a yes CNN the main news compony of fake news... also you all ready did say the name of the company so GG... also ye Boeing would never lie they just have 2 bodys on there hands
soooooo.... the first upload was sabotaged by Boeing, right? To stop you mentioning fact that Boeing engineers with no history of mental illness and "interesting" viewpoints on Boeing safety practices and a willingness to talk keep killing themselves out of the (big) blue...?
Honestly, this is the one mystery I hope gets solved during my lifetime. I’m obsessed. If people are as interested in the topic as I am, I can recommend the Mentour Pilot video on this.
It’s not really a mystery. Only the pilot can do this. There is no other possible scenario. All evidence so far also point to a soft water landing and the aircraft is mostly intact (only large pieces of debris were found) One mystery is whether the pilot is still alive or did he went down with the plane? It would not be difficult to pre-arrange a boat to stand by at a specific co-ordinates where the pilot would be crash landing the plane. The “Soft landing” kinda points toward him still alive though…
20:26 you made an error; the pilots of Helios 522 didn't forget to turn on the pressurization! The maintenance crew turned the setting to manual not auto and didn't put it in the tech log.
However the pressurization toggle was on a checklist the pilots actually went thru, in part to ensure the pressurization toggle was in "auto". And they confirmed it was (audible on the CVR) when in fact it was in manual mode. So the pilots DID make a mistake, and illustrated confirmation bias very clearly....they expected the toggle to be "auto" so that's what they saw instead of "manual" which is the position the toggle was actually in.
1:02:56 In 2019, someone noticed what looked like a car submerged in a pond while looking at google maps and it led to the discovery of William Moldt who had been missing since 1997.
Yep. And this was far from the only case. There was also an elderly man who went missing near his home. But he'd been photographed by the Google Map car walking into the woods. They were able to track him down that way.
The Mentour Pilot channel did a really good video on MH370, focusing mainly on following the trail of technical details, and offering the insight of an actual commercial pilot, who would be familiar with aspects of flying such a route that wouldn't be obvious to laypeople.
I'm glad this comment is here because Mentour Pilot did an exceptional review focused on the technical aspects of the flight (his video is here: th-cam.com/video/Y5K9HBiJpuk/w-d-xo.html), while George did excellent research on human factors and conspiracy debunking. Neither video is better in all respects; to the contrary, I think they're highly complimentary and people should watch both to get an even more complete picture.
Exactly. There is no other explanation once you understand how those flight systems work and how they normally operate for it to have been anything other than pilot suicide/intentional act by a human (I guess there's a small chance it's a crew member or a particularly smart passenger).
I know of at least one mystery that was solved by someone tooling around on Google Earth: William Moldt went missing in 1997 and his disappearance wasn't solved until 2019 when someone on Google Earth noticed a car-shaped object in a large pond.
@@Mikeey1 Yeah, I think one of his channels _somewhere_ has touched on it. I think Dark5 might have covered it, too. I know I've seen it on at least two channels.
To gain a deeper comprehension of the events surrounding the flight of MH370 and the most likely sequence of events, I strongly suggest watching the video titled "MH370 A New Trace" by Mentor Pilot. After viewing the video, you may come to the conclusion that it was a case of pilot murder-suicide. The pilot's familiarity with the 777's systems and the deliberate actions taken to prevent automatic transmissions from aircraft systems strongly indicate this possibility. The video offers a comprehensive and highly technical explanation that is accessible to a wide audience. I highly recommend watching it to gain a better understanding of all the technical aspects.
Mentor & Green Dot Aviation do bring the possibility of pilot murder/suicide to the forefront & make very good cases that actually are plausible … sadly, it’s very sad to put this onto someone who isn’t here to defend themselves, but it definitely seems to be the most likely cause.
@@2msvalkyrie529 Do you not read the description or listen when he introduces the concept of the show? His script writers research and write it, he pays them to do so, then the bald man reads it and adds his opinions and commentary. All within copyright law and within fair use. None of what you said is true. Please look into plagiarism and what the actual definition of that word is before using it.
Very funny, good one... It's so nice to be able to be a little sarcastic and know it won't be angrily replied too. Thank you,gives me some hope for humanity... Take care. Simon, many thanks again for the hard work
@@GarethMeasday agree, it's nice to be able to be a little sarcastic and know it won't be angrily replied too. Thank you, gives me some hope for humanity.... Take care
That’s because no one wants to believe two leaked military videos that show us what happened. It’s not as hard as people have made it. The only thing required to solve the case is basic common sense and not ridiculing people that understand actual science.
Thank you for remembering those who were lost. The story of Mr. Subramanian particularly touched me. I can't even tell you how many times I did the same thing when my children were small: said goodbye before a business trip, and promised to bring them "prizes," as they called the gifts I'd bring back. Just like this man.
George always goes so far above and beyond with his research, I was half expecting a line like "I rented a prop plane and flew to the last known location of MH370" or something equally outrageous. Excellently written and researched, as always! Thanks for a wonderful video!
I need the airline industry to explain why any passenger aircraft manufacturer would EVER give pilots the ability to completely disable GPS tracking systems. I can understand a soft reset button, but the ability to pull an entire circuit breaker is absolutely wild.
Because if any system on a commercial aircraft fails in a dangerous way there needs to be some kind of mechanism to have it be safe (EG GPS fails dead short, which would be a fire hazard and put other parts connected to the electrical services in danger, pulling a breaker should isolate that reducing possible further failure)
Perhaps the better question is why there wasn't redundancy in the GPS system? Most systems in a commercial airplane are back up by redundancy. The critical systems may have several backups. Sadly, installing most of those backup support systems was initiated after a disaster.
I hadn't heard about the Freescale conspiracy theory before, but it reminded me that in the '00s, I worked at a Silicon Valley company that had rules about how many employees could be on the same flight together -- no more than five.
Simon, the Boeing lineup you usually see is: 707 the old one 717 the tiny one 727 the 3 engine one 737 the small one (ryanair) 747 the big one (jumbo jet) 757 the medium one 767 the a bit bigger one 777 the long one 787 the luxury one (dream liner)
I figured I'd come looking for this before making another comment on the mix up. I always struggle to see the 717 as a Boeing though. It's always an MD-95 in my head for some reason. I guess I just can't look past the design matching the MD-80 range
Boeing wanted 787 as global cruiser but they picked public vote and thought they pick global cruiser, dream liner just got it by 2500 votes Next up 797, I do question what reason they picked 7 at start and end
@@mlee6050 100 for earlier models. Boeing no longer utilizes this designation, but did retrospectively for the very first biplanes that it built. 200 for early single-wing designs that deviated from the contemporary biplane trend. 300 and 400 for commercial propeller-driven aircraft (as well as the 367-80 jet, which ended up being the prototype for the 707). 500 for turbo-engined aircraft. 600 for missiles and rocket-powered devices. 700 for jet-powered commercial aircraft. 800 is presently unused. 900 for boats. Boeing once constructed a turbojet hydrofoil, which it designated as 929. When the 800 series come around they will use the same kind of symmetry they have so far, so each aircraft will be Boeing 8X8. That part is purely for marketing purposes. Meanwhile, ICAO codes will show the designation so you will see aircraft like the 737-800 listed as the B738, or the 787-900 as the B789. Military designations vary a bit though the initial tanker ops variant was expected to take on the KC-717 moniker before KC-135 became the official designation. It is the one variant the military has that was specifically developed for that role alongside the 707 rather than being a convert from it. The rest of the military variants have military designations of their own such as the C-137, VC-137, E-3, E-6, E-8, KC-135, RC-135, TC-135, many of which are still operational, albeit with newer engines. Meanwhile, Airbus military variants keep their names such as the A330-MRTT and the A400, though the KC designation is added by countries later with the KC-2 and KC-3 designations used by the RAF, KC-30 used by the RAAF, and so on.
@@mlee6050 I don’t know if the reply I posted earlier sent so I’ll shorten this one: 100 for earlier models. Boeing no longer utilizes this designation, but did retrospectively for the very first biplanes that it built. 200 for early single-wing designs that deviated from the contemporary biplane trend. 300 and 400 for commercial propeller-driven aircraft (as well as the 367-80 jet, which ended up being the prototype for the 707). 500 for turbo-engined aircraft. 600 for missiles and rocket-powered devices. 700 for jet-powered commercial aircraft. 800 is presently unused. 900 for boats. Boeing once constructed a turbojet hydrofoil, which it designated as 929.
I'm Malaysian, so this hits close to home for me. And I just want to thank George and Simon for this, because until today, I fully believed that the Captain was definitely responsible purely from the media framing effects, but no one ever portrayed the background of the pilot or raised questions that disputed this viewpoint so succinctly. We may not know what happened yet, and I hope we find our plane soon, but at least for now, I have a different perspective to hope that one of our best wasn't maliciously responsible for it.
@@DrG65199 We simply do not have enough information to make that claim. If the pilot flew thousands of nonsensical routes it would be not so much of a coincidence if one of those was kind of similar to what happened.
Hi 🖐🏻 studied aviation safety at un! Simon you are bang on with the simple explanation of what we call 'reporting culture' in aviation. This culture refers to non punative remedies when safety incidences are reported, and reporting itself is encouraged to ensure transparency and honest communication (without fear of being punished by trying to fix something) for an overall more safe operation. Safety issues are treated as an issue within the system itself, so we don't punish the pilot, we fix the system that allowed for the mistake to happen (better training, re written protocol etc). This allows us to catch big issues before they become BIG, and historically, fatal. Icao (international regulator) has it written with its annexes that reporting culture is absolutely essential for effective safety management systems and effective safety culture. It really does work too. I came across a paper that actually had hard evidence that quantified airlines with more safety reports filed internally had an overall more safe operation (less near misses, reported major Incidences). This whole area is something I find very interesting!
2:45 - Mid roll ads 5:00 - Back to the video 5:50 - Chapter 1 - What do we know ? 34:40 - Chapter 2 - Conspiracy theories 36:15 - Chapter 2.1 - The black hole theory 39:05 - Chapter 2.2 - The freescale conspiracy 42:30 - Chapter 2.3 - The remote control conspiracy 45:55 - Chapter 2.4 - The anti semitic conspiracies 52:20 - Chapter 2.5 - The shoot down hypothesis 57:50 - Chapter 2.6 - Bogus discoveries 1:09:40 - Chapter 3 - The fire theory 1:20:25 - Chapter 4 - The pilot suicide theory 1:34:45 - Conclusion
David Wooster (March 13, 1711 [O.S. March 2, 1710] - May 2, 1777) was an American general who served in the French and Indian War and in the American Revolutionary War. He died of wounds sustained during the Battle of Ridgefield, Connecticut. Several cities, schools, and public places were named after him thereafter. He has been called "a largely forgotten hero of the Revolution."
Happy to see the full length reupload, but I’m still waiting for the decoding of the mystery of who is David Wooster - 6:01 😂 Edit: by some strange coincidence I subsequently watched the DTU episode on Plum Island. Mystery solved!
Interesting story about the Gimli Glider. The actual aircraft was retired in 2018. The pilots from that incident was in board for its final flight to Arizona where it was finally scrapped That was the longest powerless flight by a commercial aircraft at the time. In 2001 another Canadian aircraft ran out of fuel due to a fuel leak. They glided it almost 200 km and broke the Gimli glider’s record.
Am I the only one who thinks Simon needs to make a channel covering aviation incidents. It’s clear he has an interest, and his writers do good research. It’s be great to have a mentor pilot type script with Simon and his tangents reading it
I was in aviation and went to school for aviation safety and incident investigation. If Simon started reading those reports he'd NEVER get on an aircraft again.
@@Plaprad lol true I've watched a lot of Mentour Pilot's videos and have the feeling that every flight is a potential 'Murphy's Law' flight. If things can go wrong on the flight they will go wrong. But on a more serious note: the negligence, ignorance or incompetence in some cases is baffling
@@Pendragon667 We have some wild ones. One of the "entertaining" parts from being a flying Crew Chief was seeing what issues came up. Tech school never prepared me for goat urine in the underfloor heating.
His writer does good research? did we watch the same video? All I got was smooth brain jokes and a deep dive into conspiracy theories, while being reminded that he's not diving into conspiracy theories- followed by a brief overview of the ACTUAL likely cause, oh and btw here's 15 seconds into the actual route the plane took because that might be relevant, oh and please thoughts and prayers to the victims, they're definitely not smooth brains. Most ridiculous video I've seen on this topic, and no fault of Simon's. Check out Mentour Pilots episode for anyone wanting an ACTUAL video on this topic.
1:02:56 Yes actually, watched a video a while back where someone located the building where a sign that was the origin of a meme (Michaelsoft Binbows) once stood by wandering around in Street View after narrowing it down to a town in Japan.
8:46 Simon mentions the "Gimli Glider" - fun fact, the reason it was called the Gimli Glider is because Gimli, Manitoba, Canada is (one of) the home field training centers where Canadian kids in the Air Cadet Program go to learn how to fly Glider (or unpowered) small aircraft. The Air Cadet Program is one of the best ways for young adults in Canada to become a pilot, and many teenagers have done just that by starting with the provided (and nearly free!) Ground School and achieving admission into either the Gliding Pilot Scholarship or the Powered Aircraft Scholarship. Both the Gliding and Powered scholarships for the Prairie Region of Canada are hosted in or around Gimli and host dozens of teens for 6 weeks every summer.
The video’s conclusion has several inaccuracies. It relies on the Malaysian government’s crash report, which has been criticized for potential bias, as it’s unlikely to implicate a pilot from the national airline. The communication transcripts are incorrect; the pilot did not repeat the new frequency as required by protocol, merely saying “good night” without the customary acknowledgment. Additionally, the flight path included a maneuver over the pilot’s home island, which is unusual and adds to the circumstantial evidence. When no other explanation fits, one must be chosen, similar to diagnosing fibromyalgia. The only system on the plane that a pilot might not know how to disable is the satellite communication, which provided the only clues to the plane’s direction. Many aviation experts suggest that the evidence points to a deliberate act, possibly by the pilot or crew, as the transponder was turned off, and the plane was flown manually in a way that avoided military radar detection. This level of detail in the flight’s deviation suggests an intentional act rather than a mechanical failure.
Yeah... Seeing a lot of other videos about this particular flight, like from Peter at Mentour Pilot or Chloe at Disaster breakdown, this one is pretty disappointing. The conspiracy theories were hilarious, but that's about it.
Especially considering the then Australian prime minister Tony abbot has said he was told at the time by senior figures in the Malaysian government that it was the pilot
I totally agree. None of us want the pilot to be guilty; his family would torture themselves for the rest of their lives. The facts support that human(s) were involved = murder.
While I also tend to lean to the pilot that did it, the question still remains why? Why did he do it as there seems to be no direct indication of him having trouble in his live, both financially, relation or mental...
@Frisco4105 I agree. I hope no person was involved; however, there were too many actions performed at the right times. The pilot was having marital problems and was involved with other women, some sources have noted.
Simon. I know an American, who has been to Tanzania, talked to Tanzanians, and British people who live in Tanzania, and they all pronounce it “Tan-Za-Nia.” It is not pronounced “Tan-zain-ia”
@tamlandipper29 so real. There a few words he says in such a way that I've never heard before. Like they're niche mispronounciations?? I wonder if the rhythms of Czech have penetrator some of his speech, like hearing it all the time has maybe impacted the emphasis on certain words because it looks like a Czech word? I wonder
@@Rick-k7m I was making a reference to white door plugs popping out of 737s. And I’m not a gearhead; what can you teach me about your interpretation of my double entendre? What’s specially bad about that engine?
Not all people who take their own lives have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts. Some are spontaneous or develop the plan over a very short time frame. They appear happy and normal because they have decided to end it all and are now in control, they are at peace because they know what's going to happen.
Thank you for the great deep dive. About the pilot, please note the following. There were so many issues that only a pilot could carry out. 1. Many of the tracking and other systems were turned off within minutes after the plane's last check-in. 2. Because the systems needed to be off so Vietnam wouldn't pick the plane up. 3. It is believed the plane was flown right on the edge of both countries' responsibility. 4. It is believed that he killed all the passengers immediately by turning off the oxygen and by flying in a very high attitude.. 5. There were no calls made by the passages. 6. The copilot did make a call that wasn't answered. He used a much longer container of oxygen. The pilot locked him out immediately, it is believed. 7. Eventually, all the systems were turned back on. The pilot needed oxygen. I think the larger oxygen canisters last no longer than an hour. 8. When the plane made almost right angles, it was right over the pilot's hometown. He was saying goodbye. That's f=/ked up to the nth degree. 9. There are two types a radar, the original, and an advanced kind. The original can't be turned off. The plane was picked up for hours with this kind. 10. The polot seemed like that his wife wanted to divorce him. He asked her if he could move in mistress into their house. Harems are more acceptable in East Asia. Other things: 1. Mangosteens are native to SE Asia, especially Malaysia. They were out of season in March so they were investigated further of who and why they were on that flight. 2. Because of this flight, lithium batteries can no longer be in the cargo of passenger flights. a) Passengers need to keep the batteries with them, and they can not place them in their checked luggage. b) They are enormous amount of cargo/freight planes with just two pilots.
The Helios crash was a mixup between ground engineering crew and the air crew. The engineers had set the pressurisation system to manual during some maintenance and didn’t put it back to its original setting. The pilots never spotted the switch was in the wrong setting.
The plane had multiple transponders disabled and flew a course it should not have been on. I don't see how a fire or mechanical problem could have caused this.
The flight path is a big speculative still. It would have taken quite a bit to actually do the flight that’s been proposed. It may have gone down elsewhere and debris was dragged by ships or currents since the pattern doesn’t make a lot of sense. There was another suspect crash sight found very close to where it was initially believed to go down by an Google earth scout (one that only appears after the crash) but it was dismissed because they believed it was to populated of an area to not have thousands of witnesses.
@@kensmith5694 No, a massive mechanical problem would have seen the plane attempt to get to any nearby airport, not skirt military exclusion zones, or fly for hours dodging detection...
@@SeedlingNL A massive mechanical problem would make any such attempt worthless. You presume that the pilots were alive and in control. Also you don't really know it flew for hours.
@@kensmith5694 We sort of do! Inmarsat said their ground station in Perth recorded 6 Handshakes between MH370 band their satellite after the plane went "missing". As these handshakes only happen every hour (assuming no normal communication takes place in between) then it is very likely the plane flew for at least 5 hours from that point.
I never understood why subs from someone's Navy weren't used to search for evidence on the ocean floor. The cost could be justified not only as training exercises, but also one more tool to find out why these people didn't get to return to their families and homes. Great video, as always, Simon & Crew.
Because they don't use submarines to look for things... they use sonar and when they find something on sonar they send the submersibles. Military submarines are more or less useless for this purpose.
Shah also took a hard bank partially circling his home town. Many perceive this as him getting one last look at his residence before going on to crash the plane. Could just be coincidence though.
@@No-sv6mu since they can track the satellite pings; I have to go with Green Dot Aviations take in this. The captain killed himself and took everyone else with him.
I think there's been quite a few mysteries solved from Google Maps/Earth.. one that comes to mind is someone finding a car in a lake, and reporting it to police, and they found a woman who had been missing for awhile.. something like that
Yes, there have been a few situations involving submerged vehicles in ponds and even lakes. But a plane in the depths of the ocean, that’s a little more difficult.
You totally omitted the fact that Zahari Ahmad Shah was going through a marriage breakup due to his extramarital affairs. He’d been rejected by his online obsession (the Japanese twins). He’d also been dumped by his mistress, and his wife had left him and was living in their other residence. There were also some suspicious phone calls that were reported before (some unknown woman to Shah), and during the flight (the copilot’s mobile handshake with Penang Island communications tower).
Yeah, I reckon he was a narcissist that decided to become famous by creating another aviation mystery like the cases of Amelia Earhart, Glenn Miller or Flight 19. I think he was depressed due to his relationship breakdowns which caused a self-inflicted middle age crisis. So, he planned, schemed, practiced, and then put into action his diabolical and heinous crime. I believe he depressurized the passenger cabin killing all the occupants by hypoxia after their chemical oxygen masks expired (approx. 12mins), except for maybe the copilot who could have been using the cabin crews portable oxygen canisters. If he had multiple bottles available, this might be why his phone was attempting to call for help when they passed at fairly low altitude around Penang Island. Unfortunately, the phone only managed a handshake and didn’t connect a call. The plane was flying too fast to hold the communication. It’s even possible the copilot was unconscious by this stage too, and the phone just automatically tried to connect to a tower. I also believe Zahari was attempting to hide the plane in the depths of ‘Broken Ridge’. The WSPR data if accurate shows a holding pattern west of Indonesia before the aircraft continued on the southerly heading. I think that could have been the point where some slight hesitation before going beyond the point of no return. Effectively, Zahari would know that from that point, there was no coming back, not even to a prison sentence. By that time, he had nothing else to lose. He probably believed he would never be discovered as a mass murderer, but some clever data analytical work (Inmarsat/possibly WSPR) uncovered important details to where the plane ✈️ went and maybe ended its journey. This type of scenario is the only one that fits all the puzzle pieces of evidence. Nothing else makes any sense. Zahari had motive, means and opportunity. No one else fits that profile. Use ‘Occam’s Razor’, or as Sherlock Holmes puts it; “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth”.
Disaster Breakdown and/or Green Dot Aviation (can't recall which) had a breakdown of the suicide theory that pushed me well into the murder-suicide theory.
Literally no evidence at all supports the suicide myth. It was conclusively ruled out by everyone including the officials. It’s ridiculous how TH-camrs profit off vilifying an innocent man.
@@aranjackson259 Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Unfortunately there's zero evidence of pilot suicide, all his family/relatives/coworkers dismissed it and so did the officials. Florence De Changy got his medical records and was convinced he had no issues. When the world wakes up a bit more they'll realize we already have the truth in the form of two military videos in perfect sync with coordinates of the Nicobar Islands. Look up where that is in the flightpath.
Yes I’d agree you’re probably thinking of Green Dot because his did run with a scenario that would have completely worked - but it’s all speculation as that’s all we have right now … I hope for the families that we get answers one day
@MR_N0VA that's not what a trace is, a trace is proof that something was there, which a flaperon washing up on a shore IS a trace since we know know the plane crashed in the water. If we never found any piece of it than yes it would have dissapeard without a trace
I’ve watched this three times and keep falling asleep during the conspiracy theories. Simons voice is so soothing. Gonna try to finish it finally… I’m scared to tackle the Cosby one. My adhd quivers.
lmao Simon: I was working on my pilot's license, then I had kids and stopped having the time Also Simon: starts 5 new youtube channels a month despite having kids
1:03 yes, there was a submerged truck in a lake in Florida that had been missing for years as was the driver, someone on google maps seen it and reported it.
Not only did the Gimli Glider land safely with no passenger casualties, the old airstrip was in use as a dragstrip (I believe), and there were no injuries on the ground either.
You're correct: the retired military airstrip was actively being used for drag racing at the time of the incident, with the aircraft straddling the Armco along one side of the strip (which happened to be the centerline of the runway).
There was a missing person case solved something like 20 years later when someone was looking at Google Earth and noticed a car in a small lake big pond and called it in. It is proposed that the driver probably fell asleep driving home after work late one night and ended up in the body of water.
In some ways he was far worse. He died in 2021. He had a much larger following than Alex Jones. This was in part due to an odd thing about his contract. He got paid per show produced no matter how many stations aired it. This meant that his program was all over the US AM band because the AM stations had no money and his program was already paid for.
Jeff Wise is onto something. If the plane hasn’t been found South, let’s go back and look again at all the information. The North route is very interesting and possible. 😊
There is a lot more technical factors that indicate a deliberate switch off for the electrical and communications systems. I’m sad that the recent work of Richard Godfrey wasn’t mentioned in this video so I want to recommend a second watch to anybody interested in a *likely scenario* (of course, there I no definite answer but one that takes the least amount of speculation with the given facts). “Green Dot Aviation” did a very in depth video and so did “Mentour Pilot” which both have first hand critical knowledge of aviation.
5:59 Who is David Wooster? That's not the first officer's name. I looked it up and the only information I found about David Wooster is about an old American general.
@@ryansmock2717 I agree that this is likely what happened, but to castigate a deadman based on limited facts (yes, facts - not speculation) is… something. Again, I agree that this is the most likely scenario but lack of evidence is not evidence and judging this person so decisively is so off putting. If nothing else, I find those who accept this theory as unwavering fact are less receptive to the pushback. Such as the fact that the simulator data was inconclusive, as the simulation path only vaguely reflected that of of the actual flight. We don’t know how many random paths he had simulated to try and prepare for a potential crash. Not trying to be a contrarian but his whole lifes track record would imply he was nothing short of spectacular and passionate about his job. I don’t think it’s fair to suddenly rule this as insignificant in favor of the limited facts we have even tho it would provide closure and does make the story more interesting admittedly. Also why would he showcase this simulator on a TH-cam channel if it housed the most damning evidence. i know it’s def possible but almost feels uncharacteristically stupid given how meticulous he would have needed to be in carrying out the plan
Not as in depth as I hoped. There is a lot that has been overlooked, even with some of the information George provided. I'm thinking particularly about the report on the simulation flight data, and also the discrepancies and disagreements that have arisen between different groups about the flight path and the verification of parts that have been discovered. It is all very complex though, you could very easily spend several hours more on all of this, but you do end up with mostly the same conclusion - we just don't know, and that new upcoming search is the only possible lead atm. The flight Sim data is complete hogwash tho. They can't even tell if the coordinates were in the same sim flight run that he did for God's sake and the report doesn't present anything that even suggests that they might have been practice suicide runs, at least in the quote that was presented in the video. I've watched other videos about this and other pilots were interviewed who had read the reports and reviewed the data, they also said the suggestion of them being practice suicide runs was nonsense and everything pointed towards normal practice simulations. I think there was some data that showed that he did do simulations where he deliberately got the plane into trouble, but the other pilots also said this is very normal, as they do that to practice and figure out things that could go wrong. There's no point practicing everything perfectly, because when something eventually does go wrong, if you haven't experienced it before you probably wouldn't recognise it, let alone be able to deal with it.
Exactly. The data retrieved cannot be proved to have waypoints flown through in one continuous flight. That makes that data no better than random. It was not even possible to tell if the simulated plane was ever at those coordinates on the same day! Imagine the Police charging you for murder because they tracked your mobile retrospectively for months, during that time a path can be plotted of you leaving your house and walking past the crime scene. Trouble is those coordinates were from 60 different walks you went around the neighbourhood over a six month period. At no time did you ever walk the murderers route in a single day, nevermind a single walk. You cannot conclude anything from the Captain's home computer. I fail to see any reason to suspect the pilot at all when you consider the, demeanour, voice and early training arrival of the pilot that day. Strangely the younger copilot was not considered at all in this video. WTH.
Feelings are still close to the surface after watching a Side Projects video mentioning the Fukushima nuclear plant, as I was in Japan on the day of the quake and tsunami and the day that Fukushima experienced a number of explosions. Your listing the passengers at the end made me think of all the people the wave took, especially the children (I was a teacher). It was so alienating and gut punching when I got to the USA, and people were discussing the events academically, and listing off the numbers of the dead like a statistic or small factoid. I was so lucky to not lose anyone I cared about that day, but I can't not see the faces of my own students when I think about that black wall of water rushing in, and the people it stole.
I can't necessarily buy fully into the pilot-unalive theory, but I could stretch out to it possibly having been the copilot under control and they locked everyone else out of the cockpit. Because... why would the pilot go through all that trouble of flying that route when he could have just as easily forced it to crash sooner?
Specifically to create this mystery and not allow them to declare that he brought the plane down. He wanted exactly this mystery to be out there or there is no other reason to fly into the middle of basically nowhere. Keep in mind he would be unaware that the satellite communication system was still online he would think nobody saw him after he got out of Malaysian airspace. The flight pass after it drops the transponder is exactly between the two countries air spaces so neither one could see them with their commercial airline radar. Only other radar that saw him was the Malaysian military. He also flew loop-de-loops over his home island. Why would the plane do a giant 360 over that island for no reason??
No conspiracy needed here, nor was it likely a failure in the aircraft. Everyone believes that the captain flew the plane to it's demise...for whatever twisted reasons he had.
United 173 was absolutely _insane._ They were on final approach; when they deployed the landing gear, one of the green indicator lights didn't come on, and they felt an unexpected yaw. The captain aborted the landing. They then spent nearly an _hour_ circling and trying to troubleshoot the indicator, with flaps and gear down the whole time. They were so focused on fixing this green light that they ran out of fuel and crashed into a residential neighbourhood. Thankfully due to the relatively low altitude and lack of fuel, most of those aboard survived; 10 people were not so fortunate. Turned out there was nothing wrong with the gear, it was just a faulty indicator light.
@@Saffron-sugar It was one of the incidents that really created the idea of Crew Resource Management. You had an extremely experienced captain flying with a less experienced crew. He got tunnel vision, so worried about the relatively minor gear issue that he completely lost track of what else he was doing, and the crew didn't feel able to question him. After this, we began training crews to better operate as a team, rather than a captain with subordinates.
A missing person was actually found on Google Earth. Their car was seen submerged in a reservoir that for some reason couldn't be seen from the ground.
i remember being 9 years old and getting ready for primary school when this was on the news and i have been perplexed since, absolutely obsessed with this mystery, it’s what got me obsessed with airliners
The black boxes will never be recovered. The signal can only be picked up for 30 days…so unless someone is willing to comb through the ocean floor for something that is the size of a small piece of luggage…no chance in hell.
Really it’s process of elimination combined with what we do know: One of the pilots wanted to commit suicide in a way that would both hide the fact that he commited suicide and obscure what happened to the plane, leading to people thinking about him specifically, or at least the incident, for a long time. The captain had a trip very similar to what we think happened (the trajectory based on military radar and satellite pings) saved on his home flight simulator. It is a very odd thing to do on a flight simulator. It involves a few turns before hours of uneventful straight flight in the direction of one of the most remote parts of the southeast Indian Ocean until the plane runs out of fuel. Sounds fun and educational right?
We want to believe ourselves as the masters of our planet, and then we're hit across the face with the fact that there are *massive* swaths of the surface (and under surface) of our planet where something as big as a comercial plane, can simply vanish and never have *anything* to be found... Edit: "The type whose hollow head whistles when they turn around quickly" is an insult I will be using from now on, thank you very much.
I once flew from Seattle to Dallas. As we were waiting at the gate to depart, the pilot came over the PA announcing a slight delay. During pre-check they'd discovered there was only enough fuel to reach Denver so he was having them add more fuel. Very thankful for those pre-check lists.
I have a recurring dream in which I’m in a airplane crash. I’m the pilot, I don’t die and I don’t wake up. Instead, I get to work fixing the airplane. I inspect the damage, order parts and organize logistics. Sometimes I ferry the aircraft back to base to complete repairs. I’m a pilot and aircraft mechanic so it makes sense. The only real problem is I wake up tired after working all night.
I ate Mangosteen once on a Thai Airlines flight, it is apparently known as The Queen of Fruits and it was indeed very nice. Never seen it since so I imagine that it needs to be used quickly once picked.
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@@joshlittke9305 you're not owed an apology for a dumbass upload goof up. Grow up
Thank you!
a yes CNN the main news compony of fake news... also you all ready did say the name of the company so GG... also ye Boeing would never lie they just have 2 bodys on there hands
Boeing there you go i helped you sense you have no balls
soooooo.... the first upload was sabotaged by Boeing, right? To stop you mentioning fact that Boeing engineers with no history of mental illness and "interesting" viewpoints on Boeing safety practices and a willingness to talk keep killing themselves out of the (big) blue...?
21:30 for those of us who watched the first video.
Thank
Thank you, I was just going to guesstimate.
Thanks lol hahahaha
Thank you! I knew it was 20 mins ish but that's handy :)
Legend, must be complicated as an editor to simply add a jump-timestamp -.-
That last video ended as mysteriously as MH370's flight.
I thought it was super meta
10/10 😂
There's probably an editor in the basement with Danny now lol
That was some next level
The dude who uploaded it, smacked his forehead & went OY VEY.
Simon: To the basement with you! At least you'll have Danny Boy!
Honestly, this is the one mystery I hope gets solved during my lifetime. I’m obsessed. If people are as interested in the topic as I am, I can recommend the Mentour Pilot video on this.
Agreed about Mentour Pilot, I enjoy all his content. I also thought the one made by Green Dot Aviation was very well done.
Thanks for the recommendation of a (for me) new interesting channel 👍
His videos are very good especially since he is a pilot himself so it really helps bring in that experience
It's pretty much a given that the pilot took the plane down, there's too much evidence
It’s not really a mystery. Only the pilot can do this. There is no other possible scenario.
All evidence so far also point to a soft water landing and the aircraft is mostly intact (only large pieces of debris were found)
One mystery is whether the pilot is still alive or did he went down with the plane?
It would not be difficult to pre-arrange a boat to stand by at a specific co-ordinates where the pilot would be crash landing the plane.
The “Soft landing” kinda points toward him still alive though…
Mentour Pilot has an EXCELLENT analysis of MH370. I quite expect that his analysis influenced the script for this video
Lemmino had a better one
@@bucksdiaryfanI will watch that and see because Mentor Pilot is really good and he is a 737 pilot
@@juliemanarin4127 it’s amazing. His graphics and research are top notch
@@bucksdiaryfan Green Dot Aviation has a pretty good video on it as well. Of the three, Lemmino's is my favorite, but I love all three.
@@awzthemusicalreviews I really liked Green Dot's video on this. I will have to check out Lemmino's too.
20:26 you made an error; the pilots of Helios 522 didn't forget to turn on the pressurization! The maintenance crew turned the setting to manual not auto and didn't put it in the tech log.
However the pressurization toggle was on a checklist the pilots actually went thru, in part to ensure the pressurization toggle was in "auto". And they confirmed it was (audible on the CVR) when in fact it was in manual mode. So the pilots DID make a mistake, and illustrated confirmation bias very clearly....they expected the toggle to be "auto" so that's what they saw instead of "manual" which is the position the toggle was actually in.
Yup, he’s right
1:02:56 In 2019, someone noticed what looked like a car submerged in a pond while looking at google maps and it led to the discovery of William Moldt who had been missing since 1997.
Someone found a whole Mayan pyramid with google earth
Yep. And this was far from the only case. There was also an elderly man who went missing near his home. But he'd been photographed by the Google Map car walking into the woods. They were able to track him down that way.
I stayed at a holiday inn express last night
The Mentour Pilot channel did a really good video on MH370, focusing mainly on following the trail of technical details, and offering the insight of an actual commercial pilot, who would be familiar with aspects of flying such a route that wouldn't be obvious to laypeople.
green dot aviation also has a video about the technical aspects, and I am completely convinced it was the PIC
@@sophiewhitehouse6718 Umm what is the PIC?
I'm glad this comment is here because Mentour Pilot did an exceptional review focused on the technical aspects of the flight (his video is here: th-cam.com/video/Y5K9HBiJpuk/w-d-xo.html), while George did excellent research on human factors and conspiracy debunking. Neither video is better in all respects; to the contrary, I think they're highly complimentary and people should watch both to get an even more complete picture.
@@flipw3605 Pilot In Charge *EDIT: I was half-asleep when I wrote this. As other posters have correctly pointed out, it should be "Pilot in Command"
Exactly. There is no other explanation once you understand how those flight systems work and how they normally operate for it to have been anything other than pilot suicide/intentional act by a human (I guess there's a small chance it's a crew member or a particularly smart passenger).
I know of at least one mystery that was solved by someone tooling around on Google Earth: William Moldt went missing in 1997 and his disappearance wasn't solved until 2019 when someone on Google Earth noticed a car-shaped object in a large pond.
thats the exact case I thought of when he asked
@@syndigriner-owens4351finding a plane in the ocean is not as easy to finding a car in a pond 😂
@@syndigriner-owens4351 I'm pretty sure it's one that he's covered as well lol
@@Mikeey1 Yeah, I think one of his channels _somewhere_ has touched on it. I think Dark5 might have covered it, too. I know I've seen it on at least two channels.
And Simon even made a video about that... But his Blackbox failed to record I think
If a flat tire saves me from a plane crash, that tire is getting gold plated and put on the mantle.
And then you get brained by said gold-plated car tire as you sit down... (and then the credits roll for a Final Destination movie :p )
To gain a deeper comprehension of the events surrounding the flight of MH370 and the most likely sequence of events, I strongly suggest watching the video titled "MH370 A New Trace" by Mentor Pilot. After viewing the video, you may come to the conclusion that it was a case of pilot murder-suicide. The pilot's familiarity with the 777's systems and the deliberate actions taken to prevent automatic transmissions from aircraft systems strongly indicate this possibility. The video offers a comprehensive and highly technical explanation that is accessible to a wide audience. I highly recommend watching it to gain a better understanding of all the technical aspects.
Mentor & Green Dot Aviation do bring the possibility of pilot murder/suicide to the forefront & make very good cases that actually are plausible … sadly, it’s very sad to put this onto someone who isn’t here to defend themselves, but it definitely seems to be the most likely cause.
Yeah ! He'll watch it . Then plagiarize its
findings as his own " new " discovery..!!
That's what he does !!
@@2msvalkyrie529 Do you not read the description or listen when he introduces the concept of the show?
His script writers research and write it, he pays them to do so, then the bald man reads it and adds his opinions and commentary. All within copyright law and within fair use. None of what you said is true. Please look into plagiarism and what the actual definition of that word is before using it.
@@mebreeveeof course they don't. That would imply more intelligence than their comment suggests.
It feels like only yesterday I watched the first half hour of this. Spooky.
Very funny, good one... It's so nice to be able to be a little sarcastic and know it won't be angrily replied too. Thank you,gives me some hope for humanity... Take care.
Simon, many thanks again for the hard work
@@GarethMeasday agree, it's nice to be able to be a little sarcastic and know it won't be angrily replied too. Thank you, gives me some hope for humanity.... Take care
it's a mystery,, that.
🤣🤣🤣🤣Excellent!
It's called déja vu
Imagine losing your wife, or your child. They're just gone. And when you go to ask what happened, everyone just shrugs..
That’s because no one wants to believe two leaked military videos that show us what happened.
It’s not as hard as people have made it. The only thing required to solve the case is basic common sense and not ridiculing people that understand actual science.
Yes. Empathising with people in that situation is why it’s so upsetting.
If it were my child I think I would die
@@Saffron-sugaryes absolutely awful for these poor families 😢❤
There a man that lost his wife and two outta three kids…
I'm actually glad it's short (or was) because it got cut-off, because my first reaction was "this deserves a waaaay longer episode".
Yeah I waited all day for the family to go to bed to sit down and watch it just to end early lol I feel ya.
Thank you for remembering those who were lost. The story of Mr. Subramanian particularly touched me. I can't even tell you how many times I did the same thing when my children were small: said goodbye before a business trip, and promised to bring them "prizes," as they called the gifts I'd bring back. Just like this man.
When it comes to deep depression it is astounding how good you become at hiding it, let alone when your work/home life depends on it
I'm glad Simon's black box was found, and he's back.
George always goes so far above and beyond with his research, I was half expecting a line like "I rented a prop plane and flew to the last known location of MH370" or something equally outrageous. Excellently written and researched, as always! Thanks for a wonderful video!
Enjoyed the video greatly, I'm just confused why the channel would be demonetised if George was naked while a video was filmed? 😂😂
"I'm writing from the depths of the jungle..."
I need the airline industry to explain why any passenger aircraft manufacturer would EVER give pilots the ability to completely disable GPS tracking systems. I can understand a soft reset button, but the ability to pull an entire circuit breaker is absolutely wild.
Because if any system on a commercial aircraft fails in a dangerous way there needs to be some kind of mechanism to have it be safe (EG GPS fails dead short, which would be a fire hazard and put other parts connected to the electrical services in danger, pulling a breaker should isolate that reducing possible further failure)
It shouldn’t really have needed it, but that’s an excellent summary.
Perhaps the better question is why there wasn't redundancy in the GPS system? Most systems in a commercial airplane are back up by redundancy. The critical systems may have several backups. Sadly, installing most of those backup support systems was initiated after a disaster.
Yes but what about all the passenger cell phone GPS?
@@lonnarheajwatch the video made by Mentor Pilot!
I hadn't heard about the Freescale conspiracy theory before, but it reminded me that in the '00s, I worked at a Silicon Valley company that had rules about how many employees could be on the same flight together -- no more than five.
Simon, the Boeing lineup you usually see is:
707 the old one
717 the tiny one
727 the 3 engine one
737 the small one (ryanair)
747 the big one (jumbo jet)
757 the medium one
767 the a bit bigger one
777 the long one
787 the luxury one (dream liner)
I figured I'd come looking for this before making another comment on the mix up. I always struggle to see the 717 as a Boeing though. It's always an MD-95 in my head for some reason. I guess I just can't look past the design matching the MD-80 range
Boeing wanted 787 as global cruiser but they picked public vote and thought they pick global cruiser, dream liner just got it by 2500 votes
Next up 797, I do question what reason they picked 7 at start and end
@@mlee6050
100 for earlier models. Boeing no longer utilizes this designation, but did retrospectively for the very first biplanes that it built.
200 for early single-wing designs that deviated from the contemporary biplane trend.
300 and 400 for commercial propeller-driven aircraft (as well as the 367-80 jet, which ended up being the prototype for the 707).
500 for turbo-engined aircraft.
600 for missiles and rocket-powered devices.
700 for jet-powered commercial aircraft.
800 is presently unused.
900 for boats. Boeing once constructed a turbojet hydrofoil, which it designated as 929.
When the 800 series come around they will use the same kind of symmetry they have so far, so each aircraft will be Boeing 8X8. That part is purely for marketing purposes. Meanwhile, ICAO codes will show the designation so you will see aircraft like the 737-800 listed as the B738, or the 787-900 as the B789.
Military designations vary a bit though the initial tanker ops variant was expected to take on the KC-717 moniker before KC-135 became the official designation. It is the one variant the military has that was specifically developed for that role alongside the 707 rather than being a convert from it. The rest of the military variants have military designations of their own such as the C-137, VC-137, E-3, E-6, E-8, KC-135, RC-135, TC-135, many of which are still operational, albeit with newer engines. Meanwhile, Airbus military variants keep their names such as the A330-MRTT and the A400, though the KC designation is added by countries later with the KC-2 and KC-3 designations used by the RAF, KC-30 used by the RAAF, and so on.
After 797, what are they going to do?
7117, 7127?
818? 817?
171, 272?
⅞?
007, 077, 017, 707?
@@mlee6050 I don’t know if the reply I posted earlier sent so I’ll shorten this one:
100 for earlier models. Boeing no longer utilizes this designation, but did retrospectively for the very first biplanes that it built.
200 for early single-wing designs that deviated from the contemporary biplane trend.
300 and 400 for commercial propeller-driven aircraft (as well as the 367-80 jet, which ended up being the prototype for the 707).
500 for turbo-engined aircraft.
600 for missiles and rocket-powered devices.
700 for jet-powered commercial aircraft.
800 is presently unused.
900 for boats. Boeing once constructed a turbojet hydrofoil, which it designated as 929.
Was wondering where it went.
Now “90 minutes or so” makes a lot more sense.
Humans knew what he meant, it's just you Zoomers that don't pick up in social scenarios
I was confused when it was a short video. Then I was even more confused when it disappeared. And now it all makes sense!
I assumed that Simon was using metric minutes when he said that
But it means nothing at all. No one is looking for the plane, adding to the mystery.
I'm Malaysian, so this hits close to home for me. And I just want to thank George and Simon for this, because until today, I fully believed that the Captain was definitely responsible purely from the media framing effects, but no one ever portrayed the background of the pilot or raised questions that disputed this viewpoint so succinctly. We may not know what happened yet, and I hope we find our plane soon, but at least for now, I have a different perspective to hope that one of our best wasn't maliciously responsible for it.
I'm actually thinking it's the FO....
It's probably the captain alas. That home flight simulator is extremely hard to explain away as coincidence
@@DrG65199
We simply do not have enough information to make that claim. If the pilot flew thousands of nonsensical routes it would be not so much of a coincidence if one of those was kind of similar to what happened.
@DrG65199 it just looks like he went afk
If the pilot crashed the plane in the South Indian Ocean, why wasn't there any debris found?
Wow, thanks for re-uploading! I was totally hooked and then it just suddenly ended. Thanks a million, Simon and team!
Hi 🖐🏻 studied aviation safety at un! Simon you are bang on with the simple explanation of what we call 'reporting culture' in aviation. This culture refers to non punative remedies when safety incidences are reported, and reporting itself is encouraged to ensure transparency and honest communication (without fear of being punished by trying to fix something) for an overall more safe operation. Safety issues are treated as an issue within the system itself, so we don't punish the pilot, we fix the system that allowed for the mistake to happen (better training, re written protocol etc). This allows us to catch big issues before they become BIG, and historically, fatal. Icao (international regulator) has it written with its annexes that reporting culture is absolutely essential for effective safety management systems and effective safety culture.
It really does work too. I came across a paper that actually had hard evidence that quantified airlines with more safety reports filed internally had an overall more safe operation (less near misses, reported major Incidences). This whole area is something I find very interesting!
2:45 - Mid roll ads
5:00 - Back to the video
5:50 - Chapter 1 - What do we know ?
34:40 - Chapter 2 - Conspiracy theories
36:15 - Chapter 2.1 - The black hole theory
39:05 - Chapter 2.2 - The freescale conspiracy
42:30 - Chapter 2.3 - The remote control conspiracy
45:55 - Chapter 2.4 - The anti semitic conspiracies
52:20 - Chapter 2.5 - The shoot down hypothesis
57:50 - Chapter 2.6 - Bogus discoveries
1:09:40 - Chapter 3 - The fire theory
1:20:25 - Chapter 4 - The pilot suicide theory
1:34:45 - Conclusion
You missed one Ignition - 6:00 - David Wooster - Who the heck is David Wooster???
That’s what I’m here in the comments looking for
David Wooster (March 13, 1711 [O.S. March 2, 1710] - May 2, 1777) was an American general who served in the French and Indian War and in the American Revolutionary War. He died of wounds sustained during the Battle of Ridgefield, Connecticut. Several cities, schools, and public places were named after him thereafter. He has been called "a largely forgotten hero of the Revolution."
@@lewismantle3887 thank you for clarifying.
Happy to see the full length reupload, but I’m still waiting for the decoding of the mystery of who is David Wooster - 6:01 😂
Edit: by some strange coincidence I subsequently watched the DTU episode on Plum Island. Mystery solved!
Came to the comments specifically for this lol
An American general from the French and Indian War and American Revolution, according to wikipedia 🤣
Okay I thought I was losing my mind 😂
Same!!!!😂
😂
I'm very glad that you ended this the way you did. The act of de-huminizing so many tragedies is a horrible thing. Keep up the great work folks!
“Converted from an a380”- shows an a330
“The 777 is the dreamliner right?”
Sorry but i found this funny, no disrespect, just found it funny
Or the "flight MH317" at the end 🥲
@@rocketgirl3366 I know!!! I commented this at the start of the video, so I didn’t added that when I noticed it
yup, Avgeeks in this video 😅
Interesting story about the Gimli Glider. The actual aircraft was retired in 2018. The pilots from that incident was in board for its final flight to Arizona where it was finally scrapped
That was the longest powerless flight by a commercial aircraft at the time.
In 2001 another Canadian aircraft ran out of fuel due to a fuel leak. They glided it almost 200 km and broke the Gimli glider’s record.
Am I the only one who thinks Simon needs to make a channel covering aviation incidents. It’s clear he has an interest, and his writers do good research. It’s be great to have a mentor pilot type script with Simon and his tangents reading it
I was in aviation and went to school for aviation safety and incident investigation. If Simon started reading those reports he'd NEVER get on an aircraft again.
@@Plaprad lol true
I've watched a lot of Mentour Pilot's videos and have the feeling that every flight is a potential 'Murphy's Law' flight. If things can go wrong on the flight they will go wrong.
But on a more serious note: the negligence, ignorance or incompetence in some cases is baffling
Yeah he could call Disastergraphics and why limit to plane crashes?
@@Pendragon667 We have some wild ones. One of the "entertaining" parts from being a flying Crew Chief was seeing what issues came up.
Tech school never prepared me for goat urine in the underfloor heating.
His writer does good research? did we watch the same video? All I got was smooth brain jokes and a deep dive into conspiracy theories, while being reminded that he's not diving into conspiracy theories- followed by a brief overview of the ACTUAL likely cause, oh and btw here's 15 seconds into the actual route the plane took because that might be relevant, oh and please thoughts and prayers to the victims, they're definitely not smooth brains. Most ridiculous video I've seen on this topic, and no fault of Simon's.
Check out Mentour Pilots episode for anyone wanting an ACTUAL video on this topic.
Thanks for the re-upload. I started watching last night and was very confused at the 1st ending!
Thats what we in the biz call a cliffhanger
Simons just being nice to Boeing so he doesnt end up missing.
1:02:56 Yes actually, watched a video a while back where someone located the building where a sign that was the origin of a meme (Michaelsoft Binbows) once stood by wandering around in Street View after narrowing it down to a town in Japan.
No shit😂
8:46 Simon mentions the "Gimli Glider" - fun fact, the reason it was called the Gimli Glider is because Gimli, Manitoba, Canada is (one of) the home field training centers where Canadian kids in the Air Cadet Program go to learn how to fly Glider (or unpowered) small aircraft. The Air Cadet Program is one of the best ways for young adults in Canada to become a pilot, and many teenagers have done just that by starting with the provided (and nearly free!) Ground School and achieving admission into either the Gliding Pilot Scholarship or the Powered Aircraft Scholarship. Both the Gliding and Powered scholarships for the Prairie Region of Canada are hosted in or around Gimli and host dozens of teens for 6 weeks every summer.
The video’s conclusion has several inaccuracies. It relies on the Malaysian government’s crash report, which has been criticized for potential bias, as it’s unlikely to implicate a pilot from the national airline. The communication transcripts are incorrect; the pilot did not repeat the new frequency as required by protocol, merely saying “good night” without the customary acknowledgment. Additionally, the flight path included a maneuver over the pilot’s home island, which is unusual and adds to the circumstantial evidence. When no other explanation fits, one must be chosen, similar to diagnosing fibromyalgia. The only system on the plane that a pilot might not know how to disable is the satellite communication, which provided the only clues to the plane’s direction. Many aviation experts suggest that the evidence points to a deliberate act, possibly by the pilot or crew, as the transponder was turned off, and the plane was flown manually in a way that avoided military radar detection. This level of detail in the flight’s deviation suggests an intentional act rather than a mechanical failure.
Yeah... Seeing a lot of other videos about this particular flight, like from Peter at Mentour Pilot or Chloe at Disaster breakdown, this one is pretty disappointing.
The conspiracy theories were hilarious, but that's about it.
Especially considering the then Australian prime minister Tony abbot has said he was told at the time by senior figures in the Malaysian government that it was the pilot
I totally agree.
None of us want the pilot to be guilty; his family would torture themselves for the rest of their lives.
The facts support that human(s) were involved = murder.
While I also tend to lean to the pilot that did it, the question still remains why? Why did he do it as there seems to be no direct indication of him having trouble in his live, both financially, relation or mental...
@Frisco4105 I agree. I hope no person was involved; however, there were too many actions performed at the right times.
The pilot was having marital problems and was involved with other women, some sources have noted.
Almost 2 hours feels so much better than the previous 21minutes I was like wth how could it he so short before.
Simon. I know an American, who has been to Tanzania, talked to Tanzanians, and British people who live in Tanzania, and they all pronounce it “Tan-Za-Nia.”
It is not pronounced “Tan-zain-ia”
An important phase in Simon fandom is abandoning hope for his verbal quirks. He has improved, but I think this is as good as it will get.
@tamlandipper29 so real. There a few words he says in such a way that I've never heard before. Like they're niche mispronounciations?? I wonder if the rhythms of Czech have penetrator some of his speech, like hearing it all the time has maybe impacted the emphasis on certain words because it looks like a Czech word? I wonder
He doesn’t care🤷🏻♂️
He's been told by many people - it's Simon, what can you do 😂
@@bunyipdragon9499 hey he mentions when he notices certain comments so I’m going to keep trying!
that first upload got taken out as prematurely as a boeing whistleblower
Premature plug ejection?
Nah it just did that itself, the episode shot itself in the back of the head 3 times with Boeing having absolutely nothing to do with it we promise.
@@PetesGuideTriton 4.6 V8?💀
@@ARCHMAGOS-RATTLEBONESthrough a 4 story window with no balcony and across the street, what a shame
@@Rick-k7m I was making a reference to white door plugs popping out of 737s. And I’m not a gearhead; what can you teach me about your interpretation of my double entendre? What’s specially bad about that engine?
Not all people who take their own lives have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
Some are spontaneous or develop the plan over a very short time frame.
They appear happy and normal because they have decided to end it all and are now in control, they are at peace because they know what's going to happen.
Thank you for the great deep dive.
About the pilot, please note the following. There were so many issues that only a pilot could carry out.
1. Many of the tracking and other systems were turned off within minutes after the plane's last check-in.
2. Because the systems needed to be off so Vietnam wouldn't pick the plane up.
3. It is believed the plane was flown right on the edge of both countries' responsibility.
4. It is believed that he killed all the passengers immediately by turning off the oxygen and by flying in a very high attitude..
5. There were no calls made by the passages.
6. The copilot did make a call that wasn't answered. He used a much longer container of oxygen. The pilot locked him out immediately, it is believed.
7. Eventually, all the systems were turned back on. The pilot needed oxygen. I think the larger oxygen canisters last no longer than an hour.
8. When the plane made almost right angles, it was right over the pilot's hometown. He was saying goodbye. That's f=/ked up to the nth degree.
9. There are two types a radar, the original, and an advanced kind. The original can't be turned off. The plane was picked up for hours with this kind.
10. The polot seemed like that his wife wanted to divorce him. He asked her if he could move in mistress into their house. Harems are more acceptable in East Asia.
Other things:
1. Mangosteens are native to SE Asia, especially Malaysia. They were out of season in March so they were investigated further of who and why they were on that flight.
2. Because of this flight, lithium batteries can no longer be in the cargo of passenger flights.
a) Passengers need to keep the batteries with them, and they can not place them in their checked luggage.
b) They are enormous amount of cargo/freight planes with just two pilots.
Solved mystery of the abruptly cut off DTU video
The Helios crash was a mixup between ground engineering crew and the air crew. The engineers had set the pressurisation system to manual during some maintenance and didn’t put it back to its original setting. The pilots never spotted the switch was in the wrong setting.
The plane had multiple transponders disabled and flew a course it should not have been on. I don't see how a fire or mechanical problem could have caused this.
A really massive mechanical problem could. We don't know if anyone was still alive when it went off the flight plan
The flight path is a big speculative still. It would have taken quite a bit to actually do the flight that’s been proposed. It may have gone down elsewhere and debris was dragged by ships or currents since the pattern doesn’t make a lot of sense. There was another suspect crash sight found very close to where it was initially believed to go down by an Google earth scout (one that only appears after the crash) but it was dismissed because they believed it was to populated of an area to not have thousands of witnesses.
@@kensmith5694 No, a massive mechanical problem would have seen the plane attempt to get to any nearby airport, not skirt military exclusion zones, or fly for hours dodging detection...
@@SeedlingNL A massive mechanical problem would make any such attempt worthless. You presume that the pilots were alive and in control. Also you don't really know it flew for hours.
@@kensmith5694 We sort of do! Inmarsat said their ground station in Perth recorded 6 Handshakes between MH370 band their satellite after the plane went "missing". As these handshakes only happen every hour (assuming no normal communication takes place in between) then it is very likely the plane flew for at least 5 hours from that point.
I never understood why subs from someone's Navy weren't used to search for evidence on the ocean floor. The cost could be justified not only as training exercises, but also one more tool to find out why these people didn't get to return to their families and homes. Great video, as always, Simon & Crew.
Because they don't use submarines to look for things... they use sonar and when they find something on sonar they send the submersibles.
Military submarines are more or less useless for this purpose.
Shah also took a hard bank partially circling his home town. Many perceive this as him getting one last look at his residence before going on to crash the plane. Could just be coincidence though.
David Wooster is from the Plum Island episode everyone. Mystery Solved!
Lol I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed that!
Okay, so I DIDNT hallucinate this video existing
Yeh, I saw it quickly on the homepage but already had an idea what to watch and later when I thought it's time to watch this, it was gone 😂
I bet Simon is going to dine out on 'missing-plane-missing-video' jokes and memes for months now xD 100% worth it
Certainly looks like the curse has struck again
No way ts was accidental
Green dot aviation made an excellent case for the latter theory. Expertly. Highly recommended.
I have always believe it was murder/suicide by Zaharie Ahmad Shah
@@No-sv6mu since they can track the satellite pings; I have to go with Green Dot Aviations take in this. The captain killed himself and took everyone else with him.
@geoffreyhughes1 that's what I just said. Shah was the captain
@@geoffreyhughes1huh can you read the English language or useing some kind of bot or chat GBT to translate ffs
44:14 The wing tip repair was done by Boeing? That’s all you had to say. Haha
I think there's been quite a few mysteries solved from Google Maps/Earth.. one that comes to mind is someone finding a car in a lake, and reporting it to police, and they found a woman who had been missing for awhile.. something like that
The car in the lake was the first image that popped in my mind when he said that.
Yes, there have been a few situations involving submerged vehicles in ponds and even lakes. But a plane in the depths of the ocean, that’s a little more difficult.
The rest of the video has been found! Like the plane! Maybe! Need to watch the rest of this first!
You totally omitted the fact that Zahari Ahmad Shah was going through a marriage breakup due to his extramarital affairs. He’d been rejected by his online obsession (the Japanese twins). He’d also been dumped by his mistress, and his wife had left him and was living in their other residence. There were also some suspicious phone calls that were reported before (some unknown woman to Shah), and during the flight (the copilot’s mobile handshake with Penang Island communications tower).
Really? That is a lot.
I am with you. Zahari did this in my opinion, and wanted the notoriety and life insurance for his family
Yeah, I reckon he was a narcissist that decided to become famous by creating another aviation mystery like the cases of Amelia Earhart, Glenn Miller or Flight 19. I think he was depressed due to his relationship breakdowns which caused a self-inflicted middle age crisis. So, he planned, schemed, practiced, and then put into action his diabolical and heinous crime. I believe he depressurized the passenger cabin killing all the occupants by hypoxia after their chemical oxygen masks expired (approx. 12mins), except for maybe the copilot who could have been using the cabin crews portable oxygen canisters. If he had multiple bottles available, this might be why his phone was attempting to call for help when they passed at fairly low altitude around Penang Island. Unfortunately, the phone only managed a handshake and didn’t connect a call. The plane was flying too fast to hold the communication. It’s even possible the copilot was unconscious by this stage too, and the phone just automatically tried to connect to a tower. I also believe Zahari was attempting to hide the plane in the depths of ‘Broken Ridge’. The WSPR data if accurate shows a holding pattern west of Indonesia before the aircraft continued on the southerly heading. I think that could have been the point where some slight hesitation before going beyond the point of no return. Effectively, Zahari would know that from that point, there was no coming back, not even to a prison sentence. By that time, he had nothing else to lose. He probably believed he would never be discovered as a mass murderer, but some clever data analytical work (Inmarsat/possibly WSPR) uncovered important details to where the plane ✈️ went and maybe ended its journey. This type of scenario is the only one that fits all the puzzle pieces of evidence. Nothing else makes any sense. Zahari had motive, means and opportunity. No one else fits that profile. Use ‘Occam’s Razor’, or as Sherlock Holmes puts it; “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth”.
Interesting. Very interesting indeed.@@bipolarbear9917
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We’ll never know.
Respectful ... a normally forgotten message .... great work team.
Knew something was wrong. Glad it uploaded so quickly.
Disaster Breakdown and/or Green Dot Aviation (can't recall which) had a breakdown of the suicide theory that pushed me well into the murder-suicide theory.
Literally no evidence at all supports the suicide myth. It was conclusively ruled out by everyone including the officials. It’s ridiculous how TH-camrs profit off vilifying an innocent man.
Green Dot Aviation’s upload is clear, respectful, and in my opinion, the most plausible.
@@aranjackson259 Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Unfortunately there's zero evidence of pilot suicide, all his family/relatives/coworkers dismissed it and so did the officials. Florence De Changy got his medical records and was convinced he had no issues.
When the world wakes up a bit more they'll realize we already have the truth in the form of two military videos in perfect sync with coordinates of the Nicobar Islands. Look up where that is in the flightpath.
Yes I’d agree you’re probably thinking of Green Dot because his did run with a scenario that would have completely worked - but it’s all speculation as that’s all we have right now … I hope for the families that we get answers one day
It didnt dissapear without a trace, the pieces of it that washed up on shores are a trace.
Not really because we don't know where most of the parts are nor do we know where is the blackbox thus we still don't know what happened
@MR_N0VA that's not what a trace is, a trace is proof that something was there, which a flaperon washing up on a shore IS a trace since we know know the plane crashed in the water. If we never found any piece of it than yes it would have dissapeard without a trace
Gotta credit George with such a touching tribute at the end. Not very often a DTU video brings a tear to my eye.
I’ve watched this three times and keep falling asleep during the conspiracy theories. Simons voice is so soothing. Gonna try to finish it finally… I’m scared to tackle the Cosby one. My adhd quivers.
Watched the Green Dot Aviation video on this. And of course not definitive but sounds very convincing that it was pilot induced.
It does seem the most likely of all the unlikely explanations
I fell asleep watching this last night and got so confused when I couldn’t find it when I woke up 😂
I regularly fall asleep to Simon. 🤣
lmao Simon: I was working on my pilot's license, then I had kids and stopped having the time
Also Simon: starts 5 new youtube channels a month despite having kids
The difference is that the TH-cam channels make him money while being an amateur pilot wouldn't.
1:03 yes, there was a submerged truck in a lake in Florida that had been missing for years as was the driver, someone on google maps seen it and reported it.
As a Spaniard, you choosing an Iberia 747 photo in 11:11 make me smile 😂
Not only did the Gimli Glider land safely with no passenger casualties, the old airstrip was in use as a dragstrip (I believe), and there were no injuries on the ground either.
You're correct: the retired military airstrip was actively being used for drag racing at the time of the incident, with the aircraft straddling the Armco along one side of the strip (which happened to be the centerline of the runway).
There was a missing person case solved something like 20 years later when someone was looking at Google Earth and noticed a car in a small lake big pond and called it in. It is proposed that the driver probably fell asleep driving home after work late one night and ended up in the body of water.
That's unlikely to happen in this case. The Ocean is far too deep
Oh I know I was just responding to his question of "has anyone ever been found by people on Google Earth?" The answer is yes.
lol 53:30 Rush is the Skip Bayless and Alex Jones of our parents and grandparents time😂
In some ways he was far worse. He died in 2021.
He had a much larger following than Alex Jones. This was in part due to an odd thing about his contract. He got paid per show produced no matter how many stations aired it. This meant that his program was all over the US AM band because the AM stations had no money and his program was already paid for.
He wasn't that bad, just a conservative with a platform. His conspiracy was never crazy crazy, just very right wing slanted.
@@wingerding Rush simply made up a lot of what he claimed.
Sounds like an American problem
Jeff Wise is onto something. If the plane hasn’t been found South, let’s go back and look again at all the information. The North route is very interesting and possible. 😊
There is a lot more technical factors that indicate a deliberate switch off for the electrical and communications systems. I’m sad that the recent work of Richard Godfrey wasn’t mentioned in this video so I want to recommend a second watch to anybody interested in a *likely scenario* (of course, there I no definite answer but one that takes the least amount of speculation with the given facts). “Green Dot Aviation” did a very in depth video and so did “Mentour Pilot” which both have first hand critical knowledge of aviation.
YEA! It's back!!! But again who's David Wooster? 6:00
Re-uploaded with the rest of the video...and yet the first officer is still listed as David Wooster.
As much as I love this channel this episode felt really rushed 🥲
I was eagerly awaiting the reupload, let’s gooooo 🎉
We can already click the play button.
5:59 Who is David Wooster? That's not the first officer's name. I looked it up and the only information I found about David Wooster is about an old American general.
The pilot likely flying for hours with a whole cabin of dead passengers is so morbid. What a coward.
That’s if it true brother. Take it with a grain of salt
@@CourtneySturkey It's probably very true. Everyone on that flight is dead.
@@ryansmock2717 Im talking about the suicide theory
@@CourtneySturkey The satellite feedback with no contact... Seemed intentional suicide by plane.
@@ryansmock2717 I agree that this is likely what happened, but to castigate a deadman based on limited facts (yes, facts - not speculation) is… something. Again, I agree that this is the most likely scenario but lack of evidence is not evidence and judging this person so decisively is so off putting. If nothing else, I find those who accept this theory as unwavering fact are less receptive to the pushback. Such as the fact that the simulator data was inconclusive, as the simulation path only vaguely reflected that of of the actual flight. We don’t know how many random paths he had simulated to try and prepare for a potential crash. Not trying to be a contrarian but his whole lifes track record would imply he was nothing short of spectacular and passionate about his job. I don’t think it’s fair to suddenly rule this as insignificant in favor of the limited facts we have even tho it would provide closure and does make the story more interesting admittedly. Also why would he showcase this simulator on a TH-cam channel if it housed the most damning evidence. i know it’s def possible but almost feels uncharacteristically stupid given how meticulous he would have needed to be in carrying out the plan
Not as in depth as I hoped. There is a lot that has been overlooked, even with some of the information George provided. I'm thinking particularly about the report on the simulation flight data, and also the discrepancies and disagreements that have arisen between different groups about the flight path and the verification of parts that have been discovered. It is all very complex though, you could very easily spend several hours more on all of this, but you do end up with mostly the same conclusion - we just don't know, and that new upcoming search is the only possible lead atm. The flight Sim data is complete hogwash tho. They can't even tell if the coordinates were in the same sim flight run that he did for God's sake and the report doesn't present anything that even suggests that they might have been practice suicide runs, at least in the quote that was presented in the video. I've watched other videos about this and other pilots were interviewed who had read the reports and reviewed the data, they also said the suggestion of them being practice suicide runs was nonsense and everything pointed towards normal practice simulations. I think there was some data that showed that he did do simulations where he deliberately got the plane into trouble, but the other pilots also said this is very normal, as they do that to practice and figure out things that could go wrong. There's no point practicing everything perfectly, because when something eventually does go wrong, if you haven't experienced it before you probably wouldn't recognise it, let alone be able to deal with it.
Exactly. The data retrieved cannot be proved to have waypoints flown through in one continuous flight. That makes that data no better than random.
It was not even possible to tell if the simulated plane was ever at those coordinates on the same day! Imagine the Police charging you for murder because they tracked your mobile retrospectively for months, during that time a path can be plotted of you leaving your house and walking past the crime scene.
Trouble is those coordinates were from 60 different walks you went around the neighbourhood over a six month period. At no time did you ever walk the murderers route in a single day, nevermind a single walk.
You cannot conclude anything from the Captain's home computer. I fail to see any reason to suspect the pilot at all when you consider the, demeanour, voice and early training arrival of the pilot that day. Strangely the younger copilot was not considered at all in this video. WTH.
Feelings are still close to the surface after watching a Side Projects video mentioning the Fukushima nuclear plant, as I was in Japan on the day of the quake and tsunami and the day that Fukushima experienced a number of explosions.
Your listing the passengers at the end made me think of all the people the wave took, especially the children (I was a teacher). It was so alienating and gut punching when I got to the USA, and people were discussing the events academically, and listing off the numbers of the dead like a statistic or small factoid. I was so lucky to not lose anyone I cared about that day, but I can't not see the faces of my own students when I think about that black wall of water rushing in, and the people it stole.
I am so sorry you experienced that, did you return to Japan?
@@vickywitton1008 I did a little over a year later, and I'll still go back to see friends and loved ones.
I can't necessarily buy fully into the pilot-unalive theory, but I could stretch out to it possibly having been the copilot under control and they locked everyone else out of the cockpit.
Because... why would the pilot go through all that trouble of flying that route when he could have just as easily forced it to crash sooner?
Specifically to create this mystery and not allow them to declare that he brought the plane down. He wanted exactly this mystery to be out there or there is no other reason to fly into the middle of basically nowhere. Keep in mind he would be unaware that the satellite communication system was still online he would think nobody saw him after he got out of Malaysian airspace. The flight pass after it drops the transponder is exactly between the two countries air spaces so neither one could see them with their commercial airline radar. Only other radar that saw him was the Malaysian military. He also flew loop-de-loops over his home island. Why would the plane do a giant 360 over that island for no reason??
@@FrostySumo But at the same time, why do loop-de-loops if he intended to die?
@@valolafson6035he was saying goodbye
the naming and pics of the lost passengers at the end was touching.
showing the real human losses...great work!
When Simon asked Siri about the death toll on 911, MY apple Homepod answered... spooky.
😮
No conspiracy needed here, nor was it likely a failure in the aircraft. Everyone believes that the captain flew the plane to it's demise...for whatever twisted reasons he had.
United 173 was absolutely _insane._ They were on final approach; when they deployed the landing gear, one of the green indicator lights didn't come on, and they felt an unexpected yaw. The captain aborted the landing. They then spent nearly an _hour_ circling and trying to troubleshoot the indicator, with flaps and gear down the whole time. They were so focused on fixing this green light that they ran out of fuel and crashed into a residential neighbourhood. Thankfully due to the relatively low altitude and lack of fuel, most of those aboard survived; 10 people were not so fortunate.
Turned out there was nothing wrong with the gear, it was just a faulty indicator light.
Usually pilots try to get visual confirmation from the tower on something like that.
Seriously? That’s disgusting
@@Saffron-sugar It was one of the incidents that really created the idea of Crew Resource Management. You had an extremely experienced captain flying with a less experienced crew. He got tunnel vision, so worried about the relatively minor gear issue that he completely lost track of what else he was doing, and the crew didn't feel able to question him.
After this, we began training crews to better operate as a team, rather than a captain with subordinates.
the sea floor in the suspected area is very mountainous, rather than flat.
A missing person was actually found on Google Earth. Their car was seen submerged in a reservoir that for some reason couldn't be seen from the ground.
i remember being 9 years old and getting ready for primary school when this was on the news and i have been perplexed since, absolutely obsessed with this mystery, it’s what got me obsessed with airliners
The black boxes will never be recovered. The signal can only be picked up for 30 days…so unless someone is willing to comb through the ocean floor for something that is the size of a small piece of luggage…no chance in hell.
That's the sonar emitter onboard the flight data recorder, but they can still find the wreckage with active sonar.
Really it’s process of elimination combined with what we do know: One of the pilots wanted to commit suicide in a way that would both hide the fact that he commited suicide and obscure what happened to the plane, leading to people thinking about him specifically, or at least the incident, for a long time. The captain had a trip very similar to what we think happened (the trajectory based on military radar and satellite pings) saved on his home flight simulator. It is a very odd thing to do on a flight simulator. It involves a few turns before hours of uneventful straight flight in the direction of one of the most remote parts of the southeast Indian Ocean until the plane runs out of fuel. Sounds fun and educational right?
Real ones watched it before the reupload
correction real ones watched the first 20 mins before the reupload
@@poobification Exactly!
" real ones" are desperate to appear like that...yikes...ya sound like a soft one.
Well, we watched the first bit!
I’m a real boi
I really enjoy Simon’s flying anecdotes and personal experience input. 👍
Also really cool that George just e-mails them and gets all this information.
1:01:00 “Self-described UFO hunter”. Strong start.
honestly I'm enjoying this new (if temporary) video style with the informal monologue cuts
The Disappearance of the first MH370 video
A missing person was found from a Google Earth photo. They were found in a car in a lake.
We want to believe ourselves as the masters of our planet, and then we're hit across the face with the fact that there are *massive* swaths of the surface (and under surface) of our planet where something as big as a comercial plane, can simply vanish and never have *anything* to be found...
Edit: "The type whose hollow head whistles when they turn around quickly" is an insult I will be using from now on, thank you very much.
I once flew from Seattle to Dallas. As we were waiting at the gate to depart, the pilot came over the PA announcing a slight delay. During pre-check they'd discovered there was only enough fuel to reach Denver so he was having them add more fuel. Very thankful for those pre-check lists.
Simon's impression of Rush Limbaugh extolling his own virtues is spot on.
The most likely explanation is a manifestation of Murphy's law.
Jews: *exist*
Conspiracy theorists: "And I took that personally"
I have a recurring dream in which I’m in a airplane crash. I’m the pilot, I don’t die and I don’t wake up. Instead, I get to work fixing the airplane. I inspect the damage, order parts and organize logistics. Sometimes I ferry the aircraft back to base to complete repairs. I’m a pilot and aircraft mechanic so it makes sense. The only real problem is I wake up tired after working all night.
I ate Mangosteen once on a Thai Airlines flight, it is apparently known as The Queen of Fruits and it was indeed very nice. Never seen it since so I imagine that it needs to be used quickly once picked.