An amazing discussion with two amazing women! Thank you for sharing your valuable insights on this very relatable topic. It's taken me my whole life to recognize the signals of overwhelm and then slow down long enough to actually listen, honor it, and let it move through. What a concept?!
It's so helpful discussion for the people at this stage. A good way to think about it is, yes it is that feeling that we suffer but we need to try to suffer wisely. It involves education and expanding the tolerance, knowing it is totally normal response of our brain and body. When you overwhelmed it can be very tricky because your brain will give you a lot of irrelevant thoughts and you will feel that it is not possible but you just need to be patient and give it time. Couple years ago I tend to be so overwhelmed that it felt like I'm in a dream, everything seemed blurry and I was only inside my head, nothing was pleasant etc (there was a lot of "symptoms"). Now I'm just on my way to recovery. Most nights I sleep well but there is still a window for improvement here and there :)
How is your sleep now? Me like you. I got insomnia 4 months ago, september 2024. Now jan 25 getting better , sometimes ups and down. I also got good sleep deep sleep + core sleep+REM sleep. But sometimes rem sleep that makes me feel tired when wake up and then feel.fresh.Still have a residu of anxiety , anxious thought fear of not able to sleep. I still make peace with that
My sleep is pretty good, I sleep like a baby lately 😅 what you wrote in your comment, you even divided the sleep in to phases and counting which phase you had more or less. I would say, try not to, same with the time you slept, and all things around the sleep. Just try to lay down, invite the anxiety and anxious thoughts and be okay with what you feel, the feelings are coming and going away. It is all the manifestation of our survival mechanism and a good way to look at this is that when you have a flu and all the symptoms, then you are not worried about the symptoms, you just wait until the organism will deal with infection. I treated it in a similar way, the feeling and thoughts are just and only symptoms of this mechanism, nothing more, this way you know you are safe and there is no threat. I hope this will help a bit but if you have any questions then ask, I'll try to answer whenever I can.
@@TheCrocwise Oh you right. Im too busy divide my sleep and tracking my sleep in order wanting to see good result. Thats make a pressure in my brain, and thats why im not sleep like a baby alhought once i got 7 hours.. only one day and very gratefull. I will stop to divide my sleep and count my sleep hour 😅. All i want is to get my sleep normal but i belief in God, my sleep become much better before i got insomnia, like yours😉, like a baby. Thanks for your answer really really knock me😃. I will get there. Yea if i have a question, i will ask you😀. God bless you.. from Indonesia
This is so helpful. I think learning tricks to manage that emotional state of "overwhelm" is perhaps the most helpful thing we can do to engage in "the dance" of insomnia recovery. It is truly just as important as the work of acceptance. Just this morning when I awakened too early, I relaxed my mind and leaned into the overwhelm, breathed into it, kept redirecting my mind to just relax, accept. And... I snoozed a bit longer. Woot woot! It doesn't always work so directly, but boy, any time it does, it's a gift and I don't take it for granted. Thank you for sharing this! XOXO
Wonderful discussion which is so relevant in my journey 😅. I have days where the discomfort has become more tolerable and I see it as a sign of progress. Its just im more tired which I understand as post hyperarousal fatigue.
Hi Aly and Michelle. Thank you for taking the time to explain this facet of insomnia recovery. For me, it felt very reassuring to hear your experiences and how I've been able to reflect on my own journey. I think I became stuck in the desire to 'accept' wakefulness yet feel at times, unable too and feeling overwhelmed, with all the accompanying self criticism. Although I did work out what I needed to do in order to move forward (I read information on distress tolerance and self kindness) it was really helpful to hear you both normalise this part of recovery. I'm sure somewhere within Daniels videos, this topic may / will have been covered, alongside information ive gleaned from Alina, however it was important / timely in relation to my own circumstances/ journey to help reinforce what I've gone through previously and still occasionally experience, albeit in a more diluted sense. Thank you for taking the time to upload this session. Ian
Thank you @ianquigley5070 for taking the time to comment, share your experience and watch the episode. Your support means so much and I am so glad it was helpful! Coach Aly
Hi Aly, your story helps me so much can I ask you a question? I finally caved (accepting I needed help with a pill was a huge step for me) and tried mirtazapine for sleep and it’s helping me lot. I know you had mentioned you had used this, do you still use it? I am so worried the sleep on it will wear off because it’s helped me immensely. Did it ever stop working for you as far as a sleeping aid or did you come off it? Knowing someone like yourself has struggled with the same thing I have been so helpful. Sending you lots of love 💕 I’m trying to educate myself on this channel so I am prepared for any kind of change up in my sleep again.
@maggiemagsbond83 Hi Maggie! I still take mirtazapine on occasion and have no issues with it. recovery is about freedom from fear, all the fears around sleep including the meds. The brain responds the same no matter what the fear is, so the work of recovery is about meeting all of these fears and making peace with them. Because I am no longer afraid of wakefulness and I'm also not afraid of sleep meds, it is a non issue. This is incredibly liberating. It took time for me to take down long held fear based beliefs that were keeping me stuck but once I could see what those were and saw through them and how the were all coming from fear, not freedom, they began to unravel. There's nothing wrong at all with using a med to support yourself but addressing the fear around that; the fear they stop working for example is also important. Reach out if you want to schedule a 1:1 session! Thanks for watching! 😊
This one was really hard for me to hear because I haven’t had luck with any single medication so the thought of medication being one of the main things that was referenced here as self-care was very disheartening.
Hi! @amyj8476 we of course don't give medical advice, we are just sharing our experiences of overwhelm here. And... There are so many ways to support ourselves that don't involve medication. And we talked about many of these as well. The point really was that everyone must find their own way. We can be so hard on ourselves and judge ourselves harshly for using a prescribed medication which just adds more fuel to the hyperarousal fire. The point of us discussing the use of a med is to say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a prescribed medication that can be supportive. And it is certainly not the only way to support ourselves, far from it. We each must find our own way, that is the journey. Hope that makes sense! Thanks for sharing! ❤ Coach Aly
An amazing discussion with two amazing women! Thank you for sharing your valuable insights on this very relatable topic. It's taken me my whole life to recognize the signals of overwhelm and then slow down long enough to actually listen, honor it, and let it move through. What a concept?!
Thank you for this. Very timely information for me.
It's so helpful discussion for the people at this stage. A good way to think about it is, yes it is that feeling that we suffer but we need to try to suffer wisely. It involves education and expanding the tolerance, knowing it is totally normal response of our brain and body. When you overwhelmed it can be very tricky because your brain will give you a lot of irrelevant thoughts and you will feel that it is not possible but you just need to be patient and give it time. Couple years ago I tend to be so overwhelmed that it felt like I'm in a dream, everything seemed blurry and I was only inside my head, nothing was pleasant etc (there was a lot of "symptoms"). Now I'm just on my way to recovery. Most nights I sleep well but there is still a window for improvement here and there :)
How is your sleep now? Me like you. I got insomnia 4 months ago, september 2024. Now jan 25 getting better , sometimes ups and down. I also got good sleep deep sleep + core sleep+REM sleep. But sometimes rem sleep that makes me feel tired when wake up and then feel.fresh.Still have a residu of anxiety , anxious thought fear of not able to sleep. I still make peace with that
My sleep is pretty good, I sleep like a baby lately 😅 what you wrote in your comment, you even divided the sleep in to phases and counting which phase you had more or less. I would say, try not to, same with the time you slept, and all things around the sleep. Just try to lay down, invite the anxiety and anxious thoughts and be okay with what you feel, the feelings are coming and going away. It is all the manifestation of our survival mechanism and a good way to look at this is that when you have a flu and all the symptoms, then you are not worried about the symptoms, you just wait until the organism will deal with infection. I treated it in a similar way, the feeling and thoughts are just and only symptoms of this mechanism, nothing more, this way you know you are safe and there is no threat. I hope this will help a bit but if you have any questions then ask, I'll try to answer whenever I can.
@@TheCrocwise
Oh you right. Im too busy divide my sleep and tracking my sleep in order wanting to see good result. Thats make a pressure in my brain, and thats why im not sleep like a baby alhought once i got 7 hours.. only one day and very gratefull. I will stop to divide my sleep and count my sleep hour 😅. All i want is to get my sleep normal but i belief in God, my sleep become much better before i got insomnia, like yours😉, like a baby. Thanks for your answer really really knock me😃. I will get there. Yea if i have a question, i will ask you😀. God bless you.. from Indonesia
Such a beautiful and impactful talk. Thank you for this video, they truly help! 😊
Thank you for watching and for sharing, we appreciate you! ❤ Coach Aly
This is so helpful. I think learning tricks to manage that emotional state of "overwhelm" is perhaps the most helpful thing we can do to engage in "the dance" of insomnia recovery. It is truly just as important as the work of acceptance. Just this morning when I awakened too early, I relaxed my mind and leaned into the overwhelm, breathed into it, kept redirecting my mind to just relax, accept. And... I snoozed a bit longer. Woot woot! It doesn't always work so directly, but boy, any time it does, it's a gift and I don't take it for granted. Thank you for sharing this! XOXO
@merriecampbell-lee7802
Thanks so much for your wonderful comments and support my friend! ❤
Wonderful discussion which is so relevant in my journey 😅. I have days where the discomfort has become more tolerable and I see it as a sign of progress. Its just im more tired which I understand as post hyperarousal fatigue.
Hi Aly and Michelle. Thank you for taking the time to explain this facet of insomnia recovery. For me, it felt very reassuring to hear your experiences and how I've been able to reflect on my own journey. I think I became stuck in the desire to 'accept' wakefulness yet feel at times, unable too and feeling overwhelmed, with all the accompanying self criticism. Although I did work out what I needed to do in order to move forward (I read information on distress tolerance and self kindness) it was really helpful to hear you both normalise this part of recovery. I'm sure somewhere within Daniels videos, this topic may / will have been covered, alongside information ive gleaned from Alina, however it was important / timely in relation to my own circumstances/ journey to help reinforce what I've gone through previously and still occasionally experience, albeit in a more diluted sense. Thank you for taking the time to upload this session. Ian
Thank you @ianquigley5070 for taking the time to comment, share your experience and watch the episode. Your support means so much and I am so glad it was helpful! Coach Aly
@alyhansen9907 ❤️
Hi Aly, your story helps me so much can I ask you a question? I finally caved (accepting I needed help with a pill was a huge step for me) and tried mirtazapine for sleep and it’s helping me lot. I know you had mentioned you had used this, do you still use it?
I am so worried the sleep on it will wear off because it’s helped me immensely. Did it ever stop working for you as far as a sleeping aid or did you come off it?
Knowing someone like yourself has struggled with the same thing I have been so helpful. Sending you lots of love 💕 I’m trying to educate myself on this channel so I am prepared for any kind of change up in my sleep again.
@maggiemagsbond83
Hi Maggie! I still take mirtazapine on occasion and have no issues with it. recovery is about freedom from fear, all the fears around sleep including the meds. The brain responds the same no matter what the fear is, so the work of recovery is about meeting all of these fears and making peace with them. Because I am no longer afraid of wakefulness and I'm also not afraid of sleep meds, it is a non issue. This is incredibly liberating. It took time for me to take down long held fear based beliefs that were keeping me stuck but once I could see what those were and saw through them and how the were all coming from fear, not freedom, they began to unravel.
There's nothing wrong at all with using a med to support yourself but addressing the fear around that; the fear they stop working for example is also important. Reach out if you want to schedule a 1:1 session! Thanks for watching! 😊
This one was really hard for me to hear because I haven’t had luck with any single medication so the thought of medication being one of the main things that was referenced here as self-care was very disheartening.
Hi! @amyj8476 we of course don't give medical advice, we are just sharing our experiences of overwhelm here. And... There are so many ways to support ourselves that don't involve medication. And we talked about many of these as well. The point really was that everyone must find their own way. We can be so hard on ourselves and judge ourselves harshly for using a prescribed medication which just adds more fuel to the hyperarousal fire. The point of us discussing the use of a med is to say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a prescribed medication that can be supportive. And it is certainly not the only way to support ourselves, far from it. We each must find our own way, that is the journey. Hope that makes sense! Thanks for sharing! ❤
Coach Aly