It’s tragic but the training cannot change. There is a reason the navy seals are the elite war fighters in the world. Do not make the navy soft, continue to harden. America needs these men.
The training doesn’t have to change. The real question is why would you have life threatening training and still not have the appropriate medical care on standby knowing full well that the situation could be harmful? That is what should be changed. Why was there not properly organized medical staff for these situations? Especially when it’s training.
They have plenty of medical staff and the candidates are very closely watched in buds , what you don’t understand is that when they get to the teams they will experience harder training with much much less observation so they have to be able to get thru no matter what because there’s no one to save them when there on the teams by themselves not in a student environment that’s closely observed. Plus there’s more to this that candidate was found with some kinds of steroids or something similar of some sort that would cause fluid to build in his lungs even more .
This isn't softening them up. The report on the medical support being insufficient is why this sailor is now tragically dead. Not everything is a culture war. Navy Special Warfare Command must do better.
@@anthonyprice8389 I guess he was referring to the culture of forging the best warriors on planet earth forgetting to put in place proper medical staff if needed. It's called 3rd degree murder same as when you are totally drunk and you kill someone, with criminal negligence, while driving.
That’s so funny I just found the doc on the streaming service Tubi and started bing watching. Seeing him and the training I think it sucks that a man lost his life but the training is amazing and they need to keep it the same. The risks are known before they even start.
@@McDago100 Lots of people fail out of BUDS due to injuries. My brother passed on the first time, but a few of his buddies had go through again due to injuries. (Hell Week is near the beginning of the training.) If you read the details, it's pretty bad. Dude pushed through Hell Week, but died afterwards. Fifty-eight members of Mullen's class of SEAL candidates started Hell Week - just 21 finished. By Thursday of Hell Week, Mullen was in what one of his classmates called "full messed up mode," coughing up dark fluid but unwilling to seek medical attention for fear he would be dropped from the course. Twice in the closing hours of Hell Week he was pulled from training and administered oxygen. Once he had to ride from one location to another in an ambulance. After he completed Hell Week, Mullen and the other trainees were given physical exams and sent to their barracks to recover. Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair. There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation. When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course. By the time someone finally called 911, it was too late to save Mullen.
This Captain told the whole story on the Shawn Rayn show. Go and listen you will be amazed. Kyle was clear nothing wrong but the illegal drugs he was using caused his death.
Med staff is fine. He was witnessed taking illegal drugs afterwards (at a point no seal had died in training for 70 years- they aren’t screwing around with the medical out there). Those drugs took out his enlarged heart.
My heart goes out to the family. Thos was a tragic accident. However, the tuff rigorous standards should never be lowered. The Medical Department should be held accountable for there lack of proper care and attention.
It's sad that the young fella lost his life. The American Navy Seals are the best in the world because of their extremely taxing selection process. I am sure they and the family are extremely heart broken about the loss of the late gentleman's life.
@@David-c9o1k not according to Brad Geary’s interview on the Shawn Ryan Show. It’s fair to question B. Geary’s account given his involvement, but solid journalism should at least address the claims of PEDs and allow the viewers to judge for themselves
@@David-c9o1k nope, not victim blaming at all. What happened is terrible and sad. But it’s unacceptable that folks call for changes to the Navy SEAL’s training “institution” without having all aspects of this tragedy broadly discussed.
As tragic as this situation was, this is what the training IS!!!! In fact, the NSW website that overviews BUDS specifically notes that there is a chance of death during training. Also, it is my understanding that there are also deaths attributed during the ongoing training exercises once you become a SEAL. It is the nature of the business. God bless these warriors who voluntarily put it all on the line for their country. Our country NEEDS people like these men!!!
@@amirijeans8450BUD/S is just the entry level training/selection process. After that you attend SQT (Seal qualification training) which is roughly 14 weeks, then airborne school which you can still be kicked from the program in that time. Then once you get to your team you have several months to a year or so of additional training under the guise of you team who can recommend you be dropped yet again from the teams. And that’s just for the white side teams. If you try to augment to the tier 1 element that’s another 9 month training pipeline
They are navy seals the most Elite soldiers with the hardest training, he knew what he was getting himself into along with all the other candidates that join they’ll tell you that themselves 💯
@@gustv5789 you've never served so you wouldn't know + no one would actually know anyways + navy seals are basically a meme at this point "oh just send some boats with navy seals on them" they wrote 473837 books about it already , the truth is they're just frogmen just like Russian frogmen or Danish frogmen units , not some hyperversetalite supersoldier elite unit , the FFL is probably better
@@allendaoust5844 they're not the most elite in the US military let alone in the world , I don't get all the media hype around them they're just frogmen , civilians love the seals
Sounds like the recruit knew what he was getting into. It's called Hell Week for a reason. Capt. Geary not only served for 20+ years in the military, received the Stockdale award for leadership excellence, and also produced high-quality Seals during the height of Covid? Sounds like an excellent leader to me, but he was thrust into an extremely unfortunate situation, which looks like it'll tank his hard-earned career. My heart goes out out him
My heart goes out to the family of that young man for their loss, but the standards are set for a reason and unlike the Army which has weakened their standards to allow women to graduate Ranger School, these young men have to be able to overcome many obstacles in the combat environment, many of which the civilian population will never understand.
I didn't know women could graduate Ranger School!!!!!! That sends a chill down my spine. The leadership HAS TO KNOW that women operating in combat in a Ranger capacity WILL COST LIVES. You are absolutely right that the civilian population doesn't understand the grotesque, morbid, traumatic and fatally toxic environment of war. There's so much information out there about Rangers and their battlefield experiences that should CLEARLY illustrate why women SHOULD NOT BE RANGERS. I'm almost 50 years old so my opinion is outdated, but I still believe women SHOULD NOT be in combat either. They just aren't biologically designed to fight in any type of infantry unit or forward area.
@@jeff0247598 100% correct. Those woke idiots in the Pentagon have zero clue. I am just a little older than you, but when I was in Afghanistan (2008-2009) we had two women fly up to our COP in the mountains and you could smell their perfume from a mile away. Every kid in my section perked up. I remember telling my command how bad of an idea it was to send those ladies up to our position, but it was beyond their control. There are so many poor leaders within the Army and I am sure that goes for all branches, but they just don't use their brains. Yes it's disgusting that the Army has weakened the Ranger School Standards so much, to also include a double standard, one for women and one for men. I am sure this was a push from Obama because he is all about destroying America.
Just cause Ranger school allows Females doesn’t mean they lowered their standards. Many still don’t even volunteer. & “Rasp” is the real elite Army Ranger school
tell me you know nothing of the brotherhood without actually saying it. If you're child was being held hostage in some shithole half way around the world you don't want some transgender soft, jelly belly dipshit going in to get them out. you'd want men like this. It's not for everyone. It's a different kind of man. Just say thank you and order another latte.@@jhp9621
I feel horrible for Kyle and his family, but I can't help but think if he was here he'd be embarrassed by his mother's actions. Everyone knows what the deal is with spec ops programs. Rest assured Kyle knew it and wanted it. You don't make it through without it being everything to you. They go through the most rigorous training on the planet and they know that going in. They know they will be walking that knife edge between safety and superiority. He could have quit at any time he wanted. He was a badass and he didn't. He is a stud and a hero. The training is hard because hard men are what is required at the tip of the spear. He is a better, tougher, and stronger man than 99.9% of the population and you are tainting the memory of your son. Please think about your son's legacy. He worked and sacrifice too much for you to cheapen it. I'm sorry for your loss. My heart bleeds for you.
BUDS is designed to be tough, and have a high attrition rate. The training has to insure there is safety, as 75-90% of these very fit candidates will not make it through. If "lungs are abnormal, and there is swelling in legs, get the person to a hospital. When at a hospital get labs done, X-rays of the lungs, and find out why are the legs swollen. Swollen legs? Is it cellulitis (skin infection), acute heart failure (can happen if there are severe lung problems) kidney problems ? I have no issue with the toughness that SpecOps go through. The training Americans go through is more humane than what the British go through. Have all the utmost respect for British spec ops by the way. Safety has to a concern foremost, and accountability needs to be there also.
Absolutely....full battery of medical tests to be done before resuming training and afterwards, if cleared, closely monitored with lung checks and 02 sat levels.
It would be great if he said, “as the commander I’m 100% responsible. We took every measure possible, known to us at the time, that were proven to be successful for all of our prior BUD/S classes. Our past successes made us think the medical measures were adequate for the health and safety of our SEAL candidates. Clearly in this student’s case, those measures were not adequate. This tragedy has shown a light on a blind spot that we did not foresee prior this to tragedy. We are taking steps to improve the medical care to ensure this never happens again.”
The reporter asked stupid questions by saying “is there anyone you blame” what the hell does that mean, no Navy SEAL is going to oust an active duty seal by name dropping them.
The training doesn’t have to change. The question is why is there no appropriate medical care on standby, especially for training? Why would you want to lose more lives during training than in combat? Are they dying from training or are they actually dying from lack of proper medical attention? If so, is that avoidable? Can we optimize training more people without losing more people? It’s also terrible for morale. Why would your men fight for you, when you don’t even fight for them to get appropriate medical care? They are risking their lives and should be getting at least appropriate medical care during training. That’s like the basic necessity for life threatening situations. The training does not need to change at all. It’s how can they improve? Do they have good leadership if they can’t recognize when there needs to be improvement? Is it okay for leaders to hold others accountable, yet not hold themselves accountable? Is it as one dimensional as people dying? Or can you still have intense training and include appropriately organized medical care on standby? These are realities that people should consider if they want to truly improve every aspect of having “better” training. There are much more nuanced solutions, than just this is what it is.
@@Oasis-StormbornNobody who wants to earn a Trident cares about anything you said. These guys know the risks and they still go full throttle because they want it bad enough. Funny how the actual Frog Men never complain, but civilians as always wanna be self righteous heroes and suggest that their training needs to change lmfao. And as far as your question “Why would you want to lose more men in training than in combat?” Lmao are you serious? It’s pretty self explanatory. These guys are trained to such a high level that they very rarely get killed by enemy gun fire. It’s much better to fail in practice than in an actual game.
@@moparman2384 1. Where did I ever say training needs to be changed? 2. How would having appropriate medical care available be a negative thing? 3. Why would you compare combat to a video game? 4. How does having proper medical care on standby take away anything from training? 5. Do you really think there’s never room for any improvement? Not even having proper medical staff in situations like training?
Archaic? I was in BUD/S. We had an ambulance follow us around EVERYWHERE. We had doctors on site at our tiny small base. What more can be done than basically being followed around by a hospital?
Did you make it? I got screwed out of my opportunity to even attend pre BUD/S back in 2014. Accepted a discharge once I found out I wasn’t going to be able to go.
people die in hospitals. He could have quit anytime in Hell Week by ringing the bell. You know your body knows bests when it tells you you are in danger. 99.9% of the other Seals didn't die. so that means is not the training. It was his lungs.
You are training the best of the best, the 1% of the 1%. Training does not need to change because this is how you separate who is capable of the job or not.
Wow how misleading, if you listen to the Commander on the Shawn Ryan show he will tell you exactly what happened and why. No mention of the PEDs that were used by the candidate and found in his vehicle. Take a listen to the podcast, it paints a totally different story. Nothing against the candidate who died either, I am sure he thought he was doing whatever he could to be the best. RIP
Until I see some evidence of actual negligence or failure of protocol, this is just BUDs. It’s one of the hardest selection pipelines in the world and it doesn’t care what college football team you played for.
There is a 200 page report with some redactions. Feel free to read it. This sequence is bad... - Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair. - There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation - When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course. Excerpt from a news article: Fifty-eight members of Mullen's class of SEAL candidates started Hell Week - just 21 finished. By Thursday of Hell Week, Mullen was in what one of his classmates called "full messed up mode," coughing up dark fluid but unwilling to seek medical attention for fear he would be dropped from the course. Twice in the closing hours of Hell Week he was pulled from training and administered oxygen. Once he had to ride from one location to another in an ambulance. After he completed Hell Week, Mullen and the other trainees were given physical exams and sent to their barracks to recover. Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair. There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation. When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course. By the time someone finally called 911, it was too late to save Mullen.
@@jhp9621 Every SEAL has said it time and time again. BUDs is nothing compared to the real world operations that SEALs are expected to carry out. SEAL team 6 member Nelson Miller said that he’s been more cold, more sick, more scared and more exhausted while deployed in combat then anything he experienced in BUDs. That program is just small gut check and a taste of what the job is. This young man was not the the 1st to die in SEAL training and he sadly he won’t be the last. Danny DelBianco was 24 when he rang the bell at BUDs and quit, hours later he walked off a ledge on the 22nd floor of a Marriott hotel and killed himself. It was the same report then as well. Why didn’t anyone check up on him?
@@joesgotya9930 I don't disagree with the idea that combat is much worse, nor do I disagree with the idea of phase 1 of bud/s being a gut check, still I just don't see how that is relevant to Kyle's death, since he had a big enough heart to get pass hell week, Danny choose to kill himself though unfortunate, has nothing to do with negligence.
And then they found out Kyle along with other candidates was taking PEDs and apparently other unknown drugs. They have had dealers giving them. Apparently the mother didn’t want drugs being a factor in his death, and she didn’t want him to be known as a cheater. Lots of false documentation or just ignored evidence from NCIS. If you want to hear his side of the story, Shawn Ryan Show #124 is what you wanna listen to. A good 5hr ep where you can hear everything vs a quick 3-4min clip.
@Mikegar_90 have you been watching the news, multiple people has died complaining they was sick and ignored it. There are no major wars going on so like I said they don’t care
As a leader you can always delegate authority, but at the end of the day, the burden of the result is your responsibility. Regardless of a perfect storm, there needs to be precautions and constant monitoring implemented into this training especially considering the level of physical output combined with the duration. Adding onto this, his teammates should have seen the medical issues and done the right thing which would have been to report the issues and to seek medical attention for Kyle immediately. I personally think that, although I've never been through the training myself, that every man around him has failed as a teammate and as a SEAL candidate because they left him out to dry, and left a man behind.
I don't understand blaming Geary, do you think this dude was on the beach when this going down? He's an executive officer at a desk, not a member of the instructor cadre.
That’s how the military works lol. People at the top preach accountability until they have to be accountable for something. Accountability is only for the lower enlisted.
the captain of the ship holds the responsibility of everything and anything that happen in a ship, I believe it holds true to that scenario aswell. During the perfect storm someone dropped the ball, that someone is under your supervision (as the highest ranked officer in the camp) you are also held liable. That comes in the territory.
Maybe us lay person do not understand how your bud/s work. Enlighten us. Because as a lay person, i would assume that the person one above you holds responsibility over you.
@@erickveos You want to understand it, join and work hard enough to earn the privelage to command and elite unit. It is a high risk profession. This story is a bullshit distraction which doesnt even come close to highlighting the professionalism & difficulty of the training.
He signed up for it, the toughest training on the planet and it was his choice alone. If you want to make our warriors weak, then change the training and demasculinize them which makes the citizenry weak. It was a tragedy, a perfect storm and unfortunately it happens. The pain of regret is heavier than the pain of discipline . I would rather die in Navy Seal training than live knowing I never tried at all. RIP Kyle Mullen you will not be forgotten and you didn't quit, you didn't lay down your helmet! Never quit! RIP
@richie1720 oh but it needs to he and his mother are still dragging the people not responsible for his death. This Captain was falsely accused of something he did not do so is the medical doctor that cleared him. You see Kyle is still dragging them unfairly so how many years after the fact. And his mother is just looking for another payday. I absolutely hate people like this. Kyle maybe dead but this people are paying an unfair price.
You can’t blame the commander. He has a personal life to tend to as well. Unless he was there and it happened nah. He can’t force his leaders to do the proper thing 24/7. They know the rules. They have to follow them
Read the report's key recommendations - it was not the toughness of the training, it was the fact that there were no EMT assets on site when a candidate needed medical treatment. If they could get to him immediately, he could have been treated and saved. The Commander is responsible for this - he should be charged for negligent manslaughter.
No way the commander should be charged with manslaughter. The Navy has been running this school for decades and, from what I read, 11 men have died while in Buds. I am very sorry that Mrs Mullen lost her son. It should never have happened. But it did. Going in, they know the risks. But if these candidates are anything like me when I was young, I felt immortal.
“The mothers of America are ruining the military” as my DI once said when he got a letter from a mom telling him to not be so hard on her son in boot camp…..he (her son) got his ass kicked on the quarter deck that night 🤣
I understand that this mother wants someone to blame for losing her son, but this is not on the commander. That training is intense for a reason, and every man who joins knows the risks and accepts them. It's awful that a man lost his life, but seals are some of the toughest on the planet, and there's a reason that not everyone chooses to join.
he lost his life because doctors and instructors refused to treat his pneumonia at the end of hell week. they also ordered his companions not to call 911. the percentage of candidates who become seals has always been 30%. the percentage dropped to 10% with the new command instructors present when this boy died.
They were- and literally across the proverbial street. Kyle turned down medical three times because he was riding dirty. He was witnessed taking drugs after last med check (Seals don’t die after med check- for 70 years they know this). Taking drugs with an enlarged heart changed the calculus on this. No doctor could have anticipated he was going to load up afterwards. He died of his own misadventure.
“He lets makes this training for the most dangerous and elite job safer so it does replicate the real world physical and mental stress these guys will go through” - some dumb person that lives under a rock
If Navy SEAL training wasn't dangerous and didn't bring many to the edge of death- it wouldn't be adequate. Danger and intensely physical training is absolutely neccessary to produce dangerous and physically capable warfighters at an elite level. Tragic death yes, and if safety cam be increased without dumbing down or lowering the training standard- all for it. But lets not make our military weaker to appease mothers of America. I say this as a Marine and father of 4. I only hope that my kids enter the military someday, but not if they continue to lower the standards of training, leaving them vulnerable because they are not properly trained to handle what us required of of military from time to time
All true. But if he hadn’t been taking the illegal drugs he was witnessed taking with his enlarged heart- he might still be alive. If you’re going to bite the bullet on this training- don’t add drugs to the mix.
This is sad, these men push through what they are given with but they have supervision for a reason. The instructors are in charge and there is no reason to prevent medical care. We lost a young man for no good reason. Train as hard as u like but don’t kill ‘em. Praying for them all today.
He was taking steroids, the reason this is what it is is because they are looking for a pay out and they won’t get it if they deem it steroids. Watch the Shaun Ryan interview he explains more
His mother should know that her son made the decision to go through one of the hardest programs the military has to offer and that the pipeline is the way it is for very important reasons..
I hope they find what caused this perfect storm to where this man passed away. As a civilian i cant speak for how the service members feel. I dont think making training into these special forces easier would be a good idea though. All military undergo good training. But the training they do for the Army Rangers, The Green Berets, The Navy Seals, The Marine Marsoc and Recon. Is not for everybody. Those are exceptional men and women. They are trained for the absolute worst case scenarios because they sent into the worst case scenarios. Those who makenit into those teams are very proud to have made it and i hold alot of respect for them. I think making the training easier would be a disrespect to them, and hinder the United States as a military power. But i also think we need serious change, aid, help, and care for the switch of Military life to Civilian. There should be no excuse why a Service member should be homeless, or have no helpnfor their physical or mental issues. Period.
Listen this is tragic it really is man I pray for his family and his loved ones who are grieving probably still to this day but this is the risk you take in training to become a Navy SEAL... We cannot change and make Navy SEAL training easier because of something like this happening you just can't do that The job and the training that is required to do the job has to be this intense and rigorous or when it's time to put this training and the skills to the test the candidates or the seals will not be ready physically, mentally, and so on and then the death rate of seals will drastically increase not from training but from actual combat... I'm sorry there's just certain jobs where you know the risk and you have to acknowledge it and not be afraid of it I mean this is the Navy seals we're talking about these are our strongest special unit arguably and the guys that we trust as Americans to defend our country... Of course with other special forces in the entire military but specifically the Navy seals most people have come to know as the most badass military unit we have or at least one of I don't want to downplay any of the other special forces units from the other branches because they're just as badass But in summation the training cannot change this has to stay as rigorous as we can make it
Captain Geary is one of the finest Americans we have, leave this man and his program alone. We need people like the Captain more than you can ever imagine. Mullen should've rang the bell, he pushed his body, he is responsible for himself. Mullens mother needs to stop trying to investigate, we don't need ANYONE in the rest of this world to know what is involved in making the finest SEAL teams in the world.
The lack of compassion is quite disgusting. The training is what its supposed to be but they clearly do not give these guys the medical attention they need to survive it.
Kyle's Mom wants to place blame for SIPE and Pneumonia on the Command but SIPE and Pneumonia are part of BUD/S. Who would she blame if Kyle died in a helo crash, which is also part of the job. Would she blame Kyle if he had made it and killed some other mother's son? Becuase that's what he was there to do. Brad Geary seems like a stand up guy for speaking up against the report. That report was mostly bullshit. Taking the fundamental design of training and re-characterizing it as "some bad leaders let everything good we the Navy built go off the rails."
If they change the training they wont get the same type of operators ... its tragic but the guys know what the training is going into it. The guy writing this report was made into what he is and capable of because of the training and screening they go through. It was one guy , not something that happens hardly ever. Guys in the army, airforce and marine spc ops training go through similar types of physical stress if not worse.
He had been through multiple med checks. Seals don’t die after the last med check (true for 70 years now). Kyle was witnessed taking drugs- a risk factor that the doctors couldn’t have anticipated. Check out the Shawn Ryan Interview- exposes so much.
Everyone knows navy seals are the most elite and respected branch they are the ones who go on missions every one else can’t do so ofc the training is no fucking joke at all
what can they do? they have to make the training hard, they want the top 1% of the 1%. I think the reason they have things like hell week is because they very well could end up in one of these situations during an operation, drifted out on a beach, wet, sandy, cold, for days..
I understand, the standards need to be extremely high to maintain the advantage. But there is a fine line between training someone to be badass and completely ignoring medical conditions. I believe they often dismiss real medical conditions as "being a p*s$y" why not just send the sick or injured men home and tell them to try again next year when they are healthy.
I find it probably inaccurate there wasn’t med personnel around. Electrolyte imbalance alone can be deadly. Rhabdo can definitely happen in these guys and blow out the kidneys. Pneumonia in anyone can be deadly. They have to have medical teams around.
Yeah. It’s bullshit. He had been through multiple med checks. (Seals don’t die after last med check for 70 years now). The witnesses to the fact he loaded up with drugs after that last check become real pertinent at this point in the conversation. The medical staff could not anticipate the risk he was about to expose himself to. And if you’ve seen the commercials you know you can’t mix generic Viagra with an enlarged heart. Lethal combo.
Really sad R.I.P. 🙏😇❤️. I can’t even comprehend how tough navy seal training must be, but it’s the way it is for a reason it cannot be changed it’s the elite if the elite. The death is not the instructors fault, its a very terrible tragedy.
That person should have put his ego aside and told his instructors he needed to get checked out something’s wrong but the instructors won’t know if someone is having medical trouble if it’s not brought to her attention
Medical is fine. He needed psychic to tell medical he was going to take drugs after the last med check. They couldn’t anticipate the risk he was going to expose himself to.
It is tragic for sure but I don't blame the Navy. If however there was a significant amount of Navy SEAL recruits dying on a daily or weekly basis then, sure the Navy is doing something excessive to cause all of these deaths. You know the risks going in and although I was not a Navy SEAL, I served in the US Army and you learn about the risks from your recruiter, at MEPS, from your Drill Sgts, from your NCO's and so on.
Tragic yes absolutely yes, but there is a reason why it is some of the hardest training on the planet. From all the studying and podcast I have listen to. It’s very rare one graduates injury free. I am afraid some do people pass away. Important note: Many don’t report illnesses or injuries for fear of being dropped or rolled over into another class.
Youngmen are bigger and stronger and more athletic than ever nowadays. Why are they suddenly struggling so badly with this training. Thats what I want to know.
There had always been a low success rate for candidates to get through tier 1 selection and training….not all men are built for it and they aren’t supposed to be .
Not a good look when someone dies on your watch. Unfortunately as the one in charge he is responsible. Since the training is so dangerous it would be a good idea to have expert medical care available around the clock.
Negative ghost rider. If the candidate is committing felonies on his free time, is never caught and one of them results in his death - that’s not on the Captain. This world needs to understand the concept of personal accountability.
If you lower the standards for training anymore, the seals that snitched on chief Eddie Gallagher on war crimes for trumped up charges are going to to be more plentiful. Weak seals that complain are not needed for hard times. A less than 1% death rate during training for seals is still a success to me.
It’s tragic but the training cannot change. There is a reason the navy seals are the elite war fighters in the world. Do not make the navy soft, continue to harden. America needs these men.
The training doesn’t have to change. The real question is why would you have life threatening training and still not have the appropriate medical care on standby knowing full well that the situation could be harmful? That is what should be changed. Why was there not properly organized medical staff for these situations? Especially when it’s training.
They have plenty of medical staff and the candidates are very closely watched in buds , what you don’t understand is that when they get to the teams they will experience harder training with much much less observation so they have to be able to get thru no matter what because there’s no one to save them when there on the teams by themselves not in a student environment that’s closely observed. Plus there’s more to this that candidate was found with some kinds of steroids or something similar of some sort that would cause fluid to build in his lungs even more .
This isn't softening them up. The report on the medical support being insufficient is why this sailor is now tragically dead. Not everything is a culture war. Navy Special Warfare Command must do better.
@@mgoboski what culture?
@@anthonyprice8389 I guess he was referring to the culture of forging the best warriors on planet earth forgetting to put in place proper medical staff if needed. It's called 3rd degree murder same as when you are totally drunk and you kill someone, with criminal negligence, while driving.
Let’s not forget that Captain Geary found PED’d in his car and the medical examiner found the heart of Mullen to be enlarged by 63%
Geary was in buds class 234. He was in the documentary quite a bit. Great leader and guy.
That’s so funny I just found the doc on the streaming service Tubi and started bing watching. Seeing him and the training I think it sucks that a man lost his life but the training is amazing and they need to keep it the same. The risks are known before they even start.
I thought I recognized him 😂 I used to watch the documentary all the time when I was about to get my SO contract
@@hnlong8531 Did you get the contract?
Nope, I got an autoimmune disorder called gad 65 autoimmune encephalitis and almost died and had to medically retire.
Holy shit...I just watched the 4 hour documentary today on class 234 and thought this guy looked familiar. Thanks for pointing that out.
WTF. It’s supposed to be dangerous and push your body and mind to the limit.
But, they should have medical personnel nearby.
They should get someone in that condition to a hospital, and gets labs and X-rays done. That is only the beginning.
@@McDago100 Lots of people fail out of BUDS due to injuries. My brother passed on the first time, but a few of his buddies had go through again due to injuries. (Hell Week is near the beginning of the training.)
If you read the details, it's pretty bad. Dude pushed through Hell Week, but died afterwards.
Fifty-eight members of Mullen's class of SEAL candidates started Hell Week - just 21 finished. By Thursday of Hell Week, Mullen was in what one of his classmates called "full messed up mode," coughing up dark fluid but unwilling to seek medical attention for fear he would be dropped from the course. Twice in the closing hours of Hell Week he was pulled from training and administered oxygen. Once he had to ride from one location to another in an ambulance.
After he completed Hell Week, Mullen and the other trainees were given physical exams and sent to their barracks to recover. Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair.
There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation. When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course. By the time someone finally called 911, it was too late to save Mullen.
“But”
Medical has nothin to do with it
This Captain told the whole story on the Shawn Rayn show. Go and listen you will be amazed. Kyle was clear nothing wrong but the illegal drugs he was using caused his death.
Dont change the training, increase the medics and corpsman surrounding the training
I agree. This death was a real tragedy.
The thing is Geary changed the training.
@@grospipo20Bullshit.
Med staff is fine.
He was witnessed taking illegal drugs afterwards (at a point no seal had died in training for 70 years- they aren’t screwing around with the medical out there).
Those drugs took out his enlarged heart.
My heart goes out to the family. Thos was a tragic accident. However, the tuff rigorous standards should never be lowered. The Medical Department should be held accountable for there lack of proper care and attention.
It's sad that the young fella lost his life.
The American Navy Seals are the best in the world because of their extremely taxing selection process.
I am sure they and the family are extremely heart broken about the loss of the late gentleman's life.
He could still be alive if he did not use illegal performance enhanced drugs the ugly truth.
Why does this GMA clip not mention the PEDs found in Kyle Mullen's car?
A can of Redbull?
@@David-c9o1k not according to Brad Geary’s interview on the Shawn Ryan Show. It’s fair to question B. Geary’s account given his involvement, but solid journalism should at least address the claims of PEDs and allow the viewers to judge for themselves
@@David-c9o1k nope, not victim blaming at all. What happened is terrible and sad. But it’s unacceptable that folks call for changes to the Navy SEAL’s training “institution” without having all aspects of this tragedy broadly discussed.
@@danieleshbach6711 His case is still ongoing. He shouldn't be talking about any of this. It's all going to be used against him.
Clip was a year ago, it was before the investigation was completed
The mom is why they don't have female seals
😂
As tragic as this situation was, this is what the training IS!!!! In fact, the NSW website that overviews BUDS specifically notes that there is a chance of death during training. Also, it is my understanding that there are also deaths attributed during the ongoing training exercises once you become a SEAL. It is the nature of the business. God bless these warriors who voluntarily put it all on the line for their country. Our country NEEDS people like these men!!!
Theres more training even after graduation??????
@@amirijeans8450BUD/S is just the entry level training/selection process. After that you attend SQT (Seal qualification training) which is roughly 14 weeks, then airborne school which you can still be kicked from the program in that time. Then once you get to your team you have several months to a year or so of additional training under the guise of you team who can recommend you be dropped yet again from the teams. And that’s just for the white side teams. If you try to augment to the tier 1 element that’s another 9 month training pipeline
Navy seal captain went through the same training
They are navy seals the most Elite soldiers with the hardest training, he knew what he was getting himself into along with all the other candidates that join they’ll tell you that themselves 💯
They are not the most elite with the most hardest training lmao. If yes then send them to your failed wars
Name a better team then definitely not from whatever country your from lmao
@@gustv5789 you've never served so you wouldn't know + no one would actually know anyways + navy seals are basically a meme at this point "oh just send some boats with navy seals on them" they wrote 473837 books about it already , the truth is they're just frogmen just like Russian frogmen or Danish frogmen units , not some hyperversetalite supersoldier elite unit , the FFL is probably better
They are elite but not the most elite in the USA 🇺🇸. To the other posts, service our country and you will learn.
@@allendaoust5844 they're not the most elite in the US military let alone in the world , I don't get all the media hype around them they're just frogmen , civilians love the seals
Sounds like the recruit knew what he was getting into. It's called Hell Week for a reason. Capt. Geary not only served for 20+ years in the military, received the Stockdale award for leadership excellence, and also produced high-quality Seals during the height of Covid? Sounds like an excellent leader to me, but he was thrust into an extremely unfortunate situation, which looks like it'll tank his hard-earned career. My heart goes out out him
Capt Geary will continue his life.
The young Seal will never see his 25th birthday.
@@thomassawicki2065 And he knew the risk when he made the choice to become a SEAL...Harsh but true.
@@thomassawicki2065you act like it’s Commanders fault that he died when that’s not the case.
@@thomassawicki2065 also left out is that candidates can quit at any time, they ring the bell then get sent home.
@@thomassawicki2065he's also a convicted rapist
My heart goes out to the family of that young man for their loss, but the standards are set for a reason and unlike the Army which has weakened their standards to allow women to graduate Ranger School, these young men have to be able to overcome many obstacles in the combat environment, many of which the civilian population will never understand.
I didn't know women could graduate Ranger School!!!!!! That sends a chill down my spine. The leadership HAS TO KNOW that women operating in combat in a Ranger capacity WILL COST LIVES. You are absolutely right that the civilian population doesn't understand the grotesque, morbid, traumatic and fatally toxic environment of war. There's so much information out there about Rangers and their battlefield experiences that should CLEARLY illustrate why women SHOULD NOT BE RANGERS. I'm almost 50 years old so my opinion is outdated, but I still believe women SHOULD NOT be in combat either. They just aren't biologically designed to fight in any type of infantry unit or forward area.
@@jeff0247598 100% correct. Those woke idiots in the Pentagon have zero clue. I am just a little older than you, but when I was in Afghanistan (2008-2009) we had two women fly up to our COP in the mountains and you could smell their perfume from a mile away. Every kid in my section perked up. I remember telling my command how bad of an idea it was to send those ladies up to our position, but it was beyond their control. There are so many poor leaders within the Army and I am sure that goes for all branches, but they just don't use their brains.
Yes it's disgusting that the Army has weakened the Ranger School Standards so much, to also include a double standard, one for women and one for men. I am sure this was a push from Obama because he is all about destroying America.
Just cause Ranger school allows Females doesn’t mean they lowered their standards. Many still don’t even volunteer. & “Rasp” is the real elite Army Ranger school
He was training to be a bad motherfuccer, he knew the risks, it’s unfortunate all around
Dying isn't part of the training, the risks were not from training, it's from medical negligence.
tell me you know nothing of the brotherhood without actually saying it. If you're child was being held hostage in some shithole half way around the world you don't want some transgender soft, jelly belly dipshit going in to get them out. you'd want men like this. It's not for everyone. It's a different kind of man. Just say thank you and order another latte.@@jhp9621
If the risk is dying shouldn’t there be check points involved that prevent this. Is it too much to ask to have better medical onsite?
Do not change this training. We need tough capable men to fight Americas justifiable battles.
The thing is no war, except WW2, was justifiable.
Surprised there isn't more medical complaints considering the insane stories you hear the Seal recruits have to endured for 6 weeks.
People shouldn’t be taking steroids and do buds. They get injury or death.
True, but they know this ahead of time. But I do agree there should be medical staff on the base as they're training.
BUDS is longer than 6 weeks.
BUD/S is six months split into three phases. Hell Week is the third week of 1st phase.
Medical has nothin to do with it
This man needs to be secretary Navy.
I feel horrible for Kyle and his family, but I can't help but think if he was here he'd be embarrassed by his mother's actions. Everyone knows what the deal is with spec ops programs. Rest assured Kyle knew it and wanted it. You don't make it through without it being everything to you. They go through the most rigorous training on the planet and they know that going in. They know they will be walking that knife edge between safety and superiority. He could have quit at any time he wanted. He was a badass and he didn't. He is a stud and a hero. The training is hard because hard men are what is required at the tip of the spear. He is a better, tougher, and stronger man than 99.9% of the population and you are tainting the memory of your son. Please think about your son's legacy. He worked and sacrifice too much for you to cheapen it. I'm sorry for your loss. My heart bleeds for you.
BUDS is designed to be tough, and have a high attrition rate. The training has to insure there is safety, as 75-90% of these very fit candidates will not make it through. If "lungs are abnormal, and there is swelling in legs, get the person to a hospital. When at a hospital get labs done, X-rays of the lungs, and find out why are the legs swollen. Swollen legs? Is it cellulitis (skin infection), acute heart failure (can happen if there are severe lung problems) kidney problems ? I have no issue with the toughness that SpecOps go through. The training Americans go through is more humane than what the British go through. Have all the utmost respect for British spec ops by the way. Safety has to a concern foremost, and accountability needs to be there also.
Amen
Absolutely....full battery of medical tests to be done before resuming training and afterwards, if cleared, closely monitored with lung checks and 02 sat levels.
It would be great if he said, “as the commander I’m 100% responsible. We took every measure possible, known to us at the time, that were proven to be successful for all of our prior BUD/S classes. Our past successes made us think the medical measures were adequate for the health and safety of our SEAL candidates. Clearly in this student’s case, those measures were not adequate. This tragedy has shown a light on a blind spot that we did not foresee prior this to tragedy. We are taking steps to improve the medical care to ensure this never happens again.”
His answer was probably written by military lawyers before the interview to protect him and the Navy. It sounded canned to me, like he memorized it.
@@kdubyaw3246Most definitely. Government jobs number one rule is to never admit to anything.
The reporter asked stupid questions by saying “is there anyone you blame” what the hell does that mean, no Navy SEAL is going to oust an active duty seal by name dropping them.
She's asking the real questions out there but you love to defend the criminals
Some people will just never understand that more SEALs die in training than in combat. That's the reality folks.
They don’t die in training they quit it’s that simple.
@@haileycook9860 They die aswell. More men have died in BUD/S than they have in combat.
The training doesn’t have to change. The question is why is there no appropriate medical care on standby, especially for training? Why would you want to lose more lives during training than in combat?
Are they dying from training or are they actually dying from lack of proper medical attention? If so, is that avoidable? Can we optimize training more people without losing more people?
It’s also terrible for morale. Why would your men fight for you, when you don’t even fight for them to get appropriate medical care? They are risking their lives and should be getting at least appropriate medical care during training. That’s like the basic necessity for life threatening situations.
The training does not need to change at all. It’s how can they improve? Do they have good leadership if they can’t recognize when there needs to be improvement? Is it okay for leaders to hold others accountable, yet not hold themselves accountable?
Is it as one dimensional as people dying? Or can you still have intense training and include appropriately organized medical care on standby? These are realities that people should consider if they want to truly improve every aspect of having “better” training. There are much more nuanced solutions, than just this is what it is.
@@Oasis-StormbornNobody who wants to earn a Trident cares about anything you said. These guys know the risks and they still go full throttle because they want it bad enough. Funny how the actual Frog Men never complain, but civilians as always wanna be self righteous heroes and suggest that their training needs to change lmfao. And as far as your question “Why would you want to lose more men in training than in combat?” Lmao are you serious? It’s pretty self explanatory. These guys are trained to such a high level that they very rarely get killed by enemy gun fire. It’s much better to fail in practice than in an actual game.
@@moparman2384 1. Where did I ever say training needs to be changed? 2. How would having appropriate medical care available be a negative thing? 3. Why would you compare combat to a video game? 4. How does having proper medical care on standby take away anything from training? 5. Do you really think there’s never room for any improvement? Not even having proper medical staff in situations like training?
Was Geary in 234? Man was a bad ass during training.
I got a friend who went through SEAL training, he said a lot of people get sick and bad but get taken care of almost immediately
he died from drug overdose
@@FTFSupremacyROBLOX who
@@GabrielRuiz702 Kyle
Archaic? I was in BUD/S. We had an ambulance follow us around EVERYWHERE. We had doctors on site at our tiny small base. What more can be done than basically being followed around by a hospital?
Did you make it?
I got screwed out of my opportunity to even attend pre BUD/S back in 2014. Accepted a discharge once I found out I wasn’t going to be able to go.
@@internet_internetHowd u get screwed out? Were u on Warrior challenge contract?
Dude should have been sent to a hospital immediately, not back to his barracks to die
people die in hospitals. He could have quit anytime in Hell Week by ringing the bell. You know your body knows bests when it tells you you are in danger. 99.9% of the other Seals didn't die. so that means is not the training. It was his lungs.
@@deathfire096and negative side effects from performance enhancing drugs
You are training the best of the best, the 1% of the 1%. Training does not need to change because this is how you separate who is capable of the job or not.
What about the PEDS found in his car and the COVID vaccine? News? Anything?
In process of legal discovery- finally.
I got a hunch about where they are going to trace that bottle of Viagra to.
Didn’t they find PED’s in this kid’s car?
And more
Wow how misleading, if you listen to the Commander on the Shawn Ryan show he will tell you exactly what happened and why. No mention of the PEDs that were used by the candidate and found in his vehicle. Take a listen to the podcast, it paints a totally different story. Nothing against the candidate who died either, I am sure he thought he was doing whatever he could to be the best. RIP
Until I see some evidence of actual negligence or failure of protocol, this is just BUDs. It’s one of the hardest selection pipelines in the world and it doesn’t care what college football team you played for.
He wasn't checked by medical after finishing the hell week, and died in his sleep, that's negligence. Dying isn't part of BUD/S.
There is a 200 page report with some redactions. Feel free to read it. This sequence is bad...
- Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair.
- There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation
- When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course.
Excerpt from a news article:
Fifty-eight members of Mullen's class of SEAL candidates started Hell Week - just 21 finished. By Thursday of Hell Week, Mullen was in what one of his classmates called "full messed up mode," coughing up dark fluid but unwilling to seek medical attention for fear he would be dropped from the course. Twice in the closing hours of Hell Week he was pulled from training and administered oxygen. Once he had to ride from one location to another in an ambulance.
After he completed Hell Week, Mullen and the other trainees were given physical exams and sent to their barracks to recover. Mullen was pronounced "fit to train" even though he had to be transported to the barracks in a wheelchair.
There were no medical personnel on hand in the barracks to keep Mullen or any of his classmates under observation. When he and three others started experiencing increased difficulty breathing, other sailors called the medical clinic and were told they could call 911 but they might end up being washed out of the course. By the time someone finally called 911, it was too late to save Mullen.
@@jhp9621 Every SEAL has said it time and time again. BUDs is nothing compared to the real world operations that SEALs are expected to carry out. SEAL team 6 member Nelson Miller said that he’s been more cold, more sick, more scared and more exhausted while deployed in combat then anything he experienced in BUDs. That program is just small gut check and a taste of what the job is. This young man was not the the 1st to die in SEAL training and he sadly he won’t be the last. Danny DelBianco was 24 when he rang the bell at BUDs and quit, hours later he walked off a ledge on the 22nd floor of a Marriott hotel and killed himself. It was the same report then as well. Why didn’t anyone check up on him?
@@joesgotya9930 I don't disagree with the idea that combat is much worse, nor do I disagree with the idea of phase 1 of bud/s being a gut check, still I just don't see how that is relevant to Kyle's death, since he had a big enough heart to get pass hell week, Danny choose to kill himself though unfortunate, has nothing to do with negligence.
@@jhp9621as long as your not saying the training should get easier then I can back you up.
There's an interesting symmetry of ABC showing training stock footage from Geary's very own BUD/S class 234
Your son was a cheater mrs mullen , he rolled the dice and lost .
Truth.
I wrote my congressional and y’all should to.
And then they found out Kyle along with other candidates was taking PEDs and apparently other unknown drugs. They have had dealers giving them.
Apparently the mother didn’t want drugs being a factor in his death, and she didn’t want him to be known as a cheater.
Lots of false documentation or just ignored evidence from NCIS.
If you want to hear his side of the story, Shawn Ryan Show #124 is what you wanna listen to. A good 5hr ep where you can hear everything vs a quick 3-4min clip.
Facts
They don’t care if you die, they don’t want excuses and when you tell them you sick they ignore you. There no dignity in that
@Mikegar_90 then someone says they sick they sick and not just let them die. This isn’t world war 2 or any major wars in us just minor ones.
Dying all for the military industrial complex. Sign me up!
@Mike Garcia yup. That’s it.
All candidates can ring out. It’s a total choice thing for each individual. Only 20% make it through.
(But, some dudes go through few times to pass.)
@Mikegar_90 have you been watching the news, multiple people has died complaining they was sick and ignored it. There are no major wars going on so like I said they don’t care
As a leader you can always delegate authority, but at the end of the day, the burden of the result is your responsibility. Regardless of a perfect storm, there needs to be precautions and constant monitoring implemented into this training especially considering the level of physical output combined with the duration. Adding onto this, his teammates should have seen the medical issues and done the right thing which would have been to report the issues and to seek medical attention for Kyle immediately. I personally think that, although I've never been through the training myself, that every man around him has failed as a teammate and as a SEAL candidate because they left him out to dry, and left a man behind.
The swollen legs were normal. Just how were they to know he was in mortal danger? Plus they had just gone 5 days themselves without any sleep.
I don't understand blaming Geary, do you think this dude was on the beach when this going down? He's an executive officer at a desk, not a member of the instructor cadre.
That’s how the military works lol. People at the top preach accountability until they have to be accountable for something. Accountability is only for the lower enlisted.
If I am not mistaken, this commander went through BUDS when they filmed that show
He did.
This is what happens when a generation that expects everything handed to them
meets training for the toughest job on the planet.
Yep. This right here.
What generation is the mother ? Lol She’s the one fighting
Mother is the same generation as the Seal commander
It’s one death in years?
@@get2it7 Yep
the captain of the ship holds the responsibility of everything and anything that happen in a ship, I believe it holds true to that scenario aswell. During the perfect storm someone dropped the ball, that someone is under your supervision (as the highest ranked officer in the camp) you are also held liable. That comes in the territory.
That comment comes from someone that has no knowledge or understanding of BUD/S. Some videos should have comments turned off for that exact reason.
Maybe us lay person do not understand how your bud/s work. Enlighten us. Because as a lay person, i would assume that the person one above you holds responsibility over you.
@@erickveos You want to understand it, join and work hard enough to earn the privelage to command and elite unit. It is a high risk profession. This story is a bullshit distraction which doesnt even come close to highlighting the professionalism & difficulty of the training.
Training can never change.
He was the scape goat
He signed up for it, the toughest training on the planet and it was his choice alone. If you want to make our warriors weak, then change the training and demasculinize them which makes the citizenry weak. It was a tragedy, a perfect storm and unfortunately it happens. The pain of regret is heavier than the pain of discipline . I would rather die in Navy Seal training than live knowing I never tried at all. RIP Kyle Mullen you will not be forgotten and you didn't quit, you didn't lay down your helmet! Never quit! RIP
0 empathy from you, ugh, American men.
The country is losing out on valuable citizens if the military causes unnecessary deaths in training.
I’m surprised they didn’t talk about the illegal steroid use. Did that have anything to do with it
Yes it's all coming out now. He was using illegal performance enhanced drugs that's why he died.
Yes
He's already died. No need to drag it further
@richie1720 oh but it needs to he and his mother are still dragging the people not responsible for his death. This Captain was falsely accused of something he did not do so is the medical doctor that cleared him. You see Kyle is still dragging them unfairly so how many years after the fact. And his mother is just looking for another payday. I absolutely hate people like this. Kyle maybe dead but this people are paying an unfair price.
@irmabritz4815 i stand corrected. I didn't know the full story of what happened.
You can’t blame the commander. He has a personal life to tend to as well. Unless he was there and it happened nah. He can’t force his leaders to do the proper thing 24/7. They know the rules. They have to follow them
Read the report's key recommendations - it was not the toughness of the training, it was the fact that there were no EMT assets on site when a candidate needed medical treatment. If they could get to him immediately, he could have been treated and saved. The Commander is responsible for this - he should be charged for negligent manslaughter.
No way the commander should be charged with manslaughter. The Navy has been running this school for decades and, from what I read, 11 men have died while in Buds. I am very sorry that Mrs Mullen lost her son. It should never have happened. But it did. Going in, they know the risks. But if these candidates are anything like me when I was young, I felt immortal.
The hardest military training in the world.....arrest my case
My Portuguese friend, the idiom is actually “I rest my case”
Brad Geary is in the class 234 documentary if you want to watch him go through BUDS and Hell Week back in the year 2000
“The mothers of America are ruining the military” as my DI once said when he got a letter from a mom telling him to not be so hard on her son in boot camp…..he (her son) got his ass kicked on the quarter deck that night 🤣
I feel for this leader, the tragic loss of this young man and his family.
Nobody said it was safe.
Was the candidate on PEDs?!?!?! May have pushed himself (via PEDs) too far??
It was most likely the very large, very illegal, very depleted bottle of generic Viagra in his car.
And his enlarged heart.
You can’t mix the two.
I understand that this mother wants someone to blame for losing her son, but this is not on the commander. That training is intense for a reason, and every man who joins knows the risks and accepts them. It's awful that a man lost his life, but seals are some of the toughest on the planet, and there's a reason that not everyone chooses to join.
he lost his life because doctors and instructors refused to treat his pneumonia at the end of hell week. they also ordered his companions not to call 911.
the percentage of candidates who become seals has always been 30%.
the percentage dropped to 10% with the new command instructors present when this boy died.
Just go back to 1960s course and training program. It's insane now.
Did you go through BUD/S in the 60’s?
Silly boys. Sacrificing your lives for rich industrialists. He was training to kill and she’s the victim??????
It's amazing how a dude died and they're like "nah his medical report was fine." Obviously fucking not.
Not the training but the medical staff. Should be 24/7 on-call and on point for this kind of training and post-training.
They were- and literally across the proverbial street.
Kyle turned down medical three times because he was riding dirty.
He was witnessed taking drugs after last med check (Seals don’t die after med check- for 70 years they know this).
Taking drugs with an enlarged heart changed the calculus on this.
No doctor could have anticipated he was going to load up afterwards.
He died of his own misadventure.
Every SEAL Team has a world class trained medic on it, they go to Army Medic school for one year.
Weird they didn't talk about the performance enhancing drugs hahaha
“He lets makes this training for the most dangerous and elite job safer so it does replicate the real world physical and mental stress these guys will go through” - some dumb person that lives under a rock
If Navy SEAL training wasn't dangerous and didn't bring many to the edge of death- it wouldn't be adequate. Danger and intensely physical training is absolutely neccessary to produce dangerous and physically capable warfighters at an elite level.
Tragic death yes, and if safety cam be increased without dumbing down or lowering the training standard- all for it. But lets not make our military weaker to appease mothers of America.
I say this as a Marine and father of 4. I only hope that my kids enter the military someday, but not if they continue to lower the standards of training, leaving them vulnerable because they are not properly trained to handle what us required of of military from time to time
All true.
But if he hadn’t been taking the illegal drugs he was witnessed taking with his enlarged heart- he might still be alive.
If you’re going to bite the bullet on this training- don’t add drugs to the mix.
This is sad, these men push through what they are given with but they have supervision for a reason. The instructors are in charge and there is no reason to prevent medical care. We lost a young man for no good reason. Train as hard as u like but don’t kill ‘em. Praying for them all today.
Nah.
We lost him because he took illegal drugs after the last med check.
He died of his own misadventure.
He was taking steroids, the reason this is what it is is because they are looking for a pay out and they won’t get it if they deem it steroids. Watch the Shaun Ryan interview he explains more
Agree
His mother should know that her son made the decision to go through one of the hardest programs the military has to offer and that the pipeline is the way it is for very important reasons..
Yeah, if he has abnormal lungs that isn't 'normal'
I hope they find what caused this perfect storm to where this man passed away. As a civilian i cant speak for how the service members feel. I dont think making training into these special forces easier would be a good idea though. All military undergo good training. But the training they do for the Army Rangers, The Green Berets, The Navy Seals, The Marine Marsoc and Recon. Is not for everybody. Those are exceptional men and women. They are trained for the absolute worst case scenarios because they sent into the worst case scenarios. Those who makenit into those teams are very proud to have made it and i hold alot of respect for them. I think making the training easier would be a disrespect to them, and hinder the United States as a military power. But i also think we need serious change, aid, help, and care for the switch of Military life to Civilian. There should be no excuse why a Service member should be homeless, or have no helpnfor their physical or mental issues. Period.
Watch that video and ask yourself if anything at that training is done for a sailor's "comfort."
Kyle would be extremely pissed if he could see his mother bashing the SEAL'S like she is! SMH!
Facts.
Easy solution, don't try it and you'll be fine. Forget that this training is for combat situations of elite level.
And definitely don’t take drugs if you do.
That mom should be ashamed of herself…. Its special forces. Next thing she’ll start asking for is the standards to go down…
Well- and knowing he bought the car to hide drugs in- she should have let that go a long time ago
@@tawanda34 agreed
& yeah the kind of performance enhancing drugs that can cause major issues.
It's supposed to be dangerous...
Listen this is tragic it really is man I pray for his family and his loved ones who are grieving probably still to this day but this is the risk you take in training to become a Navy SEAL... We cannot change and make Navy SEAL training easier because of something like this happening you just can't do that The job and the training that is required to do the job has to be this intense and rigorous or when it's time to put this training and the skills to the test the candidates or the seals will not be ready physically, mentally, and so on and then the death rate of seals will drastically increase not from training but from actual combat... I'm sorry there's just certain jobs where you know the risk and you have to acknowledge it and not be afraid of it I mean this is the Navy seals we're talking about these are our strongest special unit arguably and the guys that we trust as Americans to defend our country... Of course with other special forces in the entire military but specifically the Navy seals most people have come to know as the most badass military unit we have or at least one of I don't want to downplay any of the other special forces units from the other branches because they're just as badass But in summation the training cannot change this has to stay as rigorous as we can make it
Captain Geary is one of the finest Americans we have, leave this man and his program alone. We need people like the Captain more than you can ever imagine. Mullen should've rang the bell, he pushed his body, he is responsible for himself. Mullens mother needs to stop trying to investigate, we don't need ANYONE in the rest of this world to know what is involved in making the finest SEAL teams in the world.
The lack of compassion is quite disgusting. The training is what its supposed to be but they clearly do not give these guys the medical attention they need to survive it.
Kyle's Mom wants to place blame for SIPE and Pneumonia on the Command but SIPE and Pneumonia are part of BUD/S. Who would she blame if Kyle died in a helo crash, which is also part of the job.
Would she blame Kyle if he had made it and killed some other mother's son?
Becuase that's what he was there to do.
Brad Geary seems like a stand up guy for speaking up against the report. That report was mostly bullshit. Taking the fundamental design of training and re-characterizing it as "some bad leaders let everything good we the Navy built go off the rails."
A lot of misleading info in this piece
The training can not change. Maybe more pre-screening needs to happen so only Men and pristine health can/should participate.
If they change the training they wont get the same type of operators ... its tragic but the guys know what the training is going into it. The guy writing this report was made into what he is and capable of because of the training and screening they go through. It was one guy , not something that happens hardly ever. Guys in the army, airforce and marine spc ops training go through similar types of physical stress if not worse.
Go watch his Shawn Ryam Show interview. Lays out in detail what happened.
Why does this 24 year old look like he’s 44? Looks like a psyop to me
I thought they were doctors and medical personnel on standby in case something bad happened.
He had been through multiple med checks.
Seals don’t die after the last med check (true for 70 years now).
Kyle was witnessed taking drugs- a risk factor that the doctors couldn’t have anticipated.
Check out the Shawn Ryan Interview- exposes so much.
Mother is overcome by emotions
3:19 yes Regina He: Kyle. is responsible, he died from drug overdose.
Everyone knows navy seals are the most elite and respected branch they are the ones who go on missions every one else can’t do so ofc the training is no fucking joke at all
Lot of dying during training unfortunately becoming more common you see the black hawk crashes, etc.
Mostly parachuting, fast roping, and diving accidents. Some vehicle accidents in training also.
what can they do? they have to make the training hard, they want the top 1% of the 1%. I think the reason they have things like hell week is because they very well could end up in one of these situations during an operation, drifted out on a beach, wet, sandy, cold, for days..
I understand, the standards need to be extremely high to maintain the advantage.
But there is a fine line between training someone to be badass and completely ignoring medical conditions. I believe they often dismiss real medical conditions as "being a p*s$y" why not just send the sick or injured men home and tell them to try again next year when they are healthy.
I’m sure you never served in the military
I find it probably inaccurate there wasn’t med personnel around. Electrolyte imbalance alone can be deadly. Rhabdo can definitely happen in these guys and blow out the kidneys. Pneumonia in anyone can be deadly. They have to have medical teams around.
Yeah. It’s bullshit.
He had been through multiple med checks.
(Seals don’t die after last med check for 70 years now).
The witnesses to the fact he loaded up with drugs after that last check become real pertinent at this point in the conversation.
The medical staff could not anticipate the risk he was about to expose himself to.
And if you’ve seen the commercials you know you can’t mix generic Viagra with an enlarged heart.
Lethal combo.
Was on PEDs
Watch his Shawn ryan podcast
Bullshit. He took gear for long time I bet
Yeah. I agree. He came into the Navy with gynecomastia- pretty sure it’s related.
Really sad R.I.P. 🙏😇❤️. I can’t even comprehend how tough navy seal training must be, but it’s the way it is for a reason it cannot be changed it’s the elite if the elite. The death is not the instructors fault, its a very terrible tragedy.
That person should have put his ego aside and told his instructors he needed to get checked out something’s wrong but the instructors won’t know if someone is having medical trouble if it’s not brought to her attention
24 that is so young. RIP I hope they do have more medical attention if they're struggling during training .
Medical is fine.
He needed psychic to tell medical he was going to take drugs after the last med check.
They couldn’t anticipate the risk he was going to expose himself to.
It is tragic for sure but I don't blame the Navy. If however there was a significant amount of Navy SEAL recruits dying on a daily or weekly basis then, sure the Navy is doing something excessive to cause all of these deaths. You know the risks going in and although I was not a Navy SEAL, I served in the US Army and you learn about the risks from your recruiter, at MEPS, from your Drill Sgts, from your NCO's and so on.
Tragic yes absolutely yes, but there is a reason why it is some of the hardest training on the planet. From all the studying and podcast I have listen to. It’s very rare one graduates injury free. I am afraid some do people pass away.
Important note: Many don’t report illnesses or injuries for fear of being dropped or rolled over into another class.
Youngmen are bigger and stronger and more athletic than ever nowadays. Why are they suddenly struggling so badly with this training. Thats what I want to know.
Covid vaccine could of played a part in this possibly
There had always been a low success rate for candidates to get through tier 1 selection and training….not all men are built for it and they aren’t supposed to be .
The candidates involved were on performance enhancing drugs.
Not a good look when someone dies on your watch. Unfortunately as the one in charge he is responsible. Since the training is so dangerous it would be a good idea to have expert medical care available around the clock.
Negative ghost rider.
If the candidate is committing felonies on his free time, is never caught and one of them results in his death - that’s not on the Captain.
This world needs to understand the concept of personal accountability.
Everyone denies no one is truthful!
If you lower the standards for training anymore, the seals that snitched on chief Eddie Gallagher on war crimes for trumped up charges are going to to be more plentiful. Weak seals that complain are not needed for hard times. A less than 1% death rate during training for seals is still a success to me.
They're training special forces operator candidates, not dog walkers.