Tai Chi Sifu vs MMA Guys At Tai Chi Push Hands (Fixed Step)

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  • Did we finally find someone who understands Tai Chi? Here's Sifu Nico Alsup of 5 Elements Fitness in a fixed step Tai Chi push hands tournament. I picked these two matches because they show the difference in movement between a Tai Chi trained person and a standard MMA trained person. It is really cool watching how Nicholas Alsup moves in this push hands context! The first match was against Lainel Briones, a former MMA fighter and current brown belt in Jiu Jitsu. The second match was against Jason Bukich, a former MMA fighter and black belt in Jiu Jitsu. Yes, the footpads do have issues, and it's something I've told Jan and Jason about, so in the future if there are any more of these tournaments, that issue will hopefully be fixed (along with the use of raised footpads). Also, sometimes Sifu Nico goes by Sifu Niko, so you guys might find more videos of him by that name.
    0:00 Nico vs Lainel
    3:28 Nico vs Jason
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  • @sifuniko
    @sifuniko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    Thanks for the share! To address alot of the comments... I agree Push Hands alone will get you destroyed in a fight, you'd get your face punched and slammed on your face if you only do push hands haha but the purpose of push hands is to increase sensitivity, redirection, staying calm and developing good root and balance. This way of training is the long path, meaning learning this isn't advised if you want to fight right away or be aggressive. It's designed to build the skill sets you need to grapple without becoming to tense or confused with all the movement... It's a way to deeply embedd these skills because the forms are done slow and low and practiced constantly.
    I remember being taken to a jujitsu school with black belts and brown belts and no one could take me down, at that point I didn't know what else to do besides defend against takedowns which was neat I had the root and sensitivity to stop them. Since then I've been incorporating jujitsu/grappling. Its super important to understand that Taiji principles will give you the keys to adapt and flow within any format but also super important to understand you have to train other systems that solely focus fighting and combat if you wish to actually use Tai Chi to fight or grapple! Thanks everyone! 👍🏿👍🏿❣️

    • @matthewmele764
      @matthewmele764 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Very true, very excellent and I'm glad to see this on a channel that actually gets views.

    • @QuentinKLEau
      @QuentinKLEau ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Most people don't understand that pushing hands is a cooperative exercise in fact. In this video, good to see the mma fighters having taken this spirit (how come, surprised here?). The aim is to practise listening skill and adapt as quickly as possible. I would argue that the aim of pushing hands is to lose in fact (exaggerating here, I just want to stress that you learn more by losing), because we need to give ourselves a higher standard each time and accept our mistakes (losing)

    • @matthewmele764
      @matthewmele764 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@QuentinKLEau Well, any rule set is "cooperative" in a sense -- the degree to which push hands is cooperative depends on how you play it.

    • @QuentinKLEau
      @QuentinKLEau ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@matthewmele764 Yes and no. The rule set should be made to work on a taiji principle. Perfect pushing hands is very difficult, that's why if you are engaging with the desire of winning, 99.99% of the time you are working on no taiji principle, that's why pushing hands competition for winning is not really meaningful.

    • @user255
      @user255 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      _"I remember being taken to a jujitsu school with black belts and brown belts and no one could take me down ..."_
      BJJ? Under what rules?

  • @stephenthomas6871
    @stephenthomas6871 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I am a push hands instructor and taught at a MMA school. I taught my students push hands to add to their ju-jitsu training. The kids that combined ju-jitsu and push hands repeatedly won placed top 3 in the ju-jitsu tournaments. You learn from whatever works even if it is called shit, That is want my former instructor Lu Ping Zhang use to tell me.

    • @Azami0001
      @Azami0001 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro please teach me

  • @FightCommentary
    @FightCommentary  2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Jason, Jan, and Shifu Nico's accounts are in the video description. I texted Lainel to see if he has a channel that he wants me to share. Extended version on TheDojo that I'm uploading now too. Talk to you guys soon, you beautiful chi masters with 8 black belts and sixteen registered underground matches XDDD

    • @JansTaiChi
      @JansTaiChi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for posting this Jerry! Great times and great commentary.

  • @richardschafer7858
    @richardschafer7858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Good centering. Noticed how he just sunk straight down and grounded? Well done. All things have their place

    • @rollinOnCode
      @rollinOnCode 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no they don't! you have to wristlock everything ;)

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I worked a lot on my root!

  • @fenryl9822
    @fenryl9822 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    There are more people on this level of tai chi than you might think.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I would love to work with more! Let me know who you have in mind!

    • @fenryl9822
      @fenryl9822 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sifuniko I have been to free push hands gatherings in Berlin and exchanged with different schools a bit. One teacher called Giles Rosbander has some videos on TH-cam and my first hand impression would be that he operates on a similar level. I am not too shabby myself, but while I spar with real resistance a lot, I never participated in competitions.

    • @indefenceofthetraditionalma
      @indefenceofthetraditionalma ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sifuniko Where you ever aware of Dan Docherty? He sadly passed away this year. He had schools teaching his system all over Europe and the way you push hands reminds me so much of him.
      It’s the way we were taught back in the 90’s. There are still a lot of teachers that were under him but the only one I know of that, to my knowledge, pushed hands in the same way was Godfrey Dornelly who must now be in his late 50’s and (unfortunately for you) lives in the U.K.

    • @hanksimon1023
      @hanksimon1023 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sifuniko Are you aware of Ian Sinclair in Canada who has Sinclairmartialarts, and Sinclairinternalarts on TH-cam?

  • @cpa314
    @cpa314 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    not surprised at all, my BJJ teacher also does Taichi and the way he grapples just feels so different. It is definitely complimentary to a martial art like BJJ, freestyle wrestling,etc

  • @simoneriksson8329
    @simoneriksson8329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    No doubt the most impresive display of tai-chi grappling I have seen!

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Much appreciated! I have trained a lot to remain relaxed and redirect force!

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very good but there's others. See the videos" Tai chi vs.wrestling( maybe Greco Roman angle 1 shadow xu" and Tai vs.freestyle Wrestling 2 shadow xu ".

  • @J3Cho
    @J3Cho 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is one of the best example of ‘internal’ aspect of TMA.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you !!!

    • @cfG21
      @cfG21 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sifuniko can i ask what family of taichi you practice and lineage?

  • @wan1234567890
    @wan1234567890 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is the live application of vectoring as taught in physics. Nico uses just enough for to redirect oncoming force that does not disrupt his equilibrium as being acutely aware of the opponents equilibrium and add just enough force to make the opponent unbalance himself. This skill once mastered has good application in most wrestling arts. It provides efficiency, limits telegraph and almost an extra sensory to rely on.

  • @bigheadrhino
    @bigheadrhino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nico definitely the guy who stands in the moving bus without support.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +4

    • @cal.5081
      @cal.5081 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤣 oh man, I love this comment. That is the goal of my life 🤣

  • @squirrelbong
    @squirrelbong 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    This is incredibly interesting. I never really took tai chi seriously, but it's undeniable that it has some usefulness in the clinch.

    • @jehutymortis6603
      @jehutymortis6603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh you can pratice pam in Muay Thai.

    • @squirrelbong
      @squirrelbong 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jehutymortis6603 who's pam?

    • @jehutymortis6603
      @jehutymortis6603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@squirrelbong Clinch. Wrestling without attack on leg. Like the grco-roman style but with elbow and knee.

    • @user255
      @user255 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the use then? I have never seen fight situation where you cannot move your legs.

    • @dingosmith9932
      @dingosmith9932 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@user255 conserving energy, redirecting force, balance, strength training, sensitivity ... the list goes on. But really it's a training drill. Anyone who wants to compete in MMA needs to train MMA

  • @truther9021
    @truther9021 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    What most people don't realise, especially those in modern combat sports, is that Tai Chi is actually an ancient form of wrestling.

    • @1individeo
      @1individeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yes. Later it incorporated mongolian wrestling and a new martial art was born: Shuai Jiao.

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@1individeo shuai jaio is older than Tai chi. It goes back to saber tooth tiger times. It's 5000 years old.

    • @1individeo
      @1individeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@charlesbetancourt7337 not exactly. You mean Chiao Ti. Shuai Jiao is modern Chiao Ti. After incorporating Jiaodixi (mongolian wrestling) and mixing with a 5000 yo style of kung fu.

    • @matsuwd-emethdaath4002
      @matsuwd-emethdaath4002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1individeo is Shuai-Chiao the same thing as Shuai Jiao or a variant?

    • @1individeo
      @1individeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@matsuwd-emethdaath4002 yes. It is the same thing. It might differ on the way it is pronounced in different chinese provinces or different language. One may be mandarin wgile the other might be cantonese for exemple

  • @cz4138
    @cz4138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’ve been in tai chi 5 years now, 31 y.o. My instructor in his 70’s lets 3 of us push on him and doesn’t budge. Glad to hear you coming around a bit to the subject. BTW mma guy footpads are sliding because he is not dropping his weight correctly. He is pushing forward instead of dropping down. Extremely difficult after 5 years I can take hardly any push at all

    • @basteagui
      @basteagui ปีที่แล้ว

      please share a little bit of technical details with me, what i am doing is calmly dropping, using the force of the surface of a balloon around me and grounding and feeling their force and countering. should i be doing something with my breath? is there something specific you do with your arms? i use half clinch on my right arm and overhook to control their neck cause i am trying to bring this into more of a wrestling environment

  • @bovinicide
    @bovinicide ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for introducing me to Sifu Niko - what a dude!

  • @itzbebop
    @itzbebop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Man that was really cool. So rare to see actual applications of Tai chi

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 ปีที่แล้ว

      What application tho? This is the drill, not the application.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I appreciate it!

  • @dominiqueblock7143
    @dominiqueblock7143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great demo! I love how Nico has mastered his footwork, perfecting his stances and showing the importance of controlling your center mass, which is basic physics.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!!! I did a lot of root practice and relaxation under pressure!!!

    • @taichipandabat6153
      @taichipandabat6153 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sifuniko hahaha i know your secret brother....but i will not say on here hehe

  • @Skidouche
    @Skidouche 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    love that theyre having fun above all else

  • @andresortega2801
    @andresortega2801 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An ancient wrestling art that can function even in unstable grounds and environments really good for selfdefense.

  • @mrmantis84
    @mrmantis84 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That was a beautiful display of skill!! And respect between competitors! Thank you very much for sharing

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks a ton!

  • @matzerias
    @matzerias ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nikos movements look like drunken master meets robot dance. 😅
    He seems to have a humble, humorous and sympatic manner though impressive skills and focus.
    Thanks a lot for sharing and keep on practicing! 🙏🙂

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I Love My Art! Def love what it has done for me mentally, physically and spiritually!

    • @matzerias
      @matzerias ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sifuniko I like when I see other persons also going the whole way (Dao) of martial arts. Like you said, so enriching the life - mentally, physically and spiritually. Best regards! 🙏🙂

  • @unmessable12
    @unmessable12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Push hands alone will not make someone a great fighter, there's a reason why it's supposed to be an exercise rather than the whole point of training something like tai chi, but being as skilled as Nico is at it is very impressive.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      Much appreciated!!!

  • @LightGlyphRasengan
    @LightGlyphRasengan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Hey, just like kung fu people don't train for mma type fights. Mma guys don't quite have the same understanding of a center that Taichi guys do

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It's why we should all be learning from one another!!!

  • @thomasa.7737
    @thomasa.7737 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was so nice to see. Thank you for posting.

  • @fablecouvrette5334
    @fablecouvrette5334 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WOAH! okay I'm impressed, there's some serious efficacy here. I'd take some classes from this guy :o

  • @eylon1967
    @eylon1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    super interesting. each kind of combat sports is a kind og a game with its own peculiar non-sensical rules. yeh, even MMA. even BJJ and muai thai. this push hands fixed step ruleset seems interesting in the kind of sport it produces. i would love to see more

  • @BenCohenInternalWingChun
    @BenCohenInternalWingChun ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A fantastic video. I teach Wing Chun and practice Tai Chi but have also spent years boxing/kickboxing and grappling. Wing Chun and Tai Chi are not perfect combat styles, more ways of training the body "internally" that can be used in other styles. If you watch Nico move, he has a superb understanding of his own center of equilibrium and has extremely well developed sensitivity. This means he can perceive imbalance in his opponent before they can, and then use extremely soft energy to further disrupt it. This feels very weird to the opponent because Nico doesn't appear to be doing much, and the more they try, the more unbalanced they become. His opponents feel almost nothing when they try to push/pull, because Nico can disguise his center of equilibrium at will. It takes a long time to get good at this, but the effects are well worth it.

    • @thedoubtfuls
      @thedoubtfuls ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea i think few here understood what u said

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've actually seen this done to a good judo guy in a takedown contest in the kungfu school I used to go to. It's a real ability.Hope to see ore.

    • @dagaffer2269
      @dagaffer2269 ปีที่แล้ว

      WTF is this crap? Anybody can do this with a bit of practice. Its a skill that you can learn without practicing that ridiculous form or any chi gung bullshido. Beating guys that haven't practiced this, doesn't prove anything.

  • @EliteBlackSash
    @EliteBlackSash ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This inspired me to go back and watch one of my favorite videos online, Tuishou Chen with Marcelo Garcia

  • @kevinlobos5519
    @kevinlobos5519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Beautifull skill Nico has there, if he were to add striking and actual grappling into that ability to recognize where the force of his oponent is going and what to do with it, and it would be a very usefull tool for fighting.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank you! I practice jujitsu and spar quite often! Using Tai Chi has helped my sensitivity and ability to flow and move!

    • @TheJadekungfu
      @TheJadekungfu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I agree, it help me alot conserving energy doing takedowns when I was competing in Sanda.

    • @Offpuddingok
      @Offpuddingok ปีที่แล้ว

      Niko has been using these pads and knows how to balance himself on those pads from just training on them. If you practice with a tool you get better at it. Nothing special.

  • @ezman001
    @ezman001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I've noticed something interesting when Nico begins every round, he finds his own center of gravity or bends his knees to stabilize himself and can easily redirect any energy coming his way, or that's what it seems like to me.

    • @cz4138
      @cz4138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Tai chi is entirely about centering yourself and rooting to the ground. With this and Correct posture and using your entire body simultaneously(picture like a snake) generates fulcom leverage that can’t be replicated by muscle. I love this stuff

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes! You've got it!

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cz4138 I LOVE THIS TOO! Dedicated a life time to this!

  • @tacline2
    @tacline2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bet you anything that Nico is a dancer. His movement, the jerky, rhythmic bobbing and swaying he is doing looks so much to me like those awesome dance videos you see on TH-cam front page all the time. It looks very hip-hop influenced and is basically the epitome of "be like water". In a lot of ways, his movement also reminds me of those videos of birds keeping their head totally stable to spot prey while their body is bobbing all over the place, or those videos of the little birds dancing on the ground (to lure out prey) while their head stays stationary. It looks so natural when shown this way. He has such masterful control of his body and balance.

  • @hysterical5408
    @hysterical5408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like this concept, it looks like a fun thing to do.

  • @clacicle
    @clacicle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Fixed step push hands means you can’t take a step. The fact that these pads are not connected to the ground, means that if you resist too much, you will slide too away. Furthermore, if you lockup and resist too much in one direction, a good Taiji practitioner will recognize that and unbalance you.

    • @user-do2tn9ci8t
      @user-do2tn9ci8t ปีที่แล้ว

      This is just to show you very lightly

    • @user-mn8tz4nf2s
      @user-mn8tz4nf2s ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel like they rigged the mma guys foot pads to slide more than the black foot pads, shouldn't they both be sliding?

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-mn8tz4nf2s What about the other matches with the same footpads where Nicco wasn't competing. This was a competition, of a thousand dollars for the winner. You have to watch the whole thing. There was also jui juitsu ground grappling competition.

    • @user-mn8tz4nf2s
      @user-mn8tz4nf2s ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesbetancourt7337 that's why I was asking. Thanks for the explanation

    • @basteagui
      @basteagui ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-mn8tz4nf2s "shouldn't they both be sliding?"
      no. not if the tai chi person knows more tai chi than the other person

  • @mikelroa8719
    @mikelroa8719 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like this. You dont need a gym or mat. Can be done outside and at any age. Id rather practice this than smashing my face against a glove or the floor. And i guess it gives you good posture.
    This is a sport i could stick to.

  • @robertnewell4054
    @robertnewell4054 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It’s been years now, but I’ve never seen such risers used for Push Hands. Back in the 80’s there was Push Hands 🙌 Tournaments in the Great Bear Flag Republic of California. It’s was mostly though the Yang Family T'ai Chi Ch'üan, out of The City (San Francisco)

  • @christopher_schwab
    @christopher_schwab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can't help but think what an amazing supplement sumo training would be for this type of push hands.

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Out of the five matches Nicco had at this tournament, the second to last bout he had was against a competitor using sumo. The man was about 5'6 300 lbs and won his other two matches. Nicco beat him 15-0 and also palm pushed him in thei mid section and sent him sliding ten feet. On his butt. It's more like Tai chi would be an excellent supplement for sumo.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesbetancourt7337

  • @hankwatt
    @hankwatt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great breakdown, history in the making!

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats the plan, I want to show people true Tai Chi!

  • @guydude7550
    @guydude7550 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was really interesting, Nico has such incredible control.

  • @Hakaanu
    @Hakaanu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That was one of the more fascinating competitions you’ve highlighted, was there more at this event?

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There was bjj grappling competition. You see it all at" world series push hands 2022- orange county. Ncco won all five os his matches. Four out five 15-0. At 5:05 of the video A bjj grappling event referee tested him out, ff the pads. He tried to tackle him. Same results. Nicco toppled him over.The school where they have this event I think is an alliance between bjj and Tai chi

  • @LRkun
    @LRkun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Push hands or whatever they are doing is really good for balance.
    If you apply that in fighting, it's good as foundation.
    Especially like in wrestling where you push a little then the other reacts and then you do a counter move using his momentum against him.

  • @jesseshaffer3951
    @jesseshaffer3951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would love to try this type of comp. Awesome vid.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is def a great time and good way to train sensitivity, balance and root!

  • @camiloiribarren1450
    @camiloiribarren1450 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tai chi/Taiji has great applications but it hasn’t been taught properly for the most part and maybe now they are teaching the true applications of Taiji/Tai chi. This a good example of how Taiji can be applied, a good breath and give good power and grappling

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you a ton!!!

  • @texasgreentea1
    @texasgreentea1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Great showcase of the missing ingredient in most MMA bouts. MMA gyms don't spend enough time on the kind of sensitivity development you get from tai chi or wing chun. You see good sensitivity from wrestlers and jiu jitsu experts on the ground, but it feels like they forget about it on the feet, habitually pushing and pulling too much when entering and exiting clinch because their opponents don't know how to capitalize on subtle mistakes.

    • @uros2321
      @uros2321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'd like to see how the tai chi guy would do in an actual grappling match ;)

    • @matsuwd-emethdaath4002
      @matsuwd-emethdaath4002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@uros2321 the result would be a tap out as usual

    • @user255
      @user255 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@uros2321 Not very well, because they don't really focus on the important stuff.

    • @texasgreentea1
      @texasgreentea1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@uros2321 I'll bet he would not do well, unless he has trained some wrestling, muay thai, jiu jitsu, or perhaps some judo. Tai Chi and Wing Chun tend to under-emphasize full-contact application so even most masters would probably get rag-dolled in the octagon. But train someone with a full modern MMA arsenal, and then train them on an hour-per-day of push hands or chi sao, and you'd definitely see them pulling off some wild moves we've never seen in the UFC. It would change the game during transitions into and out of clinch.

    • @WarriorBoy
      @WarriorBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gharm9129 Enough content is left even in the current ruleset for any effective martial art to succeed in MMA. Many types of Karate have done just fine in MMA, do you not count that? If you train to apply and spar, you'll be successful

  • @Ale-pk6td
    @Ale-pk6td 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Does Nico also competes in tuishou? I want to see more of his grappling ability

  • @diphyllum8180
    @diphyllum8180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That was cool. Those foot pads are weird though, and I'd like to see more free stepping push hands. Too many people think that fixed step is all that push hands is, when really fixed step is simpler and safer so it's ideal for beginners but it's inherently pretty limited. With free stepping it's a lot easier for someone to get thrown, whether accidentally or on purpose. MMA guys might even do better with free stepping because it more resembles the grappling they're used to, so if the tai chi guy could still win it'd mean a lot. Just a thought

    • @jmamvs544
      @jmamvs544 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/B16EDbq8PqY/w-d-xo.html

    • @jmamvs544
      @jmamvs544 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/VNXnxCpjUNM/w-d-xo.html

    • @h.s.levine2932
      @h.s.levine2932 ปีที่แล้ว

      That depends what you’re trying to develop. The late Cheng Man Ching used to have his students push hands with one of them backed up with one heel touching a wall. That develops a skill like shown here that you might otherwise not develop if you rely too much on stepping away.

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว

      See the video " Tai chi vs. wrestling maybe Greco Roman angle 1 shadow xu".

    • @diphyllum8180
      @diphyllum8180 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@h.s.levine2932 yeah, that's a useful skill, so long as it's not a substitute for also learning how to do it with free stepping. If you can only win when your opponent doesn't move their feet, you're not really training to fight; but if you can win without moving YOUR feet, while your opponent is free to move freely, then that's great.

  • @thebruce0
    @thebruce0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now that was super interesting!

  • @Technoanima
    @Technoanima ปีที่แล้ว

    Vibrating hands is pretty advanced. Kudos to Sifu Niko. 🙏

    • @Technoanima
      @Technoanima ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, thank you for covering this event!

  • @randalwung8715
    @randalwung8715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bruce lee had a saying used by Dan Inosanto, along the lines of, "Don't box with a boxer, don't kick with a kicker, don't wrestle with a wrestler." Relatedly, he also said something like, "There's a range at which boxing will counter Taekwondo; a range at which Wing Chun will counter boxing; a range at which Tai Chi will counter Wing Chun; a range at which wrestling will counter Tai Chi."

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, but this isn't a full on Taichi/wrestling fight. This is literally a Taichi drill lmao, how can somebody expect the other guys to use their BJJ or wrestling here.
      It's like trying to use boxing while doing the Wing Chun chi sao (sticky hands) drill, the rules of the drill go against your boxing techniques lol.

    • @randalwung8715
      @randalwung8715 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jestfullgremblim8002 True dat. It's like TH-cam challenges with crossfitters vs marines or gymnasts vs bodybuilders or whatever. The person whose discipline is on display is gonna win. So Tai Chi vs MMA in a free sparring match? I know who I'D bet on, lol.

  • @WarriorBoy
    @WarriorBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think there's skills you can develop in push hands that would definitely carry over to other aspects of martial arts. If Tai Chi focused more on unrehearsed, live drills like this, it may have a better rep. Not to mention that outside fighting, this just looks fun in its own right.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Def! I do jujitsu and spar quite often with Tai Chi principle! It is super helpful!

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One day when you're 50 and walk with a limp for the last 30 years of your life from wrestling injuries, you'll understand why people do Tai Chi forms.

  • @Simon2k17
    @Simon2k17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The general idea is to relax and stretch the spine downwards. This lowers your center of gravity without bending too much. Eventually your whole body can be lowered into the ground without changing elevation. This type of coordination takes practice. The hard part is figuring out the stretch of the arms with the stretch of the spine. The shoulder is where the body holds the most tension.

    • @DaAxiomatic
      @DaAxiomatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wanna copy paste this everywhere. It's very understandable.

    • @PowerandControlUFU
      @PowerandControlUFU 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed that

  • @LevtNow
    @LevtNow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that is pretty cool. I was thinking about martial arts pretty cold and robotic mostly. like the faster you can overpower the opponent the better. tai chi seems like the opposite of my "rule" and it seems to shine in such competition.

  • @shizheliang2679
    @shizheliang2679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok, I see a lot of comments asking what the point is. In fact, there is theory that Tai Chi Tuishou is NOT a grappling technique, but rather for armed fight, especially when you are equipped with a sword and a shield. In other words, it's simulating the situation of ancient battlefield where soldiers attack in formations. You either use the sword to thrust/cut directly, or you use the shield to push your enemy down to the ground so that they are more vulnerable. That's why you are not allowed to grasp (using fingers) your opponent in Tuishou, because your hands are assumed to be occupied.

    • @shizheliang2679
      @shizheliang2679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @PJ Rivera Indeed! And don't forget the fighting in formation part. It explains why most of these traditional styles have such stupid and clumsy footwork: it's unlikely to move around as freely as a modern boxer in the middle of a phalanx formation!

    • @WarriorBoy
      @WarriorBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shizheliang2679 Great explanation and something to think about. When you think about stuff like Xing-Yi or BaJi, their footwork makes a lot more sense if you imagine ranks of troops moving in those static lines.

    • @nellyfabulous
      @nellyfabulous ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shizheliang2679 For Boxing footwork, look at old videos and Pancho Villa. Before Pancho Villa introduced a lot of footwork from Filipino Martial Arts, a lot of it was very flat footed. Greats like Muhammad Ali highly esteemed Pancho Villa and dominated his weight division using similar footwork. In other words, even modern Boxing was highly influenced by TMA to a good extent. Just look at the footwork of old videos before Pancho Villa. Very few fought like him.

  • @bobafatt2155
    @bobafatt2155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Reading through the comments I see there are still a lot of negative/ignorant things said about this video, tai chi & the tai chi guy . If it wasn’t for TMA you wouldn’t have MMA

    • @malakatan3235
      @malakatan3235 ปีที่แล้ว

      The brainwashed by MMA promotors & media

    • @nellyfabulous
      @nellyfabulous ปีที่แล้ว

      Duh! Because everything was invented in the West. 🙄 China sucks! 😈

    • @mrt445
      @mrt445 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tai Chi isn't used in MMA so you're talking nonsense

    • @bobafatt2155
      @bobafatt2155 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrt445 if it wasn’t for the traditional martial arts there would be no mma
      Karate, Kung fu , tae kwon do , boxing ,judo, wrestling, tai-chi , bjj , aikido & so on .

    • @mrt445
      @mrt445 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bobafatt2155 traditional technical martial arts didn't create boxing or wrestling. Not to mention that kungfu isn't even effective as a martial art.

  • @nobodyshere5994
    @nobodyshere5994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It looks lots of fun :D 🙏

  • @ChesterLinPT
    @ChesterLinPT ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the foot pads actually look very useful for training! can you tell me where to get them?

    • @WSOJJ
      @WSOJJ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I made them by hand for this event, but now you've given me an idea to sell them.

  • @hattorihaso2579
    @hattorihaso2579 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wimg chun has helped me immensly with grappling the push hands drills helped me develop sensitivity gor the clich and pummel for underhooks and going for armdrags

  • @alexisdominguez3133
    @alexisdominguez3133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The steps look like something you would put under heavy furniture to slide and move easier.

  • @mj137jm
    @mj137jm ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. I always considered you fair and honest, but was disappointed that all of the videos, of yours, that I saw, which had tai chi, only had bad tai chi. Although this master might not be able to fight, at least he can use real tai chi skills in push hands. Thank you again

  • @indefenceofthetraditionalma
    @indefenceofthetraditionalma ปีที่แล้ว

    The way they push hands in the second exchange is the whole point of fixed step. You’re supposed to be loose and feel where the imbalance comes. It gives a massive advantage to when it comes to them actually wrestling (or fighting for that matter).
    Nico pushing hands reminds me of one of my instructors from back in the 90’s (minus the dancing).

  • @GodCarnage
    @GodCarnage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is cool. I would suggest during striking instead of pushing then you can see wingchung work here

  • @zzajizz
    @zzajizz ปีที่แล้ว

    Fixed step is fun and useful for practicing fundamentals. We do that at our school because we do not currently have mats…

  • @neokimchi
    @neokimchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is super cool

  • @basilistsakalos9643
    @basilistsakalos9643 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally, this is proper Taijiquan, there is the structure, the suppleness, the form, explosiveness, all is there! If this is the first time you see it, well I am glad you discovered it, because now we can finally move on bullshido crap videos to more serious directions of refining movement, different kind of skillset, and most of all how to make it applicable. It's about time to stop bashing Taijiquan in general but search about those people who really represent the art. I 'll give you two hints. Tim Cartmel. Strider Clark.

  • @Tamales21
    @Tamales21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really cool

  • @christophercurtis2893
    @christophercurtis2893 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a lot going on in Tai Chi. Nico has a good root and is relaxed. Then comes the power and direction. Is this from Brazil?

  • @Spikebert
    @Spikebert 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Push hands is an amazing skill, I've only done a year of it, but when I took up Judo, I could usually stop even the brown belts from throwing me. Not for practical self defense unless it's a shoving match though.

  • @lordtains
    @lordtains ปีที่แล้ว

    If you combine this kind of sensitivity with wrestling, I can definitely imagine that this can work.

  • @shadowfighter6445
    @shadowfighter6445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I enjoyed watching this.
    Tai chi push hands is really cool.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tai Chi is Super Cool!

  • @JulianFok
    @JulianFok ปีที่แล้ว

    Were there any weight classes? Wish I knew about this tournament earlier

    • @FightCommentary
      @FightCommentary  ปีที่แล้ว

      No weight classes, but probably in the future there will be.

  • @TheChadavis33
    @TheChadavis33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Super interesting. I would love to see how it translates to actual fighting

    • @WSOJJ
      @WSOJJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      If we had been fighting on a rooftop or a ledge or a dock Niko would have killed us all.

    • @TheDanielmeeks
      @TheDanielmeeks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WSOJJ lol

    • @TheDanielmeeks
      @TheDanielmeeks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      So basically in 0.001% of situations this man is a god

    • @bougeac
      @bougeac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It doesn’t , a collegiate level wrestler would smash this tai chi guy

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@bougeac But a bjj black belt can't?

  • @kimmyedd4950
    @kimmyedd4950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:01 that’s scapular movement also emphasized in aikido and aikijujutsu where you move your scapulas in a circular fashion in order to draw a lot of power without moving the upper body nor the hips. It is explained in this video, th-cam.com/video/t0HPf02nsFI/w-d-xo.html , at 6:07. It’s a deceptively strong force.

    • @cz4138
      @cz4138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That scapular movement in tai chi is generated from the ground and steered by the hips. Body must work in unison while relaxed or you end up in this guys TH-cam videos getting made fun of for trying tai chi lol

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cz4138 a

  • @psicologias.viniciusmpinheiro
    @psicologias.viniciusmpinheiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The video is a demonstration, that is, just an exercise. It's nowhere near real combat simulation and you are minimally smart to realize this. If in an unfavorable situation (unstable ground that requires a lot of balance) the taichi master manages to unbalance his opponents, all strong and experienced MMA fighters, imagine if the master is in a favorable situation, for example, on a stable surface and applying serious blunt blows . Taichi is a martial propaedeutics that should be studied by everyone who seriously practices martial arts and self-defense. Bad luck for those who don't practice, because they will always need excessive physical strength and eternal youth. And both, I guarantee, will not be at your disposal all the time.

  • @Asuraeus
    @Asuraeus ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man love your stuff but could you point out fighters by their clothes or at the time in the scene pause and say the guy on the right and the guy the left is in this colour etc

  • @jmac6748
    @jmac6748 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why don’t you do the throat singing intros no more man that was golden please bring em back👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👌🏻👆👆

  • @casz7098
    @casz7098 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That's amazing. I read this book, I can't remember the name but I think it was called A Warrior's Heart. The author traveled around the world to train with martial arts masters, jiu jitsu, boxing, Muay Thai, and Tai Chi was one of them. The guy learned some really good concepts about fighting from the Tai Chi master. He learned a lot about how to generate power.

    • @sifuniko
      @sifuniko ปีที่แล้ว

      Super COOL! Thanks a ton!

    • @DeanS946
      @DeanS946 ปีที่แล้ว

      A Fighter's Heart by Sam Sheridan. Great book!

  • @SThrillz
    @SThrillz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He's balancing and locking from the hips down which mixed martial arts doesn't really emphasize. They mainly focus on balancing from the feet which is great when you are moving round but completely different when the whole point is staying still so you have to lock from the hips down and keep the top half fluid.

    • @tonbonthemon
      @tonbonthemon ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you explain what you mean by locking from the hips up?

    • @SThrillz
      @SThrillz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tonbonthemon meant locking from the hips down.

    • @tonbonthemon
      @tonbonthemon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SThrillz Sorry, my typo. Still wondering if you could explain that.

    • @SThrillz
      @SThrillz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tonbonthemon like what happens when you sit, rather than split the pressure between your feet it goes straight down into your hips, if you train after a while you can actually feel in your hips there are points where it's locks depending on your positioning.

    • @tonbonthemon
      @tonbonthemon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SThrillz Do you mean stiffening in the hips? Edit: it doesn't seem possible to remove the weight from the feet like when sitting.

  • @gonzalomartinezherrera4451
    @gonzalomartinezherrera4451 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it would be interesting to see a contest against a seasoned Nak Muay, especially against a Muay Femeu or Muay Kao with a proper understanding of balance and center of gravity.

    • @charlesbetancourt7337
      @charlesbetancourt7337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's a video. " Push hands world champion Cheng Chi Cheng vs.muaythai champion Ian Morgan Jan Lucanis sport push hands Tai chi. Check it out.

  • @mrvgranfield
    @mrvgranfield 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This skill of sticking or pushing hands is throughout most Kung Fu, Bagua, and Tai Chi there are a lot of varieties and styles Hung Kuen is not about much now but is excellent at this Crane is very good so is the snake is there are so many that have not been seen bagua has the biggest variety of types of training and Tai Chi and Wing Chun is the most well known as the commercialization has the widest coverage through film, etc hung kuen one of the most developed as sticking hands is just one part of its bag of tricks sticking elbow, body, and leg is still rarely taught as well as a whole array of chops palms grabs knuckle punching back and side hand, fist, grabbing locking and pressure point work that all go hand in hand with sticking hand techniques. sticking hands is a way to expose an opponent's vulnerabilities without damaging the person as this traditionally was viewed as extremely bad as who would feed the family so safe methods were evolved to increase skills and still be safe. This point may be more relevant as we move into a time where unacceptable injuries that up to now insurance and goodwill have paid for. This may move in the future into a less acceptable mindset set of insurance merging into risk management. That's for a much bigger discussion on the future of martial arts in modern society. The sticking skills are a plausible way forward in safety driven environment with far fewer injuries

  • @jezzaboi2168
    @jezzaboi2168 ปีที่แล้ว

    i still hood the opinion that fixed step push hands isn't useful for mma, not because it's useless, but due to the broad nature of mma competition.
    in something like wrestling, shuai jiao, sanda and other smaller rulesets, specialising and focusing on this area can definitely have advantages, but with mma, there's so much more to learn, and more influential points of specialisation over this small stand-up portion.
    Similar opinion on moving step, for mma, it would be more practical I feel to simply specialise in wrestling or another form of grappling.
    for muay thai, I think there is some application, especially with entering and moving in the clinch

  • @helgar791
    @helgar791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching the MMA guy here I noticed that his feet are planted too far apart. That makes him easier to knock off the pads.

  • @doktordanomite9105
    @doktordanomite9105 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gods be good that pratfall i almost spat my coffee

  • @SayGahTaah
    @SayGahTaah ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm your thousandth 👍. Tai Chi is just Jazzersize for old people.

    • @CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe
      @CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's footage of him neutralizing judo takedown attempts.

  • @nononsensetaken
    @nononsensetaken 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    best video ❤

  • @user-nb4yh7dr3j
    @user-nb4yh7dr3j ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As taichi fan and practitioners i happy and very excited to watch this kind of clip

  • @taijichickstl
    @taijichickstl ปีที่แล้ว

    Nico was born and raised by a Tai Chi master. He lives it all day every day.

  • @JKDVIPER
    @JKDVIPER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d like you to stop by n check out viper jkd it’s super heavy hitting and Snake Crane interception WING CHUN 🤘🏻

  • @takumauzumakiamv5077
    @takumauzumakiamv5077 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    so tai chi is more of a grappling type more than a striking type...right?

    • @unmessable12
      @unmessable12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      wrestling/clinching in my opinion. Cultural definitions of what wrestling is wasn't always the same in East Asia. I think it'd be more accurate to say that Taichi is about wrestling range more so than what we define in the modern day as wrestling, because back in the day what was called wrestling still had integrated striking. You can see this still in sumo. Taichi has strikes but most of its strikes are meant to be delivered from wrestling/clinching range. Many northern Chinese martial arts are like this imo because most unarmed fighting involved wrestling in one way or another. I almost want to describe tai chi, bagua, bajiquan, etc as "anti-wrestling" arts, at least in an empty hand context, arts meant to help someone fight against wrestlers both in training wrestling skills and using dirty tricks against wrestlers, than wrestling. Not too dissimilar from muay thai clinching.

    • @greg6509
      @greg6509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TH-cam search Chi Qingsheng and watch one of his Old Yang Style forms that came from Yang Shao Hou. Lots of strikes as well as a jump kick and flying spinning crescent kick in the small frame Old Yang Style. Lots of explosive internal fajing. But their push hands are even better than this too. So grappling, breaking, punching, slapping, kicking, dim mak and other vital point nerve center and artery striking it is all part of real taijiquan. And, yes, lots of takedowns and then stomping, kicking and punching the opponent when they are down. Sifu Liang De Hua is a student of his to look up.

    • @gflix6030
      @gflix6030 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@greg6509 dim mak?? seriously?? 🤣🤣🤣 that stuff is a hoax bruh

    • @greg6509
      @greg6509 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gflix6030 My Karate and combat jujitsu instructor in high school 30 years could knock us out at will during full speed sparring using vital point striking. So believe whatever you want buddy. Until it has been used on you in full speed sparring and you need revived with accupressure points. How narrow minded are you?! It's well documented vital point striking is part of all real traditional martial arts including karate, jujitsu, and wushu such as Tai Chi Chuan. I'm glad people like you don't think it's real.

    • @gflix6030
      @gflix6030 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@greg6509 try it on mma fighters good luck

  • @ChristianoSts
    @ChristianoSts ปีที่แล้ว

    it's interesting to see how only body mechanics is playing a big role, specially against the 2nd guy on white pants. straight forwarded hips X angle ones. straight force wins easyly - Nico's body structure is favouring put opponent out of balance....Jason's body is in disvantage/ out of good alignment just when he touches.

  • @DanielColageo
    @DanielColageo ปีที่แล้ว

    Systema has its own way of push-hands, too. It's really something. I couldn't get anything on my teacher.........ever. ha :)

  • @shinrikiway9889
    @shinrikiway9889 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not bad, it's interactive which makes it more engaging for non-neijia opponents.

  • @kwokwinghong6370
    @kwokwinghong6370 ปีที่แล้ว

    I admire these type of fight. When Boxing/Kickboxing/MMA fighter match with chinese kung fu, they often fight in the ring, with Boxing/Kickboxing/MMA rules. Fighting should also be done using chinese kung fu rules. Fixed Step Pushing hand is certainly one of these fighting rule.

  • @Dolph-Face
    @Dolph-Face 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Tai Chi sucks for fighting? WRONG, you're just doing it wrong!" - Sifu Nico Alsup

  • @jyuangrace4502
    @jyuangrace4502 ปีที่แล้ว

    man, tai chi is hard!

  • @aswinmannepalli3212
    @aswinmannepalli3212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If i train 20 years at the floor is lava, im sure i can beat mma guys at that game too.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly lmao, they cannot use their BJJ/MMA in here on the same way they would do on their respective sports. Being good at Push hands is still a good thing tho

  • @georgemckenzie2525
    @georgemckenzie2525 ปีที่แล้ว

    My tau chi teacher asked me to bring four 6×12×16 inch blocks
    We used these at all orientations.
    When up at the 16 inch height extra muscle wasn't always the winner.

  • @anthonymaloney6838
    @anthonymaloney6838 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my that ankle pick is crying out. Why didn't the BJJ guys level change?

  • @Ballarateast
    @Ballarateast ปีที่แล้ว

    There's no magic in push hands . It's like arm wrestling, repetition and bio mechanic knowledge gained through thousands of successful outcomes. Sticky hands ,now that's the magical stuff ✨️

  • @mickywes3733
    @mickywes3733 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Push hands as competition is like barstool racing.
    You can do it, but it’s really not the point of the practice.
    Push hands is a training method, not created for competition.

  • @michaelg7385
    @michaelg7385 ปีที่แล้ว

    is it me or the black step have more grip....

  • @mtvta1981
    @mtvta1981 ปีที่แล้ว

    how is that useful in a street fight where u can move around ?

  • @Dave-lx3vt
    @Dave-lx3vt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What other Martial Arts or combat sports does Nico do? Does he have any fights under his belt? I'm just asking myself about the practical applications because this looked amazing.

    • @Dave-lx3vt
      @Dave-lx3vt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jenjak Cool, thanks. So he does other stuff, too. That's so cool.