Canadian Penny Hunt and Collection Fill - Any Rare Coins?

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  • Canadian Penny Hunt and Collection Fill - Any Rare Coins?
    As promised, it is time to start filling up a Canadian Small Cent Collection from all of the Canadian Cent finds through the last 65 boxes of pennies I have searched through as part of my Lincoln Penny Hunt and Fill Series.
    I am excited to see how much progress we've made so far and to see if I have any rare or valubale varieties for the Canadian Cents. Let's start filling up the Albums!
    During this hunt, I take the time to look for several of the Rare and Valuable Canadian Pennies to familiarize myself with the different varieties that can be found. I also tried to make sure that the video was informative while still being as fun as I could make it.
    Hope you enjoyed the video and if so, let me know if you'd like to see even more Foreign coin hunts like this one.
    Keep hunting and good luck!
    They're still out there for us to find!
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  • @RobFindsTreasure
    @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว +15

    As promised, it is time to start filling up a Canadian Small Cent Collection from all of the Canadian Cent finds through the last 65 boxes of pennies I have searched through as part of my Lincoln Penny Hunt and Fill Series.
    I am excited to see how much progress we've made so far and to see if I have any rare or valubale varieties for the Canadian Cents. Let's start filling up the Albums!
    During this hunt, I take the time to look for several of the Rare and Valuable Canadian Pennies to familiarize myself with the different varieties that can be found. I also tried to make sure that the video was informative while still being as fun as I could make it.
    Hope you enjoyed the video and if so, let me know if you'd like to see even more Foreign coin hunts like this one.
    Keep hunting and good luck!
    They're still out there for us to find!
    By the way - I am selling my custom Coin Roll Hunting Mats on my website or on eBay (see below):
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    • @timthompson6092
      @timthompson6092 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Rob I think it would be very cool to see you do a box of Canadian pennies and see what you would get that would be awesome to see

  • @billdapp2491
    @billdapp2491 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Oh Canada! As a Canadian, I find this very interesting. I will have to check my collection to see what I have. Thanks Rob!

  • @brianbcoins
    @brianbcoins ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice to see the book filling up. Keep an eye out for any of the 2006 varieties. Some are very valuable!

  • @kennethhoovler9050
    @kennethhoovler9050 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Now that the Canadian cent has been discontinued, the cents mixed in the US circulation are probably the only good way to CRH them.

    • @jeffreydavis2578
      @jeffreydavis2578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michigan has the highest density of Canadian coins of all the states that run song the Canadian border

    • @BenBartlow
      @BenBartlow ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@Jeffrey Davis I would think new York buffalo area etc near Niagara falls is high too

    • @theanomaly2587
      @theanomaly2587 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@BenBartlow can confirm, there's a lot of them in Western NY

  • @yousahdood
    @yousahdood ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have an easier time getting Canadian cents then us living in Canada.

  • @PetePete64
    @PetePete64 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glade, I'm one of the first people to see the start of a new series

  • @johnblair8146
    @johnblair8146 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    WOW! I learned a LOT about these fascinating coins! Much more interesting to collect than Lincoln cents!!! I'm DEFINITELY following this series!

  • @johnjacobs1625
    @johnjacobs1625 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just finished a box of cents, that i found a dozen Canadian's in it. 2 1956 a 58 59 2 1960, 62 64 .... 2 1965 1970 and a 77. I had a lot of FUN!! Cheers ROB! JJ

  • @DadsSpareChange
    @DadsSpareChange ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoyed the Canadian cent hunt. Looking forward to the next videos.

  • @sarahkelly7825
    @sarahkelly7825 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed this hunt. Nice to see and learn about the varieties!! Thanks for starting this!!

  • @JamiePlays10
    @JamiePlays10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video rob Canadians are my favorite currency thank you your the most highest quality, TH-cam, coin collecting channels love your videos rob!

  • @JimmyFromTheMint
    @JimmyFromTheMint ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Let's get it.... Been waiting to see what you got over the time.

  • @nicoletteshobbies
    @nicoletteshobbies ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Paused about 2 minutes in. I am excited for this thrilling hunt and fill series. I hope there will be Canadian Quarters and Canadian Dimes to follow. Had to cook some popcorn, so exciting.

  • @Silent.Stacker
    @Silent.Stacker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the additional variety. Thanks.

  • @jacobbower1057
    @jacobbower1057 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rob you need to do a buffalo nickel hunt and fill

  • @janluit1071
    @janluit1071 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome and quite a few spots filled

  • @daver8521
    @daver8521 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great hunt! Looking forward to the next one.

  • @andrewrossi7164
    @andrewrossi7164 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty cool to see the Canadian penny book started Rob, thanks for showing us the different varieties too brother 👍

  • @SouthernMetal
    @SouthernMetal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang! You have found a TON of Canadian cents! That was very informative! I really enjoy these hunt-and-fill series! Another great video!

  • @EnigmaCoinCollector
    @EnigmaCoinCollector ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh Canada! Love the series Rob!

  • @robertscagnelli1011
    @robertscagnelli1011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good start to the books Rob! Thank you!

  • @abreuer
    @abreuer ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've probably hunted hundreds of penny boxes at this point, and all of the Canadian cents I've found have just been sitting in a huge box for years. I think I shall start a similar process to what you're working on myself.

    • @madmattdigs9518
      @madmattdigs9518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too. I’ve just been throwing them in a jar. I learned a lot from this video. Now I think I’ll have to search them for varieties and get a Canadian album myself.

    • @jaymartell2967
      @jaymartell2967 ปีที่แล้ว

      Monkey see Monkey do

  • @tina155
    @tina155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow it's amazing you got a lot of coins ....

  • @pmfox155
    @pmfox155 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool series introduced, love it!

  • @Viktor47917
    @Viktor47917 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You are fulfilling your destiny, Rob.
    Fill the Canadian Cents. Use the power of the coin book and boxes!
    Also, CAD Roll Hunter would love to join you.

  • @CasterBlah
    @CasterBlah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoyed learning about the Canadian cents, thanks!

  • @shaneyork300
    @shaneyork300 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm pretty educated on U.S. coins ( nothing like you Rob ).
    I thought I was... ok on Canada Coins but Rob you're teaching me alot. Thank you

  • @stephenbates8436
    @stephenbates8436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for posting this Rob, great info, will look forward with these pairing with the USA cent boxes! Happy Hunting! Stephen

  • @vernlapoint1528
    @vernlapoint1528 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow Rob that's a lot of Canadian cents!!!

  • @deborahhuckstep2379
    @deborahhuckstep2379 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay Canada! Your country has some cool looking coinage.🇨🇦🍁

  • @ameroamigo1
    @ameroamigo1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gotta request a video on that bucket of Maples you have there. What a great video. This has to be my favorite coin channel. I learned a great deal about the Canadian varieties in this video.

  • @wi.dave3812
    @wi.dave3812 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great book fill 👌Thanks RFT

  • @user-ey9bt7fs6n
    @user-ey9bt7fs6n ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was a fun hunt. Thanks for the educational stuff too

  • @JoeC-bz2ep
    @JoeC-bz2ep ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOOHOO....c'est magnifique.
    Been waiting for this.....

  • @silverchupacabra73
    @silverchupacabra73 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    THAT was fun! Love your hoard/barrel of Canadian cents too! That would take quite a while to go thru.

  • @daviswall3319
    @daviswall3319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Right on!

  • @grantmartinbeansinyojeans1629
    @grantmartinbeansinyojeans1629 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Rob. I didn't know how many varieties there are. Very cool!

  • @Teacher-1388
    @Teacher-1388 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun hunt.

  • @timthompson6092
    @timthompson6092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Rob I think it would be very cool to see you do a box of Canadian pennies and see what you would get that would be awesome to see

  • @followedd
    @followedd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video.
    I learned a lot.
    Love Canadian Pennies.
    Thank you Sir!

  • @everythingcollectibles
    @everythingcollectibles ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love collecting Canadian Pennies!

  • @herbertsusmann986
    @herbertsusmann986 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I was 10 years old in 1970 I started a Canadian Penny book. Back then I was able to find ones from the 20's and later (KG5's were still possible to find back then with some regularity). This was all from US circulation in the Buffalo NY area which of course was awash in Canadian coins.

  • @tonye.thegogogadgetdad9010
    @tonye.thegogogadgetdad9010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been waiting a long time for this hunt A 😍

  • @calzonemaniacsvideocorner0804
    @calzonemaniacsvideocorner0804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1948 is a scarce date for Canadian coins, surprised you actually found one! The half dollar and dollar for 1948 are easily the most expensive of the bunch, though!

  • @jboyette
    @jboyette ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's a lot of base knowledge just to get the right coins slotted. I got some Canadian penny books a while ago to do the same thing you have done but I need to go back and do it right. Thanks for the great school lesson on Canadian cents. I appreciate it.

  • @roundnshiny
    @roundnshiny ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been waiting for this for a long time! Nice

  • @COPPERMOUNTAINCOINS.
    @COPPERMOUNTAINCOINS. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't forget the different privy marks, the albums don't always have holes for all the varieties.

  • @iand6541
    @iand6541 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video!

  • @hapnation6031
    @hapnation6031 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting and informative! You answered my question already, do go through that big tub and search for varieties.

  • @CubikArtmosaic
    @CubikArtmosaic ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got a penny box on Friday and it sucked for the first 46 rolls but on roll 47 I found my 3rd copper of the box and it was a 1927 king George with 3M minted!

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      WOW! Nice find!

    • @jamesbushey4013
      @jamesbushey4013 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is a great find. I’ve been looking for that one all my life and I’ve never found it. Rarest one I ever found was 1930.

    • @CubikArtmosaic
      @CubikArtmosaic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesbushey4013 thanks!

  • @WRF-THE_Big_Nickel
    @WRF-THE_Big_Nickel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great job on the book fill. Loved the fact you are educating the masses on the Canadian varieties too. Well done !!!!!

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you brother! I appreciate you and happy birthday again!

  • @LennondaLemon
    @LennondaLemon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love you videos can wait to watch your next one

  • @matthewbarratt1040
    @matthewbarratt1040 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Being from northeast Vermont, I get a lot of canadian pennies. Loved the video Rob!!!!!!!!

  • @philipgagnon3114
    @philipgagnon3114 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Different but worth watching. Keep this kinda going. I collect canucks also.

  • @glennsaulsbury9177
    @glennsaulsbury9177 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info I learned a lot will have to check my books again to make sure of what I have.

  • @TotallyHumanSinCity
    @TotallyHumanSinCity ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lets go Canada!!!!

  • @loriwilliams-gv4yg
    @loriwilliams-gv4yg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate the information on this hunt, steel Canadian cents I've never heard of!!! Thank you for another hunt Rob😊

  • @RavenHawkCoins
    @RavenHawkCoins ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, brother! I love Canadian Coins

  • @MissMorph
    @MissMorph ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yay

  • @KillYrIdols1
    @KillYrIdols1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some banks here in Canada will still give you pennies if you ask nicely and if they happen to have any. Pre-1997 Canadian cents are copper.

  • @JamesSmith-dp3sf
    @JamesSmith-dp3sf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. I enjoy your channel.

  • @autopartsguy6972
    @autopartsguy6972 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Being Canadian , i really enjoyed this Break - i still have about 20 rolls of pennies and have almost finished my collection from 1900-2012, if you need anything rob to finish let me know and i can open the rolls or send you some to go through-
    .i am currently working on my US Pennies and as you can imagine we don't get any up here and i still need lots

  • @GinaR
    @GinaR ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed watching this video. This was a very informative video on Canadian cents.

  • @mikeetter9173
    @mikeetter9173 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now that you’re doing the Canadian cent album, can you please do a buffalo hunt and fill with your nickels?

  • @jacobbower1057
    @jacobbower1057 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I actually found a Canadian penny from 1913

  • @bradleycortright6210
    @bradleycortright6210 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative video ty. .You taught me a couple things I didn't know on varities.I dont think my older canadian cent book shows these varieties. I do have the pointed 1985 penny.Wasnt aware if the 1965 variety pointed Just the beads variety.

  • @silvadelshaladin
    @silvadelshaladin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could use some of the obverse change holes for varieties instead that aren't listed.

  • @pars5027
    @pars5027 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow

  • @gregetter6137
    @gregetter6137 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did a fill of Canadian silver 10 and 25 cent coins after i bought several ounce in siver weight bags from LCS.

  • @nicolerichter-smith2573
    @nicolerichter-smith2573 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rob, since I am in WI I love getting Canadian coins in my hunts. I also am collecting Canadian coins as well.

  • @unclecarrot8000
    @unclecarrot8000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Rob, if you ever sell a Canadian mat, I will buy it from you.

  • @partypickle3682
    @partypickle3682 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have been a fan of the Canadian cents since I started collecting, as I appreciate a look at the Mapleleaf design. Keep up the good work on the series as I look forward to seeing what you can find roll searching.

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m still finding Canadian pennies occasionally here in Florida (due to Canadian seasonal residents?) even though it’s over ten years since the last were distributed and about eleven since the last were minted. Maybe Canadians bring their stashes here to spend? Seems absurd…

    • @brendanschuett
      @brendanschuett ปีที่แล้ว

      They've been in circulation for ages, probably nobody took the time to take them out.
      Try saying that ten times fast.

  • @NickelNationCoinsMore
    @NickelNationCoinsMore ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👍

  • @jamesbushey4013
    @jamesbushey4013 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They’re all pretty easy to find from 1940 on but the 20s and 30s are pretty hard to find nowadays.

  • @brianjensen6724
    @brianjensen6724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m only missing the 1985 pointed 5 penny for my collection. I find a lot of Canadian cents in my hunts here in northern Minnesota

  • @paullabenne1552
    @paullabenne1552 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have those same books and the holes are real tight to put the cents into.

  • @jdsharp1366
    @jdsharp1366 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool to learn about Canadian cents, went through a box of Lincoln's earlier and found a 47 Canadian cent.

  • @hectormutton2542
    @hectormutton2542 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ✌️

  • @brianbroussard4433
    @brianbroussard4433 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative Rob. I actually have quite a few Canadian cents and will be starting my own books. As a side note, my last nickel search I found a 1939 P DDR.. It's in prolly about a VF 25 or 30. Still $100 coin roughly. Just wanted to let you know. Love ALL your videos. Keep em coming!!!

  • @rondougherty5481
    @rondougherty5481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you also need to look out for the 1985 pointed 5 its rare to find also i still have some cdn pennies left, also i have some 2012 that have a ettra piece of metal under the first 2 and some around the zero most of them are the steel cents'

  • @vincefunk8513
    @vincefunk8513 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Rob! Can you share the varieties list you are using, I cannot find anything online.

  • @kevinpresley3136
    @kevinpresley3136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even up here in Northern New York,all Canadian coins are hard to find.Good luck with the hunts.I'm stoked that you are doing this series.Maybe down the road a Canadian nickel series?

  • @Cp-71
    @Cp-71 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Minor correction: The P on some of these is not a mintmark - it's a composition mark :)

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you brother! I definitely wasn't fully sure why it was there but had my suspicions.

  • @jimbracknell5648
    @jimbracknell5648 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im waiting for you to find a 1936 Canadian Cent. 😁

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The infamous 1936 Dot Cent? Now that would be AWESOME!

    • @jimbracknell5648
      @jimbracknell5648 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobFindsTreasure According to PCGS there are only three of them..but the album says there are five. Not sure why.

  • @duhbeans5570
    @duhbeans5570 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello

  • @CADRollHunter
    @CADRollHunter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, Rob - I've been looking forward to this one, as you know! And you did a great job looking over and explaining the different varieties your viewers will want to look for in Canadian cents to round out their own collections. And now you've got me looking forward to a future monster hunt when you look through that huge jar of cents! One thing to keep in mind for that hunt are some of errors and rare cents in the 2000's. There are some where the penny bearing the 'P' composition mark (meant to indicate multi-ply plated steel - i.e., magnetic) were actually struck on Zinc planchets and aren't magnetic. Some can be quite valuable. You have enough there that you stand a chance of finding one! Hey, you never know!! Great job!!!

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you brother. Yes, I am aware of the later date mistakes but need to do some research to make sure I don't miss any other than the infamous 2006!

    • @CADRollHunter
      @CADRollHunter ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobFindsTreasure Really looking forward to it! (And I keep my cheat sheet handy in all my hunts so I don't miss out on one of those less common errors. With all the P's, RCM logos, no logos, magnetic, non-magnetic... well, it's enough to make your head spin!! Cheers!!

  • @cwsilversearcher3676
    @cwsilversearcher3676 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be informed the P is not a mint mark. The P means it is PLATED steel

  • @NewHaven203
    @NewHaven203 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rob I can’t even imagine seeing your entire coin collection! Idk where you even keep it? 😂

  • @tomcraig5219
    @tomcraig5219 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The oldest Canadian penny I have is a 1917 large cent

  • @orangetruckman
    @orangetruckman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤘🏻

  • @whitneydolman7422
    @whitneydolman7422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In your personal collection, did you have to buy proofs to fill in the 2007 non magnetic and the 2010 magnetic? I would be impressed if you found these two in circulation.

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      My personal book did not have the proof strikes in it but now I am intrigued to get a new book!

  • @jacobbower1057
    @jacobbower1057 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kent

  • @Crash8668
    @Crash8668 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am getting a lot of Cdn pennies soon. Is your cheat sheet available?

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      I can make it available... Let me see what I can do!

    • @Crash8668
      @Crash8668 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RobFindsTreasure my friend says he has a 5 gallon paint pail full. Any guess on how many that could be.
      Coinstar takes 12% commission on machine and I said I would tool them up for him at no charge as long as I could go through them.

  • @steelersjourney11111
    @steelersjourney11111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since You’re Doing Canadian Pennies What About Canadian Nickels ,Dimes ,And Quarters Just Saying ?

  • @SloppyStacks
    @SloppyStacks 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤘🤘

  • @mikecole819
    @mikecole819 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you get to the 1930s you wont find the 1936 "dot" under the date because theres only 3 maybe 5 and theyre all spoken for.

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      For sure. Luckily, the book has that hole filled in due to that!

  • @jacobbower1057
    @jacobbower1057 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ment

  • @nebula3471
    @nebula3471 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you do a hunt of the large jar of Canadian Cents are you going to do a slo-mo dumping it out??? 😂

  • @simonsavard8255
    @simonsavard8255 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    La monnai la plus rare dans le cent noir Canada 1800

    • @RobFindsTreasure
      @RobFindsTreasure  ปีที่แล้ว

      La plus ancienne pièce de monnaie canadienne que j'ai trouvée date de 1863