Harold Shipman used to be my sister's doctor when she was younger. She is very fortunate and grateful to be here still as is everyone else in my family!
Apparently many of Shipman's patients thought he was great - a very conscientious and caring family GP who really looked after them. In fact, the documentary even basically implies that's how he got away with it. He actually did have some quite modern ideas for the time and in 1982 appeared on the _World In Action_ programme, talking about how mental health patients could be cared for in the community and how it would be much better for them instead of just being yeeted out to asylums. That was absolute bleeding edge thinking for those days and he really did fight quite hard for those people.
@@gerrit8480 patients loved him. If you've ever been a carer for an elderly relative you can instinctively understand why he got away with it. Elderly patients love nothing more than being paid attention to, and hope given to continue living. Shipman got away with it on that basis
Who knows ? There would have been at least 30/40 within a a 10 mile radius! What if he was a scapegoat because of his past? I am not saying he was. But what if?
My Dr told me she doesn't want to kill me. She said she couldn't be there cause I'm so young... So I'm stalling... Ok I'm not serious, but my Dr. handles elderly (very) terminal patients & here we have a country wide legal euthanasia so she does that a couple times per year, legally. Ofc. This is a good thing, because patients can then have a clearer stance of when they plan to go or not, naturally or not & have a "end of life” group that attends to them straightening out their will, funeral arrangements & such. Sometimes people might turn a blind eye if it's not legal, some patients might beg to die, cease eating, drinking & get hmm easy access to something. People should have the right to die so it all clear that if they are the ones requesting it given they're capable of that decision, it's on no uncertain terms & no foul play suspected (Again in my country this is not willy nilly, there is normally a team, with mental assessment, legal counsel, family counseling & the setting of how the person will be getting their final rest & family normally attends, what music they want, meals etc... Its very humane, I think. & Those who want to die naturally can also choose that & get the fitting support)
@@alonemusk2312 what's so bizarre about shipman is that he never offered ANY explanation for his crimes. I have a close friend whom worked at Wakefield prison and told me he refused to shave and just stared blankly at staff, when remanded and not formally charged he was friendly and arrogant and socialized regularly, he liked winning prison trivia contests. Once it all came out he said nothing to anyone. Shipman will forever be infamous because no one will ever know what on earth his motives were
@@patriceaqa288 I think if you asked why, the answer would probably be, why not? Just seemed he did it out of boredom or habbit or something. It was easy to get away with and maybe gave him a little kick or something. Who knows.
@@patriceaqa288 the evidence clearly speaks for himself Shipman wanted to turn rich of the people, he got rid off without an explanation he would sit there with some truth serum and probably only nod his intelligence and arrogance got him that far that he believed he could get away with murder and that's reason enough from his point of view a confession would lead to nothing, not a good deal or anything for a lesser prison sentence he is what he is a vile human being
i actually see nothing wrong with him going for a run in the rain til 2am after his mum dying ....time to think about things, i really dont see how thats odd.
Because most people in any given society have a set of ideas that they consider 'normal' and anyone that moves outside those boundaries is weird. Stupid but that's how it is no matter where you live. If you don't like the laws or social rules you can still quietly break them, anyway.
It was the casual way he talked about it so soon afterwards that was odd, not the going for a run. In retrospect though it does make you wonder if that run was when the idea came to him of how easy it would be to get away with both killing people for the thrill of it, and taking as much morphine as he wanted, if he became a doctor like the ones caring for his mother.
She deserved that burn cuz she kept on claiming that Dr Shipman was innocent all along. And when he killed himself, she tried to get an investigation going cuz she thought he'd been murdered, but no-one gave a crap.
Because they’re not detectives and they don’t have to follow the law during their investigation. The laws are strict to keep innocent people from being incarcerated. Unfortunately, sometimes this is a bad thing. Don’t blame the detectives.
Bridgette Mildred How so??? I just thought that the name was kinda funny. How is that childish and pathetic to find my own personal thought funny and to express that openly? Am I not allowed to do that? How else would you have preferred me trying to express that I found the thought funny? Putting “hahahaha” seems a little much. The 😂 emoji was also a little much for the small amount of laughter I had. Therefore I put “lol” because I clicked on the video becauseee of the silly name and how villainous it sounded. I didn’t mean anything bad by it.
It's so backwards ... The doctor has the respect of the community to the point the police are embarrassed to question him ... the simple caring taxi driver feels no one will believe him if he voices his concern and suspicions. Oj Simpson got away with murder too ... for the same exact reasons ... it's other people who put them up so high and they knock down anyone who says different. Beware of what you create.
Not even just those used to have a friend (not any longer a friend of course) who was a practising religious person who has been sentenced for abusing children, a paedophile quite essentially. Actually quite shocked and highly appalled of course, it's not just the church's management thats the problem or rather workers I don't know the correct phrase to use but yeah.....
Many serial killers have the respect of the community, high up in the social ladder and held in high regard by everyone they meet. That's the scary thing
@@GibboFrank cuz my history teacher told me and my class because were on the topic of serial killers more specifically Jack the Ripper and I know that my teacher was a kid at that time because I know his general age. How else would I know.
He is the most normal looking dude I have ever seen, which makes this whole thing even scarier. These people are living among us and sometimes, we have no idea. Stay safe out there!
Hulkerine100: Many, but not all, were probably lonely and feeling forgotten. They saw his calls as visits and looked forward to them. At that time, (and I could be wrong since I'm not British), few doctors were willing to make home visits. In the U.S. NONE are. Get to the office or go to a hospital.
My dad's GP came to his funeral when he died. She felt terrible, as if she could have prevented it. She said she tried not to think about it. I said "no one could have known this would happen." I know this because she is also my GP. People go into general practitioner careers because they sincerely care. This is still just so unimaginable, even all these years later
@@annabelladebonnay8320 idk if they are trusted TOO MUCH, but 100% you should annoy them with questions. Ask every question you can think of. A good doctor will welcome it, as you are an important part of the team when it comes to your own medical care (obviously lmao). But seriously, good doctors welcome scrutiny and second opinions. Greater involvement means better care
this proves two things to me . One , we put two much trust in uniforms and titles like Dr and in authority , and , TWO , following on from the we need to question authority if we feel the need .
Amen! My sentiments exactly. Doctors are considered by authorities in our society as little gods that cannot do any wrong, even though every day at least one is charged with fraud, malpractice and/or negligence. Then in the state of Florida it requires another 3 doctors to corroborate the medical malpractice and/or negligence to ensure bad doctors are able to continue "Practicing" medicine ~ probably in the hope that maybe someday they will get it right.
A doctor killed my grandmother with an overdose of Dilaudid. She walked into the ER with leg cramps and never walked out. We proved that (at the very least) the doctor was negligent. All the doctor got was a slap on the wrist and a letter in her file. No lawyer would take our case because my grandmother was "too old" for a good payout. After watching this documentary, I'm wondering if my grandmother was murdered. I've mostly been of the opinion that it was gross incompetence, but it seems awfully convenient that she received TWO doses of Dilaudid, the second after she reported a pain level of zero.
People like that so-called doctor have no idea of the weight of pain they inflict on people. If I was ever responsible of somebody dying, I'd NEVER get over that. But it seems when people think they have a big title with a bunch of initials behind their name, they think they're above everybody to do anything they want. I've worked around enough of them to experience it for myself. I hate the healthcare setting sometimes.
This happened to my nana as well with morphine at our local hospital. She had a fall and had broken her shoulder and never came out of the hospital, she recieved 2 doses of morphine almost back to back. She only weighed about 95lbs.
8:14 im accually astounded how little this doctor is mentioned considering she was the person who really kicked off the case. she realised how almost every one of shipmans patients were dying, and well how even for a gp specializing in older people it was a really disrturbing amount, and im also surprised how they didnt care to mention how she was intially brushed off with her number of concerns i really recommend watching the shipman files crime documentary for yourself as its really informative and goes really in depth on the wholr story
Actually dr Sue Booth WASN'T the first one to be alerted, it was the undertaker's daughter Debbie who then WENT to Dr Booth who took it from there.... sooooo you may wanna look into this properly lol! 😒
I don't think that's true. The difference is with the first one, nothing looks wrong - a Doctor's sick Patients dying is kinda normal. But a Patient putting a Doctor in their Will as the sole beneficiary- esp. if the Patient hasn't been singing their praises or told their closest Friends or it is out of Character: that is very suspicious, and a forgery can be investigated. Once one thing gets investigated, then the whole thing will likely unravel.
What Platypus said. Until he got complacent towards the end, he had always been clever in how he committed murder, but inheritance fraud must have seemed low-risk by comparison and he was unbelievably sloppy about it. Choosing one of his healthiest victims, whose daughter was a solicitor who had the real will in her house, and not even bothering to make sure it looked like a real solicitor wrote it.
The Lady’s daughter who is a solicitor became suspicious of a very amateurish forgery. And not because of a change in the inheritance. Or at least that’s how I saw it.
It's not that nobody cared, it's that nobody suspected anything... at least until later. Elderly patients die and doctors sign their death certificates. It's completely normal. Furthermore, he was a well respected doctor and a well respected man in his community. Nobody suspected such a thing. The reason he was suspected after he was made a beneficiary in the will was because it was because, firstly, his daughter was extremely suspicious that her mother would leave everything to a doctor and not her own children and grandchildren, and secondly because she pursued it and didn't let it drop. It really didn't have anything to do with people not caring.
The fact that Shipman looks like a genuinely wise and kind doctor in the photos is so scary and sad for his victims. One detail that many serial killers have is a heartache with their mother, disorders and a tragic childhood. Scary that at any time someone can be born into a dysfunctional family and it only takes time to become a monster.
@@randymillhouse791 I mean, it's proven: we're born this way. Since we were kids we like to break some rules, right? But there are people who recognize that this is wrong and correct that mistake. Some people are unfortunately born sick, the environment has only exposed them. Shipman was an example of that.
@@randymillhouse791 It's choices. Good people can suffer all they want, but they choose to overcome their traumas. Evil people always tend to blame the wrong people.
I knew a GP who had worked with Shipman before he moved to Hyde. He was suspicious even then, but could prove nothing. He carried the shame to his grave.
@@robcord5982 The story was told to me by husband. I have no reason to disbelieve him. The GP in question plainly had some issues. His weight yoyo-ed between normal and very obese. I cannot tell you his name for reasons of his privacy (although he died about 10 years ago) and mine.
@@verycreativename1865 That's not the point. People still call him a doctor because doctors are qualified to operate on their patients. Well he murdered them but he had the full ability and knowledge to cure them. Thats what technically makes him a "doctor".
Nearly all his victims were old widowed or divorced single women. They were old but in good health, leading quite a vigorous active life before suddenly dying.
@nosiphodywili35 though killing the elderly was likely to raise less attention than asking everyone to believe say the 40-49 year olds in the town were all dying of natural causes. Could have been a combination of both.
He always looked old. There's a clip of him from the 1980s when he was supposedly in his mid-30s - he was overweight and had a full beard in that clip so he passed for more like early 40s. Had he not done what he did, not been jailed, and simply carried on practicing medicine he would probably have retired around the year 2009 or so. He'd be 76 right now had he lived.
He was my godmother's doctor during both of her pregnancies. She says he was a nice, professional doctor to her, but then that's probably just because she was the 20-something that she was. Most of us live our lives taking people's niceness at surface level (and we should, because its not a happy life constantly waiting for someone to try and murder you), but its scary to think of how many nice people you've met have been horrible, or criminal, the second you turned around.
It was good the funeral directors became suspicious and tried to do something about it, shipman was making a very good living for them, they couid have kept quiet and reaped the rewards!!
An elderly man goes to surgery to talk to the doctor that diagnosed his SON with cancer and gets killed. Sir, I am so sorry. Your Dad loved you so so much. He is a true hero and your guardian angel. I don't think he would have stopped asking and stopped fighting. If he had been alive during Shipman's trial, he would have been in the front row seeking justice. May he rest in peace.
Harold Shipman's case is chilling because he was so normal on the outside, but would murder people behind closed doors and all the way up until the victim's death, he'd act all kind and polite. It's so scary. We studied this in my A Level Psychology class in a unit about psychopathology, and how difficult it is to define someone as "abnormal" because they can still be completely "normal" and "sane" by society's standards but still commit atrocities without arousing any suspicion.
It hit him very hard and he was due to retire soon after . It was only originally a Fraud case but very quickly escalated into something more sinister.
I don't get this part at all. Surely, he needs to have at least 1 assistant or something. I don't know much about medicine but he can't be operating fully alone, can he?
Depends on what kind of doctor he is. My doctor doesn't have any nurses on hire for example. Just receptionists. So basically he is acting alone yeah, but there are other doctors in the building too. I dont think they check each other's work though
If you can't trust a Doctor, who can you trust? What a truly despicable, utterly cruel and wicked monster Shipman was. I will never understand what drives a person to do the things he did.
Why not a Dr or nurse? They are just like all of society, some good, some bad. Never trust anyone totally if something feels wrong don't feel bad checking on it. Sometimes gut feeling is your best truth detector
The detective said intrusion was the hardest part of his investigation I get that 100% those poor families seeing their loved ones exhumed must have been so painful
@@dewanmdurnto3592 i always say to Doctors whats the difference between a doctor and God when they look at me surprised i answer god dosnt think hes a doctor. Thst puts them right i also lije to remind them those forms they grt us sll to sign are totally meaningless legally i know but i agree the pedestal thsy are put on is not deserved some sre great but many only got just over 50 a pass at university as well theyre human oeople shoukd always question and get a second opinion
People routinely put medical doctors on pedestals - what's awful is that he preyed on old ladies who would be completely trusting in their beloved doctor.
From what I can see, he didn't begin killing until he had his own surgery. Until he had been practicing medicine in that community for a long time. So it wasn't undeserved - he earned the people's respect, and then abused it. If it were undeserved, it'd haave been that he faked all his degrees and was a total quack. Like so many people, he earned respect, then abused it because he suddenly had no constraints.
From when the funeral directors start to notice, then you know there's something wrong! The fact he didn't even take into account that the woman's money he wanted had any children that she may have already willed to, how clever could he have been, it was solely because he was a doctor and people rarely question them.
Father Dennis has a lovely laid back attitude @35:42 where he is literally lying down in his chair while being interviewed. He was so relaxed I was halfway expecting him to nod off for a little nap at any moment.
My Dad used to fix Shipman's photocopier and said he was a sound bloke. I said yeah but he was probably bumping off old dears in the next room when he said he was making you a brew.
@@cadaverdog1424 300+ counts of murder are "small mistakes"? Are you dilusional or are you a troll? I'd say too many people give too much of a damn about outwards appearance and fake facades, otherwise his doings would have been questioned and unfolded much sooner, considering this has been going on for over 20 years.
@@cadaverdog1424 this attitude right here is why most serial killers get away with it. Being nice to strangers doesn’t make you good and it certainly doesn’t define your character. “He’s too nice to murder those people.” Well, he might be very different behind closed doors. People can be very good at faking it because people like you believe whatever bs they say. Look at the evidence and stop relying on people’s words.
You've called Shipman a mass muderer in this documentary but he was not a mass murderer. A serial killer and a mass murderer are not the same thing. A school shooter is an example of a mass murderer, someone who kills a lot of people in one single killing spree. Shipman was not that, he was a serial killer, someone who killed numerous people over a longer period of time.
Watching this videos reminds me of my mother, she was okay when i was with her in hospital (despite of having breast cancer that time). I was gone for only one day and ask my younger brother to look after her. The next day i came to the hospital, she was in critical condition. I didn't knw wht the doc/nurse gave my mom, she passed away that night. I always bring this guilt, why did i leave her for 1 day. 😭.. All these time i was with her and that day i was very tired and needed rest, that's why i switched with my brother. My mother was in good condition and even have made friend with patients around her. I prayed that if there was wrongdoing from the hospital, God will punish them accordingly
Same here with my dad...he was fine nothing was wrong with him when he was taken to hospice. One days later his health deteriorates completely .... He was unable to eat ,speak nor move . I was feeling something is not right there . Still until this day it’s Been 11 years I’m feeling that guilt. May Allah have mercy on them .
I understand the feeling of guilt when this happens to loved ones. I nurse crtical/terminal people, and it's common that they wait until loved ones are not present, to pass. Even if they seem to be doing better or stable for the moment. My point is, do not carry that guilt with you and God forbid, the situation was enveloped by foul play. God Bless
Its not uncommon for terminally ill patients to deteriorate extremly fast. Being stable and seemingly okay or even slightly bettering and death can be only hours apart.
You are not guilty of anything, it was normal to need to have a proper rest when your mum was feeling well. If the medical stuff did smth to her they will answer to God.
he’s a classic psychopath, cunning, pompous feeling of self worth, arrogant and loved to be in control. That feeling of power over a vulnerable victim is something psychopaths crave, and Dr Shipman found a way to achieve this rush by becoming a doctor with a large amount of frail and elderly patients. The fact that they didn’t mention the possibility of psychopathy in this documentary shocks me
@@debbiepeter112 In general, if someone really hated her, they might have wanted to be the one to do it. Or, maybe they considered it a "mercy kill". Idk if either of those apply, but they are justifications that someone could give to killing someone who's dying.
SlayAnj -Artist good point! Regardless of her dying from Cancer his need to control, his sadistic nature would have overwhelmed him. Killing gave him power.
At the time the case broke my boss at the time - his wife worked in the town shipman practiced in - she was a bank teller in a community where lots of people knew each other. Shipman apparently was loved by the elderly. They wanted to get on his books etc if they weren’t already. Madness.
I don't think she knew that much. She wrote to him in prison asking him to tell her everything, no matter what. There isn't any record of whether he replied or what his reply contained. Certainly the Shipman children all changed their names and scattered after his trial.
Not sure if this is accurate but I thought one of the main reasons the Will of Mrs Grundy was questioned primarily due to the mention of her house? She apparently owned two properties (unknown to Shipman) but he only mentioned the one house in the forged will?
Have listened to many podcasts about this case. Never heard about the taxi driver before. The fact he cared enough to notice and record his concerns...❣️
Unfortunately that's a commonality in literally every case of medical-based serial murder that I've seen 😕 It tends to be the worst in larger hospitals and facilities, as the higher-ups often go to great lengths to prevent the word getting out (due to legal and financial ramifications, and the impact that may have on their reputation), even taking drastic measures to silence the other healthcare workers if they try to tell the authorities or general public. It's very scary and very sad.
Just really goes to show, how the elderly are so vulnerable & people do prey on others vulnerabilities & not to mention, if these elderly were alone. I don't trust anyone now..
I think everyone should always question the unusual when it comes to someone's death. People should learn to follow their instincts or conscience. They will find that it is a warning or a message to heed. Mine have always served me well. If it weren't for those people questioning the unusual deaths, this doctor would have gone on killing people.
Here in the Netherlands there was a nurse who was accused of murdering patients by her coworkers and bosses. She was convicted of 7 murders, sentenced to life, and spent 7 years in prison before she was declared innocent. So, "questioning" and "following your conscience" can also destroy an innocent person's life.
I was reviewing some medical records at work and this particular set I was looking at were from Shipmans practice. It sent a chill up my spine looking at his handwriting and stamp with his name on it. Very eerie.
it is wrong that a medical doctor with a drug addiction and forgery conviction was allowed back into general practice. I am a qualified solicitor and my view is that the BMA or whoever got that wrong....Shipman was a textbook psychopath hiding in plain view....I think the Coroner investigation also was a shoddy piece of work; I bet they didnt do hard close analysis of mortality profiles in Shipman's practice. Jobs for the Boys medics club, I reckon.
Graham Grimmett I think anyone deserves a second chance. However, not a working, licensed Dr. Especially an experienced Doctor, a medical student deserves a second chance. I mean sorry but we have a president who won by spreading racial hate, pointing fingers and blaming Mexicans in particular, WITH everything that is wrong with our country. Very well we all U.S. CITIZENS are NO LONGER BELIEVING IDIOT FOOLS. WE NO LONGER TRUST THE MEDIA. WE DON'T TRUST OUR CURRENT CITY, COUNTY, STATE, EVEN LESS GOV. OFFICIAL LEADERS. The current president used vulgarity gossip, lied EXAGGERATED still is doing this. The gov. Anmounces for example in April 2018 undocumented immigration went up over 200%!! Yet they don't mention the fact that it's last month that won't be so dangerously hot crossing the border. Don't mention TRUMO still giving refuge to central Americans who are not Mexican! OBUMER caused a human immigration crisis offering this to central Americans, NEVER TO MEXICANS! IT'S BEEN 8YRS. THAT MORE MEXICANS ARE LEAVING THE U.S. PERMANENTLY THAN COMING INTO THE U.S. TO STAY. THEY DON'T SAY EVEN THOUGH IN APRIL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION INCREASED 200% IT'S THE LOWEST IT'S BEEN IN DECADES. PEOPLE A WALL MILLIONS AND MILLIONS FOR WHO? OR WHAT? WAIT... FOR ANIMALS??? WHAT ABOUT AS BIRDS? LOL?
There is now an Aldi car park on the site of where the surgery was in Todmorden. The building had been boarded up for a few years. I was born and raised in the town. As one of the team of GPs, Dr Shipman treated me a few times. I was too young to remember but my dad said he seemed a good Dr. Then he had that fall in the bathroom. After that, while I was still very young, mum would always say to me as I went to take a bath, "Be careful, remember what happened happened to that Dr".
A very sick soul this Shipman boy. But there are plenty of his kind known as statesmen, politicians and military leaders, actually much worse ones. And they all say they are just taking good care of us.
@@David-ud9ju actually theres a rather large body of evidence that suggests people in those positions do indeed very often have some form of psychopathy. Not all psychopaths are murderers.
@@abbieisakilljoy6977 odd, I'm from the wirral so bout a hour or so drive from Manchester, I would if read it, not because as locals that's what we would do but I'm a suspicious and nosey person and read everything I sign my name to
Laura m I've been to a lot of doctors that now ask you to sign an electronic signature without even showing you what you're signing. I ask to see an actual copy of what I'm supposedly signing, because not every doctor/hospital uses the same privacy form, the same consent for treatment form, the same financial form, etc. and sometimes they update them, and there are responsibilities and restrictions you may not know about. They usually act like I'm being a bother because I won't be irresponsible and blindly trust them. And do you know what those forms almost always say? They say that by signing you're agreeing you've *read* the document! I've pointed that out to them and they always say "well you don't actually have to read it, no one really does".
They're sometimes called "Medical Practice" or are found inside a "Health" or "Medical" Centre. The doctor's "office" would refer to the room the doctor actually sits in while working, not the whole building as in the US parlance.
I heard about this case soon after it hit the news in 1998 (I think). To this day, after having seen several docos like this one, I still cannot believe that a doctor, after taking the Hippocratic Oath, can do this. Thanks for the upload Real Stories. Subscribed.
The fact that he input 'Deceased' into his computer before his patients are dead is just...I mean, if he had been killing for as long as he had, this came as no surprise. But still disgusting how he treats a human life.
Right? More dead ppl=more money to them. I'm proud of them for not thinking that way and instead looking at the growing loss of life with apprehension and suspicion.
At that time I had an appointment with a senior Partner of an NHS Medical Practice. Before we got down to whatever business for which I was there , the doctor leant forward confidentiality towards me and said , “ I think that it is the tip of the iceberg ! “ Later I thought , ‘ What an honest doctor ! ‘
I remember learning about Dr Death (Harold Shipman) and The Angel of Death (Beverley Allitt) when becoming a carer, we had to learn about them to show what bad safeguarding issues look like.
Kamila Bobokhojieva how did he have any patients if he was killing them off. That’s bad for business. No more office visits to make money off of once they were dead.
He obviously enjoyed killing more than he made money, people tend to be very trusting towards doctors so it would be easier to get away with it, wht with being in a prestigeous position.
Master of deception. Gained so much trust and respect that the very thought of him killing someone was unbelievable. He was extremely careful and very good at hiding his crimes throughout his twenty year reign of terror but towards the end he became inconsistent and made mistakes which were soon spotted.
They take advantage of our own immorality in society. Some target the senior, others runaway children, others minorities, others homosexuals, and so on. It's true. We are immoral by ignoring such groups and therefore leaving them vulnerable to predators.
As this happened during the time when questioning a "respectable" person a no no, I understand the hesitations of the these people who suspected the doctor was doing the unthinkable. Somehow I'm disappointed with the authorities for not looking upon the matter seriously early on, many of these victims could have been saved if they've done so.
A combination of wanting to feel close to his dead mother, feeling socially inadequate, and trying to remedy this by feeling in control over a dead body. Wanting to get back to his dead mother was a key psychological motivation, along with power and control.
I’ve been married to an abusive doctor for 20 years. There’s good doctors and horrible ones. Just like every other person and job. When a doctor has so much knowledge and access to medication, they can kill and get away with it. A huge problem for me is that as a patient with several chronic illnesses, it’s next to impossible to trust any doctors. So I don’t usually follow thru with treatments. So he wins in another way as well.
I don’t exactly know your situation but I sympathise. My father is a doctor and was incredibly abusive to my mom. He would intervene during her treatment and get her discharged etc. Thankfully I no longer see him, but it’s given my mom and I the fear of hospitals and a distrust of medical staff, because a lot of them got along with my dad very well.
My mum very casually brought up recently that she used to be the Pharmacy Technician that provided him with the drugs/medications for his patients unknowingly. My jaw dropped!
So, a victim dies and according their will ,all the inheritance goes to the doctor who had paid them a visit at the final hour of their lives. That smells real fishy to me, wonder why it took so many lives to find out about this maniac.
All serial killers get away with their crimes for a long time before they're caught. If they were arrested quickly they wouldn't be able to make so many victims.
the shade this doc threw on the killers wife .." then ,a pretty 17 year old window dresser" while showing a clip of her current state of being the opposite
I don't think that's true. The difference is with the first one, nothing looks wrong - a Doctor's sick Patients dying is kinda normal. But a Patient putting a Doctor in their Will - esp. if the Patient hasn't been singing their praises or told their closest Friends or it is out of Character: that is suspicious, and a forgery can be investigated. Actually, the first investigation 4 months earlier was as possible murders, so that did actually come first.
The taxi driver was the best detective of them all.
I haven't watched the video yet , but I agree
Shame he didn't come forward sooner, but then would he be taken seriously, it was a different world back then.
Really threw his wife under the bus, she must've been pissed when she watched this
He was a detective
Irony is that the Taxi driver profession isn't looked upon very well in society.
Harold Shipman used to be my sister's doctor when she was younger. She is very fortunate and grateful to be here still as is everyone else in my family!
That has to be scary, figuring out that your doctor is a murderer. Best of luck to your sister and your family
Edit: and too you too
Bruh that's terrifying
Apparently many of Shipman's patients thought he was great - a very conscientious and caring family GP who really looked after them. In fact, the documentary even basically implies that's how he got away with it.
He actually did have some quite modern ideas for the time and in 1982 appeared on the _World In Action_ programme, talking about how mental health patients could be cared for in the community and how it would be much better for them instead of just being yeeted out to asylums. That was absolute bleeding edge thinking for those days and he really did fight quite hard for those people.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 he did still kill 200 people though.
@@gerrit8480 patients loved him. If you've ever been a carer for an elderly relative you can instinctively understand why he got away with it. Elderly patients love nothing more than being paid attention to, and hope given to continue living. Shipman got away with it on that basis
Shipman actually sent a confession note to police years before he was arrested but nobody could make out his writing
...Is that a joke on doctor's handwriting?
@@DemBigOlEyes It sure is
Damn good joke!
That is a class joke
@@DemBigOlEyes You're sharp...
One does wonder how many "Doctors" like him are out there today ???
Muwahahahaha.
Maybe that's how Dr Claw started his criminal career.
Who knows ? There would have been at least 30/40 within a a 10 mile radius! What if he was a scapegoat because of his past? I am not saying he was. But what if?
It wouldn't be the first group of weirdos who are in it all together.
My Dr told me she doesn't want to kill me. She said she couldn't be there cause I'm so young... So I'm stalling...
Ok I'm not serious, but my Dr. handles elderly (very) terminal patients & here we have a country wide legal euthanasia so she does that a couple times per year, legally. Ofc. This is a good thing, because patients can then have a clearer stance of when they plan to go or not, naturally or not & have a "end of life” group that attends to them straightening out their will, funeral arrangements & such.
Sometimes people might turn a blind eye if it's not legal, some patients might beg to die, cease eating, drinking & get hmm easy access to something. People should have the right to die so it all clear that if they are the ones requesting it given they're capable of that decision, it's on no uncertain terms & no foul play suspected
(Again in my country this is not willy nilly, there is normally a team, with mental assessment, legal counsel, family counseling & the setting of how the person will be getting their final rest & family normally attends, what music they want, meals etc... Its very humane, I think. & Those who want to die naturally can also choose that & get the fitting support)
3:02 Is he really wearing a disney tie? Was there nobody in his life that said: "Nah, maybe not the right tie for this occasion?" 😂😂
Warhoofdje lol same hought
I shouldn’t laugh but I can’t help it. A Disney tie!
Ikr
May be he came to the church straight after attending his little one year old grandson's birthday!!!
Oh god it was the "fashion"back then. If you wore something disney everyone was jealous u went to Disneyland 🙄
The fact he recorded deaths before the person died is chilling, cold and calculating. Unimaginable!
Reminds me of Elliot Carver from "Tomorrow Never Dies"; he created crimes and murders to be the first to report on it
@@alexpennymeme1905 also Nightcrawler (2014)
@@alonemusk2312 what's so bizarre about shipman is that he never offered ANY explanation for his crimes. I have a close friend whom worked at Wakefield prison and told me he refused to shave and just stared blankly at staff, when remanded and not formally charged he was friendly and arrogant and socialized regularly, he liked winning prison trivia contests. Once it all came out he said nothing to anyone. Shipman will forever be infamous because no one will ever know what on earth his motives were
@@patriceaqa288 I think if you asked why, the answer would probably be, why not? Just seemed he did it out of boredom or habbit or something. It was easy to get away with and maybe gave him a little kick or something. Who knows.
@@patriceaqa288 the evidence clearly speaks for himself Shipman wanted to turn rich of the people, he got rid off without an explanation he would sit there with some truth serum and probably only nod his intelligence and arrogance got him that far that he believed he could get away with murder and that's reason enough from his point of view a confession would lead to nothing, not a good deal or anything for a lesser prison sentence he is what he is a vile human being
i actually see nothing wrong with him going for a run in the rain til 2am after his mum dying ....time to think about things, i really dont see how thats odd.
Laila Hepburn no me either. Seems quite natural to me, especially for a teenage boy, especially if the house was filled with grieving relatives
It depends on what he was wearing. If he put on his jogging outfit and and a pair of Nike Cortez then i can see how people might raise a eyebrow.
Calamity James lol!
Because most people in any given society have a set of ideas that they consider 'normal' and anyone that moves outside those boundaries is weird. Stupid but that's how it is no matter where you live. If you don't like the laws or social rules you can still quietly break them, anyway.
It was the casual way he talked about it so soon afterwards that was odd, not the going for a run. In retrospect though it does make you wonder if that run was when the idea came to him of how easy it would be to get away with both killing people for the thrill of it, and taking as much morphine as he wanted, if he became a doctor like the ones caring for his mother.
Man, you're talking about your dad's death. I wouldn't hold it against you if you said a curse word or two.
Init. Even worse, your dads murder though.
My great great auntie was his first female victim
Using curse words make you ugly
@@freyax2506 gz
@@martingamby9650 finally someone that spells init correctly
"then, a pretty window dresser"
That is unbelievably savage for a documentary of this sort. I shouldn't have laughed. But I did.
Bro, I laughed when they showed her and that line came up. That was lowkey comedy gold.
She deserved that burn cuz she kept on claiming that Dr Shipman was innocent all along. And when he killed himself, she tried to get an investigation going cuz she thought he'd been murdered, but no-one gave a crap.
I was looking for this comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one who loved that low-key savagery. We're bad people in good company. 😂
Ultimate burn.
For a British documentary it's a savage burn.
"56 hand picked detectives" 31:06 Don't waste public money. The taxi driver and the undertaker lady can do a better job!?
indeed
Because they’re not detectives and they don’t have to follow the law during their investigation. The laws are strict to keep innocent people from being incarcerated. Unfortunately, sometimes this is a bad thing. Don’t blame the detectives.
The UK police is pretty incompetent imo.
Lol they both decided he was not doing anything wrong.
A ridiculous statement brought on by arrogance
Imagine the taxi driver's wife ever trying to tell him he's wrong about something now.
Oh she will. That's a woman thing (even if he was always right)
mohammed khair who cares
@@truk1073 it seems you care lol
true
@@kherona you obviusly cared too bc u took the time to comment that
“Doctor Death” sounds like a comic book villain.
Bridgette Mildred Uh, alright? 😶
Bridgette Mildred I did giggle thinking about there being a comic book villain named Doctor Death, yes.
Bridgette Mildred How so??? I just thought that the name was kinda funny. How is that childish and pathetic to find my own personal thought funny and to express that openly? Am I not allowed to do that? How else would you have preferred me trying to express that I found the thought funny? Putting “hahahaha” seems a little much. The 😂 emoji was also a little much for the small amount of laughter I had. Therefore I put “lol” because I clicked on the video becauseee of the silly name and how villainous it sounded. I didn’t mean anything bad by it.
Omg 😂 brilliant
In the film overboard theres a comic called Dr. Death
It's so backwards ... The doctor has the respect of the community to the point the police are embarrassed to question him ... the simple caring taxi driver feels no one will believe him if he voices his concern and suspicions. Oj Simpson got away with murder too ... for the same exact reasons ... it's other people who put them up so high and they knock down anyone who says different. Beware of what you create.
Not to mention our respected religious kiddy fiddlers who also fall under that umbrella.
Not even just those used to have a friend (not any longer a friend of course) who was a practising religious person who has been sentenced for abusing children, a paedophile quite essentially. Actually quite shocked and highly appalled of course, it's not just the church's management thats the problem or rather workers I don't know the correct phrase to use but yeah.....
Anita Mitchell b
Many serial killers have the respect of the community, high up in the social ladder and held in high regard by everyone they meet. That's the scary thing
Well said, I agree people are so into power and job title they are too blame in some way also I believe.
He was my family doctor in the 70's mad to think he was Britain's worst serial killer!
He was also my history teacher's doctor turns out the last prescription harold gave was to my teacher later that day at lunch harold was arrested.
@@GibboFrank cuz my history teacher told me and my class because were on the topic of serial killers more specifically Jack the Ripper and I know that my teacher was a kid at that time because I know his general age. How else would I know.
@@GibboFrank who knows maybe I could ask my teacher to show the class the last prescription he ever gave to my teacher.
@@GibboFrank whatever you say big man
@@GibboFrank lolol
He is the most normal looking dude I have ever seen, which makes this whole thing even scarier. These people are living among us and sometimes, we have no idea. Stay safe out there!
he isn't normal looking, the beard is a clue, too neatly trimmed....too perfect.
no he looks like a slob!!!
Well if these assholes looked evil, We wouldnt go near em would we!!!
So its great cammo tbh
They are "normal people". Some of the worst serial killers blend in perfectly to society.
Oh no better panic!
🙄
What confused everyone the most is that Shipman's "patients" (aka victims) were all healthy and didn't needed these "home visits".
he's the angel of death visiting.
perhaps they were told, as many may assume, that older women or people are in need of additional attention?
Hulkerine100 older ladies love the attention
And the ones who died in the Surgery, The GP's they spoke to recoiled at this as it had never happened to them.
Hulkerine100: Many, but not all, were probably lonely and feeling forgotten. They saw his calls as visits and looked forward to them. At that time, (and I could be wrong since I'm not British), few doctors were willing to make home visits. In the U.S. NONE are. Get to the office or go to a hospital.
My dad's GP came to his funeral when he died. She felt terrible, as if she could have prevented it. She said she tried not to think about it. I said "no one could have known this would happen." I know this because she is also my GP.
People go into general practitioner careers because they sincerely care. This is still just so unimaginable, even all these years later
Maybe you are next?
People trust GP''s too much! Annoy your GP by asking numerous questions pertaining to your '',Treatment'!!
@@annabelladebonnay8320 you have to get past the receptionist first sometimes!
@@annabelladebonnay8320 idk if they are trusted TOO MUCH, but 100% you should annoy them with questions. Ask every question you can think of. A good doctor will welcome it, as you are an important part of the team when it comes to your own medical care (obviously lmao). But seriously, good doctors welcome scrutiny and second opinions. Greater involvement means better care
I just don’t understand how anyone can do that,
9:53 the funeral director lady is so lovely and well spoken and decent. What a lovely woman
And she can see around corners!
The most lovely lady that will never meet alive.
Dog not allowed ect
@@randymillhouse791suicide not allowed
@@MadScientist267suicide not allowed
this proves two things to me . One , we put two much trust in uniforms and titles like Dr and in authority , and , TWO , following on from the we need to question authority if we feel the need .
We can't even be sure Doctor shirtman did it
I don't.
People think that he didn't have any offspring, but he did and I've met them.
I already do , ? Every Dr
I dont put trust in a uniform to the point iv been looked at likr im crazy to be questioning them lol
Amen! My sentiments exactly. Doctors are considered by authorities in our society as little gods that cannot do any wrong, even though every day at least one is charged with fraud, malpractice and/or negligence. Then in the state of Florida it requires another 3 doctors to corroborate the medical malpractice and/or negligence to ensure bad doctors are able to continue "Practicing" medicine ~ probably in the hope that maybe someday they will get it right.
A doctor killed my grandmother with an overdose of Dilaudid. She walked into the ER with leg cramps and never walked out. We proved that (at the very least) the doctor was negligent. All the doctor got was a slap on the wrist and a letter in her file. No lawyer would take our case because my grandmother was "too old" for a good payout. After watching this documentary, I'm wondering if my grandmother was murdered. I've mostly been of the opinion that it was gross incompetence, but it seems awfully convenient that she received TWO doses of Dilaudid, the second after she reported a pain level of zero.
Sounds fishy for sure
🤮 some quacks think they're god...
People like that so-called doctor have no idea of the weight of pain they inflict on people. If I was ever responsible of somebody dying, I'd NEVER get over that. But it seems when people think they have a big title with a bunch of initials behind their name, they think they're above everybody to do anything they want. I've worked around enough of them to experience it for myself. I hate the healthcare setting sometimes.
This happened to my nana as well with morphine at our local hospital. She had a fall and had broken her shoulder and never came out of the hospital, she recieved 2 doses of morphine almost back to back. She only weighed about 95lbs.
Sorry for your loss.Have you taken this up to Health Ombudsman.
8:14 im accually astounded how little this doctor is mentioned considering she was the person who really kicked off the case. she realised how almost every one of shipmans patients were dying, and well how even for a gp specializing in older people it was a really disrturbing amount, and im also surprised how they didnt care to mention how she was intially brushed off with her number of concerns
i really recommend watching the shipman files crime documentary for yourself as its really informative and goes really in depth on the wholr story
SHIPMAN was PROTECTED FOR MANY YEARS and the woman doctor who reported him was VILIFIED by FREEMASONS as shipman was 'FEEDING THE HIVE'
@@airport4173 sounds legit. I mean.. Saville
Actually dr Sue Booth WASN'T the first one to be alerted, it was the undertaker's daughter Debbie who then WENT to Dr Booth who took it from there.... sooooo you may wanna look into this properly lol! 😒
She was actually a funeral direction I believe?
@@runiedunie “general practitioner” so I think a doctor
“That son of a b- gun”
He wanted to didn't he!!
Rachel Demain stfu
@@truk1073 Stfu
They should have let him.
First time I have heard a Manchester mixed with Texan...
Killing heaps and heaps of old ladies... nobody cares enough, but don't dare to touch the inheritance!! That is utterly sad about this case
I don't think that's true. The difference is with the first one, nothing looks wrong - a Doctor's sick Patients dying is kinda normal. But a Patient putting a Doctor in their Will as the sole beneficiary- esp. if the Patient hasn't been singing their praises or told their closest Friends or it is out of Character: that is very suspicious, and a forgery can be investigated. Once one thing gets investigated, then the whole thing will likely unravel.
What Platypus said. Until he got complacent towards the end, he had always been clever in how he committed murder, but inheritance fraud must have seemed low-risk by comparison and he was unbelievably sloppy about it. Choosing one of his healthiest victims, whose daughter was a solicitor who had the real will in her house, and not even bothering to make sure it looked like a real solicitor wrote it.
The Lady’s daughter who is a solicitor became suspicious of a very amateurish forgery. And not because of a change in the inheritance. Or at least that’s how I saw it.
I think you've totally misunderstood what happened here.
It's not that nobody cared, it's that nobody suspected anything... at least until later. Elderly patients die and doctors sign their death certificates. It's completely normal. Furthermore, he was a well respected doctor and a well respected man in his community. Nobody suspected such a thing.
The reason he was suspected after he was made a beneficiary in the will was because it was because, firstly, his daughter was extremely suspicious that her mother would leave everything to a doctor and not her own children and grandchildren, and secondly because she pursued it and didn't let it drop. It really didn't have anything to do with people not caring.
The fact that Shipman looks like a genuinely wise and kind doctor in the photos is so scary and sad for his victims. One detail that many serial killers have is a heartache with their mother, disorders and a tragic childhood. Scary that at any time someone can be born into a dysfunctional family and it only takes time to become a monster.
Nature AND nurture create demons. The Demon is created by both genetic predisposition and environmental press. There is no way to predict either.
@@randymillhouse791 Ikr. This has no rule, humans tend to be cruel by nature. But the morality that turns anyone.
@@CaioH. Cruel by nature? Explain YOURSELF.
@@randymillhouse791 I mean, it's proven: we're born this way. Since we were kids we like to break some rules, right? But there are people who recognize that this is wrong and correct that mistake. Some people are unfortunately born sick, the environment has only exposed them. Shipman was an example of that.
@@randymillhouse791 It's choices. Good people can suffer all they want, but they choose to overcome their traumas. Evil people always tend to blame the wrong people.
I knew a GP who had worked with Shipman before he moved to Hyde. He was suspicious even then, but could prove nothing. He carried the shame to his grave.
Suspicious that he killed people back then or suspicious that he *would eventually* kill people
What in todmorden? G
Geez that name todmordem means death-murder...crazy...
Of course you do…..
@@robcord5982 The story was told to me by husband. I have no reason to disbelieve him. The GP in question plainly had some issues. His weight yoyo-ed between normal and very obese. I cannot tell you his name for reasons of his privacy (although he died about 10 years ago) and mine.
its sad that this murderer still has the right to be called a "doctor"
Well no doubt that he was a murderer but he still was a real doctor..its not like he was a fake doctor
sushi roll He’s in prison for life and has lost his medical license , Not that it matters
@@tillyt4054 he is dead. Hung himself in prison way back in 2004.
@@tatrotzz3643 Doctors cure people, not kill them.
@@verycreativename1865 That's not the point. People still call him a doctor because doctors are qualified to operate on their patients. Well he murdered them but he had the full ability and knowledge to cure them. Thats what technically makes him a "doctor".
Nearly all his victims were old widowed or divorced single women. They were old but in good health, leading quite a vigorous active life before suddenly dying.
All of which reminded him of his mother... I think his first victim was his mother.
@nosiphodywili35 though killing the elderly was likely to raise less attention than asking everyone to believe say the 40-49 year olds in the town were all dying of natural causes.
Could have been a combination of both.
How surprising that a woman had a correct intuition and a host of men shut her down and told her she was being hysterical and unreasonable.
Why does everything become a sexist issue?
@@sweetcaroline2060 if sexism wasn't a problem, you'd already know the answer to that question
exactly, I noticed that
@@sweetcaroline2060 it was
Flabbergasting that a male taxi driver was shut down by his pompous wife who womansplained him into silence.
Uno reverse HAHAHAH
1:37 Shipman was only 53 years old when he was jailed? I would have guessed him to be much older.
That surprised me, I also thought he was a lot older
That's cos he was a smack head for 30yrs
Killing people must take years off your life. Just say no to murder, Kids.
He always looked old. There's a clip of him from the 1980s when he was supposedly in his mid-30s - he was overweight and had a full beard in that clip so he passed for more like early 40s.
Had he not done what he did, not been jailed, and simply carried on practicing medicine he would probably have retired around the year 2009 or so. He'd be 76 right now had he lived.
He was my godmother's doctor during both of her pregnancies. She says he was a nice, professional doctor to her, but then that's probably just because she was the 20-something that she was. Most of us live our lives taking people's niceness at surface level (and we should, because its not a happy life constantly waiting for someone to try and murder you), but its scary to think of how many nice people you've met have been horrible, or criminal, the second you turned around.
At least 215 known murders, all in one small town.
why do prison staff led these killers hang themselves?ie.fred west. epstein. and this evil man. must be a reason!!
AND, 8 of them living on the same street.
Maybe that was to save gas. After all, gas prices were high in the 70's.
It was good the funeral directors became suspicious and tried to do something about it, shipman was making a very good living for them, they couid have kept quiet and reaped the rewards!!
Yes, they couldn't have been worse people for sure. They benefit from his murders.
Reaped*
No pun intended?
Uhm, almost no-one in the world will keep silent about mass murder even if they benefit from it financially. It's not good, it's normal.
@@OutragedPufferfish History tells a different story
@d R Do you know anyone who you think would keep silent if they knew about a serial killer if they'd make money off it?
An elderly man goes to surgery to talk to the doctor that diagnosed his SON with cancer and gets killed.
Sir, I am so sorry. Your Dad loved you so so much. He is a true hero and your guardian angel. I don't think he would have stopped asking and stopped fighting. If he had been alive during Shipman's trial, he would have been in the front row seeking justice. May he rest in peace.
Shipman really didn't have that many male victims (at least that we know of).
What made him think he'd tell him anything anyway...just cos you r fam, dr still cant tell you bout someone elses med file lol so i find that odd!
I don't suppose you belong to a tribe of chosen people?
@@harveybarvey5080don't die as a disbeliever
@@alli-kat2329suicide not allowed
Any documentary that is uploaded in 1080p gets an automatic upvote from me.
James Odom Yes! They are the angels of TH-cam content. 🙏🏻
I get what you're saying but wrong app
Even if it's a bad documentary? That sounds pretty shallow.
Harold Shipman's case is chilling because he was so normal on the outside, but would murder people behind closed doors and all the way up until the victim's death, he'd act all kind and polite. It's so scary. We studied this in my A Level Psychology class in a unit about psychopathology, and how difficult it is to define someone as "abnormal" because they can still be completely "normal" and "sane" by society's standards but still commit atrocities without arousing any suspicion.
2:57 Excellent choice in ties by the senior detective. Totally captures the gravitas of the moment. I have no notes. Iconic.
lmao the pedo company
Don't die as a disbeliever
What a decent human the detective is....,
Sorry Inspector
the detective is fine. inspector or detective inspector.. the same.
It hit him very hard and he was due to retire soon after . It was only originally a Fraud case but very quickly escalated into something more sinister.
Forensic Scientists should have more respect than Doctors these days.
@@racheldemain1940unfortunately he passed in 2001 from a heart attack too.
Doesn't this guy have nurses or other doctors looking at his work and to say "wtf are you doing??"
I don't get this part at all. Surely, he needs to have at least 1 assistant or something. I don't know much about medicine but he can't be operating fully alone, can he?
No. Just doing their job and going home.
Depends on what kind of doctor he is. My doctor doesn't have any nurses on hire for example. Just receptionists. So basically he is acting alone yeah, but there are other doctors in the building too. I dont think they check each other's work though
See the part between 24:00 and 26:00. He was part of a practice then went it alone whilst taking a bunch of patients with him.
@@verygoodbrother yeah but even then he mustve had medical assistants.
Why do I find serial killer documentaries so comforting and calming?! What is wrong with me?! 😂
Haha same
Because no matter what sort of person you are , you’re never that bad .
I find it so relaxing it helps me sleep
@@amyroberts127 omg same here, now I'm worried if something is wrong with me 🙄😒
I just like to listen to the British accents. It sounds so calming, in no time I will fall asleep. 😂😂
What he did was unforgivable. What the police didn’t do is incomprehensible.
If you can't trust a Doctor, who can you trust? What a truly despicable, utterly cruel and wicked monster Shipman was. I will never understand what drives a person to do the things he did.
Why not a Dr or nurse? They are just like all of society, some good, some bad. Never trust anyone totally if something feels wrong don't feel bad checking on it. Sometimes gut feeling is your best truth detector
You obviously haven't met my mother in law.
Yourself and never be afraid to speak out .and say no ...
The detective said intrusion was the hardest part of his investigation I get that 100% those poor families seeing their loved ones exhumed must have been so painful
He got away with murder by being a 'DR' and for too long gave an undeserved status .Excellent documentary .*
HelenaMikas I agree
HelenaMikas you white folks scare me 😩😓
@@dewanmdurnto3592 i always say to Doctors whats the difference between a doctor and God when they look at me surprised i answer god dosnt think hes a doctor. Thst puts them right i also lije to remind them those forms they grt us sll to sign are totally meaningless legally i know but i agree the pedestal thsy are put on is not deserved some sre great but many only got just over 50 a pass at university as well theyre human oeople shoukd always question and get a second opinion
People routinely put medical doctors on pedestals - what's awful is that he preyed on old ladies who would be completely trusting in their beloved doctor.
From what I can see, he didn't begin killing until he had his own surgery. Until he had been practicing medicine in that community for a long time. So it wasn't undeserved - he earned the people's respect, and then abused it. If it were undeserved, it'd haave been that he faked all his degrees and was a total quack. Like so many people, he earned respect, then abused it because he suddenly had no constraints.
I know his name is "Shipman", but throughout the entire documentary, all I heard was "Shitman". Fitting, though.
If he was still alive he would have got COVID in fricking prison!!!😂
Read this less than 2 mins in and now I can’t unhear it 😅 not mad tho
@@laplawspring7180 definitely he is a wanker!😂
@@laplawspring7180 it’s true
Me too!😆 thought they must have said it wrong a couple ppl I’m sure but I’m a Canuck accents eh.
From when the funeral directors start to notice, then you know there's something wrong! The fact he didn't even take into account that the woman's money he wanted had any children that she may have already willed to, how clever could he have been, it was solely because he was a doctor and people rarely question them.
Father Dennis has a lovely laid back attitude @35:42 where he is literally lying down in his chair while being interviewed. He was so relaxed I was halfway expecting him to nod off for a little nap at any moment.
A lot of people do that in an uncomfortable interview. Start making themselves physically comfortable to compensate.
My Dad used to fix Shipman's photocopier and said he was a sound bloke. I said yeah but he was probably bumping off old dears in the next room when he said he was making you a brew.
"Anyway, that's how I lost my medical license"
Nice team fortress 2 reference XD
Noo!! Dirty man, Don't lie to me!!
My late aunt knew him, said he was a lovely man. Thank God she didn't have a lot of money.
I also heard he was lovely. A gentleman. People condemn others because of a few small mistakes. We all make mistakes.
@@cadaverdog1424 300+ counts of murder are "small mistakes"? Are you dilusional or are you a troll?
I'd say too many people give too much of a damn about outwards appearance and fake facades, otherwise his doings would have been questioned and unfolded much sooner, considering this has been going on for over 20 years.
@@cadaverdog1424 this attitude right here is why most serial killers get away with it. Being nice to strangers doesn’t make you good and it certainly doesn’t define your character. “He’s too nice to murder those people.” Well, he might be very different behind closed doors. People can be very good at faking it because people like you believe whatever bs they say. Look at the evidence and stop relying on people’s words.
@@Theo-bk6qj It was funny to me. The fact that people are affected by it is irrelevant as many jokes involve incidents that affect other people.
@@cantbelieveitsnotredacted1117
😆 🤣 😂. "Oh, he's too nice to kill anyone". Spare me. 😭
Imagine your grandma leaving ur will to a doctor 😂
WELL it does happen.. what if THE person had no relatives or never sees THERE family often-
I've left all mine to dogs home
I remember a lady leaving hers to her nurse. She had family but they never ever visited, whereas the nurse always visited even when not working.
@@levimacdonald5188 THEIR instead of THERE. You'RE welcome for being a colossal pain in the neck!
@@levimacdonald5188 their...
You've called Shipman a mass muderer in this documentary but he was not a mass murderer. A serial killer and a mass murderer are not the same thing. A school shooter is an example of a mass murderer, someone who kills a lot of people in one single killing spree. Shipman was not that, he was a serial killer, someone who killed numerous people over a longer period of time.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thanks for the explanation. Im not a native English speaker, but always like to learn more.
who cares of the linguistic. He was a killer period!
Thank you, for posting such insightful, interesting documentaries, it's greatly appreciated.
Watching this videos reminds me of my mother, she was okay when i was with her in hospital (despite of having breast cancer that time). I was gone for only one day and ask my younger brother to look after her. The next day i came to the hospital, she was in critical condition. I didn't knw wht the doc/nurse gave my mom, she passed away that night. I always bring this guilt, why did i leave her for 1 day. 😭.. All these time i was with her and that day i was very tired and needed rest, that's why i switched with my brother. My mother was in good condition and even have made friend with patients around her. I prayed that if there was wrongdoing from the hospital, God will punish them accordingly
Hana Bellucci sorry to hear your story , don't let it burden your life
Same here with my dad...he was fine nothing was wrong with him when he was taken to hospice. One days later his health deteriorates completely ....
He was unable to eat ,speak nor move .
I was feeling something is not right there .
Still until this day it’s Been 11 years I’m feeling that guilt.
May Allah have mercy on them .
I understand the feeling of guilt when this happens to loved ones. I nurse crtical/terminal people, and it's common that they wait until loved ones are not present, to pass. Even if they seem to be doing better or stable for the moment. My point is, do not carry that guilt with you and God forbid, the situation was enveloped by foul play. God Bless
Its not uncommon for terminally ill patients to deteriorate extremly fast. Being stable and seemingly okay or even slightly bettering and death can be only hours apart.
You are not guilty of anything, it was normal to need to have a proper rest when your mum was feeling well. If the medical stuff did smth to her they will answer to God.
he’s a classic psychopath, cunning, pompous feeling of self worth, arrogant and loved to be in control. That feeling of power over a vulnerable victim is something psychopaths crave, and Dr Shipman found a way to achieve this rush by becoming a doctor with a large amount of frail and elderly patients. The fact that they didn’t mention the possibility of psychopathy in this documentary shocks me
They don’t need to xD you don’t kill the amount of people he killed without being mentally I’ll and a psychopath.
You probably should pick up a dictionary
@@MadScientist267 : Why would he need to do that ??
@@MadScientist267 I don’t get it. Why??
you sure he didn't kill his mom????
Was wondering the same, although she definitely had terminal cancer, so would have died anyway.
What's the point when she was dying of cancer? I only actually killed relatively healthy people didnt he?
@@debbiepeter112 In general, if someone really hated her, they might have wanted to be the one to do it. Or, maybe they considered it a "mercy kill". Idk if either of those apply, but they are justifications that someone could give to killing someone who's dying.
Des Des not all the time. Sometimes it’s for sadistic reasons
SlayAnj -Artist good point! Regardless of her dying from Cancer his need to control, his sadistic nature would have overwhelmed him. Killing gave him power.
2:58 , Ummmmmm............... that tie........is that?............... are you serious?
GS979 haha
- Micky mouse voice
dude , no sane person , let alone a police detective does this. I think this guy is the one who murdered those people and framed that doctor for it.
I thought the exact same thing. Wtf is up with that tie. 😄
he's just trying to lighten the mood......
GS979 😂
At the time the case broke my boss at the time - his wife worked in the town shipman practiced in - she was a bank teller in a community where lots of people knew each other.
Shipman apparently was loved by the elderly. They wanted to get on his books etc if they weren’t already.
Madness.
They were getting high AF 🤣
@@MadScientist267😆😆😆 jokingly true!
Has anyone asked the question how much Primrose Shipman knew about her husbands actions?
That's harsh- primrose was on the town council and in the WI
@@gazXspace So?
@@gazXspace You are naive!
@@gazXspace Ted Bundy used to host a help line giving advice to rape victims - Do you suppose they fried the wrong guy?
I don't think she knew that much. She wrote to him in prison asking him to tell her everything, no matter what. There isn't any record of whether he replied or what his reply contained.
Certainly the Shipman children all changed their names and scattered after his trial.
Not sure if this is accurate but I thought one of the main reasons the Will of Mrs Grundy was questioned primarily due to the mention of her house? She apparently owned two properties (unknown to Shipman) but he only mentioned the one house in the forged will?
Have listened to many podcasts about this case. Never heard about the taxi driver before. The fact he cared enough to notice and record his concerns...❣️
81 year old heroin addict? Yeah that’s really really likely.... how can someone who would say something so erroneous even become a doctor?
21:58, here he met Primrose Oxtoby "THEN" a pretty 17yr old window dresser ...ouch
🤣😭
My thoughts exactly 🤣🤣
Woooooow, I mean... yeah, but...wow... Why even open that can of worms, dear writer of this programme?
It wasn't the fact he got away with it it was the fact his colleagues in the medical profession covered up for him was the sickening thing
Unfortunately that's a commonality in literally every case of medical-based serial murder that I've seen 😕 It tends to be the worst in larger hospitals and facilities, as the higher-ups often go to great lengths to prevent the word getting out (due to legal and financial ramifications, and the impact that may have on their reputation), even taking drastic measures to silence the other healthcare workers if they try to tell the authorities or general public. It's very scary and very sad.
Who covered up for him? I don't remember hearing about this in the documentary.
@@OutragedPufferfish Indeed, quite the reverse.......08:18
It's nice to know that what brought it to light was concerned citizens who reported suspicious things
A busy body.
I was watching this in point .75 speed and was like why are these people so god Damn calm
lol
Too much morphine
Lololololol
Lmfaooo
i love this comment hahaha
Just really goes to show, how the elderly are so vulnerable & people do prey on others vulnerabilities & not to mention, if these elderly were alone. I don't trust anyone now..
I think everyone should always question the unusual when it comes to someone's death. People should learn to follow their instincts or conscience. They will find that it is a warning or a message to heed. Mine have always served me well. If it weren't for those people questioning the unusual deaths, this doctor would have gone on killing people.
Omen Nemo no one really questions when the elderly dies though
Actually evidence shows that most peoples instincts are rarely correct, but your mileage may vary.
this is true man, believing in instincts and self conscious are always right
@@macandcheese6395 Some people don't know how to recognize the voice of their conscience from the voice of their spiritual guide.
Here in the Netherlands there was a nurse who was accused of murdering patients by her coworkers and bosses. She was convicted of 7 murders, sentenced to life, and spent 7 years in prison before she was declared innocent. So, "questioning" and "following your conscience" can also destroy an innocent person's life.
Trust me I’m a doctor
Aaron from England not any more
Aaron from England ok Dr. Steve brule
thats from family guy loool
That's what he said
Yeah, right!!
“Then a pretty 17 year old window dresser...”
Now, not so much 😂
@Marc Oneill 😂 Yeah that part got me too, like an indirect insult.
Keyword “then” I’m glad he got that fly wee dig in at her 😂
@@scottmalkinson9545 outch!
@@lw3646 ouch indeed I’m glad you replied to my comment I just watched this again and laughed at that bit again lmao
I was reviewing some medical records at work and this particular set I was looking at were from Shipmans practice. It sent a chill up my spine looking at his handwriting and stamp with his name on it. Very eerie.
it is wrong that a medical doctor with a drug addiction and forgery conviction was allowed back into general practice. I am a qualified solicitor and my view is that the BMA or whoever got that wrong....Shipman was a textbook psychopath hiding in plain view....I think the Coroner investigation also was a shoddy piece of work; I bet they didnt do hard close analysis of mortality profiles in Shipman's practice. Jobs for the Boys medics club, I reckon.
cool story bro hahah .#DailyFaily :D
Why did he do it? It's never made clear in the documentary?
Graham Grimmett I think anyone deserves a second chance. However, not a working, licensed Dr. Especially an experienced Doctor, a medical student deserves a second chance. I mean sorry but we have a president who won by spreading racial hate, pointing fingers and blaming Mexicans in particular, WITH everything that is wrong with our country. Very well we all U.S. CITIZENS are NO LONGER BELIEVING IDIOT FOOLS. WE NO LONGER TRUST THE MEDIA. WE DON'T TRUST OUR CURRENT CITY, COUNTY, STATE, EVEN LESS GOV. OFFICIAL
LEADERS. The current president used vulgarity gossip, lied EXAGGERATED still is doing this. The gov. Anmounces for example in April 2018 undocumented immigration went up over 200%!! Yet they don't mention the fact that it's last month that won't be so dangerously hot crossing the border. Don't mention TRUMO still giving refuge to central Americans who are not Mexican! OBUMER caused a human immigration crisis offering this to central Americans, NEVER TO MEXICANS! IT'S BEEN 8YRS. THAT MORE MEXICANS ARE LEAVING THE U.S. PERMANENTLY THAN COMING INTO THE U.S.
TO STAY. THEY DON'T SAY EVEN THOUGH IN APRIL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRATION INCREASED 200% IT'S THE LOWEST IT'S BEEN IN DECADES. PEOPLE A WALL MILLIONS AND MILLIONS FOR WHO? OR WHAT? WAIT... FOR ANIMALS??? WHAT ABOUT AS BIRDS? LOL?
You kill any good argument you may have by spewing that political bullshit, do you realize that?
There is now an Aldi car park on the site of where the surgery was in Todmorden. The building had been boarded up for a few years.
I was born and raised in the town. As one of the team of GPs, Dr Shipman treated me a few times. I was too young to remember but my dad said he seemed a good Dr.
Then he had that fall in the bathroom. After that, while I was still very young, mum would always say to me as I went to take a bath,
"Be careful, remember what happened happened to that Dr".
Really? You're wo lucky. Did you move out of the town now? Has the town drastically changed? Like London did? Thank you.
The title said 'serial killer' but the documentary was unexpectedly calm and polite.
A very sick soul this Shipman boy. But there are plenty of his kind known as statesmen, politicians and military leaders, actually much worse ones. And they all say they are just taking good care of us.
Statesmen, politicians and military leaders aren't psychopaths that kill innocent people.
David Sure there are, they just operate in a more covert manner.
@@David-ud9ju actually theres a rather large body of evidence that suggests people in those positions do indeed very often have some form of psychopathy.
Not all psychopaths are murderers.
The Clintons have killed hundreds
Just look at the Clinton's, John Kerry, Pelosi, Schiff, Ghislane Maxwell, Epstein, .......psychopaths
Always Always read what you sign!!
Laura m hey are you dislexic
True but in Manchester we’re very mind-our-own-business, and deferential to people we perceive as higher ups I.e doctors. It’s a shame really
@@abbieisakilljoy6977 odd, I'm from the wirral so bout a hour or so drive from Manchester, I would if read it, not because as locals that's what we would do but I'm a suspicious and nosey person and read everything I sign my name to
Yeah, there's no way I would sign something without reading it first.
Laura m I've been to a lot of doctors that now ask you to sign an electronic signature without even showing you what you're signing. I ask to see an actual copy of what I'm supposedly signing, because not every doctor/hospital uses the same privacy form, the same consent for treatment form, the same financial form, etc. and sometimes they update them, and there are responsibilities and restrictions you may not know about. They usually act like I'm being a bother because I won't be irresponsible and blindly trust them. And do you know what those forms almost always say? They say that by signing you're agreeing you've *read* the document! I've pointed that out to them and they always say "well you don't actually have to read it, no one really does".
love that doctor's offices in the UK are called "surgery", it sounds so dramatic
Lol
They're sometimes called "Medical Practice" or are found inside a "Health" or "Medical" Centre.
The doctor's "office" would refer to the room the doctor actually sits in while working, not the whole building as in the US parlance.
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I heard about this case soon after it hit the news in 1998 (I think). To this day, after having seen several docos like this one, I still cannot believe that a doctor, after taking the Hippocratic Oath, can do this. Thanks for the upload Real Stories. Subscribed.
Do no harm was removed from the oath just a year before the "pandemic"
@@gillymac9363 the Hippocratic oath doesn’t even originally say “do no harm” 😂
@@hi-ls6lt I don't trust any of them a hundred per cent anymore, that goes for the police too after these last three years.
hippocricy oat!
The fact that he input 'Deceased' into his computer before his patients are dead is just...I mean, if he had been killing for as long as he had, this came as no surprise. But still disgusting how he treats a human life.
I want to congratulate to the Funeral family. Caring for the dead over money. Great 👍 investigation
Right? More dead ppl=more money to them. I'm proud of them for not thinking that way and instead looking at the growing loss of life with apprehension and suspicion.
a Morphine a day, keeps Harold Shipman happy.
..keep the oldies away.
Why do the keep calling him fred shipman? Even the will says Dr f shipman? Am i losing it😂
*they
because it's his middle name and what he was known as.
youtuber Better, at least it rhymes
At that time I had an appointment with a senior Partner of an NHS Medical Practice. Before we got down to whatever business for which I was there , the doctor leant forward confidentiality towards me and said , “ I think that it is the tip of the iceberg ! “ Later I thought , ‘ What an honest doctor ! ‘
If the funeral home suspected him, what would be the point in going to Dr Shipman?
I remember learning about Dr Death (Harold Shipman) and The Angel of Death (Beverley Allitt) when becoming a carer, we had to learn about them to show what bad safeguarding issues look like.
Going for a run after my mom will pass, i could probably take a run in the rain too feeling lost, stressed to the max and hopeless.
How in the world did he get away with murder all these years i can't believe it at all
Kamila Bobokhojieva how did he have any patients if he was killing them off. That’s bad for business. No more office visits to make money off of once they were dead.
He obviously enjoyed killing more than he made money, people tend to be very trusting towards doctors so it would be easier to get away with it, wht with being in a prestigeous position.
Master of deception. Gained so much trust and respect that the very thought of him killing someone was unbelievable. He was extremely careful and very good at hiding his crimes throughout his twenty year reign of terror but towards the end he became inconsistent and made mistakes which were soon spotted.
They take advantage of our own immorality in society. Some target the senior, others runaway children, others minorities, others homosexuals, and so on. It's true. We are immoral by ignoring such groups and therefore leaving them vulnerable to predators.
@@anaclaudiacabral101 They target single Moms. Not all of us were pregnant out of wedlock. Some of us divorced abusive partners.
I cant stop hearing the detective breathing in after he speaks 💀💀
As this happened during the time when questioning a "respectable" person a no no, I understand the hesitations of the these people who suspected the doctor was doing the unthinkable.
Somehow I'm disappointed with the authorities for not looking upon the matter seriously early on, many of these victims could have been saved if they've done so.
A combination of wanting to feel close to his dead mother, feeling socially inadequate, and trying to remedy this by feeling in control over a dead body. Wanting to get back to his dead mother was a key psychological motivation, along with power and control.
I’ve been married to an abusive doctor for 20 years. There’s good doctors and horrible ones. Just like every other person and job. When a doctor has so much knowledge and access to medication, they can kill and get away with it.
A huge problem for me is that as a patient with several chronic illnesses, it’s next to impossible to trust any doctors. So I don’t usually follow thru with treatments. So he wins in another way as well.
That's awful. What can you do?
@@stockwellsantley6606 plan secretly a getaway ... and destroy his personal stock of dangerous drugs too
I don’t exactly know your situation but I sympathise. My father is a doctor and was incredibly abusive to my mom. He would intervene during her treatment and get her discharged etc. Thankfully I no longer see him, but it’s given my mom and I the fear of hospitals and a distrust of medical staff, because a lot of them got along with my dad very well.
What you're saying then is basically, you are f*****?
Very well done and presented. Clear and factual. Will be watching this channel more.
Dude kind of looks like Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting
mediocre memes Well, he was certainly will hunting!!!!! 😳
Lololol....yup
I thought the same thing looking at still of the video.
@@borleyboo5613 lol. Good one 👌
Morphine my Morphine
Literally nearly chocked when his wife was introduced as she walked "THEN a pretty 17 year old"
My mum very casually brought up recently that she used to be the Pharmacy Technician that provided him with the drugs/medications for his patients unknowingly. My jaw dropped!
😱😄🤔😂🤣
So, a victim dies and according their will ,all the inheritance goes to the doctor who had paid them a visit at the final hour of their lives. That smells real fishy to me, wonder why it took so many lives to find out about this maniac.
All serial killers get away with their crimes for a long time before they're caught. If they were arrested quickly they wouldn't be able to make so many victims.
because he was atteinding older people who often die, and he was able to give them a cert as he was a doctor. its not that hard.
I would be concerned about multiple similar deaths as well, good on her for expressing her concerns.
The fact that a funeral director was even concerned with the amount of clients they are getting from Dr Shipman is wild...
Boyyyy that attitude at 27:24 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 he was proud of that line
K Yzai shake it!!
the shade this doc threw on the killers wife .." then ,a pretty 17 year old window dresser" while showing a clip of her current state of being the opposite
The way people joke about serious things is terrible.
Mummy, mummy can we play with granny ?
No, you've already dug her up three times this week.
Isn't funny that only when he try to fake a document to haave the lady money that police investigate! When money comes everybody pays attention
RlapaR True
True... You can get a longer stretch in jail for armed robbery than you can for murder or manslaughter in this country..(UK)
Unfortunately, it is sad, not funny. :-(
tosspot1305 lol u stupid britbongs and your broken laws
I don't think that's true. The difference is with the first one, nothing looks wrong - a Doctor's sick Patients dying is kinda normal. But a Patient putting a Doctor in their Will - esp. if the Patient hasn't been singing their praises or told their closest Friends or it is out of Character: that is suspicious, and a forgery can be investigated.
Actually, the first investigation 4 months earlier was as possible murders, so that did actually come first.