Any coilover..any.. just dont pick stiff spring rates! Roughly 6k front and 5k rear spring rates...is about right average for subaru road setup... Recommended 5k front spring, 4k rear springs... Super good on the road, when on track just stiffen them up using click setting... Im running cusco zero 3S dampers all around... this damper were super short stroke with just 65mm travel before touching progressive bumpstop... And 11k front spring,10k rear spring which meant for semi slick soft compound track tyre 2modification ive made on the dampers: 1-shorten the progressive bumpstop to gain more strut travel from 65mm to 90mm overall more suited for bumpy street road surface 2-swap to softer springs 5k front and 4k rear... With many experience with jdm impreza sti of all years...my forester ride smooth only slightly firmer than any stock sti (not harsh) due to high damping rate Then..the front camber plate ive rotated them to be 100% caster plate.. increasing caster from stock +4.5degree to now +6degree Honestly..caster increase modification often overlooked by many especially in subaru cars mainly... Which of combats understeery nature of the subaru in corner entry... I hope u give the caster mod a try yourself and review them in future video... If u dont really like pillowball type camber plate, whiteline does have "caster C strut mount" made from rubber oem-like material but with caster design... Have a try on that... --------------- Combined with 22mm cusco front swaybar, whiteline 23mm rear swaybar both with solid swaybar links... Perfect daily driven,B road bashers and tracks/autocross setup... Just need swapping tyres and brakepads to fit the occasio
Great advice 👌 The Pedders have combined camber and caster top mounts which I forgot to feature in the video.. A great addition imo as you rightly say castor is often overlooked 👍
@@racedynamix this weekend i will be going to Sepang International Circuit 🇲🇾 with my forester SF5 for trackday session... But only with all season tyre and street brakepad... Not going to do any time attack...just to have a leisire drive and maybe a few fast lap just to see how well the car (relatively) new suspension setup in the track
@racedynamix I currently have on KYB on the front and Sachs on the rear basic standard OEM replacement on the vehicle when I got it and I have been looking for a suspension upgrade that didn't involve coilovers
I planned on putting pedders on my gc8 for some time , but an irresistible deal came up for a set of kyb agx (adjustable shocks) with eibach springs & STI group n top mounts ... cheaper than pedders so an exceptional price ! And pre-assembled so exactly as easy as fitting pedders sportsryder easy fit. I've also got in my parts stash to accompany the kyb eibach whiteline (wl) 22mm front (f) arb & wl 24 mm rear (r) arb with adjustable f wl droplinks & wl heavy duty r droplinks + wl heavy duty mounts + wl f&r lateral locks , & wl adjustable lateral arms & wl anti lift kit & wl roll centre bump steer correction kit.... + a load of wl polyurethane bushes & STI pink trailing arms (Pillowball jointed)..... aaaand breathe 😅. And to complement the suspension ive gone with cusco front & rear strut braces & a cusco rear triangle brace in an attempt to stiffen things up a little . All due to be fitted as soon as I have a paved area to jack the car & leave it on axel stands for the installation period. So fingers crossed 🤞 should be a good setup for spirited driving . I do have friends whom have a fozzy (forester) also black like yours & they went with pedders & said they are really good, so another thumbs up for pedders on a fozzy . We live in northern Ireland & the roads up here are similar to roads found throughout GB , obviously we do some driving in the Republic of Ireland too where many say the roads are shocking however ive not found any ive driven to be any worse than in the North (although some of the junctions are a little scary with no right of way preference. )
I recently put Whiteline ARBs and drop links on my FSTI. I also put BC racing coilovers on it, because the Tein that were on there when I bought it were knackered. The BC are a huge improvment over the Teins, but I dont know if that is because the Tein were just old and crap when I bought the car. The car is much more comfortable now, and handles a lot better, but I should probably have gone with the Pedders as its my daily. I wanted OEM suspension, but the only ones I could find were rusty!
I daily my car impreza sti, I also planned to do some trackdays. Cost of everything has put that on hold for now. Driving B roads spiritedly is a good alternative though. I got the usual knock on the rear shocks, so did my research online and decided to get a set of meister r gt1 coilovers (got a great deal), paired with 22mm (i think) whiteline antirollbars with heavy duty adjustable droplinks. Using the car daily on our crap roads is not to bad. The ride is firm but not much different to stock sti suspension (in my opiniin), I run the coilovers on the soft side. Got all the alignment set up once installed and been on the car 5plus years now. I love how it drives and feels on the road. 🏎 A friend who had a focus st on coilovers, had a passenger ride in my car. Asked me about the suspension, he thought it was stock and was suprised when i said coilovers. I did consider pedders at the time, i think there was a long lead time for parts when i was ready to order. But each to their own, makes the car scene intersting and unique. Would be very dull and boring if everybody done the same thing. Keep up with the videos 👍, great variety of content and very informative.
That looks like a good set-up for the UK roads. I run HKS coilovers on my '05 WRX wagon daily driver but I'm based in Japan, where the roads are generally in better condition than the UK - horses for courses and all that. Pleased to see you went for larger, 22mm sway bars/anti-roll bars as that's just the upgrade I'm going for albeit from Cusco rather than Whiteline. Did you uprate the end links as well?
@@racedynamix no thank you it's a absolute joy to watch your videos , happiness is few and far between in my life at the moment, But when I see these Subarus and your tuning package can't keep the smile of my face 🐻💙
Its a shame the KYB AGX are no longer made, as they were superb value, even when factoring in a spring/top mount kit. The only issue I've seen with the Pedders is lifespan, but compared to what a set of BC's look/feel like after 5 years, theyre in a completely different league lol. Like you say, in terms of value for money vs ride quality etc they are VERY hard to beat, especially for the average Impreza/Foz owner that isn't going to threaten the Time Attack leaderboards.
Another good vid 👍, I’ve got Pedders Xtreme Coilovers, Whiteline Rear Gold ARB Mounts, Droplinks, Cusco 24mm Front ARB, Prodrive Rear ARB and Superpro Roll Centre Adjustment Kit, works really well, it’s definitely considerably firmer than the original but it’s not my daily and suits me well.
I believe Arizona roads could make a viable challenge for over all poor condition. Some dirt roads are probably smoother than our paved. I’m really torn whether to do my suspension (all original on my ‘16 STI) or a color correction and all over ceramic coat next.
I have kyb excel-g’s with swift springs I’m about to install on my 05 FXT - I still need to get sway bars for it, but haven’t decided on bar thickness for the front/rear. How do you like 22mm for both? I was thinking of going thicker in the rear.
Never a truer point .. bad suspension can ruin the car.. I fitted the same Pedders back in 2018 on my 02 STI ( standard anti-roll bars) I found them very harsh on the motorway and general driving was very jarring. I had send them back and went for tein's Z flex.. these were softer but sadly only latest 2 years before having to swap everything out again..
Duncan, whats your opinion on the Group-N bushings? Are they a good compromise between standard rubber bushings and stiffer polyurethane? Ive got STI pink pillow ball lateral and trailing arms, whilst i have also replaced every bushing with Group-N aside from whiteline poly ARB mounts. Havnt tried out the setup yet
@@racedynamix Not exactly comfort oriented but definitely going to be mainly used on the road. Thanks and I appreciate the videos you've been putting out recently definitely a big help for people looking for advice from a genuine expert
I have a general Suby question. I am new to the suby world and am planning in the future to purchase a blobby sti but can’t quite decide weather l should focus on British delivered car or JDM. For performance and longevity, which way should I go? Cheers
What would you suggest if you wanted to tow a decently heavy trailer from time to time too? (Say you had a Legacy 3.0R Spec.B, which is rated for up to 2000kg) Thanks!
hmm tricky one. If you were towing a lot then stronger rear springs would be useful but perhaps an air assist would be a good option for the time to time occasions ? I don't know what is available for your model but it seems like the best(ish) of both worlds option 👍
@@racedynamix Yeah, the top spec facelift outbacks came with self leveling rear suspension, but to fit it you need the ride height sensors and that means swapping the subframes etc. And yeah, its only occasional towing, so its not worth ruining the ride, handling and looks of the car when its empty
I am currently debating BC BR series for my SG5, a guy i know has them says they are good for our roads, (kenyan roads are also not the best) and they seem to survive. what do you reckon?
@@racedynamix we are currently in what we consider winter at an average of about 12C, so we have no winter. our normal is usually 23-32C. i am planning a test drive to see what i think. if all else goes to naught i may just get what you have here.
@@racedynamix Hi ducan its phil from barnsley with the green wagon🤙, I have coilovers on at the moment but the roads in barnsley have gotten a lot worse since I fitted them nearly 10 years ago. I'm want to replace the coilovers but I don't want to go back to standard,the pedders would be perfect but unfortunately......
Any coilover..any.. just dont pick stiff spring rates!
Roughly 6k front and 5k rear spring rates...is about right average for subaru road setup...
Recommended 5k front spring, 4k rear springs...
Super good on the road, when on track just stiffen them up using click setting...
Im running cusco zero 3S dampers all around...
this damper were super short stroke with just 65mm travel before touching progressive bumpstop... And 11k front spring,10k rear spring which meant for semi slick soft compound track tyre
2modification ive made on the dampers:
1-shorten the progressive bumpstop to gain more strut travel from 65mm to 90mm overall more suited for bumpy street road surface
2-swap to softer springs 5k front and 4k rear...
With many experience with jdm impreza sti of all years...my forester ride smooth only slightly firmer than any stock sti (not harsh) due to high damping rate
Then..the front camber plate ive rotated them to be 100% caster plate..
increasing caster from stock +4.5degree to now +6degree
Honestly..caster increase modification often overlooked by many especially in subaru cars mainly... Which of combats understeery nature of the subaru in corner entry...
I hope u give the caster mod a try yourself and review them in future video...
If u dont really like pillowball type camber plate, whiteline does have "caster C strut mount" made from rubber oem-like material but with caster design... Have a try on that...
---------------
Combined with 22mm cusco front swaybar, whiteline 23mm rear swaybar both with solid swaybar links...
Perfect daily driven,B road bashers and tracks/autocross setup... Just need swapping tyres and brakepads to fit the occasio
Great advice 👌 The Pedders have combined camber and caster top mounts which I forgot to feature in the video.. A great addition imo as you rightly say castor is often overlooked 👍
@@racedynamix this weekend i will be going to Sepang International Circuit 🇲🇾 with my forester SF5 for trackday session...
But only with all season tyre and street brakepad...
Not going to do any time attack...just to have a leisire drive and maybe a few fast lap just to see how well the car (relatively) new suspension setup in the track
Thank you very much for a comprehensive review for a suspension upgrade cause I wanted to upgrade my 07 Forester Cross Sports S Edition
My pleasure. Happy to help. I love the Pedders for the road and spirited driving too 😎
@racedynamix I currently have on KYB on the front and Sachs on the rear basic standard OEM replacement on the vehicle when I got it and I have been looking for a suspension upgrade that didn't involve coilovers
I’ve had the sportryders on my Foz for 3/4 years, agree they’re great although not upgraded the arb’s yet.
The arbs make it a bit sharper to turn in.. Well worth it imo 👍
I planned on putting pedders on my gc8 for some time , but an irresistible deal came up for a set of kyb agx (adjustable shocks) with eibach springs & STI group n top mounts ... cheaper than pedders so an exceptional price ! And pre-assembled so exactly as easy as fitting pedders sportsryder easy fit.
I've also got in my parts stash to accompany the kyb eibach whiteline (wl) 22mm front (f) arb & wl 24 mm rear (r) arb with adjustable f wl droplinks & wl heavy duty r droplinks + wl heavy duty mounts + wl f&r lateral locks , & wl adjustable lateral arms & wl anti lift kit & wl roll centre bump steer correction kit.... + a load of wl polyurethane bushes & STI pink trailing arms (Pillowball jointed)..... aaaand breathe 😅.
And to complement the suspension ive gone with cusco front & rear strut braces & a cusco rear triangle brace in an attempt to stiffen things up a little .
All due to be fitted as soon as I have a paved area to jack the car & leave it on axel stands for the installation period.
So fingers crossed 🤞 should be a good setup for spirited driving .
I do have friends whom have a fozzy (forester) also black like yours & they went with pedders & said they are really good, so another thumbs up for pedders on a fozzy .
We live in northern Ireland & the roads up here are similar to roads found throughout GB , obviously we do some driving in the Republic of Ireland too where many say the roads are shocking however ive not found any ive driven to be any worse than in the North (although some of the junctions are a little scary with no right of way preference. )
Looks like you thought that all out very well to me 👏
I recently put Whiteline ARBs and drop links on my FSTI. I also put BC racing coilovers on it, because the Tein that were on there when I bought it were knackered. The BC are a huge improvment over the Teins, but I dont know if that is because the Tein were just old and crap when I bought the car. The car is much more comfortable now, and handles a lot better, but I should probably have gone with the Pedders as its my daily. I wanted OEM suspension, but the only ones I could find were rusty!
I think teins are oversprung personally so even in good condition they would be too hard or bouncy.
I can thoroughly recommend Pedders 👍
I daily my car impreza sti, I also planned to do some trackdays. Cost of everything has put that on hold for now. Driving B roads spiritedly is a good alternative though.
I got the usual knock on the rear shocks, so did my research online and decided to get a set of meister r gt1 coilovers (got a great deal), paired with 22mm (i think) whiteline antirollbars with heavy duty adjustable droplinks.
Using the car daily on our crap roads is not to bad. The ride is firm but not much different to stock sti suspension (in my opiniin), I run the coilovers on the soft side.
Got all the alignment set up once installed and been on the car 5plus years now. I love how it drives and feels on the road. 🏎
A friend who had a focus st on coilovers, had a passenger ride in my car. Asked me about the suspension, he thought it was stock and was suprised when i said coilovers.
I did consider pedders at the time, i think there was a long lead time for parts when i was ready to order.
But each to their own, makes the car scene intersting and unique. Would be very dull and boring if everybody done the same thing.
Keep up with the videos 👍, great variety of content and very informative.
Thanks a lot mate. Getting some really detailed replies to this video such as yours.. Helps us build a real community here I hope 🙏
Definitely the setup of choice . I have the same setup on mine 👌mine is the grey auto cross sport
Good choice!
That looks like a good set-up for the UK roads. I run HKS coilovers on my '05 WRX wagon daily driver but I'm based in Japan, where the roads are generally in better condition than the UK - horses for courses and all that. Pleased to see you went for larger, 22mm sway bars/anti-roll bars as that's just the upgrade I'm going for albeit from Cusco rather than Whiteline. Did you uprate the end links as well?
Thanks.. Yeah I did the drop links and the towers too 👌
Gorgeous forester 😍💙💙💙😍
Thank you very much buddy 😎🙏
@@racedynamix no thank you it's a absolute joy to watch your videos , happiness is few and far between in my life at the moment, But when I see these Subarus and your tuning package can't keep the smile of my face 🐻💙
Its a shame the KYB AGX are no longer made, as they were superb value, even when factoring in a spring/top mount kit. The only issue I've seen with the Pedders is lifespan, but compared to what a set of BC's look/feel like after 5 years, theyre in a completely different league lol. Like you say, in terms of value for money vs ride quality etc they are VERY hard to beat, especially for the average Impreza/Foz owner that isn't going to threaten the Time Attack leaderboards.
Absolutely.. And they don't annoy you like cheap coilovers 👏
My BC's latest approx 5 years.. didn't know the AGX were no longer in production.. loads of people love the KYB + Eibach route
Another good vid 👍, I’ve got Pedders Xtreme Coilovers, Whiteline Rear Gold ARB Mounts, Droplinks, Cusco 24mm Front ARB, Prodrive Rear ARB and Superpro Roll Centre Adjustment Kit, works really well, it’s definitely considerably firmer than the original but it’s not my daily and suits me well.
Good set up for your type of driving for sure. How are the Pedders coilovers with uk weather?
Unrelated question. That’s mph and not kph limits stenciled on the road?
@@01hafkee yep 👍
@@racedynamix they’ve been on the car for a few years now and all good so far 👍
I believe Arizona roads could make a viable challenge for over all poor condition. Some dirt roads are probably smoother than our paved.
I’m really torn whether to do my suspension (all original on my ‘16 STI) or a color correction and all over ceramic coat next.
I’m going something totally different on mine when I’ve modded exhaust and I come for a tweak you’ll see
Will it go pftiiiiish? 😉🤣
@@racedynamix it may do 😉
I have kyb excel-g’s with swift springs I’m about to install on my 05 FXT - I still need to get sway bars for it, but haven’t decided on bar thickness for the front/rear. How do you like 22mm for both? I was thinking of going thicker in the rear.
22mm is perfect. 24mm tends to make the car jiggle side to side too much on uk roads imo
Never a truer point .. bad suspension can ruin the car..
I fitted the same Pedders back in 2018 on my 02 STI ( standard anti-roll bars) I found them very harsh on the motorway and general driving was very jarring. I had send them back and went for tein's Z flex.. these were softer but sadly only latest 2 years before having to swap everything out again..
Indeed. I have seen so many sets of teins die over the years unfortunately. They don't seem to like UK winters
Do you hav any experience with the factionfab coilovers? It Looks to get good reviews
Hi. I've not heard of them tbh and not had any customers with them yet to my knowledge.
What do you think about the ohlins road and track coilovers??
Hi. I haven't tried them personally but have heard great things. But cost is high 😱
Duncan, whats your opinion on the Group-N bushings? Are they a good compromise between standard rubber bushings and stiffer polyurethane?
Ive got STI pink pillow ball lateral and trailing arms, whilst i have also replaced every bushing with Group-N aside from whiteline poly ARB mounts. Havnt tried out the setup yet
Hi. The group n are still very stiff so depends on what you are wanting... And depends on cost 👍
@@racedynamix Not exactly comfort oriented but definitely going to be mainly used on the road.
Thanks and I appreciate the videos you've been putting out recently definitely a big help for people looking for advice from a genuine expert
@@u-an6821 thank you so much.. There are few of us prepared to share information in the Subaru world 😎
I have a general Suby question. I am new to the suby world and am planning in the future to purchase a blobby sti but can’t quite decide weather l should focus on British delivered car or JDM. For performance and longevity, which way should I go? Cheers
JDM 👍
What would you suggest if you wanted to tow a decently heavy trailer from time to time too? (Say you had a Legacy 3.0R Spec.B, which is rated for up to 2000kg)
Thanks!
hmm tricky one. If you were towing a lot then stronger rear springs would be useful but perhaps an air assist would be a good option for the time to time occasions ? I don't know what is available for your model but it seems like the best(ish) of both worlds option 👍
@@racedynamix Yeah, the top spec facelift outbacks came with self leveling rear suspension, but to fit it you need the ride height sensors and that means swapping the subframes etc.
And yeah, its only occasional towing, so its not worth ruining the ride, handling and looks of the car when its empty
I am currently debating BC BR series for my SG5, a guy i know has them says they are good for our roads, (kenyan roads are also not the best) and they seem to survive. what do you reckon?
I think the bc would be fine.. You probably don't experience the winters the same as here I guess.
@@racedynamix we are currently in what we consider winter at an average of about 12C, so we have no winter. our normal is usually 23-32C. i am planning a test drive to see what i think. if all else goes to naught i may just get what you have here.
Anyone has install Peders on Legacy Gt’s?
Hi. Not that I've seen as the std Bilsteins are superb and can be rebuilt easily tbh 👍😎
@@racedynamix thank you
They don't make them for the gc8 wagon which is a shame
It is a shame yes. Thanks for watching 🙏
@@racedynamix Hi ducan its phil from barnsley with the green wagon🤙, I have coilovers on at the moment but the roads in barnsley have gotten a lot worse since I fitted them nearly 10 years ago. I'm want to replace the coilovers but I don't want to go back to standard,the pedders would be perfect but unfortunately......
Hi Phil, please do get in touch as we do plan on doing a wagon variant, both stock height and lowered.
@@pedderssuspensionbrakesuk2143❤
That's great news 👏
What size wheels and tires are you running?
Hi. 18 inch.. 225/45 V701 Yokohama 👍