I love the fact of pf2e that whatever you wanna do, your characters becomes too unique. I made my frist character that truth seeker psychic aphorite elf, that goes for diplomatic stuff and governing, while being always on the alram and awake about his around. I dont think there is any way of creating paralel of this character in dnd. He is not good in fighting but area control and no body can lie to him+outside of the war you are basicly mindflayer among mortals
For not causing the thought of my character is broken, and minmaxed, deffinetly not, my character wont even survive first fight of party probably, outside of war, im only useful for talking(yet)
I've been running One Shots since before the OGL stuff took place, and those trying out the system have come to realize this too. Every single character has been unique, flavorful, and the only way to make a character who's bad at Combat is to make them a God within RP. They are playing around with being level 3 and with the free archetype, and they are blown away by all the customization. I basically made this video to help them out, though it's incredible to see how well it's performing.
It was a little disorientating for you to say that you would be using your class first to base your build around, and then its included after the backgrounds section. I understand you seemed to be following the steps the builder takes, but it means all the choices you made before you discussed the classes were based on information we hadn't seen yet. Perhaps just a fast overview to say which class you were going to build into, then leave the deeper explanation until afterwards? I don't mean this to be critical, as this guide is quite helpful. Just wanted to try and provide a bit of feedback for future consideration from someone who hasn't played pathfinder before (but has played D&D) :)
Much as I want to move on from 5E, I gotta say, being told I need to find a dedicated online widget to even begin to start to build a character, man, that's overwhelming. That puts me off to start with. That's too many options. Say what you will about the jerks who own D&D right now, being able to just pick one of ten or so classes, one of a handful of races, roll my dice and work from there, that's so much clearer. This all feels like an invitation to paralysis by analysis, to be honest.
Yeah. It's a very different design philosophy. I hate it. Sucks that character creation is so "user unfriendly". I'm hoping that once you get past it the game is good but we'll see.
You don't need to find a dedicated online widget to start building a character; it's just easier to use the online widget. Speaking as someone who's starting PF2e literally this week and started D&D5e only a couple months ago (therefore the learning process is still pretty fresh), PF2e doesn't have a steeper learning curve than D&D5e, but it is a *different* learning curve. You're going to have to look up a bunch of stuff the first - and probably second and third - time you make a character in any K-selective tabletop game (i.e. a game where you expect to invest a lot of time and mental energy into each character and character death is relatively rare). The widget just makes it easier to look stuff up so you aren't flipping back and forth in a book.
While I own many of the books, I haven't played with Pen and Paper still as, you can imagine, finding a group for PF2e over the last 3+ years is near impossible. (Covid and limited community reach) So me and my friends have played it digitally the entire time. Many of whom, I've never even met in person, but have made lasting memories with. Nonat1's guide with just the Core Rulebook is more align with what you seek. But I have a lot of tricks that I use that may still be of use to you when making a character. PF2e isn't like 5e, and anyone trying the system will have to get used to that. We don't even roll stats (unless that is what the DM wants), as your character's stats are baked into your choices, backgrounds, class, etc. And PF2e has "Choice Paralysis" for sure, so I highly recommend you write a character first, and build after. You WILL be able to make that character or at least get 80-90% there. Whether this video helped or not, I hope that whatever system you play, whether its 5e, Shadowrun, Warhammer or something else; I hope you have fun doing what you love.
@@danrimo826 I worry I would never get past how absurdly crunchy and fidgety the character creation is, even if the rest of the game is great. I do LIKE crunchy and fidgety but I like it to sort of phase in as the character grows and develops, as I completely figure out what they are in this set of adventures. Making all these decisions up front seems so very limiting, both mechanically and roleplay wise
how would you know if you never tried? also all of the rules are free. and pathbuilder is free but $6 if you want to support them and get free archetypes. vs dnd beyond subscription and not getting your pdfs you dont own anything.
I've played with 2 Oracles, and the longest running one was an Oracle of War. Who was played as a martial with a Meteor Hammer and would begrudgingly heal as he always wanted to hit things (due to curse)
They filled the role as a healer when needed, but we also had 2 Battle Medicine PCs and we were a heavy melee team with ranged options. So for our comp, it worked really well! I'd like to point out that he had Vital Beacon (link) which for our melee heavy team was superb. And he started his day with it activated 2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=359
So im not quite understanding the archetypes/multicalssing rules: If you have a free archetype i suppose you choose 1 dedication and get the feats at the designated level.But if you don't have the free archetype rule you need to spend a class feat for a dedication feat only once to get all the archetype's features at the right level? or you need to spend one for each feature of the archtype? (rules are confusing for my non-english brain on this one)
You are absolutely correct, and I should've covered this at least quickly. Without free archetype, your option is your class feat or the dedication feat. Example: When my Ranger hit level 4, he took a Druid Feat over a Ranger feat to get a Leshy Familiar (best decision ever).
I looked a litle bit more into it and activated all my neurons and i have come to the conclusion that. Free archetype according to the book is 1 archetype feat every 2 levels starting from level 2(roughly but it acutally says that You shouldn't have more archetype feats than half your level)which can be tricky or unbalanced if you want to play a higher level archetype but start at a lower level as most archetypes require you to have dedication feat + 2 more before investing into another archetype so you couldn't take your dedication for a level 4 or 6 archetype before level 8 (maybe you can talk to the DM and ask him to store archetype feats until you get acces to the archetype that you want or be able to retrain? No free archetype: you need to trade a class feat to get dedication and then you can gain feats from that dedication against another class feat(or a skill feat if the archetype feat has the skill property) if you fill the requirements(often level). If i am right i gained legendary proficency in archetypes XD.
Every even level is a Class Feat, and if the option is turned on, Free Archetype feat. So you'll have 10 Class and 10 Dedications by level 20 (11 Class if you are a Martial), which in my next video I say may be to much for 5e people coming into the system. It's a LOT to keep track of, but Dedications are seriously amazing to me. Retraining is actually an entire ruleset built into the game! So you can retrain out of a feat/entire dedication you feel you aren't getting great value out of it.
@@scionicog Yeah it's a very complicated multiclass(especially considering the sheer number of archetypes) but it opens up way more options for fun character concepts than having to trade an entire spellcasting level to get some fighter features in 5e. And the retrain that they have in the pathfinder videogames(only experience that I have with pathfinder and they are based on 1rst edition hope they base next games on 2nd edition) are actually in the rules that's cool.
i played a campaing for pf2 and for symbaroum this last 2 years... im gonna say pf2 demands that all 5 or 4 ppl in the table knows the rules really really well, because will feel clunck af (dif from symb or even 5e), and if u like to play mid to high lvls (as my friend and i) its almost feels like playing rpg game them a ttrpg (u are think to much on the mechanics and less on the rp aspect, which "we like" but most of my other friend dislike).
Video: How to build a PF2 character ! quick and easy for beginners ! Me: YES please, make sense of this mess ! Video: I've been at this since 2019 and it's now 2023. First, find an online character builder that you're comfortable with... Me: ... aaaaaand that's a no. If you need to learn new computer tools and spend an hour with them per character instead of pencil and paper, I'm out of here. Not your fault, but... I'm old now, I've seen the days of Thac0, I've already been there, I don't have the time anymore.
To each their own! I cannot blame you for this not being the way to learn the game. I wish I had the opportunity to play in real life more often, but I sadly cannot, and digital character creation has always been how I do things (We've solely played on Roll20 and FoundryVTT). But this video will help still guide you through the process whether its a digital experience or on paper and pen. But may I also direct you to Nonat1's video where he does go over character creation on a printed sheet/PDF? I think this is more in line with what you are looking for. Happy rolling! Whichever system you end up playing! th-cam.com/video/xFFcizyTx8c/w-d-xo.html
Well, computer tools is for making it easier. You can still get books and choose feats, races, classes and whatever from there. Or you can use scroll to choose whatever you want from list. It is still your preference and I respect that. I wish best regards for ur future system choice
@@Subwolfer7564 I know.. I was talking about 2e Pathfinder isnt very streamlined... Also - 5th edition D&D is the best D&D edition since 2nd edition D&D - ive edited it to make it clearer now
@@Heroes_of_Qalanor_RPG pathfinder 2e is not dnd, thats the thing. Dnd 2e is complate different thing. And no, dnd 5e is not the best edition out there. İt is just the dnd name+what critical role, stranger things and other known sources brought fame to that system. 5e is just the most known, not the best
Sounds like this is actually more like what I wanted dnd to become, I'll have to try messing around and recreating some of my characters
With what Wizards is up to, this is a perfect time to make a Pathfinder video for newbies.
Totally agree. I'm also a convert from d&d and this is a great time of growth for all things paizo
That's why I'm here
I love the fact of pf2e that whatever you wanna do, your characters becomes too unique. I made my frist character that truth seeker psychic aphorite elf, that goes for diplomatic stuff and governing, while being always on the alram and awake about his around. I dont think there is any way of creating paralel of this character in dnd. He is not good in fighting but area control and no body can lie to him+outside of the war you are basicly mindflayer among mortals
For not causing the thought of my character is broken, and minmaxed, deffinetly not, my character wont even survive first fight of party probably, outside of war, im only useful for talking(yet)
I've been running One Shots since before the OGL stuff took place, and those trying out the system have come to realize this too. Every single character has been unique, flavorful, and the only way to make a character who's bad at Combat is to make them a God within RP.
They are playing around with being level 3 and with the free archetype, and they are blown away by all the customization. I basically made this video to help them out, though it's incredible to see how well it's performing.
That city scene at around 13 min is amazing
A great time to get into Pathfinder! you have gained a new subscriber!
My DM allowed Free Archetype in the campaign we're playing, so of course my Kobold had to go with Dragon Disciple :'D
Tis only natural! Perhaps the Kobold Dragon Breath as well? I love that feat when playing a Martial
@@scionicog Playing an Armor Inventor Kobold, so Kobold Breath would probably end up making my action choices be incredibly choked with options :'D
It was a little disorientating for you to say that you would be using your class first to base your build around, and then its included after the backgrounds section. I understand you seemed to be following the steps the builder takes, but it means all the choices you made before you discussed the classes were based on information we hadn't seen yet. Perhaps just a fast overview to say which class you were going to build into, then leave the deeper explanation until afterwards? I don't mean this to be critical, as this guide is quite helpful. Just wanted to try and provide a bit of feedback for future consideration from someone who hasn't played pathfinder before (but has played D&D) :)
I live for the feedback, how can we improve without it? Much appreciated!
Much as I want to move on from 5E, I gotta say, being told I need to find a dedicated online widget to even begin to start to build a character, man, that's overwhelming. That puts me off to start with. That's too many options. Say what you will about the jerks who own D&D right now, being able to just pick one of ten or so classes, one of a handful of races, roll my dice and work from there, that's so much clearer. This all feels like an invitation to paralysis by analysis, to be honest.
Yeah. It's a very different design philosophy. I hate it. Sucks that character creation is so "user unfriendly". I'm hoping that once you get past it the game is good but we'll see.
You don't need to find a dedicated online widget to start building a character; it's just easier to use the online widget.
Speaking as someone who's starting PF2e literally this week and started D&D5e only a couple months ago (therefore the learning process is still pretty fresh), PF2e doesn't have a steeper learning curve than D&D5e, but it is a *different* learning curve. You're going to have to look up a bunch of stuff the first - and probably second and third - time you make a character in any K-selective tabletop game (i.e. a game where you expect to invest a lot of time and mental energy into each character and character death is relatively rare). The widget just makes it easier to look stuff up so you aren't flipping back and forth in a book.
While I own many of the books, I haven't played with Pen and Paper still as, you can imagine, finding a group for PF2e over the last 3+ years is near impossible. (Covid and limited community reach)
So me and my friends have played it digitally the entire time. Many of whom, I've never even met in person, but have made lasting memories with.
Nonat1's guide with just the Core Rulebook is more align with what you seek. But I have a lot of tricks that I use that may still be of use to you when making a character.
PF2e isn't like 5e, and anyone trying the system will have to get used to that. We don't even roll stats (unless that is what the DM wants), as your character's stats are baked into your choices, backgrounds, class, etc.
And PF2e has "Choice Paralysis" for sure, so I highly recommend you write a character first, and build after. You WILL be able to make that character or at least get 80-90% there.
Whether this video helped or not, I hope that whatever system you play, whether its 5e, Shadowrun, Warhammer or something else; I hope you have fun doing what you love.
@@danrimo826 I worry I would never get past how absurdly crunchy and fidgety the character creation is, even if the rest of the game is great. I do LIKE crunchy and fidgety but I like it to sort of phase in as the character grows and develops, as I completely figure out what they are in this set of adventures. Making all these decisions up front seems so very limiting, both mechanically and roleplay wise
how would you know if you never tried? also all of the rules are free. and pathbuilder is free but $6 if you want to support them and get free archetypes. vs dnd beyond subscription and not getting your pdfs you dont own anything.
Great video, you have gained a new suscriber!
At around 7:00 you say that Oracle is a Martial class, why is that?
I've played with 2 Oracles, and the longest running one was an Oracle of War.
Who was played as a martial with a Meteor Hammer and would begrudgingly heal as he always wanted to hit things (due to curse)
@@scionicog oh nice!
@@scionicog Did you find that they were effective?
They filled the role as a healer when needed, but we also had 2 Battle Medicine PCs and we were a heavy melee team with ranged options. So for our comp, it worked really well!
I'd like to point out that he had Vital Beacon (link) which for our melee heavy team was superb. And he started his day with it activated
2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=359
@@scionicog Thanks!
I critically failed your subscribe pun. Looking forward to future videos.
So im not quite understanding the archetypes/multicalssing rules: If you have a free archetype i suppose you choose 1 dedication and get the feats at the designated level.But if you don't have the free archetype rule you need to spend a class feat for a dedication feat only once to get all the archetype's features at the right level? or you need to spend one for each feature of the archtype? (rules are confusing for my non-english brain on this one)
You are absolutely correct, and I should've covered this at least quickly. Without free archetype, your option is your class feat or the dedication feat.
Example: When my Ranger hit level 4, he took a Druid Feat over a Ranger feat to get a Leshy Familiar (best decision ever).
I looked a litle bit more into it and activated all my neurons and i have come to the conclusion that.
Free archetype according to the book is 1 archetype feat every 2 levels starting from level 2(roughly but it acutally says that You shouldn't have more archetype feats than half your level)which can be tricky or unbalanced if you want to play a higher level archetype but start at a lower level as most archetypes require you to have dedication feat + 2 more before investing into another archetype so you couldn't take your dedication for a level 4 or 6 archetype before level 8 (maybe you can talk to the DM and ask him to store archetype feats until you get acces to the archetype that you want or be able to retrain?
No free archetype: you need to trade a class feat to get dedication and then you can gain feats from that dedication against another class feat(or a skill feat if the archetype feat has the skill property) if you fill the requirements(often level).
If i am right i gained legendary proficency in archetypes XD.
Every even level is a Class Feat, and if the option is turned on, Free Archetype feat.
So you'll have 10 Class and 10 Dedications by level 20 (11 Class if you are a Martial), which in my next video I say may be to much for 5e people coming into the system. It's a LOT to keep track of, but Dedications are seriously amazing to me.
Retraining is actually an entire ruleset built into the game! So you can retrain out of a feat/entire dedication you feel you aren't getting great value out of it.
@@scionicog Yeah it's a very complicated multiclass(especially considering the sheer number of archetypes) but it opens up way more options for fun character concepts than having to trade an entire spellcasting level to get some fighter features in 5e.
And the retrain that they have in the pathfinder videogames(only experience that I have with pathfinder and they are based on 1rst edition hope they base next games on 2nd edition) are actually in the rules that's cool.
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Knowing the setting doesn't help if you don't know enough about the world to know what that means
i played a campaing for pf2 and for symbaroum this last 2 years... im gonna say pf2 demands that all 5 or 4 ppl in the table knows the rules really really well, because will feel clunck af (dif from symb or even 5e), and if u like to play mid to high lvls (as my friend and i) its almost feels like playing rpg game them a ttrpg (u are think to much on the mechanics and less on the rp aspect, which "we like" but most of my other friend dislike).
Word of advice: Don't use all the damn books if it's your first time.
Video: How to build a PF2 character ! quick and easy for beginners !
Me: YES please, make sense of this mess !
Video: I've been at this since 2019 and it's now 2023. First, find an online character builder that you're comfortable with...
Me: ... aaaaaand that's a no.
If you need to learn new computer tools and spend an hour with them per character instead of pencil and paper, I'm out of here. Not your fault, but... I'm old now, I've seen the days of Thac0, I've already been there, I don't have the time anymore.
To each their own! I cannot blame you for this not being the way to learn the game. I wish I had the opportunity to play in real life more often, but I sadly cannot, and digital character creation has always been how I do things (We've solely played on Roll20 and FoundryVTT).
But this video will help still guide you through the process whether its a digital experience or on paper and pen.
But may I also direct you to Nonat1's video where he does go over character creation on a printed sheet/PDF? I think this is more in line with what you are looking for.
Happy rolling! Whichever system you end up playing!
th-cam.com/video/xFFcizyTx8c/w-d-xo.html
Well, computer tools is for making it easier. You can still get books and choose feats, races, classes and whatever from there. Or you can use scroll to choose whatever you want from list. It is still your preference and I respect that. I wish best regards for ur future system choice
Unfortunately 2e Pathfinder D&D isnt very streamlined... 5th edition D&D is the best D&D edition.
This vid is on pathfinder 2e not dnd 2e.
@@Subwolfer7564 I know.. I was talking about 2e Pathfinder isnt very streamlined... Also - 5th edition D&D is the best D&D edition since 2nd edition D&D - ive edited it to make it clearer now
sir this is a wendies
@@GuitarGuyNick dont get that? Wendy's what?
@@Heroes_of_Qalanor_RPG pathfinder 2e is not dnd, thats the thing. Dnd 2e is complate different thing. And no, dnd 5e is not the best edition out there. İt is just the dnd name+what critical role, stranger things and other known sources brought fame to that system. 5e is just the most known, not the best