I mean...eyebrows, beards, fingernails, lips...humans have a lot of nearly useless stuff happening that’s mostly just a “judge if your mate is sexy enough” situation.
@@zetazimmer4769 it‘s true that plenty of animals don‘t have eyebrows, but they don‘t have to pronounce words like we do either, also i think we would look pretty weird without lips or eyebrows xD edit yes i know that animals can still communicate without lips and yes i also know that we humans could communicate without lips however, we would‘nt be able to use such a variety of different vocals etc
I would like to present two more theories about Argonian boobs... 1.) They're air bladders for maintaining their long breath underwater, as well as buoyancy. 2.) The most adaptable being in The Elder Scrolls have _multi-purpose breasts,_ which includes all theories _and_ my first theory. You're welcome.
Same #3. There's just something about learning real world information alongside silliness. Like Tierzoo. Or zefrank1's True Facts series, with it's Morgan Freeman impersonation. I highly recommend both for those inclined to learn a little biology.
Bethesda 3D modeller: “I’m just gonna go ahead and use the same basic female body model to save time and disk space.” Internet sleuths for the rest of time: “but what does it mean?”
that doesn't save that much time or disk space. There's a conceptual phase that comes before modelling where you'll have concept art, and if it was modeled that way, it's because it reflect the concept directed.
@@jaypea30 their going to have to improve their facial features in order to do that. Even the khajit can make human looking cat people for diplomatic purposes
i just imagine someone at bethesda saying "wouldn't it be cool if argonians had boobs?" and the community just had to come up with "lore" behind boobs on a lizard
I have always liked the short and simple explanation that the tree saw boobs on the (probably mean) High elf lady in their marsh, so the tree magicked up a race to defend itself. The tree doesn't know what boobs are or what they're for, but the elf lady had them so their race will have them too.
Argonians have boobs so the book "The Lusty Argonian Maid" can exist. Thinking about it anymore than that hurts my brain after watching this video lol.
Trust me, they are not exactly into the humanoid aspect of it I will not elaborate any further, and I will ask you to please clean and remove my vision with the holy bleach
That one is pretty simple- small litters or single/twin birth exclusively. Also, bipedalism seems to prevent multiple sets of breasts. Real life bipedal mammals are almost exclusively one-set apes, or pouch-using marsupials and rodents.
@@agent1798 That's not how big companies work. Bethesda still exists, Microsoft will give them directives. Hopefully, drastic ones like "Don't do shit".
But I see what you mean. In reality the video could have been 5 seconds saying simply: “There was a creepy furry on Bethesda’s staff who thought lizard titty was hot”
Argonian women have breasts for sex appeal. You may ask, “Why sex appeal?” And it is because Argonian women can be made pregnant by any race and still produce an argonian offspring, albeit they will have traits of the father race, but the Hist will make them appear fully argonian. The Hist wanted to make sure the argonian race could continue even if every male perished. EDIT: Man everyone replying has like no idea how weirdly sexual TES lore is. Go read The Real Barenziah or The 36 Lessons of Vivec.
Yo that makes sense tbh, because the male argonians are always hunting or fighting, so the males dying out due to their aggressiveness was a highly possible scenario
This is legitimately such a neat video. I'm putting my theories down here \/ I'm not an Elder Scrolls player, I'm just a woman who loves reptiles and speculative biology, this is such a weird and incredibly interesting idea and I had to write about my thoughts on it. Maybe I say something that contradicts the lore, idk lol. I would say their breasts are most likely selected for because they are attractive not to the argonians themselves, but to humans and other similar mammalian races. The possession of fatty protuberances on the chest is uncharacteristic of reptiles for reasons other than their lack of a need for lactation. Those species that possess secondary sex characteristics that serve a similar attractive purpose to breasts usually express them through coloration and scale/crest ornamentation, and those that do develop such features are usually the males. We see this in lizards especially, including and especially in tree-dwelling species which many argonians descend from. I don't doubt that their horns and crests serve as a highly attractive structure to others of the same race. But we also know that argonians are able to produce offspring with non-argonian parents, right? So perhaps these breasts actually appeared as a result of rare interspecies relationships, and were selected for because there were a far greater number of potential partners interested in the bustier argonians. Over time, they became a common trait because the argonians with breasts were so much more successful in finding a partner than those who did not possess them. The females may have them literally only because males of other races they encounter want them, and because Elder Scrolls runs on inexplicable magic ridiculousness that makes it possible for lizards and humans to breed (not even going into the trillion reasons why that SHOULD NOT WORK). I can't complain too much about the perplexing nature of it all, at the end of the day it is kinda hot and that's probably all that was on anybody's minds. Now to explain those huge eggs.
"Now to explain those huge eggs." HOW is nobody talking about this?! Those things are enormous and there's no fsking way that any woman, lizard or otherwise, is passing them. The only reasonable explanation is that those eggs grow in size over time.
@@barrygeistwhite3474 I think it's purely a game-design thing : those eggs are being use in some quest dating way back from 2014, so they need to be big enought for the level designer to put them in place in significant number and for the player to see and interact with them easly. That's it
The kiwi is a bird about the size of a hen from New Zealand that is descended from an emu-sized ancestor, that somehow retained the same egg size even though it got small enough to carry around like a baby. Before laying, the egg alone represents over a fifth of its body weight. The egg is over twice as wide around as the bird's hips, and so large it actually presses up into the bird's ribcage because it's belly can't get any bigger. It's been likened to a human giving birth to a four-year-old. I am cursed with this knowledge and now you are too.
When I first saw Argonians, and specifically the women, I think I subconsciously registered the boobs but didn’t overthink it and literally just assumed they were ‘bumps’ that looked like boobs. Once I learned more about the Hist and Argonian lore and the “moulding after man and mer” thing, I naturally assumed theory 3: they were nothing but there as an imitation of female humans and elves. But we all know the actual reason: The devs wanted boobs on the female lizards because sex appeal for male gamers.
...Followed by an Amiga Animation. ...Followed by a Hollow Knight comic. ...Followed by Undertale gameplay of waterfall. *g o t t a c a t c h e m a l l*
I'd argue for a fourth possibility. Lore wise, the Hist created the argonians using the humanoid form as a template, and as such carried over the female trait of having what appear to be breasts, which act as fat reserves for egg development. Game development wise, it was probably done to simply act as a gender identification cue for the player to more easily distinguish between argonian genders at a glance.
Please remember that the argonian counter-invasion into the deadlands was so massive and brutal, that Dagon's forces actually needed to close their own oblivion gates from the inside in order to prevent the argonians from outright overpowering them. This is wild.
@@TheNoctarius so you’re saying that the argonians were just all listening to mick gordons doom soundtrack while ripping and tearing through the daedra
I still love the fact that the Argonians managed to not only hold back Oblivion, but also invade the realm itself and forcing the denizens there to seal the gates that lead to Black Marsh on their end
Skyrim Male argonians: Have a sexy voice women think is hot. Skyrim Female argonians: Sound like they smoke a carton of cigarettes every hour. Edit: Thanks for the likes, I know some of y’all are joking but I’m very surprised of how many people actually like their voice. I am okay with the scratch-like voice, but they went way too far with it in Skyrim.
Bethesda: "We didn't want to spend money and time on lore-accurate bodies for Argonian females, so we just slapped lizard skin textures on the regular human female model. IT JUST WORKS." Elder Scrolls nerds:
@@wanderin_stud499 Suply & demand. Just how many argonians/khajiits are running around in Morrowind who not only have the money to buy armor but also have the need and desire to buy it in the first place? Not many i'd wager. Which is why the smiths in that nation aren't mass-producing leg armor for them. With that said, a rich beast-race dude should be able to comission armor specifically made for him, but thats assuming the non-beast smith has the skills to forge such a unique (from his perspective) piece of equipment
So funny story: I don’t own a single elder scrolls game, so when I go to my friends house who is a elder scrolls vet, I’ll play on his ps4. When it was just us and his older brother who’s also a pro elder scrolls player, I started a game of Skyrim and they just sat and watched and we just laughed. I was going to make a character and realized that one was a reptile type. I then thought the female surely will look almost exactly the same. I changed to an argonian, and saw the bazoongas and said out loud “why the hell does the lizard lady got tits” and they just giggled. When I explained why i said it they just sat in wonder for a second. And then we went into a discussion on why they would make a decision like giving a lizard lady booba
I remember scrolling through the race menu, and saw argonian. Wondering what tf that was, I scrolled to it, and saw the awkward look the default race had, let's just say I went back to nord lmao.
An argument could also be made that the breasts could have been an additional nutritional storage adaptation that the sentient trees with no concept of mammalian breast feeding came up with. They're trees, they don't exactly get out much, even if they are incredibly ancient and wise. The other argument I could see is that they are a social adaptation, not simply as a way to attract a mate (male's are usually the ones that need adaptations to attract a mate, not females, due to sexual asymmetry), as to facilitate social interactions with men and mer, and ensure that they aren't treated worse than the race that sometimes gives birth to just a fucking housecat depending on the state of the many, many, *many* moons of Nirn. Very likely if the Argonians looked even more bestial, with far less humanoid features they'd not even be considered sentient, and instead just be treated as mindless draft animals. EDIT: Only Masser and Secunda infleunce which of the 17 different types of Khajiit a Khajiit is born as, ranging from intelligent housecat, to furry, to really big housecat.
@@VulpisFoxfire Eggs do take up a lot of nutrition, especially when those eggs are large enough to hatch into something the size of a human infant. This goes doubly so if an Argonian lays her egg in Blackmarsh, and those has to provide all the nutrition the egg needs during its gestation in advance, rather than providing nutrition as she carries that egg to term. Males, by constrast, only really need to provide a few calories worth of sperm. As such, Argonian females simply need that exact fat storage to not just starve to death after mating.
15:05 "there are no official definitive source on Argonian boobs" But what I can tell you though, therer are PLENTY of *unofficial* definitive sources for that
NNN is literally just coomers trying to show the world they have some ounce of temperance. But we all know they can’t go a week. . . Most of em anyways.
Try this on for size: Argonian Females have Hist Sap stores in their boobs. But they don’t Breast feed. It is stored there until the Argonian is pregnant. Then while the egg grows inside the Argonian, the Mother can provide the Hist Sap that is necessary for the developing egg inside her. This is meant as a temporary solution in the event the mother is no where near a Hist Tree. And while there may be enough Hist Sap in one female to last a couple generations. Eventually the family line of Hist Sap will run out. Thus Ja’Reet. Argonian’s are meant to travel back to The Hist to replenish their Hist Sap in their bodies. But are given a means to survive, for a time, away from The Hist.
@@ДимаВеселов-в8и I would make the argument that they become less firm over time and eventually, like mammals, end up sagging with little left to hold up firm. With future generations having smaller breasts, with less “capacity” to hold more. A visual indicator of an Argonian family line of Hist Sap dwindling. Until an egg can hatch beneath a Hist Tree, and absorbs the essential amount of Hist Sap necessary.
No Argonian gf... life gets more painful every day when I wake up and don't see her adorable but strong and sexy scaly face in my bed with me... If God is real, why is he so cruel?
@@CoffeeSuccubus Damn the gods! They never helped me achieve my goals once!!! I still can't move out of Skyrim, Hjaalmarch, Morthal, 59120, Hut 101. It's Falmer scat I tell you! And that asshole "Dragonborn" keeps running around the fucking place all the time shouting and killing shit!!!!1!1 And I waaaaaassss getting close to that sweet argonian girl in Windhelm! Until that dragon fucker woed her by getting her fucking necklace bacj!11!!!!1 Skyrim has no sweet female argonians or even cats, I'd settle for a female version of that too but it's not as good as my scaley Waifu!1! Skyrim is the worst country don't move here, 0/10. And fuuuuuuck you Idgrod! For rasing tax for like the fifth fucking time this month!!!!! Seriously what do you need all the goddamn gold for!!>!?!? We live in a fucking swamp!!!!!!!
funny shrecks jokes aside, a reptile having breasts was genuinely confusing. This not only answered my question, it raised more questions, and then answered them.
I fricken love there is an actual debate over this. I know from a small bit of experience it probably was about saving time and resources and let someone else figure it out. And that's why I love the Elder Scrolls. It's a world so detailed yet is vague/missing information in just the right spots to create absolute fascination about this fictional fantasy world. Also my personal theory is "sorta all the above but not really" I think absolute main reason for Argonian breasts was sex appeal. That's it. It saw man and mer discovering that men seem attracted to breasts. So the hist added them on to the females as more as a back up tactic in case somehow all males die. But those breasts aren't just made to be useless in every other way, they possibility can be adapted to certain environment to increase survival. So maybe they can be storage for extra Hist sap while the eggs are developing, or even produce a at least breast milk like substance for places where food won't be plentiful. Who knows, maybe there's another substance that would be useful for females to have stored in there that no one has thought of yet. We don't see any nipples, nor will we in future games, so maybe some females have a pair and some don't depending on where their families lived. Though males not having any nipples seems to stay consistent, so that could destroy my theory depending on what real biology says about that. So to keep it short: in my head Argonians have breasts to appeal to males of other races for end of the world style emergencies, but the Hist found another use for them and that use will change depending where a Argonian decides to live. Basically the multi-tool of reproductive biology.
I think "the hist" is a reference to "hister" meaning womb in greek. In medicine its a prefix that indicates relation to the uterus (e.g historectomy (removal of the uterus)). Also, its the reason "hysteria" is named as such
@@preacherofmusic Yes, hysterectomies are performed all the time. My coworker just had one done a few months ago. There's a number of medical conditions that happen in older women that make this a needed thing.
@@preacherofmusic A uterus can be removed for the sole purpose of permanently sterilizing yourself if you just don’t wanna get pregnant and have kids, not just for a complicated health reason that can occur at any point in life. But, unfortunately permanent female sterilization needs approval from a male spouse if you’re married and don’t have children. A female spouse can’t make that decision for herself apparently, because I guarantee you that every doctor will be like “What if you regret it and want kids?” So? Adopt a kid out of the system or pay a surrogate mother carry a child for you, you don’t have to create one in your own body to make a family.
NOTE: I'm not a biologist, so I might get some of this wrong. Another indicator that Argonian breasts are just for show is that male Argonians don't have nipples. Typically both sexes of most mammalian species have nipples, as during the development of the fetus, it initially develops female before sexual dimorphism is present. Mammary tissue is present in both males and females, but it undergoes more development in females (there are a couple of exceptions) and thus is considered vestigial in most male mammals. For a male Argonian to not exhibit a nipple suggests that the females don't, either, indicating there is no lactation of any kind and it's just for appearance.
@@peppermint5117 Absolutely. It's all the same tissue, just usually with different hormone ratios (also why nobody just lactates all the time). Just needs a hit of the right hormones, which can happen sometimes (fully naturally) in any adult body without an actual pregnancy being required.
@@peppermint5117 Yes, and it is called gynecomastia. Usualy secondary to a pathology that is producing hormones not typical to the male body. There quite a few pathologies that might lead to gynecoastia, and some might even make the man have some level of lactation or Galactorrhea as it is said in medicine. This comes from the fact that the difference between men and female is not that big and in fact, its a different stimuli during the 9 month development that pushes to either one sex or the other. Obviously the instructions to each sex are written in the cromossomes. Typical male hormones in the female body can also do the oposite, in fact one of the more tipical signs is hirsutism, the presence of excess hair in places females typicaly do not have it. One very common cause is addisons disease, which in short, is also a hormone production defficiency.
or their gender could be formed earlier on in development. They are lizard people created by magical trees from reptiles, human pregnancy probably was probably only a rough basis in their creation.
Lizards actually do have belly-buttons. In the egg they have an umbilicus, which is the same as an umbilical cord, except its connected to the yolk rather than a placenta. Baby lizards have very obvious belly-buttons, it's kind of adorable :)
what if female Argonians can carry Hist sap in their breasts, but are not able to create it themselves, kind of like a flask? That would explain why those close to the trees are still the only ones with access to the sap, but would allow for the Hist sap breast contents theory to hold true.
I wondered the same so maybe it not only contains the sap but seeds of the hist trees? This would allow them to find a place to grow and plant one to later have as a storage point to carry more sap and I love that because argonians don’t have lips for suckling it gets thrown out when let’s be honest the mothers can put it into a small bowl for the young to drink
what if the breasts produce and store it? so that in the uterus the egg can be immersed in it? it provides the egg pre laying (in the case of black marsh) with a supply of hist sap, and if they are outside of black marsh, it helps the child develop normally. IF the mother had some sort of damage, such as by a sword or other reason, then the case of Ja Reed not getting his hist sap makes sense?
The thing is: humans are weird. Other than primates, mammals don’t really have large permanent breasts. And why would they? They’re heavy. Instead it makes way more sense to have nipples and breast tissue which develops and expands after the female becomes pregnant. But human breasts develop at sexual maturity and only expand during pregnancy. One theory suggests that this is because large breasts act as a sexual display for bipeds. Basically, tetrapodal mammals most often rely on the buttocks and hips as sexual displays. This is for pretty obvious reason and because any sort of upper display wouldn’t make sense as they have their stomachs to the ground. But when we started to walk up right, there needed to be something for the top. This became breasts as a way to say “I’m fertile and can feed your offspring”. So even in humans boobs are kind of for show.
as a 23 year old female I can confirm upon encountering a suitable mate I do indeed greet him with my trusty pickup line "I’m fertile and can feed your offspring” followed swiftly by presenting my chest to him. (tbh i'm probably gonna try this with my bf just to see what he says lol)
Wait, looking at the size of the eggs I have a theory. The eggs near the Hist sap are massive. Bigger than what (in my opinion) would be possible to lay by the Argonian's. So what if they are laid small, are placed near Hist sap and they continue to grow. If for some reason an Argonian is born away from their homeland, the Argonian females give live birth (eggs hatch inside) and then breast-feed but it's not as effective as the tradintonal way, but still works. If Argonian's are meant to be extremely adaptable, then having the ability to give live birth and/or lay an egg would allow them to live easier. Lay eggs when you know you can leave the young alone and they will be safe so you can continue thriving, or develop them internally when the area is hostile, always protecting them. Or the Hist just copied man and elves too close and left the titties, said fuck it, and left it in.
Fun fact: Breast tissue is identical to sweat glads. Milk is in effect a modified form of sweat and is hypothesized to be modified form of the "milky sweat" found in or armpits and pubic areas. also this is one thing that can be chalked up to "artist ignorance" but Argonians lack the the Supratemporal fenestra typically found in diapsids (Birds and all extant reptiles). The shape of their skulls more closely resembles Synapsids making them closer related to Mammals than true reptiles.
I feel compelled to say I appreciate the fact that someone out there in the wider world felt compelled to make three different internal representations of the breasts of a non-existent creature from an almost decade old game. God bless you sir or madame, it's scientists like you who created the modern world.
It's fun, I mean hey we play a guessing game with fossils alot, albeit educated its pretty hard to actually tell what it would look like really, I think its in the same ballpark
I think you solved this mystery when you talked about the Half-Argonian son of Count Csaran. The fact that a Half-Argonian can exist means that they can crossbreed with mammalian races or at least Altmer. If that's the case perhaps the breast is a means to feed the mixed race child. Argonian physiology is highly adaptive including the ability to crossbreed with significantly different races. This would be the purpose of the breast, to feed children not gestated within an egg. It would also provide a greater comprehension as to the popularity of Argonian mid-wives and maids. They're capable of acting as wet nurses for other races children and as generally they won't need to produce milk for their own offspring unless they have a mixed child.
I can only manage to find Volume 2 and 3 I think, my quest is a noble one (not really), yet treacherous, for anyone who I run into when searching bookshelves ask, "Looking for something in particular?" and all I can do is say, "no" then keep obviously looking for something in particular... By the Gods, I will not fail my quest.
This is a great point to bring up. Especially considering Count Cesrien on the Shivering Isles's half-Argonian son en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_Vitharn I'd say breast milk is a high validity theory.
A counter thought to this is that Count Cesrien's half-Argonian son could have been egg'd (then proving the "nothing" theory more), or straight up not breastfed, and getting deficiencies because of it. Do we have sources of *healthy* interbred children with beastraces? I can't really recall any.
If Argonians can breed with the other races, breastfeeding is still irrelevant because there's either an Argonian father so you don't have to worry about it, or the child is born an Argonian so you still don't have to worry about it. That, of course, is assuming that they can do it at all; can we really trust a document that exists *only* within the Shivering Isles? After all, we never see Csaran or his son ourselves, we only read about them in a book that doesn't exist on Nirn and can only be found within the realm of the Daedric Prince of Madness. Which is to say that we have *no* reliable source that an Argonian has ever actually successfully bred with a non-Argonian. If they can't, it's not relevant. If they can, we have other sources that claim that the mother's race largely decides the child's race - and that means that the only two possibilities of an Argonian/non-Argonian relationship don't actually require breastfeeding at all.
@@Eisotopius I've personally never liked to take Racial Phylogeny as a hard rule. I look it as saying that more of the mother's traits pass on than the father's, but there's still a decent amount of both. If the child always is always the exact same race as the mother then the Bretons wouldn't exist. There has to be a degree of mixing, but what traits would a hypothetical Argonian hybrid inherit? Maybe it just happens to inherit the need for milk, so it might be advantageous for Argonian mothers to have the capability even if it's not often necessary. Of course, that's if a hybrid is even possible.
@@Aipe97 Well, we know that humans and elves share an origin far back enough in history - both are descended from Ehlnofey. For Argonians this is not so certain. This might be why mixed-race people are born among elves and humans, but not argonians and everyone else. Then again, races as they exist in reality defy the discrete categorization that is most often seen in medieval fantasy, so in the latter case things eventually stop making sense when you think about it too hard.
I love how ppl will go so in depth on aspects of lore that you know the original creators just put in there cause it just seemed right at the moment. Regardless I respect those that can go in later & fill in the lore
Theres more ESO to this then skyrim tbh. I just played ESO shadowfen zone and made me realize how cool argonians actually are. When I played ESO I picked them few times just to spice things up but never questioned myself why there are lizards in the game.
I don't know this channel so when I saw "Argonian Boobs" I expected a shitpost, not to walk away a smarter person who was genuinely interested the entire video.
@@patrickhector not lewd enough, tentacles are used for movement and fucking women, argonian men would have to be the ones to have breasts for this to be the most NSFW one
There is a surprising amount of thought put into this by the developers. Far more than "hah, lizard boobs" I expected. Considering climate, different types of egg layers, this is actually kind of fascinating. It's amazing how much research into the real can go into something completely fictional.
He was a slave though, right? It can easily be assumed that he never got the hist sap from his Mother if they were slaves. If Argonians were destined to exist outside of the Black Marsh they would need some way of getting that sap. If they don't they become underdeveloped.
Autism is also genetic, and even if one parent has it, it's not always going to cause autism, but children with autism in the lineage show traits of, but usually the child isn't autistic, but carries the genes (and in most cases i could find those get the benefits of autism)
@@MonstertruckBadass Depends on the type, but usually it is a trade off. Often exceeding in one area, but being incredibly behind in others. Overall, the benefits rarely outweigh the losses.
@@MonstertruckBadass That’s the thing: Most forms of Autism, where social integration is difficult and sensory factors like Hearing, Smell and Sight are fairly sensitive and in modern habitats (towns and cities) obtrusive and generally difficult to cope with, in our species’ earlier existence before we formed complex societies, these traits proved greatly beneficial, as they allowed people with such traits to sense, hunt and survive better in extremely hazardous environments filled with many species and threats/opportunities than a neurotypical individual would Autism is what i would consider an evolutionary trait that while historically useful when it’s mild, is being rendered impotent by modern social structures and environments, and has a high chance of rendering a child unable to survive to adulthood without external help
Very very late to the conversation but here's my two cents: I subscribe to the hist sap breasts idea. Granted you seemed to be very against it but hear me out. Sap that comes directly from the trees has to be incredibly powerful and magical. The argonians being imbued with a portion of that power would only be able to produce a fraction of its potency. This would require Oregonian mothers to secrete the histap both in utero and after birth. The reason why hist sap itself is still needed to create a fully functional argonian is simply because the argonians themselves cannot produce a potent enough sap to feed their young. In my opinion if an argonian were to lay their egg soon after conception like they do in Black Marsh yet deny them the hist sap before and after hatching the argonian would be almost feral or animalistic. Basically argonian histap boobs are there to create the connection with the great root no matter where they are going ins are by providing them some small portion of sap. That's just my idea...
I don't think it's a bad read, but I don't think he was that against the theory in the first place, it could just as easily be without hist sap, argonians breed back to lizards, "true" hist sap prevents this degradation. But it's easier to argue nothing, E.G. god dosn't exist, than half ideas, god MIGHT exist, without any hard evidence.
I would like to add something about the argonian slaves he talked about. They could have been sold away from there mother before they where done breath feeding.
Personally theory: it depends on distance from the marsh. Not for hist vs milk, but milk vs nothing. If they have the ability to have all the hist they could ever need from the trees, they naturally don't produce any milk or anything as a supplement. They simply have lumps of fat for sex appeal. HOWEVER, as you travel further and hist becomes harder to acquire, you get argonian women with breasts that produce milk as a supplement. I'm also fairly certain there's at least one documented case of a half-argonian somewhere in the lore, and if THAT'S the case, then depending on how they adapt together (hybridization vs maintaining one or the other's racial makeup) then it would be a necessity for the women to have milk as a backup for the non-argonian part of the child. SO, I not only conjecture that milk is the most likely outcome further from the swamp, while nothing is more common in the swamp, I'm willing to theorize that, either through magic or due to that adaptation, if hybrids are possible, those near the swamp may grow the necessary glands, while those away from the swamp would have them grow as normal. Subpossibility: There was a hybrid, but it was documented far from the marsh, in which case we get into divergent evolution and being able to take on traits of other places once hist dependency is lessened. So those further away, who would have functioning breasts, would be more able to crossbreed due to the adaptations
while i like this theory as a whole, i _don't_ think an argonian mother giving birth to a half-argonian would likely _need_ to be able to breastfeed her child first, there's the simple matter that she'd likely not even be equipped to form an umbilical cord for the child. so even if the child came out looking more man or mer than argonian, it's probably gonna be coming out of an egg ( if an internal one ) and likely be more fully developed at birth as a consequence. hell, while i'm not 100% certain on how right i am about this, i _am_ pretty sure that sperm would have very little impact, if any at all, on how the resulting child would gestate. after all, even mammals use eggs as their female reproductive cell, and while i suppose that could just be analogical nomenclature ... i'm not gonna lie, i kinda feel like a fictional fantasy world _probably_ isn't written by people who know the ins and outs of sexual reproduction, so i feel like they'd work off of the same assumption if the thought even occurred to them at all and secondly and significantly shorter winded ... alchemy is _pretty_ advanced in tamriel. even if the child needed to be breastfed _and_ the mother was biologically incapable of doing so _and_ they couldn't, like, just get a wet nurse ... baby formula can probably be bought from any local alchemist, if not just made at home. it's not even all that new of a concept in our world, so i'd have a hard time imagining elder scrolls peeps couldn't figure it out
In Mirkmire there is a quest called Empty-nest that involves a particular Argonian, she can be seen doing something that I and others reprieve as "Stimming" an action those on the spectrum do in an attempt to calm themselves. I highly encourage you play through the quest if you own the mirkmire dlc, failing that watch a play through of it if one exists. Links to her wiki page and a gif of what shes doing after the traumatic experience at the point in the quest were you need to make a decision. imgur.com/a/VCpZpO5 en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Xal-Sisei
I think hist sap isn't entirely nonsensical when you consider that for Argonians who have moved away from Black Marsh still 'need' a source of it and we know that people like Ja-Reet didn't get the correct hist sap but it maybe that instead of not getting enough, he actually got it too late - i.e. post hatching. Similarly, it could be that non-BM Argonians who suffer adverse affects do so because they got the hist sap at too late a stage in their development and maybe Ja-Reet wasn't breast fed so he is a case of an Argonian who had no hist sap.
That leaves one question: Where does the hist sap in the breasts come from? Is substracted from whatever amount of hist sap the mother received and what would that do to her? Do Argonian women have to travel to a hist tree in regular intervals to fill up their boobs again? Or is the hist sap in the breasts generated by the mother - and if so: Why is it still hist sap if it wasn't generated by and taken from a hist?
MrAranton I imagine it’s like how most organisms on earth have Mitochondria, and are able to “produce” ATP. Through their mutations by the Hist sap, female Argonians also received a new organ set that makes enough quasi-sap to enact mutations in their children, if not enough for other rituals.
Ah, the belly button, the great red herring of biology. The belly button is where the umbilical cord enters the fetus in placental mammals. However, embryos in eggs have an analog to the umbilical cord and placenta in the allantois, a sack outside the embryo where nitrogenous waste is stored during development, which is connected to the embryo by a narrow tube entering at the belly. The allantois is absorbed into the embryo the day before hatching and in snakes, the place where it entered the body is marked by a linear scar that crosses several of the belly scales. Over the course of several sheds, this belly scar disappears. Most reptiles have bellies that are in contact with the ground a lot, so having those scales be smooth is very important for not getting bacterial infections. Mammals, on the other hand, have that area protected by fur, spend a lot of time grooming that fur, and tend to walk around with their bellies lifted off the ground, so there isn't the evolutionary pressure to make that scar completely disappear. In green anacondas, one of the few viviparous reptiles, the shell either doesn't form or disappears, and the allantois changes to exchange nutrients and waste with the mother, though it doesn't form an integrated structure like a placenta. How long the embryos stay in the mother depends on how big the mother is; newborn green anacondas range in size from 18 to 36 inches, depending on how long they stay inside. There is a lizard in Europe which has live young in the cold, northern part of its range, and lays eggs in the south. So the idea that Argonians might do both is not farfetched. Reptiles are much more varied in reproductive strategies than birds and mammals. (Amphibians and fish are even more varied.) It should be noted that kittens have sharp pointed teeth, but that doesn't stop mother cats from nursing their kittens. Finally, maybe Argonian nipples only appear when they are nursing, and at other times, the nipples shrink or retract into the breast and can't be seen.
At the end about no areola on the Daggerfall paper doll & Morrowind mesh texture. While it is uncertain for the females on Oblivion, Skyrim & ESO, it obviously seen on the males (even on Argonian behemoths) they still are nippleless, areolaless when they're barechested, this could imply that females are the same for those games as well.
Am i really wathing a video about argonian boobs? Is this what my life has become? XD Leaving jokes aside, i am on board with he third option. Seems the most plausible to me that if the Hist trees made argonians in the image of humans and mer then they would give them boobs just for the sake of looking female-like. As such the argoniam breast is just fatty tissue made as a sexual decoration just like many birds in our world have decorative feathers that serve no other purpose than to attract a mate.
yeah, especially since the hist called almost all argonians back to blackmarsh in preparation to the oblivion crisis and physically altered them to make them stronger, why not also change some sexual features
I didn't know I needed to know this but glad I do
Good
How did I live before tis day?
@Blizzard Gaming THEY'RE MULTIPLYING!!!!
What are you guys
@@alexobery9813 we are just some guys 🙂
Imagine carrying two external organs that do nothing just because a tree thinks it's hot.
I mean...eyebrows, beards, fingernails, lips...humans have a lot of nearly useless stuff happening that’s mostly just a “judge if your mate is sexy enough” situation.
@@zetazimmer4769 i dont want to be „that guy“ but lips and eybrows are actually pretty useful :)
@@Exkajati they certainly have functions, but plenty of animals don’t have lips that are as exaggerated as ours, and ditto for eyebrows.
@@zetazimmer4769 it‘s true that plenty of animals don‘t have eyebrows, but they don‘t have to pronounce words like we do either, also i think we would look pretty weird without lips or eyebrows xD
edit
yes i know that animals can still communicate without lips and yes i also know that we humans could communicate without lips however, we would‘nt be able to use such a variety of different vocals etc
I believe it depends on the argonian, some have breastmilk, some have nothing, and hist sap is not gonna happen at all.
I’ve read the Lusty Argonian Maid enough times to know that the shapely tail is what really matters.
And a polished spear
@@monkeyt2675 But it is huge! It will take all night.
Plenty of time, dear. Plenty of time
I think I know the Reikling who's been stealing your pron
link?
Source: the lusty Argonian Maid.
correct
*The Busty Argonian Babe
there it is.
I was wondering why I didn't see her today.
Lusty Argonian maid vs lusty Xenomorph maid, who will win?
I would like to present two more theories about Argonian boobs...
1.) They're air bladders for maintaining their long breath underwater, as well as buoyancy.
2.) The most adaptable being in The Elder Scrolls have _multi-purpose breasts,_ which includes all theories _and_ my first theory.
You're welcome.
Argonians have gills, but I like the idea of natural life vests in the form of boobs.
then why wouldn't men have them?
@@jack-gh8yp because the Hist tree said "no homo"
@@goosewithashroom fair enough
Multi-purpose breasts? This one is for beer, this one is for coffee.
I was like "huh... that's a video title," so I clicked it. This was a deeper dive into real world biology than I was expecting. Excellent work.
Same
Same
Same #3. There's just something about learning real world information alongside silliness. Like Tierzoo. Or zefrank1's True Facts series, with it's Morgan Freeman impersonation. I highly recommend both for those inclined to learn a little biology.
Same
Fully in agreement. Uhhh thx TH-cam for giving me a biology lesson.
Bethesda 3D modeller: “I’m just gonna go ahead and use the same basic female body model to save time and disk space.”
Internet sleuths for the rest of time: “but what does it mean?”
that doesn't save that much time or disk space. There's a conceptual phase that comes before modelling where you'll have concept art, and if it was modeled that way, it's because it reflect the concept directed.
Bethesda 3D modeller: "so people will fap to my work in the future"
But they took the time to remove the belly button, I think
lmao so on point
They use different models tho. it even breaks clothes
The Hist wanted female Arigonians to not be disadvantaged in wet t-shirt contests
That is incredibly forward thinking
The hist theoretically can make the Argonians into the perfect sexy species
@@valon5069 "theoretically"
>Implying that they didn't do that
@@jaypea30 their going to have to improve their facial features in order to do that. Even the khajit can make human looking cat people for diplomatic purposes
@@valon5069 are you telling me there are nekomimi girls in the elder scrolls?
"Let's talk about Argonian Boobs" sounds like the greatest conversation starter ever.
You guys need to experience the love of a woman, or man. That, and some internet detox.
@@reachthesingularity No truer words have been spoken.
@@reachthesingularity I'd rather choke on broken glass, thanks.
THIS is what TH-cam was created for!
What in Gods name are you doing here Gopher? xD
So you got this recommended to ya just now too? Just finished your Amnesia playthrough, love it! :)
Not who I expected to see on a random video, but a welcome sight
@@user-ue2lg1yl4w Clearly he is here for... uh... research.
Actually it was created as a dating website so talking about boobs may not be far off.
i just imagine someone at bethesda saying "wouldn't it be cool if argonians had boobs?" and the community just had to come up with "lore" behind boobs on a lizard
not even. It would just have been an asston more work to not give the Argonians boobs.
Indeed. If argonians don't have boobs the developers will have to make a whole other set of female clothing to fit them.
The lore is the almighty Cave Johnson said so.
@@Crunchybiscuit01 Or they just wear men's clothes. Except with dresses and some types of armour.
@@Bacony_Cakes You reminded me of something.. in the test chamberrrrrrrr
Wife walks in: "Wtf are you watching?"
Me: "SCIENCE"
Me hiding this from the family
Is she walking in after finishing with her boyfriend?
soy
One of the cases when you just switch to porn
As you are wearing a lab coat with crazy white hair.
I have always liked the short and simple explanation that the tree saw boobs on the (probably mean) High elf lady in their marsh, so the tree magicked up a race to defend itself. The tree doesn't know what boobs are or what they're for, but the elf lady had them so their race will have them too.
Recommendation: Argonian Boobs
Me: wtf why would i want to know that?
Also me after scrolling down once: actually...
XD
Welcome to the club
You might be a Furry...
Wait-
Shush, I'm learning science
Elder scrolling
I haven't watched anything Skyrim/Elder Scrolls related in months. Why did I get this in my reccomended?
Argonians have boobs so the book "The Lusty Argonian Maid" can exist. Thinking about it anymore than that hurts my brain after watching this video lol.
Such perfect literature
But are they sensitive?
Like, having them for looks is one thing, but do they fulfill the secondary use...
@@HappyBeezerStudios
They have inverted nipples, so I imagine the answer is yes.
The writer walked up to the tree and just tossed a copy of his book in there.
The Sultry Argonian Bard is better.
I love how humans can be attracted to anything humanoid-shaped.
Trust me, they are not exactly into the humanoid aspect of it
I will not elaborate any further, and I will ask you to please clean and remove my vision with the holy bleach
Explain this someone?
I want to see if our theories line up
Well this escalated quickly
@Stick Bug understandable, please manually stop heartbeat
@@antithedemonicassassin1427 This isnt the only thing that's escalating quickly, apparently.
Broke: "Why do Argonians have breasts"
Woke: "Why don't Khajiit have three to four pairs of breasts "
That one is pretty simple- small litters or single/twin birth exclusively.
Also, bipedalism seems to prevent multiple sets of breasts. Real life bipedal mammals are almost exclusively one-set apes, or pouch-using marsupials and rodents.
He had made a video about it you know
Well, at least Khajiit are mammals, whereas Argonians are not. lol
You mean furry not woke
@@kaoset1237dig deeper, there are... lets say, you can find anything if you look long enough.
"It's as if the lore around the Argonians is as adaptable as the Argonians themselves"
I love that line.
This was a huge revelation
Her : I bet he's thinking about other girls
Him:
She's not wrong tho
Him: Lizard boobies!!!
@@heavystalin2419 researching skyrim lore isn't thinking about other girls
@@phillipanselmo8540 its science
@@phillipanselmo8540 argonian boobies involves other women, checkmate philip
Yes. Finally. A sixteen minute long video about one of my favorite subjects.
Ayo??
that being tiddies?
This is why Bethesda haven't put a main Elder Scrolls game in Black Marsh yet.
no more bethesda its all microsoft now
That and the fact that Blackmarsh is supposed to be toxic to pretty much any race but the Argonians.
Because they take so many years between games. It'll soon be a decade since Skyrim. There simply aren't enough games to cover all the places.
Bethesda been reeeal silent ever since this drop.
@@agent1798 That's not how big companies work. Bethesda still exists, Microsoft will give them directives. Hopefully, drastic ones like "Don't do shit".
16 minutes and 48 seconds of defending the existence of lizard boobies.
Not really defending, it’s trying to find/speculate a reason as to why they have boobs
But I see what you mean. In reality the video could have been 5 seconds saying simply: “There was a creepy furry on Bethesda’s staff who thought lizard titty was hot”
It is science, ok?!
damn right
Fighting for a good cause.
Argonian women have breasts for sex appeal. You may ask, “Why sex appeal?” And it is because Argonian women can be made pregnant by any race and still produce an argonian offspring, albeit they will have traits of the father race, but the Hist will make them appear fully argonian. The Hist wanted to make sure the argonian race could continue even if every male perished.
EDIT: Man everyone replying has like no idea how weirdly sexual TES lore is. Go read The Real Barenziah or The 36 Lessons of Vivec.
Yo that makes sense tbh, because the male argonians are always hunting or fighting, so the males dying out due to their aggressiveness was a highly possible scenario
Very weird, anime pfp and knows many facts about sex for humanoid animals
Truly a blessing to all races.
Well i mean argonains could go extinct and still live on if the hist willed it, just magic some more into existance
So it's like the asari, if the asari also had males so they can do things the old-fashioned way if they're in the mood?
This is legitimately such a neat video. I'm putting my theories down here \/ I'm not an Elder Scrolls player, I'm just a woman who loves reptiles and speculative biology, this is such a weird and incredibly interesting idea and I had to write about my thoughts on it. Maybe I say something that contradicts the lore, idk lol.
I would say their breasts are most likely selected for because they are attractive not to the argonians themselves, but to humans and other similar mammalian races. The possession of fatty protuberances on the chest is uncharacteristic of reptiles for reasons other than their lack of a need for lactation. Those species that possess secondary sex characteristics that serve a similar attractive purpose to breasts usually express them through coloration and scale/crest ornamentation, and those that do develop such features are usually the males. We see this in lizards especially, including and especially in tree-dwelling species which many argonians descend from. I don't doubt that their horns and crests serve as a highly attractive structure to others of the same race. But we also know that argonians are able to produce offspring with non-argonian parents, right? So perhaps these breasts actually appeared as a result of rare interspecies relationships, and were selected for because there were a far greater number of potential partners interested in the bustier argonians. Over time, they became a common trait because the argonians with breasts were so much more successful in finding a partner than those who did not possess them.
The females may have them literally only because males of other races they encounter want them, and because Elder Scrolls runs on inexplicable magic ridiculousness that makes it possible for lizards and humans to breed (not even going into the trillion reasons why that SHOULD NOT WORK). I can't complain too much about the perplexing nature of it all, at the end of the day it is kinda hot and that's probably all that was on anybody's minds.
Now to explain those huge eggs.
"Now to explain those huge eggs."
HOW is nobody talking about this?! Those things are enormous and there's no fsking way that any woman, lizard or otherwise, is passing them. The only reasonable explanation is that those eggs grow in size over time.
@@barrygeistwhite3474 well obviously all argonians are miniature TARDIS
@@barrygeistwhite3474 I think it's purely a game-design thing : those eggs are being use in some quest dating way back from 2014, so they need to be big enought for the level designer to put them in place in significant number and for the player to see and interact with them easly. That's it
Leftoverpat "The argonians have a very special relationship with the hist"
Me for some reason "what are you doing step tree"
this is a whole new definition of step fantasy...
Im gonna carve that tree into a step stool and see what you think then
@@THE_Mirage You sure you want to piss off the very race that chased the daedra out of their homeland and almost conquered the realm of Oblivion?
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 me from 6 months ago says yes, me from right now says no but me 6 months in the future says hell yeah
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 all it takes is a quicksave
Is no-one gonna talk about the eggs being *wider than the Argonian's hips?*
I'm going to assume that they started off small when they came out.
If not... yikes.
That's the power of adaptability?
The kiwi is a bird about the size of a hen from New Zealand that is descended from an emu-sized ancestor, that somehow retained the same egg size even though it got small enough to carry around like a baby. Before laying, the egg alone represents over a fifth of its body weight. The egg is over twice as wide around as the bird's hips, and so large it actually presses up into the bird's ribcage because it's belly can't get any bigger. It's been likened to a human giving birth to a four-year-old. I am cursed with this knowledge and now you are too.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 thanks i hate it xD
female Argonians : part crocodile, part human with boobs, part fish gills, part kiwi bird wombs
they're adaptable all right...
I only drink the finest of Argonian breast milks.
Probably cats milk if you got it from a swindler. Or worse: rat’s milk.
@Magos Nihilus
Argonian
C O O M
Gosh darn milk drinkers.
Sis...no, delete this.
@@FalcoMoment It would have cost you exactly 0 dollars to not post this
When I first saw Argonians, and specifically the women, I think I subconsciously registered the boobs but didn’t overthink it and literally just assumed they were ‘bumps’ that looked like boobs.
Once I learned more about the Hist and Argonian lore and the “moulding after man and mer” thing, I naturally assumed theory 3: they were nothing but there as an imitation of female humans and elves.
But we all know the actual reason: The devs wanted boobs on the female lizards because sex appeal for male gamers.
Don't forget lesbian gamers too
I was genuinely taken aback when I saw a 17 minute dissertation on lizard boobs pop up in my recommended
...Followed by an Amiga Animation.
...Followed by a Hollow Knight comic.
...Followed by Undertale gameplay of waterfall.
*g o t t a c a t c h e m a l l*
I'd argue for a fourth possibility. Lore wise, the Hist created the argonians using the humanoid form as a template, and as such carried over the female trait of having what appear to be breasts, which act as fat reserves for egg development. Game development wise, it was probably done to simply act as a gender identification cue for the player to more easily distinguish between argonian genders at a glance.
I was looking for this explanation. 10/10
I think this would fall under the “nothing” theory
@@jackhall1392 It doesn't. He said "fat reserves" would be in there. So if those run out those that mean the boobs deflate?
But lizards already have fat reserves in their tails.
@@Brother_O4TS thats what the tail does anyways why would they need another less efficient reserve?
Please remember that the argonian counter-invasion into the deadlands was so massive and brutal, that Dagon's forces actually needed to close their own oblivion gates from the inside in order to prevent the argonians from outright overpowering them. This is wild.
And had to open it again because argonians traped inside keep destroying everything
@@Varthismal Yes. They were basically playing Doom in multiplayer mode in the deadlands.
😂😂
@@TheNoctarius so you’re saying that the argonians were just all listening to mick gordons doom soundtrack while ripping and tearing through the daedra
@@SkillTheBard2312 Basically yes. Oh and also they were on steroids.
I still love the fact that the Argonians managed to not only hold back Oblivion, but also invade the realm itself and forcing the denizens there to seal the gates that lead to Black Marsh on their end
Don't fuck with argonians
Skyrim Male argonians: Have a sexy voice women think is hot.
Skyrim Female argonians: Sound like they smoke a carton of cigarettes every hour.
Edit: Thanks for the likes, I know some of y’all are joking but I’m very surprised of how many people actually like their voice. I am okay with the scratch-like voice, but they went way too far with it in Skyrim.
EY HOney, Come 'N give **chough** AunT BEthANy a SMOoch beFour Skool.
@@landonkam6727 oh god i imagined a 40 yr old smoker saying that with the voice, cough and all. XD
Hey smoothskin
@@konahrikdov6901 That's what I was going for
@@landonkam6727 Well.. You succeeded XD
Bethesda: "We didn't want to spend money and time on lore-accurate bodies for Argonian females, so we just slapped lizard skin textures on the regular human female model. IT JUST WORKS."
Elder Scrolls nerds:
Probably the real origin but now we have to come up with lore reasons
Pretty sure it was the Morrowind players that complained about the inability to wear certain armor pieces...
Probably its because fetish...hahahaha
@@ToUnderstandAFool It's a valid complaint. Why wouldn't they (in-lore) develop armor pieces that cater to their leg design?
@@wanderin_stud499
Suply & demand.
Just how many argonians/khajiits are running around in Morrowind who not only have the money to buy armor but also have the need and desire to buy it in the first place? Not many i'd wager. Which is why the smiths in that nation aren't mass-producing leg armor for them.
With that said, a rich beast-race dude should be able to comission armor specifically made for him, but thats assuming the non-beast smith has the skills to forge such a unique (from his perspective) piece of equipment
So funny story: I don’t own a single elder scrolls game, so when I go to my friends house who is a elder scrolls vet, I’ll play on his ps4. When it was just us and his older brother who’s also a pro elder scrolls player, I started a game of Skyrim and they just sat and watched and we just laughed. I was going to make a character and realized that one was a reptile type. I then thought the female surely will look almost exactly the same. I changed to an argonian, and saw the bazoongas and said out loud “why the hell does the lizard lady got tits” and they just giggled. When I explained why i said it they just sat in wonder for a second. And then we went into a discussion on why they would make a decision like giving a lizard lady booba
Whish i could have taken part of the conversation
to be perfectly honest I wasn't even surprised I was like yep that fits modern game design
I remember scrolling through the race menu, and saw argonian. Wondering what tf that was, I scrolled to it, and saw the awkward look the default race had, let's just say I went back to nord lmao.
The thing is, if they hadn't given argonians tits, people would have complained that they looked too masculine. Can't win sometimes.
@@supergenius6256 Same
The age old mystery of, “why does this fictional non-mammalian anthropomorphic species have boobs?”
An argument could also be made that the breasts could have been an additional nutritional storage adaptation that the sentient trees with no concept of mammalian breast feeding came up with. They're trees, they don't exactly get out much, even if they are incredibly ancient and wise.
The other argument I could see is that they are a social adaptation, not simply as a way to attract a mate (male's are usually the ones that need adaptations to attract a mate, not females, due to sexual asymmetry), as to facilitate social interactions with men and mer, and ensure that they aren't treated worse than the race that sometimes gives birth to just a fucking housecat depending on the state of the many, many, *many* moons of Nirn. Very likely if the Argonians looked even more bestial, with far less humanoid features they'd not even be considered sentient, and instead just be treated as mindless draft animals.
EDIT: Only Masser and Secunda infleunce which of the 17 different types of Khajiit a Khajiit is born as, ranging from intelligent housecat, to furry, to really big housecat.
So...the breasts are basically camel-humps. Which does beg the question of why onlt the females have them.
@@VulpisFoxfire Eggs do take up a lot of nutrition, especially when those eggs are large enough to hatch into something the size of a human infant. This goes doubly so if an Argonian lays her egg in Blackmarsh, and those has to provide all the nutrition the egg needs during its gestation in advance, rather than providing nutrition as she carries that egg to term. Males, by constrast, only really need to provide a few calories worth of sperm.
As such, Argonian females simply need that exact fat storage to not just starve to death after mating.
Firstly there are only two moons. Secondly even the housecat-looking version of Khajiit are sentient and intelligent, even if they can't really talk.
@@Detahramet I subscribe to that theory
" the many, many, many moons of Nirn."
Uh not trying to call you enumerate but in what reality does two constitute a thrice emphasised "Many"
15:05 "there are no official definitive source on Argonian boobs"
But what I can tell you though, therer are PLENTY of *unofficial* definitive sources for that
Jesus Christ
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
@@Funartic you shouldn't have eyes, I know you've seen shit
*_E621 has entered the chat_*
@@Mothbean Ah yes, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Getting this in recomended during NNN is a major test of strenght
nnn is trash
@@jaquaviontaviousbonquequex9066 beans
@@jaquaviontaviousbonquequex9066 beans
NNN is literally just coomers trying to show the world they have some ounce of temperance. But we all know they can’t go a week. . . Most of em anyways.
@@brotherknight9484 your right lol
It’s 2am, I’m stressed the fuck out, I can’t sleep, and I’ve stumbled on Argonian boob lore.
Daedra during Oblivion: We’re gonna invade Black Marsh!
Argonians: Yo playa, I hear you, but what if we take yo shit instead?
Oh sweet, a portal to a realm full of daedric equipment. Thanks bro, I'll remember that when I'm kicking your ass with it.
@@redeye4516 That OG stands for Original Gator, ya feel?
@@ClockworkGearhead damn now I wanna see hood Argonians in an Elder Scrolls game
Try this on for size:
Argonian Females have Hist Sap stores in their boobs. But they don’t Breast feed. It is stored there until the Argonian is pregnant. Then while the egg grows inside the Argonian, the Mother can provide the Hist Sap that is necessary for the developing egg inside her. This is meant as a temporary solution in the event the mother is no where near a Hist Tree. And while there may be enough Hist Sap in one female to last a couple generations. Eventually the family line of Hist Sap will run out. Thus Ja’Reet. Argonian’s are meant to travel back to The Hist to replenish their Hist Sap in their bodies. But are given a means to survive, for a time, away from The Hist.
Sounds *TOO* perfect to not be true
sounds plausible
Then the questions are "do argonian boobs shrink every time they get pregnant?" And "do female argonians born far from Hist tree have boobs?"
@@ДимаВеселов-в8и I would make the argument that they become less firm over time and eventually, like mammals, end up sagging with little left to hold up firm. With future generations having smaller breasts, with less “capacity” to hold more. A visual indicator of an Argonian family line of Hist Sap dwindling. Until an egg can hatch beneath a Hist Tree, and absorbs the essential amount of Hist Sap necessary.
sounds plausible
No Argonian gf... life gets more painful every day when I wake up and don't see her adorable but strong and sexy scaly face in my bed with me... If God is real, why is he so cruel?
Nord gorilla: Ride wife. Life good. Wife fight back. Kill wife! Wife gone. Think about wife. Regret.
@@nagihangot6133 Buy Mara amulet. Get new wife. Life good.
Because there is not one God.
But many.
@@CoffeeSuccubus Damn the gods! They never helped me achieve my goals once!!! I still can't move out of Skyrim, Hjaalmarch, Morthal, 59120, Hut 101. It's Falmer scat I tell you! And that asshole "Dragonborn" keeps running around the fucking place all the time shouting and killing shit!!!!1!1 And I waaaaaassss getting close to that sweet argonian girl in Windhelm! Until that dragon fucker woed her by getting her fucking necklace bacj!11!!!!1 Skyrim has no sweet female argonians or even cats, I'd settle for a female version of that too but it's not as good as my scaley Waifu!1! Skyrim is the worst country don't move here, 0/10. And fuuuuuuck you Idgrod! For rasing tax for like the fifth fucking time this month!!!!! Seriously what do you need all the goddamn gold for!!>!?!? We live in a fucking swamp!!!!!!!
@@OM-ig4fj Hilarious.
Thank you
funny shrecks jokes aside, a reptile having breasts was genuinely confusing.
This not only answered my question, it raised more questions, and then answered them.
Exactly
What if…
they’re like the ancestors of modern mammals? A pseudo-mammal perhaps?
father: "are you winning son?"
me: 7 mins into "Argonian Boobs"
I read this as I hit 7 mins. Dear lord thats funny to me.
@@TinyDrPhil Oof same
More like 8:17
I sure am dad!
Yes, father.
Big ol' Argonian Milkies: The History
So, what would happen if a non-argonian drank argonian "milk?"
Asking for a friend.
hmm
I'm sure there's an obscure doujin about it _somewhere._
@@LecherousLizard those are the rules
immediate death.
You will become one with the hist hive mind. Don't be afraid child, all are welcome. 🙂
I fricken love there is an actual debate over this. I know from a small bit of experience it probably was about saving time and resources and let someone else figure it out. And that's why I love the Elder Scrolls. It's a world so detailed yet is vague/missing information in just the right spots to create absolute fascination about this fictional fantasy world.
Also my personal theory is "sorta all the above but not really"
I think absolute main reason for Argonian breasts was sex appeal. That's it. It saw man and mer discovering that men seem attracted to breasts. So the hist added them on to the females as more as a back up tactic in case somehow all males die.
But those breasts aren't just made to be useless in every other way, they possibility can be adapted to certain environment to increase survival. So maybe they can be storage for extra Hist sap while the eggs are developing, or even produce a at least breast milk like substance for places where food won't be plentiful. Who knows, maybe there's another substance that would be useful for females to have stored in there that no one has thought of yet. We don't see any nipples, nor will we in future games, so maybe some females have a pair and some don't depending on where their families lived. Though males not having any nipples seems to stay consistent, so that could destroy my theory depending on what real biology says about that.
So to keep it short: in my head Argonians have breasts to appeal to males of other races for end of the world style emergencies, but the Hist found another use for them and that use will change depending where a Argonian decides to live. Basically the multi-tool of reproductive biology.
It's almost like a magic tree can just make things happen for fun.
Hist be like:haha argonian bewbs go brrr
@@argonianguy6226
No the argonian lady's spouse is the one who goes brrr.
Yeah we're assuming TES biology is the same as ours. Magic does what magic wants, apparently
@@OnlyHereForCake if tes biology followed our biology, than creatures like dragons wouldn't exist.
I think "the hist" is a reference to "hister" meaning womb in greek. In medicine its a prefix that indicates relation to the uterus (e.g historectomy (removal of the uterus)). Also, its the reason "hysteria" is named as such
this is a cool connection!
Interesting thank you!
+C Omega Airsoft through the power of scalpels and a bathtub full of ice, you too can remove internal organs.
@@preacherofmusic Yes, hysterectomies are performed all the time. My coworker just had one done a few months ago. There's a number of medical conditions that happen in older women that make this a needed thing.
@@preacherofmusic A uterus can be removed for the sole purpose of permanently sterilizing yourself if you just don’t wanna get pregnant and have kids, not just for a complicated health reason that can occur at any point in life. But, unfortunately permanent female sterilization needs approval from a male spouse if you’re married and don’t have children. A female spouse can’t make that decision for herself apparently, because I guarantee you that every doctor will be like “What if you regret it and want kids?” So? Adopt a kid out of the system or pay a surrogate mother carry a child for you, you don’t have to create one in your own body to make a family.
Looks at actual research article on the theory of evolution to try and understand Argonian physiology.
Subscribed.
Yeah its amazing^-^
Same
Researching a 350 page article about evolution, to uncover the mysteries of lizard titty
TH-camr: Looks at actual research article on the theory of evolution to try to understand Argonian physiology.
Hist Tree: *Is Magic*
More like trying to solve the mess Bethesda writers left behind
love how you cover the overlooked subjects I can just imagine an Argnoian mother caring for her young, its so beautiful :)
NOTE: I'm not a biologist, so I might get some of this wrong.
Another indicator that Argonian breasts are just for show is that male Argonians don't have nipples. Typically both sexes of most mammalian species have nipples, as during the development of the fetus, it initially develops female before sexual dimorphism is present. Mammary tissue is present in both males and females, but it undergoes more development in females (there are a couple of exceptions) and thus is considered vestigial in most male mammals. For a male Argonian to not exhibit a nipple suggests that the females don't, either, indicating there is no lactation of any kind and it's just for appearance.
I came here to say this
Also in Daggerfall, you can see female nipples on every race except Argonians.
@@peppermint5117 Absolutely. It's all the same tissue, just usually with different hormone ratios (also why nobody just lactates all the time). Just needs a hit of the right hormones, which can happen sometimes (fully naturally) in any adult body without an actual pregnancy being required.
@@peppermint5117 Yes, and it is called gynecomastia. Usualy secondary to a pathology that is producing hormones not typical to the male body. There quite a few pathologies that might lead to gynecoastia, and some might even make the man have some level of lactation or Galactorrhea as it is said in medicine. This comes from the fact that the difference between men and female is not that big and in fact, its a different stimuli during the 9 month development that pushes to either one sex or the other. Obviously the instructions to each sex are written in the cromossomes. Typical male hormones in the female body can also do the oposite, in fact one of the more tipical signs is hirsutism, the presence of excess hair in places females typicaly do not have it. One very common cause is addisons disease, which in short, is also a hormone production defficiency.
or their gender could be formed earlier on in development. They are lizard people created by magical trees from reptiles, human pregnancy probably was probably only a rough basis in their creation.
Lizards actually do have belly-buttons. In the egg they have an umbilicus, which is the same as an umbilical cord, except its connected to the yolk rather than a placenta.
Baby lizards have very obvious belly-buttons, it's kind of adorable :)
I saw "elder scrolls: argonian boobs" and my first impression was, YES, someone asked it!
Look, I thought this was going to be a meme video but I genuinely enjoyed the content while finding this whole thing hilarious and fascinating.
what if female Argonians can carry Hist sap in their breasts, but are not able to create it themselves, kind of like a flask? That would explain why those close to the trees are still the only ones with access to the sap, but would allow for the Hist sap breast contents theory to hold true.
Mmmm, tiddy flask
I wondered the same so maybe it not only contains the sap but seeds of the hist trees? This would allow them to find a place to grow and plant one to later have as a storage point to carry more sap and I love that because argonians don’t have lips for suckling it gets thrown out when let’s be honest the mothers can put it into a small bowl for the young to drink
How would they even... put the hist in there, tho?
@@TheWaslijn could be they have a third esophagus for the hist, there as we have one for our lungs and stomach?
what if the breasts produce and store it? so that in the uterus the egg can be immersed in it? it provides the egg pre laying (in the case of black marsh) with a supply of hist sap, and if they are outside of black marsh, it helps the child develop normally. IF the mother had some sort of damage, such as by a sword or other reason, then the case of Ja Reed not getting his hist sap makes sense?
So this is type of content which is called: "Oh shit, I definitely have to go to bed".
I feel attacked
lol
its only 5pm rn...
0408 yep
Definitely*
I think this is the most civil discussion of breast anatomy on the entire internet
Which is intriguing, being on a discussion on boobs in a fantasy game lol. I'm glad it hadn't devolved into immature jokes much yet.
the PEOPle nEED to KNOW
Well tbf people already know how a breast works. However, this video presents brand new information required for the whole of tamriel
at first i thought this would be a short and funny video, but it's actually an interesting theme that i never thought of
The thing is: humans are weird. Other than primates, mammals don’t really have large permanent breasts. And why would they? They’re heavy. Instead it makes way more sense to have nipples and breast tissue which develops and expands after the female becomes pregnant. But human breasts develop at sexual maturity and only expand during pregnancy. One theory suggests that this is because large breasts act as a sexual display for bipeds. Basically, tetrapodal mammals most often rely on the buttocks and hips as sexual displays. This is for pretty obvious reason and because any sort of upper display wouldn’t make sense as they have their stomachs to the ground. But when we started to walk up right, there needed to be something for the top. This became breasts as a way to say “I’m fertile and can feed your offspring”. So even in humans boobs are kind of for show.
I'm getting Prison School flashbacks here.
@@LecherousLizard he is a true ass man
as a 23 year old female I can confirm upon encountering a suitable mate I do indeed greet him with my trusty pickup line "I’m fertile and can feed your offspring” followed swiftly by presenting my chest to him.
(tbh i'm probably gonna try this with my bf just to see what he says lol)
Keep us posted lmfao
@@clarewhite548 We're going to need news of his reaction, pls hahahaha
And the Hist said, "Let them have breasts!" and it was good
@Black Rainbow it would be the scallies actually
@Black Rainbow and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that Rainbow😌
@@aspengechel3723 yeah it would be in my general vicinity wouldn't it
@@aspengechel3723 Not all furries are zoos but all zoos are furries
@MastemaJack Excuse you, when I fuck a horse I expect it to look like a horse and not Bojack Horseman.
Wait, looking at the size of the eggs I have a theory.
The eggs near the Hist sap are massive. Bigger than what (in my opinion) would be possible to lay by the Argonian's. So what if they are laid small, are placed near Hist sap and they continue to grow. If for some reason an Argonian is born away from their homeland, the Argonian females give live birth (eggs hatch inside) and then breast-feed but it's not as effective as the tradintonal way, but still works. If Argonian's are meant to be extremely adaptable, then having the ability to give live birth and/or lay an egg would allow them to live easier. Lay eggs when you know you can leave the young alone and they will be safe so you can continue thriving, or develop them internally when the area is hostile, always protecting them.
Or the Hist just copied man and elves too close and left the titties, said fuck it, and left it in.
Or just literally saw tits on the ladies, and we're just like "okay, put em on the lizards."
Not possible to lay that big of eggs with *that* attitude
@@greeboman6592 Your enthusiasm both disturbs and motivates me.
I remember collecting all of the Lusty Argonian Maid books. 😆
I enjoyed reading every book in it that I found. Especially about the Gods. 👍
Fun fact: Breast tissue is identical to sweat glads. Milk is in effect a modified form of sweat and is hypothesized to be modified form of the "milky sweat" found in or armpits and pubic areas.
also this is one thing that can be chalked up to "artist ignorance" but Argonians lack the the Supratemporal fenestra typically found in diapsids (Birds and all extant reptiles). The shape of their skulls more closely resembles Synapsids making them closer related to Mammals than true reptiles.
Excuse me, but I never thought I would hear the words "milky sweat" and now I want to die
@THE NEWMAKER I wish I never know about it
ehhh, i wouldn't say "identical". They use meroapocrine secretion instead of merocrine
Too much complicated words in there for my english... but is that really a thing ? I mean is that true ?
So all the mega milk r34 you find is people getting horny about sweat?
Now my recommended is filled with questionable Skyrim mods. *GOOD.*
thats what happenes when your name is well that AND you watch this video
@@WarriorPNG I was gonna question the "now" in this comment just because of that name.
Yeah yeah whats your pfp from? I need to know for research
Oh it will fit uwu.
@@waterdragon2.08 The new Animaniacs reboot.
Asking the real questions
Alright, as always I’m later. But holy shit have I found my community. Y’all be answering questions I have always had, but couldn’t ask.
Me: TH-cam I'm bored, suggest me something to watch
TH-cam: Argonian Boobs
Well played
Millions of years ago a fish decided to try walking and now im watching an explanation of lizard boobs
Fr
This is why god is dead. He abandoned his creation when he found out he fucked up.
It’s just evolution
I feel compelled to say I appreciate the fact that someone out there in the wider world felt compelled to make three different internal representations of the breasts of a non-existent creature from an almost decade old game. God bless you sir or madame, it's scientists like you who created the modern world.
I feel compelled to beat the shit of whoever drew it
It's fun, I mean hey we play a guessing game with fossils alot, albeit educated its pretty hard to actually tell what it would look like really, I think its in the same ballpark
Great detective work on such an important subject! Thank you!
I think you solved this mystery when you talked about the Half-Argonian son of Count Csaran. The fact that a Half-Argonian can exist means that they can crossbreed with mammalian races or at least Altmer. If that's the case perhaps the breast is a means to feed the mixed race child. Argonian physiology is highly adaptive including the ability to crossbreed with significantly different races. This would be the purpose of the breast, to feed children not gestated within an egg. It would also provide a greater comprehension as to the popularity of Argonian mid-wives and maids. They're capable of acting as wet nurses for other races children and as generally they won't need to produce milk for their own offspring unless they have a mixed child.
I thought about this too!
Then again, we can take everything Shivering Isles related with a grain of 'unreliable' salt
"The Lusty Argonian Maid" is a second truth.
“I now have a new worst mental image.”
-Piper, Fallout 4
Lifts-Her-Tail has adapted to have sex appeal to non-argonians.
I can only manage to find Volume 2 and 3 I think, my quest is a noble one (not really), yet treacherous, for anyone who I run into when searching bookshelves ask, "Looking for something in particular?" and all I can do is say, "no" then keep obviously looking for something in particular... By the Gods, I will not fail my quest.
It's breast milk. All races can interbreed, so Argonian females would need to be able to breastfeed their mer/human children.
This is a great point to bring up. Especially considering Count Cesrien on the Shivering Isles's half-Argonian son en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_Vitharn
I'd say breast milk is a high validity theory.
A counter thought to this is that Count Cesrien's half-Argonian son could have been egg'd (then proving the "nothing" theory more), or straight up not breastfed, and getting deficiencies because of it.
Do we have sources of *healthy* interbred children with beastraces? I can't really recall any.
If Argonians can breed with the other races, breastfeeding is still irrelevant because there's either an Argonian father so you don't have to worry about it, or the child is born an Argonian so you still don't have to worry about it.
That, of course, is assuming that they can do it at all; can we really trust a document that exists *only* within the Shivering Isles? After all, we never see Csaran or his son ourselves, we only read about them in a book that doesn't exist on Nirn and can only be found within the realm of the Daedric Prince of Madness. Which is to say that we have *no* reliable source that an Argonian has ever actually successfully bred with a non-Argonian.
If they can't, it's not relevant. If they can, we have other sources that claim that the mother's race largely decides the child's race - and that means that the only two possibilities of an Argonian/non-Argonian relationship don't actually require breastfeeding at all.
@@Eisotopius I've personally never liked to take Racial Phylogeny as a hard rule. I look it as saying that more of the mother's traits pass on than the father's, but there's still a decent amount of both. If the child always is always the exact same race as the mother then the Bretons wouldn't exist. There has to be a degree of mixing, but what traits would a hypothetical Argonian hybrid inherit? Maybe it just happens to inherit the need for milk, so it might be advantageous for Argonian mothers to have the capability even if it's not often necessary.
Of course, that's if a hybrid is even possible.
@@Aipe97 Well, we know that humans and elves share an origin far back enough in history - both are descended from Ehlnofey. For Argonians this is not so certain. This might be why mixed-race people are born among elves and humans, but not argonians and everyone else. Then again, races as they exist in reality defy the discrete categorization that is most often seen in medieval fantasy, so in the latter case things eventually stop making sense when you think about it too hard.
I love how ppl will go so in depth on aspects of lore that you know the original creators just put in there cause it just seemed right at the moment. Regardless I respect those that can go in later & fill in the lore
TH-cam: hmm yes we shall recommend Skyrim argonian boob science
.... This is the way...
Theres more ESO to this then skyrim tbh. I just played ESO shadowfen zone and made me realize how cool argonians actually are. When I played ESO I picked them few times just to spice things up but never questioned myself why there are lizards in the game.
And so they did. Everywhere. It was like watching an octopus.
yep
I don't know this channel so when I saw "Argonian Boobs" I expected a shitpost, not to walk away a smarter person who was genuinely interested the entire video.
"...they're just there. It's not exciting, but .."
Oh i beg to differ.
God, i love my YT recommendations list
This is exactly what makes The Elder Scrolls lore both infamous and absolutely lovely
According to Coomer's Razor, the most NSFW conclusion is usually the most likely one.
Early Bethesda was just a group of coomers
Argonian Boobs are where the tentacles are stored?
@@patrickhector not lewd enough, tentacles are used for movement and fucking women, argonian men would have to be the ones to have breasts for this to be the most NSFW one
Breast milk, got it
There is a surprising amount of thought put into this by the developers. Far more than "hah, lizard boobs" I expected. Considering climate, different types of egg layers, this is actually kind of fascinating. It's amazing how much research into the real can go into something completely fictional.
Thank you!
alright you finally got me i’ve been recommended this video for over a year now and it’s time to actually watch it at last
He was a slave though, right? It can easily be assumed that he never got the hist sap from his Mother if they were slaves. If Argonians were destined to exist outside of the Black Marsh they would need some way of getting that sap. If they don't they become underdeveloped.
Autism is also genetic, and even if one parent has it, it's not always going to cause autism, but children with autism in the lineage show traits of, but usually the child isn't autistic, but carries the genes (and in most cases i could find those get the benefits of autism)
i doubt autism has benefits
@@MonstertruckBadass Depends on the type, but usually it is a trade off. Often exceeding in one area, but being incredibly behind in others. Overall, the benefits rarely outweigh the losses.
@@YuGiOhAbridgeFAN Thought so
@@MonstertruckBadass That’s the thing: Most forms of Autism, where social integration is difficult and sensory factors like Hearing, Smell and Sight are fairly sensitive and in modern habitats (towns and cities) obtrusive and generally difficult to cope with, in our species’ earlier existence before we formed complex societies, these traits proved greatly beneficial, as they allowed people with such traits to sense, hunt and survive better in extremely hazardous environments filled with many species and threats/opportunities than a neurotypical individual would
Autism is what i would consider an evolutionary trait that while historically useful when it’s mild, is being rendered impotent by modern social structures and environments, and has a high chance of rendering a child unable to survive to adulthood without external help
@John Smitty that gets harder to do when they drug your drink
This is perhaps the most groundbreaking lore video I have ever seen.
You’re here
Wait I know you...
I love how randomly for no reason YT Recommended this video to me over 2 years since it came out. Not complaining, just kinda like ooookaay ;D
Very very late to the conversation but here's my two cents:
I subscribe to the hist sap breasts idea. Granted you seemed to be very against it but hear me out. Sap that comes directly from the trees has to be incredibly powerful and magical. The argonians being imbued with a portion of that power would only be able to produce a fraction of its potency. This would require Oregonian mothers to secrete the histap both in utero and after birth. The reason why hist sap itself is still needed to create a fully functional argonian is simply because the argonians themselves cannot produce a potent enough sap to feed their young. In my opinion if an argonian were to lay their egg soon after conception like they do in Black Marsh yet deny them the hist sap before and after hatching the argonian would be almost feral or animalistic. Basically argonian histap boobs are there to create the connection with the great root no matter where they are going ins are by providing them some small portion of sap. That's just my idea...
I don't think it's a bad read, but I don't think he was that against the theory in the first place, it could just as easily be without hist sap, argonians breed back to lizards, "true" hist sap prevents this degradation.
But it's easier to argue nothing, E.G. god dosn't exist, than half ideas, god MIGHT exist, without any hard evidence.
I like this
I would like to add something about the argonian slaves he talked about. They could have been sold away from there mother before they where done breath feeding.
The One and Only time "I'm with the Science Team!" is an acceptable reason to looking at boobs.
Personally theory: it depends on distance from the marsh. Not for hist vs milk, but milk vs nothing. If they have the ability to have all the hist they could ever need from the trees, they naturally don't produce any milk or anything as a supplement. They simply have lumps of fat for sex appeal. HOWEVER, as you travel further and hist becomes harder to acquire, you get argonian women with breasts that produce milk as a supplement.
I'm also fairly certain there's at least one documented case of a half-argonian somewhere in the lore, and if THAT'S the case, then depending on how they adapt together (hybridization vs maintaining one or the other's racial makeup) then it would be a necessity for the women to have milk as a backup for the non-argonian part of the child.
SO, I not only conjecture that milk is the most likely outcome further from the swamp, while nothing is more common in the swamp, I'm willing to theorize that, either through magic or due to that adaptation, if hybrids are possible, those near the swamp may grow the necessary glands, while those away from the swamp would have them grow as normal.
Subpossibility: There was a hybrid, but it was documented far from the marsh, in which case we get into divergent evolution and being able to take on traits of other places once hist dependency is lessened. So those further away, who would have functioning breasts, would be more able to crossbreed due to the adaptations
while i like this theory as a whole, i _don't_ think an argonian mother giving birth to a half-argonian would likely _need_ to be able to breastfeed her child
first, there's the simple matter that she'd likely not even be equipped to form an umbilical cord for the child. so even if the child came out looking more man or mer than argonian, it's probably gonna be coming out of an egg ( if an internal one ) and likely be more fully developed at birth as a consequence. hell, while i'm not 100% certain on how right i am about this, i _am_ pretty sure that sperm would have very little impact, if any at all, on how the resulting child would gestate. after all, even mammals use eggs as their female reproductive cell, and while i suppose that could just be analogical nomenclature ... i'm not gonna lie, i kinda feel like a fictional fantasy world _probably_ isn't written by people who know the ins and outs of sexual reproduction, so i feel like they'd work off of the same assumption if the thought even occurred to them at all
and secondly and significantly shorter winded ... alchemy is _pretty_ advanced in tamriel. even if the child needed to be breastfed _and_ the mother was biologically incapable of doing so _and_ they couldn't, like, just get a wet nurse ... baby formula can probably be bought from any local alchemist, if not just made at home. it's not even all that new of a concept in our world, so i'd have a hard time imagining elder scrolls peeps couldn't figure it out
We will find out when the official adaptation of "the lusty argonain maid" comes to big screens, this summer
In Mirkmire there is a quest called Empty-nest that involves a particular Argonian, she can be seen doing something that I and others reprieve as "Stimming" an action those on the spectrum do in an attempt to calm themselves. I highly encourage you play through the quest if you own the mirkmire dlc, failing that watch a play through of it if one exists. Links to her wiki page and a gif of what shes doing after the traumatic experience at the point in the quest were you need to make a decision. imgur.com/a/VCpZpO5 en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Xal-Sisei
This is awesome!
That was a really sad quest.😭
I think hist sap isn't entirely nonsensical when you consider that for Argonians who have moved away from Black Marsh still 'need' a source of it and we know that people like Ja-Reet didn't get the correct hist sap but it maybe that instead of not getting enough, he actually got it too late - i.e. post hatching. Similarly, it could be that non-BM Argonians who suffer adverse affects do so because they got the hist sap at too late a stage in their development and maybe Ja-Reet wasn't breast fed so he is a case of an Argonian who had no hist sap.
That’s been my argument for breast-sap.
@@____________838 Mmm, sappies
Andrew K Lizard sappies!
That leaves one question: Where does the hist sap in the breasts come from? Is substracted from whatever amount of hist sap the mother received and what would that do to her? Do Argonian women have to travel to a hist tree in regular intervals to fill up their boobs again? Or is the hist sap in the breasts generated by the mother - and if so: Why is it still hist sap if it wasn't generated by and taken from a hist?
MrAranton I imagine it’s like how most organisms on earth have Mitochondria, and are able to “produce” ATP. Through their mutations by the Hist sap, female Argonians also received a new organ set that makes enough quasi-sap to enact mutations in their children, if not enough for other rituals.
Ah, the belly button, the great red herring of biology.
The belly button is where the umbilical cord enters the fetus in placental mammals. However, embryos in eggs have an analog to the umbilical cord and placenta in the allantois, a sack outside the embryo where nitrogenous waste is stored during development, which is connected to the embryo by a narrow tube entering at the belly. The allantois is absorbed into the embryo the day before hatching and in snakes, the place where it entered the body is marked by a linear scar that crosses several of the belly scales. Over the course of several sheds, this belly scar disappears. Most reptiles have bellies that are in contact with the ground a lot, so having those scales be smooth is very important for not getting bacterial infections. Mammals, on the other hand, have that area protected by fur, spend a lot of time grooming that fur, and tend to walk around with their bellies lifted off the ground, so there isn't the evolutionary pressure to make that scar completely disappear.
In green anacondas, one of the few viviparous reptiles, the shell either doesn't form or disappears, and the allantois changes to exchange nutrients and waste with the mother, though it doesn't form an integrated structure like a placenta. How long the embryos stay in the mother depends on how big the mother is; newborn green anacondas range in size from 18 to 36 inches, depending on how long they stay inside.
There is a lizard in Europe which has live young in the cold, northern part of its range, and lays eggs in the south. So the idea that Argonians might do both is not farfetched.
Reptiles are much more varied in reproductive strategies than birds and mammals. (Amphibians and fish are even more varied.)
It should be noted that kittens have sharp pointed teeth, but that doesn't stop mother cats from nursing their kittens.
Finally, maybe Argonian nipples only appear when they are nursing, and at other times, the nipples shrink or retract into the breast and can't be seen.
I like how nobody replied to this comment besides me
tldr
@@Choosafunga777 Yep
Really interesting, my dude. Thanks for the read.
THANK YOU for talking about viviparous reptiles. you saved me the pain to point it .
At the end about no areola on the Daggerfall paper doll & Morrowind mesh texture. While it is uncertain for the females on Oblivion, Skyrim & ESO, it obviously seen on the males (even on Argonian behemoths) they still are nippleless, areolaless when they're barechested, this could imply that females are the same for those games as well.
Am i really wathing a video about argonian boobs? Is this what my life has become?
XD
Leaving jokes aside, i am on board with he third option. Seems the most plausible to me that if the Hist trees made argonians in the image of humans and mer then they would give them boobs just for the sake of looking female-like. As such the argoniam breast is just fatty tissue made as a sexual decoration just like many birds in our world have decorative feathers that serve no other purpose than to attract a mate.
Makes sense to me.
This channel’s content better become solely about examining Argonian Body Parts, or I’m going to be very upset.
Gr8 video btw.
the profile pic though
Cloaca or separate vagina and anus....we need to know.🤔
@@Barabel22 FOR SCIENCE!!!
@@Barabel22 play Murkmire DLC
@@justdude2775 I don’t have ESO, is the question answered there?
Let's keep in mind ESO is set before even DAGGERFALL, so Argonian reproduction may have changed over time up to Skyrim
yeah, especially since the hist called almost all argonians back to blackmarsh in preparation to the oblivion crisis and physically altered them to make them stronger, why not also change some sexual features
but they still have boobs in ESO
ESO isn’t canon.
@@brotherknight9484 what
@@tiffanyhendricks1860 A lot of people consider ESO non-canon, they're wrong, but...
I was expecting some weird lore, but I wasn't expecting "lack of hist sap gives Argonians aspergers"