Love what you have done here and agree. Wore 58 in the 80s and it's great that you have provided clear options for utilising it now and giving it a new lease of life. Keep up the good work 👍
Hi there from a South African now living in Switzerland .. I've recently discovered your Channel and and being 'old school' .. born 1950, have subscribed. A great Posting .. thanks. '58 kit rubbish? No way! My kit (he SADF version thereof) toured the Southern African Bush with me '68 onwards for more than a decade and gave me excellent service. I still have (and use regularly) my original (1968 National Service Intake) personal-issue foldable Esbit Stove. It has, and still does, cook up a storm .. even up to Full English Breakfasts 😊. Fuel .. although I have a pack or two of the Esbit Tabs as backup, I now use 'Sicherheitsbrennpaste' (Alcohol-Based Fuel Gel) or the Swiss Version of Meths. Much cheaper and easier to source here. All Supermarkets and elsewhere have stocks thereof. The rivets on the stove have loosened up a bit (unlike my body joints which have done exactly the opposite 😣 😏) .. and need to be crimped with a pair of pliars sometime (keep forgetting ..). Anyway, the windscreens that I have made for the Stove keep everything stable. A set of Aluminium Dixies (a later in-service replacement issue) completes the Cook Setup. Water Bottles (with Web Pouches) .. the Plastic One litre Bottle with SS 'Fire Bucket' (Mug). The original '68 Issue were Plastic and Aluminium Bottles with Plastic Fire Buckets .. Rubbish! Thankfully replaced in the '70's. I also have a Swiss Military Surplus M84 Water Bottle (w Aluminium Mug) an excellent bit of kit. I made a Web Strap Holder for it so that it can hang on a belt. A Webbing Compass Holder does service to store the Esbit Stove and Windscreen Accessories and a R1/R2 (SLR) Double Magazine Pouch accommodates Alcohol Gel and/or Meths Fuel Bottles and such very nicely. A Swiss Mil Surplus Web Belt accommodates everything and with an After Market Pouch for the Dixies. There! Belt .. Pouch with Dixies and Stuff .. SADF Water Bottle w SS Fire Bucket, US GI Canteen Cup Cooker .. Swiss M84 Bottle and Mug .. Compass Pouch w Esbit Stove .. and the Mag Pouch with Fuel and I'm good to go. A neat little Forest-Jaunt Kit .. I have a Forest right behind where I live 😊. My apologies for the ramble and 'useless information' 🙄 .. just a nostalgic old f*rt reliving (and still practicing somewhat) good times 😏 .. your fault though .. you started it 😊. Thanks once again for the blast into the past and take care ..
Thanks for watching, and taking the time to tell us about your kit. Bexbugoutsurvivor shows as vast array of kit from many different eras, my kit has developed over the years, from the nostalgia from the past, to more modern self adapted kit (recreational) for wild camping, right through to the hyperlight side of trail hiking....(a very different animal).... I hope you have time to look thru some of the past back catalogue of kit talks and reviews, there have been some brilliant bits of kit reviewed (subjectively talking) after all not a one size fits all world....... I have an array of different stove types, from propane to butane, and DIY Meths stoves, right thru to the kelly kettle wood burner. Meths is not so easy to find here, and needs a hardware store to obtain it, and our faithful old Hexi blocks are fast becoming a rarity too, so am in the process of filming an alternative DIY stove fuel for the folding ebit stove, that I think you will really like I hope...... I will leave you a link to a popular video of mine all about the folding Hexi stove that I hope you get some pleasure from. My regards to Switzerland and your self.....Take care stay safe bex th-cam.com/video/QzQqzRluGEg/w-d-xo.html Quick tips videos every Wednesday, and main feature every Friday, hit the notification bell to receive reminders. This Friday fun night camp video........bex
At last someone else who apreciates the advantage of carrying equipment on the belt rather than in the pack! i would have included the first aid kit on the belt though unless it is in the pocket Bex. i will tell you though this webbing was much more functional than that which preceeded it but still not as comfortable as the modern stuff.
I love collecting vintage kit, and resoring it to a functional standard. There are certainly later webbing that works better, of which we will look at later in the series. The advange of carrying on a belt rig (which everone we choose) has more benefit than carrying weight in the bergen. I also use a webbing vest for stove, the fuel for it, and water, first aid torch and so on, leaving me the ability to carry the shelter and insulation in something as small as a 30 litre patrol pack, (makes far more sence to me, over filling a Bergen to the hilt) This will be demonstrated next year, when we overnight camp, called (The pocket camp out) All the best...Bex
That's great, i look forward to seeing your final load-out. What I like about the idea of a belt rig is to keep the essentials with you while the shelter stays at camp. Then should an emergency occur you are still equipped to deal with it especially if you're carrying a lightweight emergency shelter
cool little project, i love seeing old surplus gear recycled and repurposed, (that paint/dye looks pretty useful ... i have a canvas bergen that might need doing at some point)
Its pricey stuff called simply spay, I used two bottles. Makers claim to will waterproof and dye a tent also, incuding polyester and cotton. I think people would rather throw away vintage kit instead of re-purposing it....Good luck restoring the burgen, let me know how it went for you...Bex
Stays tacky for about 12 hours per coat, dries with out any shine, but makes the fabric thicker on the webbing strap, so a little tighter on the runners. The vid was filmed in the summer, and now the canvas has relaxed, its all squared up, like new. Well worth it, if you have kit you like, but is old or worn out...Bex
Thanks for that. I understand the C95 / PLCE webbing I have better now. I love webbing because of how the load is distributed. Heavy items on the webbing, bulky/light items in the pack. Mind you, you can fit a ton in the respirator bag. Did an alpine walk with capacity for 8 litres of water, food, gear, spare clothes and emergency overnight equipment with a C95 webbing setup (no pack).
This is about the 3rd set I have, sure the later ones are better, but only five quid, and would never throw it, even if it just stays on display, in the man cave. I have filmed other webbing riggs, might be right up your street, coming up in the next few months...Found a better way of carring the weight of the water too, you can see that in a brand new feature called quick tips, coming up in the new year ATB ...Bex
Looking forward to it. I always like your thoughtful videos because, in the end, we all have to tune or own kit so I watch videos for the reasoning about kit rather than a shopping list of items.
Good video, there's a lot to be said for carrying gear on your waist rather than in your back. I've had a large bum bag with yoke for about 15 years. That and a small backpack and I can carry enough gear for an overnight no problem. That just took me back 40 years to when I was an ex regular RAF armourer, now in my local TA unit (4QLR) as a REME armourer looking after the smallarms etc. Although I was support, I often got 'volunteered' to make up a squad on exercise (usually as Gimpy man) when they were short. It was there I first met up with '58 webbing and learned about how the infantry went about their business. I was wondering, as you mentioned the poncho roll, if you use one, or a combination, or use the later basha shelter sheet? I've used two 58 ponchos for long distance trail backpacking since the late 80s when I took it up. 70s used surplus when I got them, they lasted into the 2010s until the backing started flaking and the seam tapes came off. Totally bombproof up until that point. I gave one away to a mate to keep in his car and kept one for nostalgic reasons. For lightness and less bulk, I replaced them with two unissued USGI woodland camo versions. Not as robust as the 58s, but still military spec tough. I also bought a grade 1 surplus basha to see which I liked better. The ponchos, only just, because I can wear one in heavy rain, studded together they make a 3m X 2m basha or a roomy for one fully enclosed hooch.
58 poncho bit before my time lol...But I have used the USGI poncho over my hammock set up, there is a vid on this channel somewhere on it....I have both Dpm & Mtp basha, used either on Osprey webbing rig, in a bum roll, but often in a basha pouch tailored to my Bergen. These days I use lightweight camp kit, dedicated for recreational night camps, but mix it up with a vintage berghaus 90+20, the plce Bergen is kept at home for nostalgia (too heavy for camping) This channel focuses on both mil kit & trek kit equally. Either way I get bitched at in the comments which ever I choose lol....bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor I keep it lightweight, 30-35lb max for a backpacking trek. No way would I entertain that stove you have unless I was base camping. Stanley Adventure Pot, homemade multi-fuel stove out of food cans and meths burner out of beer cans. I've found a poncho is just too short for effective coverage over a hammock, I've been thinking of getting and cutting down a cheap grade 2 surplus down to use a part length. The studs could snap in, say two either side, add a centre grommet to the cut edge to line up with the centre grommet of the full poncho so a loop with a stopper knot could be passed through those, ridge line through that. The extension would also give better coverage below a backpack. For a hammock camp, I tend to use the basha, which I cut the webbing handle stitching to remove them to cut the weight, it also makes it easier to roll/pack up. Takes it down about 100g. The old 58 poncho weighs about the same as the much larger basha, 900g - 1kg. The two USGI ponchos 1.2kg, hence why I plumped for them. Lighter civvy versions are available of course, but I doubt they'd last long. Haven't had a major high wind camp with the USGIs, but at Tan Hill on the Pennine Way, I camped behind the pub when gale force winds struck. My two 58s studded together, one side unstud for a door, two trekking poles in the hoods and staked down withstood it no problems. Several much more expensive Gucci type tents didn't, poles broken etc. My 58s cost £8 for two grade 1 surplus. I have a Swedish Army canvas LK 35 that I added a hip belt to, but the steel external frame is too weighty for me for backpacking, OK for day walks. I'm looking for an aluminium pack frame (no sweaty back). I got a 50L sack that only weighs a kg, no frame but it'll do to keep weight down on a longer trek.
The stove in the vid was for size demonstration. I use either jetboil flash, or BRS micro sive ans 100 ml butane. There are many videos on various stoves, for review purposes. This channel review a variety of kit.....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor The stove looks a great bit of kit, but I base camp with a Zebra Billy I picked up in Malaysia for about £2 equivalent when backpacking in '09 for a hammock/poncho camp out in the rain forest. Back to the UK, I made a similar larger multi-fuel (meths burner, hexy tablets or wood) can stove for it that slots into when packed. I'll check your other stuff out, it was the 58 webbing that drew me into watching your video.
I note the price has rocketed from the fiver I paid for the full system including poncho roll and pack, all pouches. 58 pat webbing is quite inferea to 95 pat webbing at a similar price, I just collect vintage kit. Once waterproofed and restored is better than a small back pack IMO for say fell walking etc, holds water, the stove, and rain poncho, and revlieves pressure on my lower back and sholders. Good luck finding a good 58 webbing rig, I think you will like it....Bex
the spray nozzle isn't very fine thought it would be more of a mist I wouldn't use that it just looks stodgy that's only my opinion,,great vid again bex
Theres a new series coming in sping and summer, running different bivvys and webbing combos, It will feature in one of those videos for sure. Tune in to see what its been teamed up with then. All the best Bex
Will boil half litre in about 3.5 mins on high. Tank will burn for 6 hours on low to medium flame. Little bulky and heavy for backpacking, but great for bike camping, runs on unleaded in an emergency, straight from the bike tank....Bex
I get some tee-shirts given, the two twos dont put their regiment emblem on PT kit, other than for promotional purposes, which this is...cheers for subbin falla, some great stuff coming up too...bex
Love what you have done here and agree. Wore 58 in the 80s and it's great that you have provided clear options for utilising it now and giving it a new lease of life. Keep up the good work 👍
Always used wax to stiffen canvas pouches never thought of using starch! You may have saved me a lot of faffing about. Cheers for the tip! 👍
Glad I could help!
Hi there from a South African now living in Switzerland ..
I've recently discovered your Channel and and being 'old school' .. born 1950, have subscribed. A great Posting .. thanks.
'58 kit rubbish? No way! My kit (he SADF version thereof) toured the Southern African Bush with me '68 onwards for more than a decade and gave me excellent service.
I still have (and use regularly) my original (1968 National Service Intake) personal-issue foldable Esbit Stove. It has, and still does, cook up a storm .. even up to Full English Breakfasts 😊. Fuel .. although I have a pack or two of the Esbit Tabs as backup, I now use 'Sicherheitsbrennpaste' (Alcohol-Based Fuel Gel) or the Swiss Version of Meths. Much cheaper and easier to source here. All Supermarkets and elsewhere have stocks thereof.
The rivets on the stove have loosened up a bit (unlike my body joints which have done exactly the opposite 😣 😏) .. and need to be crimped with a pair of pliars sometime (keep forgetting ..). Anyway, the windscreens that I have made for the Stove keep everything stable. A set of Aluminium Dixies (a later in-service replacement issue) completes the Cook Setup.
Water Bottles (with Web Pouches) .. the Plastic One litre Bottle with SS 'Fire Bucket' (Mug). The original '68 Issue were Plastic and Aluminium Bottles with Plastic Fire Buckets .. Rubbish! Thankfully replaced in the '70's. I also have a Swiss Military Surplus M84 Water Bottle (w Aluminium Mug) an excellent bit of kit. I made a Web Strap Holder for it so that it can hang on a belt.
A Webbing Compass Holder does service to store the Esbit Stove and Windscreen Accessories and a R1/R2 (SLR) Double Magazine Pouch accommodates Alcohol Gel and/or Meths Fuel Bottles and such very nicely. A Swiss Mil Surplus Web Belt accommodates everything and with an After Market Pouch for the Dixies.
There! Belt .. Pouch with Dixies and Stuff .. SADF Water Bottle w SS Fire Bucket, US GI Canteen Cup Cooker .. Swiss M84 Bottle and Mug .. Compass Pouch w Esbit Stove .. and the Mag Pouch with Fuel and I'm good to go. A neat little Forest-Jaunt Kit .. I have a Forest right behind where I live 😊.
My apologies for the ramble and 'useless information' 🙄 .. just a nostalgic old f*rt reliving (and still practicing somewhat) good times 😏 .. your fault though .. you started it 😊.
Thanks once again for the blast into the past and take care ..
Thanks for watching, and taking the time to tell us about your kit. Bexbugoutsurvivor shows as vast array of kit from many different eras, my kit has developed over the years, from the nostalgia from the past, to more modern self adapted kit (recreational) for wild camping, right through to the hyperlight side of trail hiking....(a very different animal)....
I hope you have time to look thru some of the past back catalogue of kit talks and reviews, there have been some brilliant bits of kit reviewed (subjectively talking) after all not a one size fits all world.......
I have an array of different stove types, from propane to butane, and DIY Meths stoves, right thru to the kelly kettle wood burner. Meths is not so easy to find here, and needs a hardware store to obtain it, and our faithful old Hexi blocks are fast becoming a rarity too, so am in the process of filming an alternative DIY stove fuel for the folding ebit stove, that I think you will really like I hope......
I will leave you a link to a popular video of mine all about the folding Hexi stove that I hope you get some pleasure from. My regards to Switzerland and your self.....Take care stay safe bex
th-cam.com/video/QzQqzRluGEg/w-d-xo.html
Quick tips videos every Wednesday, and main feature every Friday, hit the notification bell to receive reminders. This Friday fun night camp video........bex
At last someone else who apreciates the advantage of carrying equipment on the belt rather than in the pack! i would have included the first aid kit on the belt though unless it is in the pocket Bex. i will tell you though this webbing was much more functional than that which preceeded it but still not as comfortable as the modern stuff.
I love collecting vintage kit, and resoring it to a functional standard. There are certainly later webbing that works better, of which we will look at later in the series. The advange of carrying on a belt rig (which everone we choose) has more benefit than carrying weight in the bergen. I also use a webbing vest for stove, the fuel for it, and water, first aid torch and so on, leaving me the ability to carry the shelter and insulation in something as small as a 30 litre patrol pack, (makes far more sence to me, over filling a Bergen to the hilt) This will be demonstrated next year, when we overnight camp, called (The pocket camp out) All the best...Bex
That's great, i look forward to seeing your final load-out. What I like about the idea of a belt rig is to keep the essentials with you while the shelter stays at camp. Then should an emergency occur you are still equipped to deal with it especially if you're carrying a lightweight emergency shelter
Agreed brother! 👍🏽👍🏽
Perfect Bex - just got a 58 second hand off of Preston Market chap. I was wanting to dye mine black as well.
Handy set up, for little money. Mostly used just to carry water free of the pack for me....bex
Nice restoration of the kit mate
Was a good bit of messy fun, and the kidney pouches are easily large anough to accomodate at least 1 hour of coffee supply....Bex
cool little project, i love seeing old surplus gear recycled and repurposed,
(that paint/dye looks pretty useful ... i have a canvas bergen that might need doing at some point)
Its pricey stuff called simply spay, I used two bottles. Makers claim to will waterproof and dye a tent also, incuding polyester and cotton. I think people would rather throw away vintage kit instead of re-purposing it....Good luck restoring the burgen, let me know how it went for you...Bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor i found a seller, £16 a bottle ... is it tacky after use?
Stays tacky for about 12 hours per coat, dries with out any shine, but makes the fabric thicker on the webbing strap, so a little tighter on the runners. The vid was filmed in the summer, and now the canvas has relaxed, its all squared up, like new. Well worth it, if you have kit you like, but is old or worn out...Bex
Thanks for that. I understand the C95 / PLCE webbing I have better now. I love webbing because of how the load is distributed. Heavy items on the webbing, bulky/light items in the pack. Mind you, you can fit a ton in the respirator bag. Did an alpine walk with capacity for 8 litres of water, food, gear, spare clothes and emergency overnight equipment with a C95 webbing setup (no pack).
No hate on the '58 webbing - I use that if I could get it at that price!
This is about the 3rd set I have, sure the later ones are better, but only five quid, and would never throw it, even if it just stays on display, in the man cave. I have filmed other webbing riggs, might be right up your street, coming up in the next few months...Found a better way of carring the weight of the water too, you can see that in a brand new feature called quick tips, coming up in the new year ATB ...Bex
Looking forward to it. I always like your thoughtful videos because, in the end, we all have to tune or own kit so I watch videos for the reasoning about kit rather than a shopping list of items.
Good video, there's a lot to be said for carrying gear on your waist rather than in your back. I've had a large bum bag with yoke for about 15 years. That and a small backpack and I can carry enough gear for an overnight no problem.
That just took me back 40 years to when I was an ex regular RAF armourer, now in my local TA unit (4QLR) as a REME armourer looking after the smallarms etc. Although I was support, I often got 'volunteered' to make up a squad on exercise (usually as Gimpy man) when they were short.
It was there I first met up with '58 webbing and learned about how the infantry went about their business.
I was wondering, as you mentioned the poncho roll, if you use one, or a combination, or use the later basha shelter sheet?
I've used two 58 ponchos for long distance trail backpacking since the late 80s when I took it up. 70s used surplus when I got them, they lasted into the 2010s until the backing started flaking and the seam tapes came off. Totally bombproof up until that point. I gave one away to a mate to keep in his car and kept one for nostalgic reasons.
For lightness and less bulk, I replaced them with two unissued USGI woodland camo versions. Not as robust as the 58s, but still military spec tough. I also bought a grade 1 surplus basha to see which I liked better. The ponchos, only just, because I can wear one in heavy rain, studded together they make a 3m X 2m basha or a roomy for one fully enclosed hooch.
58 poncho bit before my time lol...But I have used the USGI poncho over my hammock set up, there is a vid on this channel somewhere on it....I have both Dpm & Mtp basha, used either on Osprey webbing rig, in a bum roll, but often in a basha pouch tailored to my Bergen. These days I use lightweight camp kit, dedicated for recreational night camps, but mix it up with a vintage berghaus 90+20, the plce Bergen is kept at home for nostalgia (too heavy for camping) This channel focuses on both mil kit & trek kit equally. Either way I get bitched at in the comments which ever I choose lol....bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor I keep it lightweight, 30-35lb max for a backpacking trek. No way would I entertain that stove you have unless I was base camping. Stanley Adventure Pot, homemade multi-fuel stove out of food cans and meths burner out of beer cans.
I've found a poncho is just too short for effective coverage over a hammock, I've been thinking of getting and cutting down a cheap grade 2 surplus down to use a part length. The studs could snap in, say two either side, add a centre grommet to the cut edge to line up with the centre grommet of the full poncho so a loop with a stopper knot could be passed through those, ridge line through that. The extension would also give better coverage below a backpack.
For a hammock camp, I tend to use the basha, which I cut the webbing handle stitching to remove them to cut the weight, it also makes it easier to roll/pack up. Takes it down about 100g. The old 58 poncho weighs about the same as the much larger basha, 900g - 1kg. The two USGI ponchos 1.2kg, hence why I plumped for them. Lighter civvy versions are available of course, but I doubt they'd last long. Haven't had a major high wind camp with the USGIs, but at Tan Hill on the Pennine Way, I camped behind the pub when gale force winds struck. My two 58s studded together, one side unstud for a door, two trekking poles in the hoods and staked down withstood it no problems. Several much more expensive Gucci type tents didn't, poles broken etc.
My 58s cost £8 for two grade 1 surplus.
I have a Swedish Army canvas LK 35 that I added a hip belt to, but the steel external frame is too weighty for me for backpacking, OK for day walks. I'm looking for an aluminium pack frame (no sweaty back). I got a 50L sack that only weighs a kg, no frame but it'll do to keep weight down on a longer trek.
The stove in the vid was for size demonstration. I use either jetboil flash, or BRS micro sive ans 100 ml butane. There are many videos on various stoves, for review purposes. This channel review a variety of kit.....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor The stove looks a great bit of kit, but I base camp with a Zebra Billy I picked up in Malaysia for about £2 equivalent when backpacking in '09 for a hammock/poncho camp out in the rain forest. Back to the UK, I made a similar larger multi-fuel (meths burner, hexy tablets or wood) can stove for it that slots into when packed. I'll check your other stuff out, it was the 58 webbing that drew me into watching your video.
great stuff...
Great video mate, I’m looking to get the 58 rig before they disappear.love your attention to detail thanks Bex👍
I note the price has rocketed from the fiver I paid for the full system including poncho roll and pack, all pouches. 58 pat webbing is quite inferea to 95 pat webbing at a similar price, I just collect vintage kit. Once waterproofed and restored is better than a small back pack IMO for say fell walking etc, holds water, the stove, and rain poncho, and revlieves pressure on my lower back and sholders. Good luck finding a good 58 webbing rig, I think you will like it....Bex
bex bugoutsurvivor they just don’t make stuff like that anymore mate
Very interesting
Very disciplined
Expert advise
And it’s free
Can’t go wrong
👍🇬🇧
Webbing full of brew kit now, and 30 kilos of coffee grounds. Lols...Bex
Thanks for sharing , great information !
Thanx for watching bud...Bex
Are you a ex blade ? I carried 58 pattern all my army career great bit of kit . Cheers steve ex 2 para
Great job brother! Like the tee shirt too ! 😉😉 are you ex military too ?? Best wishes friend 👍🏽👍🏽😎
the spray nozzle isn't very fine thought it would be more of a mist I wouldn't use that it just looks stodgy that's only my opinion,,great vid again bex
The nozzle clogs alot, but used to wipe on canvas kit, goes on well. Preserved for another 50 years...
Are you planning on a video when you use this rig for an over-nighter?
Theres a new series coming in sping and summer, running different bivvys and webbing combos, It will feature in one of those videos for sure. Tune in to see what its been teamed up with then. All the best Bex
Whats the stove like as a quick burn and how long does the full tank last
Will boil half litre in about 3.5 mins on high. Tank will burn for 6 hours on low to medium flame. Little bulky and heavy for backpacking, but great for bike camping, runs on unleaded in an emergency, straight from the bike tank....Bex
Good vid,again,and very informative...Your T-shirt,though...is it an old one of yours or Army surplus bought ? Subbed. Keep up the good work.
I get some tee-shirts given, the two twos dont put their regiment emblem on PT kit, other than for promotional purposes, which this is...cheers for subbin falla, some great stuff coming up too...bex