead building went right into the heart of the SS Mountains. If you were seriously looking for his mine it would be in a direct line with this building bc it was on the way to his gold mine. For me the convinceing part is how hard it is to get to the mine and the terrian being soo dangerous it is the reason why noone's claimed it since it's in a dangerous area to navigate to get into. The thought of gold being closer to the east side is still what drives me torwards the eastern direction instead of the west.
Which group ? It’s the Silverchief. There’s a lot of pictures of the trash and tunnel. Maybe one day I’ll get one of the guys who mucked it to talk about it
I knew Tom Kollenborn from around 2009 until is death. He was much older, slower, and his voice was quite a bit different. He's way younger in this video, so I would guess this is around the 1980's. BTW, you won't meet a person with more integrity than Tom had.
The USGS Survey Tom is talking about is USGS Circular 609: "Mercury in soil gas and air--A potential tool in mineral exploration". Shows how there is a very high level of airborne mercury vapor along the North Side of the mountains along Apache Trail that is indicative of either huge natural mercury deposits or a lot of mining activity.
My bet is the mercury is in the Salt River streambed, a leftover from small scale mining activity during the Great Depression. It was common practice in those days to put some mercury in the last ripple of your sluice box to catch the fines. This mercury was frequently lost into the stream.
The fact that Holmes ended up with the gold does support his story. People say he stole the gold, but if that was the case why didn't Julia know about the gold. No one ever talks about what exactly happened to the money from the gold Holmes got did any of it go back to Julia.
It is just said that he ended up with the gold. I think he was the middleman if anything or saw the transaction. There is no documentation he actually sold it and he was pretty poor and lived off his dad a bit.
When you think about Jacob he was all over the place looking for gold in the mountains. What you glue into with Jacob is his age. When he first started chizzeling away at rock he was 66 years old. You realize that he's a good size man and cannot do mileage well on foot. Soo where he went into the mountains he most likely could only stay around certain areas and if you look at different area's you cannot fathom getting into. Waltz stayed in most pubic area's until he found his mine. This was documented regularly. Soo if we look at this mine he accidently found it where a rugged terrain was soo getting to his mine is like the worst of conditons to get to it bc he said I've got to show you EXACTLY WHERE THE MINE IS OR YOU'LL NEVER FIND IT. Now think about that. It's only going to be found in the worst terrian to get to it. I think this is the reason why nobody can find it. It's like comeing across a $100 dollar bill out there in the wind blowing it. To find the mine is of the worst conditions due to nobody being able to get to it.
"No miner will ever find it" could mean the mine is in a basin so that erosion won't leave a trail of placer gold that can be followed to the vein. That's probably the most common method of prospecting for lode gold.
@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 That's strange. The shaft was wider than the vein, and I read somewhere it was 75 feet deep. If there are no tailings, where did all that extra rock go?
@@LuckyBaldwin777 I don’t think Waltz gave too much information. It’s supposed to go down and slowly start going horizontal. Of course Waltz is the only one who knew and he is not talking
@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 I forget where, but I remember reading that Waltz said it was an incline shaft that flared out from the bottom but wasn't so steep that you couldn't climb down. He also said that they found another outcrop of the vein farther down and started to tunnel on that. That tunnel is what Waltz covered over with ironwood and hid the opening.
The story i heard was that waltz and his partner had been shown a sacred cave where gold had been stashed during a massacre and they went there to steal what they could they were attacked and he managed to get away i dont believe there ever was a mine per say it was a cave where gold had been stashed
Seems to me a cave would have a stash of gold bars, not gold ore. Ore has a lot of rock attached to the gold and therefore is very bulky to transport. Get rid of the rock , cast it into bars, and it would be much easier to transport to the cave. I'm afraid your story is Breyfogle.
He Came Back To The Reed Gold Mine In NC cabarrus county To Apply For Job Because He Was Experienced In Mining but They Were Doing No Hiring And California for Job No Hiring
Ok I’m going to make y’all laugh but then think “what if he is correct “ I’ve been to the Dutchman’s goldmine mountain. The Peralta stone maps are not Peralta they are a Jesuit Priest cypher. I saw all the clues with my own eyes. The stone man the face rock the horse face. My diabetes got my legs jacked. But the mine is well hidden in the side of the mountain. If my body lets me I’m going back.
Travis Tumlison made the maps. They're hoaxes. His own family has admitted that and even shown other stone carvings he did. The "priest" or "witch" was copied from his daughters coloring book. Many researchers have corroborated these facts by interviewing multiple family members and looking at family documents and at other stone carvings known to have been carved by Tumlinson.
In 1982 was fortunate enough to have Tom Kollenborn as my 7th grade AZ history teacher. The class was called Superstition Gold. He taught us about the local history and geology and focused on proper cartography techniques. One major assignment was to create a map of the Superstition Mountains using those proper techniques. I still have the folder from that class with every handout, homework assignment, quizzes and notes. It's one of my most cherished possessions. I also got to go on a horseback trip with him and other students into the mountains. I've lived in the presence of this mountain nearly my whole life and of all the stories I've heard and read, what he says in this video, I believe, is the closest to the truth we'll ever know.
Tom Kollenborn was so knowledgeable about this area and this mountain and was so generous with sharing it and he told the stories in a captivating way. He was a genuine, honorable and truly remarkable man. He will be missed dearly and never forgotten.
He definitely is missed
This comment needs to be pinned, imo.
What a fantastic story.
Thank you for sharing 🙏
He was absolutely correct about one thing for sure.... The stories are endless and the true adventure is the hunt........ Thanks guys 👍
What a fantastic video.
From one Wayne to another, I thank you for posting this. 🙏
You are most welcome
I used to save my Tom Kollenborn stories from the newspaper, I hope I still have em.
Most of them are available online. Just look up Kollenborn chronicles
Whether your a die hard Dutchman’s gold treasure Hunter or love the Superstitions for a combined of the countless other reasons this video is priceless!
Ah, Wayne... no wonder you have so much respect for Tom. What an intelligent and practical man he was. Many thanks for everything you're doing to keep the Dream Alive! #StayAwsome
What a great story, he's an excellent speaker. And he's absolutely grounded, no gold fever there.
Just Love this History ,Outstanding ...
He so right. There’s so much to explore, see and do in the Superstitions. If I happen to trip over a piece of quartz full of gold that would just be the cream on top.
Do you have any experience there under your belt?
I'm planning a trip there from FL, & can't wait.
I've been to other areas of AZ in the 80's (Sedona - totally cool) & the 'big one' up north, both rims on separate trips.
The Superstitions seem really cool & the locals seem awesome : )
@@houseofsolomon2440 yeah, Ive hiked around a lot and backpacked. Best time to backpack is February-March because usually the streams are running so you don’t have to carry as much water.
Tom and Rick Gwynne are guys I can listen to talk about the old legends all day.
good archive...
Thank you
Recounting the story of the 83 year old guy with a pack & a walker is truly amazing. Deaf, too!
Quite the testimony to how powerful, intoxicating the search alone is. Like a fountain of youth = invaluable ☆
thank you Wayne, Tom was an awesome gentleman. you both keep things in proper perspective
Wayne that's was awesome video..thanks again for all you do...
Thank you Wayne the best part was at the end what a Cowboy ❤
Sad that I wasn't deep into the LDM before Tom passed. Would've loved to have met him. I've been reading his chronicles lately and going back through them. Tom was a real one.
What is LDM?
@@andy11inkLost Dutchman Mine
I love this one I wish I could spend a day with this man and his horse True AZ man
Awsome, thanks for showing Tom explaining the lost dutchmans mine.
Oh give me the "problems and concerns, even at 83". Great Video, Great Info.
Enjoyed your common sense storys makes alot of people really wonder so a tip of rhe 🎩to you thank you ⛏️
OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION!
Thank you
Videos like these are some of the best treasures one could hope to find! Thanks!
Thanks GOD Bless You
Great video! Addresses a lot of questions and thoughts I’ve had about LDM. Thanks!!
Great video would have been great to meet Tom and ride in the Superstitions with him. I still need to get out to Circle Stone and explore it. It would be cool to see his old pictures with current ones.
Thank you, Tom, for sharing some pertinent information I never heard. Such as, looking in a place where metal would never appear to be, the geology being not being conducive to the miner's pick. Now, I think the older accounts, those from the late 1930's or abouts were the most prominent clues but, still within the parameters of not being over-stretched much. More modern information has been tampered with, too much.
Now, all the accounts I have heard was the "mine" wasn't on the side of a mountain but, in a hole leading down. Jacob Walsh being a shrewd person, at best, worked that hole and simply, put a large rock over the entrance. Triangulating landmarks known only to him, led him to find it, every time. I took that clue to be the best one, over-turning large flat rocks. So, Walsh found his mine simply, by chance! Good Luck with that.
I write this as if he is still with us, today.
Hopefully he got a lot of stuff on tape whether it be audio or video. Thx for sharing. Great stuff!!
good video.
I'm surprised Mr. Kollenborn never mentioned the Peralta Sones.
He did privately. Never thought much of them.
Interesting@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969
In reguard for the LDGM whoever has said that they found the mine in real life these people have turned up dead. Nearly every one of them. Soo lets look at the one clue that everyone just gets glued into. Waltz said that he would stay at the Inn on his way to his mine. Well this homestead building went right into the heart of the SS Mountains. If you were seriously looking for his mine it would be in a direct line with this building bc it was on the way to his gold mine. For me the convinceing part is how hard it is to get to the mine and the terrian being soo dangerous it is the reason why noone's claimed it since it's in a dangerous area to navigate to get into. The thought of gold being closer to the east side is still what drives me torwards the eastern direction instead of the west.
Most of the people who turned up dead in the mountains, had no business being there. The veterans don’t have that same fate
Tell us about the mining done at the Pit Mine in the 1990s and the pics
Which group ? It’s the Silverchief. There’s a lot of pictures of the trash and tunnel. Maybe one day I’ll get one of the guys who mucked it to talk about it
Always wonder about they havent told us
I knew Tom Kollenborn from around 2009 until is death. He was much older, slower, and his voice was quite a bit different. He's way younger in this video, so I would guess this is around the 1980's.
BTW, you won't meet a person with more integrity than Tom had.
This is cool 😎! Just what I needed to disconnect….
The USGS Survey Tom is talking about is USGS Circular 609: "Mercury in soil gas and air--A potential tool in mineral exploration". Shows how there is a very high level of airborne mercury vapor along the North Side of the mountains along Apache Trail that is indicative of either huge natural mercury deposits or a lot of mining activity.
My bet is the mercury is in the Salt River streambed, a leftover from small scale mining activity during the Great Depression. It was common practice in those days to put some mercury in the last ripple of your sluice box to catch the fines. This mercury was frequently lost into the stream.
The fact that Holmes ended up with the gold does support his story. People say he stole the gold, but if that was the case why didn't Julia know about the gold. No one ever talks about what exactly happened to the money from the gold Holmes got did any of it go back to Julia.
It is just said that he ended up with the gold. I think he was the middleman if anything or saw the transaction. There is no documentation he actually sold it and he was pretty poor and lived off his dad a bit.
When you think about Jacob he was all over the place looking for gold in the mountains. What you glue into with Jacob is his age. When he first started chizzeling away at rock he was 66 years old. You realize that he's a good size man and cannot do mileage well on foot. Soo where he went into the mountains he most likely could only stay around certain areas and if you look at different area's you cannot fathom getting into. Waltz stayed in most pubic area's until he found his mine. This was documented regularly. Soo if we look at this mine he accidently found it where a rugged terrain was soo getting to his mine is like the worst of conditons to get to it bc he said I've got to show you EXACTLY WHERE THE MINE IS OR YOU'LL NEVER FIND IT. Now think about that. It's only going to be found in the worst terrian to get to it. I think this is the reason why nobody can find it. It's like comeing across a $100 dollar bill out there in the wind blowing it. To find the mine is of the worst conditions due to nobody being able to get to it.
It lies north of black mesa and the Peralta stones show it among a dozen other mines.
Sounds like a good story and that’s all
Remember this story has been part fact and tales! No none person alive knows to facts! So we have to leave this a a big mystery !
One thing for sure if anyone found it they're not going to tell anyone cuz they don't want the government to take it
My thoughts exactly. Sounds like a stash, not a mine.
Gold is where you find it.
"No miner will ever find it" could mean the mine is in a basin so that erosion won't leave a trail of placer gold that can be followed to the vein. That's probably the most common method of prospecting for lode gold.
He said no miner would find it because it had no tailings and no dump and the area didn’t seem conducive for gold
@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 That's strange. The shaft was wider than the vein, and I read somewhere it was 75 feet deep. If there are no tailings, where did all that extra rock go?
@@LuckyBaldwin777 I don’t think Waltz gave too much information. It’s supposed to go down and slowly start going horizontal. Of course Waltz is the only one who knew and he is not talking
@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 I forget where, but I remember reading that Waltz said it was an incline shaft that flared out from the bottom but wasn't so steep that you couldn't climb down. He also said that they found another outcrop of the vein farther down and started to tunnel on that. That tunnel is what Waltz covered over with ironwood and hid the opening.
Do you think victorio Peak is where the Mexican treasury is from maxamilluon
No idea
What year was this interview of Tom?
No idea, a lot of stuff was not labeled
True
He said that because it's a stash and not a mine
You won't belive where i found the LDG 2014... .,.
You're right. I won't believe it.
The story i heard was that waltz and his partner had been shown a sacred cave where gold had been stashed during a massacre and they went there to steal what they could they were attacked and he managed to get away i dont believe there ever was a mine per say it was a cave where gold had been stashed
Hmmmm. Never heard that one
Seems to me a cave would have a stash of gold bars, not gold ore. Ore has a lot of rock attached to the gold and therefore is very bulky to transport. Get rid of the rock , cast it into bars, and it would be much easier to transport to the cave. I'm afraid your story is Breyfogle.
Absolutely incorrect 😊
That's what I think also
Maybe the Superstitions was a map of Germany..and maybe it was further north or east
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Has Anyone Searched For The Spanish perlita Mines Mexican mines
Mommoth area....nw corner
You'll never find it why do eye know this because that mine Doesn't Exist
Ok I’m going to make y’all laugh but then think “what if he is correct “ I’ve been to the Dutchman’s goldmine mountain. The Peralta stone maps are not Peralta they are a Jesuit Priest cypher. I saw all the clues with my own eyes. The stone man the face rock the horse face. My diabetes got my legs jacked. But the mine is well hidden in the side of the mountain. If my body lets me I’m going back.
Travis Tumlison made the maps. They're hoaxes. His own family has admitted that and even shown other stone carvings he did. The "priest" or "witch" was copied from his daughters coloring book. Many researchers have corroborated these facts by interviewing multiple family members and looking at family documents and at other stone carvings known to have been carved by Tumlinson.
THE ORE IS PRICELESS NOW THESE ONE PERSON THAT NO'S THE LOCATION TODAYS PRICE $$20 MILLION $$A TON