I’ve never understood why people hate the sound they make. I’d argue the flywheel noise is the best part. That way you know the gun is ready to fire. So many times I’ve been trying to toe nail with a Milwaukee in a tight spot and you never know if it’s going to fire or not. Dewalt ramps up and you know the tip is depressed enough and it’s ready to go. Also, it’s the only gun I can use without hearing protection. All the others may be quieter BEFORE you shoot. But they are all louder after
@@ZEPR0FESS0RR although I don’t disagree with you. Most issues boil down to a few simple problems that I have just come to accept as regular maintenance. Once I really figured the nailers out they are pretty easy to diagnose, I’ve had the same 2 nailers for around 3 years now and they are al I use for framing. The springs are the most common thing you need to replace, and every now and then the flywheel wears the bottom of the firing pin just enough to cause problems.
Technically no, but you’ll have to take it to a registered Dewalt technician for them to pin and weld the magazine to the gun to ensure it is not removable. Then they plug it so it can only hold 5 nails at a time. Its a real pain in the ass because the gun stops firing when theres only 3 nails remaining in the mag.
I bought one of these last week and it is exactly what I need for building at my remote site in Alaska, which is a 3+ hour drive from my house followed by a 15 mile boat ride just to get on site. This kept me from having to buy an expensive gas powered compressor to run my air nailer (my generator is too small to run an electric). Just as importantly, I didn't have to haul a heavy compressor all the way out there, or carry it up the hill to the build site from the water. Uses the batteries I already have so I didn't need to haul 2 types out.
Man DeWalt needs to make a 3 1/2 version. So don't have to put a extra nail to meet code. I knew if I waited they would make it better than the first one. And extended rack nice. Gotta run n get one now.
@@MrCubflyer well I got a pneumatic one and it only holds 3 1/4. It was black Friday left over after Christmas, not really bought on Christmas Eve for $ 120. And that why I said that , an had my eye the metabo HPT nailers
I think for basic framing and construction, this thing is legit vs setting up a compressor, or even hand driving nails. I've ordered one after passing on the previous gen 21 degree. I wear ear pro most days running a saw, so I doubt the noise will bother me. Thanks for the video!
I love the fact that it's analog! It needs to be a quality built machine that is built to last, eliminate misfires, and have high-quality parts that can easily be repaired in the field!
Thanks for the review. I've been so curious to see how this would perform. I would like to see if it can consistently drive 3" or bigger nails into lvl. I love that they were able to shave some weight, great point on analog being a good option. Definitely not a fan of flywheel noise though
The flywheel design stays cooler on hot summer days so a benefit there. So for a nice NON harsh shot, and Longevity, Metabo HPT hands down. We use them to sheet houses sometimes, 2,000 nails in under an hour, with one gun, anything over about 1000 nails almost continually firing makes very any gas type extremely unhappy. But the older generations of Dewalts never had the power for ring shanks in old rafters. And no I am not switching to slowly loosening smooth nails. And the older Dewalt driver tips mushroomed, you had to pull them and grind them smooth occasionally. My FIrst Dewalt showed 50,000 plus nails on the cycle counter.
I definitely need one of these . If the flywheel is too noisy you can always turn up the radio!! Definitely real naaaaas like. I prefer analog. It’s like an old 4c4 with locking hubs.
First gen was most durable, cant get even spare parts to those, 2nd gen they made it wear out faster and 3rd gen weight saving means weaker parts. DeWelt nailers tell how many thousand nails you have fired , by blinking its light , so in maintenance they know if customer claim low usage and its fired 20k nails,
What was the model number of the predecessor he keeps talking about? I’m trying to decide between DCN920, DCN21PL or DCN692(30 degree) for basic smaller project framing etc
I just haven't ever gotten on board with the battery framing nailers. I have a "red team" pneumatic nailer and it's amazing. It is lightweight, Magnesium body, comfortable, strong, reliable, etc. I had an older 20v DeWalt 15 degree finish nailer. It was great, but would not fire into Oak flooring. That's half of what I'd use it for. So, it is basically a trim gun. I needed something more all-around in a finish nailer. So I guess I just stayed in the pneumatic realm. EDIT: my pneumatic nailer definitely does not do any "nail tracking" what the heck is that all about? Companies needed one more data point to collect on users?
I have the prior Gen and framed a whole house with it, it still runs like a top. This one has less lag time to spin up but overall, tried and proven guns.
I've got to see this gun in person at a Home Depot and a guy asked if it's more powerful than the Milwaukee well were in Home Depot and I know they carry Milwaukee so they bought one and used a forge battery and the dewalt the small power stack 1.7 ah and still drove the nails deeper on every angle using 31/2 nails and was faster
Actually is plan to see the dewalt is smaller. 5:06 in video. It’s shorter and does it have that side pump out like the Milwaukee. It’s narrow at the tip and tapers back consistently. It’s fatter at the back end but where it matters up front its narrower and doesn’t have that offset plastic.
I am black and yellow team, spent over $300 on the first 30° 1st gen framer, which was totally garbage. Then I bought a 21° framer. It was good for a couple of years with very very light use (maybe 50 nails per month) nailing boards up in the attic to brace chandeliers. Now it started acting up. I am very disappointed. I have a huge 20v lineup tools not easy to switch brand. I use pneumatic guns for all day framing.
I have the last model ,it is excellent and I personally don't think they are as bulky as Milwaukee etc .The Dewalt nailer is reliable and fires fast ,it is well balanced. The noise is not a concern as all electric nailers make noise,I wouldn't hesitate to buy this new nailer if I needed it .
I have the previous one as well(rebuilt at that) and use it as a full time carpenter for two and a half years and I love it outside the weight. I have a paslode as well that’s quite old, and a guy I work with has the Dewalt, my Dewalt runs circles around both the other two. Had a guy helping us with the newest paslode and it was off every time we tried to fire it, drove me crazy! When it was on it just kept up wit my Dewalt. I think just some of the Dewalt are great but a large portion seem to maybe have a defect, when you have a good one they’re the best but most aren’t.
@@vincentking8874 Yep I think some early Dewalts were a bit troublesome but then again they invented electric nailers so maybe some teething troubles perhaps?
I love my milwaukee framer im no production framer but done alot of it al i can say is the dewault clobbers other brand nailer in cold climate no misfires no warm up time no proud nails in the cold just hate the noise
I can absolutely garentee that the dewalt tracks how many nails you've fired, the last ones all did it and you had to press the button in a set combo and there's alil light on the side that'll flash once for every 1000 nails, this will be no different, average of about 25/30k nails and the spring for the flywheel will be knackered and need changing, common problem with them but a cheap fix you can do yourself, anyway looks like they've taken the motor from the concrete nailer so this should be a good improvement hopefully it'll last longer than the previous gens.
Im looking forward to the new makita gun but there isnt any info on it as of yet. I refuse to grab the milwakee one as you cant service it and must send it in to get serviced.
i had one of those. its way too heavy, it need 2 secs to rotate before nailing. it broked and i bought makita for air compressor 4 times cheaper and its really pleasant to use, light, no rotation, no noise etc. even that its wired to compressor is not too uncomfortable as weight of those dewalts
Id definitely would try using it with 1.7ah powerstack. Weight is a big factor in a nail gun. Wouldnt even consider Milwaukee cus of the weight. I got the paslode right now and really want to try the dewalt to compare it.
Dewalt makes one of the best nail guns out there. This looks a lot faster than the old model. Like how quit it is. This tool is to big still.This is a 100% better now. Thank you!
Ive grown to love the flywheel design. When Im trying to engage the gun in a hard to reach awkward angle, the sound of flywheel tells me im ready to fire With Milwaukee you have no idea till you pull the trigger. Can be very frustrating.
The nonmarring tip is probably for fencing jobs and your beloved analog switches are covering up little itty bitty digital clicky buttons. So it wont be any more durable but still it's easier to use with gloves.
It does seem to work real nice like I agree love your stuff. Keep up the great videos ❤ What in your recommendations would you pick or use as far as brands Dewalt or Milwaukee leave a video in this would be AWESOME thanks
The issue with this tool is the springs and the actual hammer that pushes the nails out. It will quickly deform and the springs will become compromised leading to further hammer damage and bending. Mine lasted just over a year with light use. Do better dewalt. Change the actual problems
I'm new to this topic so maybe I'm not understanding but is the guy in the video uncertain how to pronounce "Milwaukee"? It's not just a tool brand. There is also a very large city in Wisconsin state called Milwaukee.
From the looks of it at world of concrete, I really had high hopes. Couldn’t tell in the media coverage that the flywheel was still part of the functionality of these newer models.
Dewalt is netorious for repeatedly changing the name of the tool and selling it as a different product. flying wheel nailer is not cool, but it proves to be more reliable and easy to fix
There's nothing wrong with analog settings. What is the difference? It's not any harder to change modes. Ive used tools that have had issues with changing modes on their own due to vibration with digital. A nailer wouldnt have that issue but like I said it doesn't matter. Or like dewalts variable speed grinder has a dial while flex 24v is digital and the dewalt has more speed settings
I’ve never understood why people hate the sound they make. I’d argue the flywheel noise is the best part. That way you know the gun is ready to fire. So many times I’ve been trying to toe nail with a Milwaukee in a tight spot and you never know if it’s going to fire or not. Dewalt ramps up and you know the tip is depressed enough and it’s ready to go. Also, it’s the only gun I can use without hearing protection. All the others may be quieter BEFORE you shoot. But they are all louder after
I just don’t like it because they don’t last very long. I’ve had poor performance with it
@@ZEPR0FESS0RR although I don’t disagree with you. Most issues boil down to a few simple problems that I have just come to accept as regular maintenance. Once I really figured the nailers out they are pretty easy to diagnose, I’ve had the same 2 nailers for around 3 years now and they are al I use for framing. The springs are the most common thing you need to replace, and every now and then the flywheel wears the bottom of the firing pin just enough to cause problems.
are the extended clips banned in California?
Probably 😂😂😂😂
LOL
🤣💀 Anything worth a damn is banned in California lol.
no
Technically no, but you’ll have to take it to a registered Dewalt technician for them to pin and weld the magazine to the gun to ensure it is not removable. Then they plug it so it can only hold 5 nails at a time. Its a real pain in the ass because the gun stops firing when theres only 3 nails remaining in the mag.
I bought one of these last week and it is exactly what I need for building at my remote site in Alaska, which is a 3+ hour drive from my house followed by a 15 mile boat ride just to get on site. This kept me from having to buy an expensive gas powered compressor to run my air nailer (my generator is too small to run an electric). Just as importantly, I didn't have to haul a heavy compressor all the way out there, or carry it up the hill to the build site from the water. Uses the batteries I already have so I didn't need to haul 2 types out.
There's one thing you didn't do; use 3 1/4" nails and drive them in with full depth in different materials and angles.
Man DeWalt needs to make a 3 1/2 version. So don't have to put a extra nail to meet code. I knew if I waited they would make it better than the first one. And extended rack nice. Gotta run n get one now.
@@tommychong1173 I thought this was capable of 31/2 inch nails.
@@MrCubflyer well I got a pneumatic one and it only holds 3 1/4. It was black Friday left over after Christmas, not really bought on Christmas Eve for $ 120. And that why I said that , an had my eye the metabo HPT nailers
These track the nails as well. At least the first generation did.
What’s the website that you got the extended clip from?
I think for basic framing and construction, this thing is legit vs setting up a compressor, or even hand driving nails. I've ordered one after passing on the previous gen 21 degree. I wear ear pro most days running a saw, so I doubt the noise will bother me. Thanks for the video!
I love the fact that it's analog! It needs to be a quality built machine that is built to last, eliminate misfires, and have high-quality parts that can easily be repaired in the field!
Thanks for the review. I've been so curious to see how this would perform. I would like to see if it can consistently drive 3" or bigger nails into lvl. I love that they were able to shave some weight, great point on analog being a good option. Definitely not a fan of flywheel noise though
The flywheel design stays cooler on hot summer days so a benefit there. So for a nice NON harsh shot, and Longevity, Metabo HPT hands down. We use them to sheet houses sometimes, 2,000 nails in under an hour, with one gun, anything over about 1000 nails almost continually firing makes very any gas type extremely unhappy. But the older generations of Dewalts never had the power for ring shanks in old rafters. And no I am not switching to slowly loosening smooth nails. And the older Dewalt driver tips mushroomed, you had to pull them and grind them smooth occasionally. My FIrst Dewalt showed 50,000 plus nails on the cycle counter.
I definitely need one of these . If the flywheel is too noisy you can always turn up the radio!! Definitely real naaaaas like. I prefer analog. It’s like an old 4c4 with locking hubs.
Haha, like an autograph song 🤣🤟🤟🤟
We need a TOOL DUEL!!!
One big difference over the predecessor is speed. There is almost no ramp-up time.
First gen was most durable, cant get even spare parts to those, 2nd gen they made it wear out faster and 3rd gen weight saving means weaker parts.
DeWelt nailers tell how many thousand nails you have fired , by blinking its light , so in maintenance they know if customer claim low usage and its fired 20k nails,
I wanted dewalt to make this thing like the Milwaukee but compact and it doesn't have to shoot nails like its mental, instead they double down lol
What was the model number of the predecessor he keeps talking about?
I’m trying to decide between DCN920, DCN21PL or DCN692(30 degree) for basic smaller project framing etc
What's the model number? Damn, don't you think that might be a nice addition to this video?
Yes on the Tool Duel...I will keep my Milwaukee 30 no matter what but Duel away and I'll watch.
I just haven't ever gotten on board with the battery framing nailers. I have a "red team" pneumatic nailer and it's amazing. It is lightweight, Magnesium body, comfortable, strong, reliable, etc. I had an older 20v DeWalt 15 degree finish nailer. It was great, but would not fire into Oak flooring. That's half of what I'd use it for. So, it is basically a trim gun. I needed something more all-around in a finish nailer. So I guess I just stayed in the pneumatic realm. EDIT: my pneumatic nailer definitely does not do any "nail tracking" what the heck is that all about? Companies needed one more data point to collect on users?
I have the prior Gen and framed a whole house with it, it still runs like a top. This one has less lag time to spin up but overall, tried and proven guns.
Head to head to head!!
M18 vs DeWalt vs Metabo HPT!!
Fuck yeah
I've got to see this gun in person at a Home Depot and a guy asked if it's more powerful than the Milwaukee well were in Home Depot and I know they carry Milwaukee so they bought one and used a forge battery and the dewalt the small power stack 1.7 ah and still drove the nails deeper on every angle using 31/2 nails and was faster
Actually is plan to see the dewalt is smaller. 5:06 in video. It’s shorter and does it have that side pump out like the Milwaukee. It’s narrow at the tip and tapers back consistently. It’s fatter at the back end but where it matters up front its narrower and doesn’t have that offset plastic.
I am black and yellow team, spent over $300 on the first 30° 1st gen framer, which was totally garbage. Then I bought a 21° framer. It was good for a couple of years with very very light use (maybe 50 nails per month) nailing boards up in the attic to brace chandeliers. Now it started acting up. I am very disappointed. I have a huge 20v lineup tools not easy to switch brand. I use pneumatic guns for all day framing.
I have the last model ,it is excellent and I personally don't think they are as bulky as Milwaukee etc .The Dewalt nailer is reliable and fires fast ,it is well balanced. The noise is not a concern as all electric nailers make noise,I wouldn't hesitate to buy this new nailer if I needed it .
I have the previous one as well(rebuilt at that) and use it as a full time carpenter for two and a half years and I love it outside the weight. I have a paslode as well that’s quite old, and a guy I work with has the Dewalt, my Dewalt runs circles around both the other two. Had a guy helping us with the newest paslode and it was off every time we tried to fire it, drove me crazy! When it was on it just kept up wit my Dewalt. I think just some of the Dewalt are great but a large portion seem to maybe have a defect, when you have a good one they’re the best but most aren’t.
@@vincentking8874 Yep I think some early Dewalts were a bit troublesome but then again they invented electric nailers so maybe some teething troubles perhaps?
I love my milwaukee framer im no production framer but done alot of it al i can say is the dewault clobbers other brand nailer in cold climate no misfires no warm up time no proud nails in the cold just hate the noise
I can absolutely garentee that the dewalt tracks how many nails you've fired, the last ones all did it and you had to press the button in a set combo and there's alil light on the side that'll flash once for every 1000 nails, this will be no different, average of about 25/30k nails and the spring for the flywheel will be knackered and need changing, common problem with them but a cheap fix you can do yourself, anyway looks like they've taken the motor from the concrete nailer so this should be a good improvement hopefully it'll last longer than the previous gens.
Im looking forward to the new makita gun but there isnt any info on it as of yet. I refuse to grab the milwakee one as you cant service it and must send it in to get serviced.
i had one of those. its way too heavy, it need 2 secs to rotate before nailing. it broked and i bought makita for air compressor 4 times cheaper and its really pleasant to use, light, no rotation, no noise etc. even that its wired to compressor is not too uncomfortable as weight of those dewalts
Should have tried using 90mm nails and shooting into hardwood any nailer can shoot into pine that’s hardly pushing it.
It's tool duel time!
Also is the Dewalt short enough to fit in between two studs?
Yes, it fits between 16 inch centered
Will definitely fit 👊
What 3-in budget nails work best in the 21 degree nailer ??
Clint, does the 30 and 21 degree nailer have the same piston so that magazines are interchangeable?
Lighter than the red gun!!! I’ll take the DEWALT!
Id definitely would try using it with 1.7ah powerstack. Weight is a big factor in a nail gun. Wouldnt even consider Milwaukee cus of the weight. I got the paslode right now and really want to try the dewalt to compare it.
How do they in high temp conditions mine always get to hot and stop working
It weights a 1/2 lb MORE than the DCN692B according to our weigh test. At least this is the DCN930B.. still about a lb lighter than Milwaukee. 😊
Did you have any jamming issues? Jamming has been a huge issue with dewalt cordless nailers.
I have had one jam in 18 months and it was my fault and it was very quick to clear .
Looks like twins model with craftman one which was produced 3-4 years ago. Am i wrong?
If Dewalt would have paired this with ear plugs, it would have been real Nas like:)
Would love to stay within my current battery platform. Any word if Kobalt will come out with a framing nailer?
Dewalt makes one of the best nail guns out there. This looks a lot faster than the old model. Like how quit it is. This tool is to big still.This is a 100% better now. Thank you!
The important questions is how the 3 best in class compare in weight, speed, and noise (shot noise, not the loading).
Ive grown to love the flywheel design. When Im trying to engage the gun in a hard to reach awkward angle, the sound of flywheel tells me im ready to fire With Milwaukee you have no idea till you pull the trigger. Can be very frustrating.
The nonmarring tip is probably for fencing jobs and your beloved analog switches are covering up little itty bitty digital clicky buttons. So it wont be any more durable but still it's easier to use with gloves.
Flywheel is better don't have to fill a tank after 6 months of heavy use
When do we get to a head to head battle?
Does it matter if I use different brand nails in the gun?
Nope
Thanks again Clint!!!!
Please Try some 3” and 3-1/4” ring shanks in old hard lumber.
It does seem to work real nice like I agree love your stuff. Keep up the great videos
❤
What in your recommendations would you pick or use as far as brands Dewalt or Milwaukee leave a video in this would be AWESOME thanks
I like them both. Each do a great job with their tools. Can't really go wring with either
Dude where did you come across this one. Would like site or store
The old ones just quit working from what ive seen. Bet this one holds up a lil better.
The issue with this tool is the springs and the actual hammer that pushes the nails out. It will quickly deform and the springs will become compromised leading to further hammer damage and bending. Mine lasted just over a year with light use. Do better dewalt. Change the actual problems
Called the first model. Milwaukee gen 1 where such dog shit they had to discontinue the entire gen 1 line. 😂
I have dewalt everything, but I think I’ll get the Milwaukee or an air nailer. I hate dewalt nailers
Why is the white light flashing every five second when im trying to use it.
Awesome! Just ordered from the Depot and put my previous gen on marketplace. A head to head would be cool
I got mine last week. Sold my older gen on eBay pretty quickly. I got the 30 deg model (DCN930B).
They are gonna make these more powerful more robust and more compact than any competitor will be able to get theres in time😂
whats it weigh?
Glad they did some upgrades but that flywheel is utterly annoying to hear
Much prefer the analog switches
I use a Paslode at work so the sound of the flywheel. So Whatever no difference in my mind.
I'm new to this topic so maybe I'm not understanding but is the guy in the video uncertain how to pronounce "Milwaukee"? It's not just a tool brand. There is also a very large city in Wisconsin state called Milwaukee.
I just got the milwaukee, but I will get this one for sure
From the looks of it at world of concrete, I really had high hopes. Couldn’t tell in the media coverage that the flywheel was still part of the functionality of these newer models.
How much
We need leaks on Dewalt DCF 860 and DCF 870 impacts.
But my Milwaukee 20° framing nailer has worked so well for two years 😂
As modern and updated as the catapult !!
Tool Duel...to the death?! 😂
Sticking with my Bostitch
The DeWalt is a Bostitch. Owned by same company
Pneumatic all the way. These guns are heavier and slower. I tried one and returned it.
Dewalt is netorious for repeatedly changing the name of the tool and selling it as a different product. flying wheel nailer is not cool, but it proves to be more reliable and easy to fix
I’m a dewalt guy but will not buy these guns because of the flywheel noise. Come on Dewalt get with the times.
Hate digital analog is wayyyyyy better and more durable
I'm waiting to see if they update the 18G. I hope they get rid of the recoil problem. By that I mean the flywheel has to go.
Have you reviewed the Dewalt pruning shears?
I haven't, but my neighbors just bought and love them.
@@ToolReviewZone Thank you!
There's nothing wrong with analog settings. What is the difference? It's not any harder to change modes. Ive used tools that have had issues with changing modes on their own due to vibration with digital. A nailer wouldnt have that issue but like I said it doesn't matter. Or like dewalts variable speed grinder has a dial while flex 24v is digital and the dewalt has more speed settings
Sweet I want one 😍
The idea of one of these tools being denied warranty for nail count is silly. It's even sillier than making excuses for that terrible noise. Bad tool.
How am I supposed to trust a guy that doesn't know the difference between pine and fir?
😂
Mine spends more time in the air than nailing.A jamming piece of crap!!
Terrible get a Milwaukee
Am I the only carpenter that can't stand the plastic collated nails?
Nope
a framer that doesnt like hearing noise?😂 non sense. That non marking pad is for when you're nailing down Zip Board
Motor will burn out faster
MilWalk EYE AY, ur a donut man.
😎⚒️😎⚒️😎
Oof. hammed-up/hokey pronunciation is going to keep me from watching many more of these. Hope it was a one-time thing...