If anything, the escalating anger tells me she wasn’t aware anything had happened to him. You don’t get more and more angry at someone for ‘ignoring’ you if you know they’re not responding for a reason.
Those VM’s sounded like a typical female who was home with her BF’s kids while her BF was out drinking with the boys and possibly some other ladies. They were not the words of a woman who killed her BF and knew he was already dead.
@@lilgnomey it wasn’t escalating anger. It started out as anger and escalated to a more concerned tone as she sobered up, hoping he would answer while becoming more aware of what she would have to face the next morning when she finally got the guts to go out looking for him.
I’ll never get over how KR played Brian, kissing him at Johns house, then flirting with him through texts, then totally ignored him thereafter. She was obviously having big problems in her relationship with John and knew it was going to be ending. She’s a player and a liar and a murderer trying to get away with murder.
@Elsley12 Obviously it’s awful to use someone, but it seems like she was using Higgins to sort of get back at or to get John’s attention after that situation she caught John in on vacation. Then she ghosted Higgins. Judging from their texts (he so generously saved before destroying his SIM card and throwing away his phone on that military base the day before he received a preservation order) it was obvious he was way more into her than she was to him. She sounded a lot more casual and he was asking about a serious future relationship, badgering her. He texted her a lot and it was sounding rather desperate. He also sounded angry and resentful about being ghosted, insisting that wasn’t true.
I don’t find it suspicious at all. Blackout drunk Karen caused innocent people to have to have their private lives exposed. He was a single middle aged man. No doubt he had embarrassing stuff on his phone. He would rather take the heat rather than public embarrassment. Not suspicious at all.
His phone would have potentially been a gold mine. He worked hard to destroy it. I feel sick to think when John entered the house, Higgins called out from the basement, "down here". Whatever happened, it happened quick.
The YT channel Truth Revealed has a former FBI agent who work in truth and deception. He goes through Brian Higgins, Jen McCabe and Colin Albert's testimony.
I'm not sure how a "news" show leaves out the newsworthy content. THAT was the story. When I first saw this case making news and knowing nothing about it, I assumed they arrested a guilty person. When I watched the trial I was BLOWN away at the corruption. If I were a journalist, I would be screaming it from the mountaintop. That's what the news story is.
There are no news shows anymore. Every single one is an "entertainment program" that's why they can't be sued for giving opinions as facts. Did you not learn this when they admitted it in the Rachel madcow trial?
They didn't even show the video of Karem backing into John's car when she was initially leaving that morning to go look for him! I couldn't believe of all the things they left out, that was one. And they didn't mention the federal investigation into many key players and their ties to another awful case. TB did say that he knows Matt Gutman though, and although he has to appear neutral on the network, Gutman is 100% in the Karen is innocent camp.
Yeah - I was disappointed that some of the most critical points were left out to play a both sides have points story. You can’t trust anything about the state’s side given the inverted video in court, no chain of command, not even searching the house, the connections to cops who also helped not implicate Matthew Farwell while investigating the end of Sandra Birchmore’s life. Those are not things that are in dispute. It’s not a conspiracy theory when you can show a conspiracy of corrupt cops looking out for each other already exists in that town.
That’s juror tampering. If that did in fact happen, I’m surprised the jury didn’t convict her. Thank God they didn’t. We need to uncover all the issues with this states police.
What isn't highlighted by anyone is the testimony that convinced me she was set up. The Dighton police officer who was at her father's house when her SUV was seized. This was hours after John died and the vehicle was never in her possession again. He testified that the taillight was cracked and a small amount was missing, he didn't say the whole thing was missing. So if most of the light was on the car then, how did it end up on the Albert's lawn hours, days and weeks later. I had wondered why such big red pieces were not able to be found on the lawn for weeks.
I bring this up every time someone talks about the case. Also the text that was added to the video AFTER it was flipped proves someone flipped it on purpose.
My guess? They weren't found until later because it was a snowstorm that night and they were plowed off the street and every time the snowplow passed during the storm, they got buried deeper and deeper as the snow piled higher and higher on top of them... How's that? Reasonable?
@@A_girl_named_Joey I agree..Im wondering why the Dighton cop didn’t testify that the taillight was only cracked with one small piece missing… also the tow truck driver… although he would probably be afraid to lose the contract if he went against the Canton cops.
I was just in Tallahassee and met one of the officers involved in the Markel case. He said he’d listened to wire taps and participated in surveillance during the investigation, even involved in the search for the murder weapon. I asked if he thought Wendy would be on trial next and he said absolutely!
I honestly feel like the FBI would not have stuck their necks out and sent people to actually testify if there was any chance his injuries could have been caused by a vehicle. There are way too many people in and out for that to have happened and nobody seen or heard it. ❤❤
The FBI only retained the experts for the investigations, the, weren't sent by them. The defense had them under subpoena. You can order private individuals to testify if they have relevant knowledge. If they were to testify federally their contract with the FBI would likely see them paid for their time.
At different times she asked or stated different things. On the phone, she questioned (either Jen McCabe or Roberts) if she hit him, or could she have hit him. But it was in the presence of 4 witnesses later that morning when they were doing CPR on John that she repeatedly said "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" when questioned by the EMT. That was confirmed by 4 people, the two fire/EMT, and Karen McCabe and Roberts. Also, it wouldn't makse sense for Karen to respond to the question with the repeated question "Did I hit him, did I hit him, did I hit him, did I hit him?".
Exactly. I have been horribly abused and at some point because of the trauma I would ask myself if I deserve it or if it was my fault or if I caused it. And it was all the pain and hurt creating all that confusion.
It wasn’t normal trauma. Geez, she screamed JOHN, I HATE YOU! And called him 53 times thereafter including a call to her dad at 2am telling him, dad, I think I hit something. C’mon folks, think logically, she’s sooo guilty!!
Family always wants a person to blame. My sister died of natural causes at 46. My whole family was up at arms , looking for someone to point a finger at. I think it's just human nature.
Exactly! My SIL died at 45 of natural causes twelve years ago and one of my husband’s sister still believes her husband (who has since also passed away) killed her.
So many feel the need to point the finger. Good for you‼️ Personally I feel it's a personal time for mourning and allowing the Soul to move on in peace. I watch all these cases, chaos and fiascos and the worst part is for that soul.
Kerry Roberts testified that JO’s mom was already mad at Karen on the way to the hospital saying “she just left him there?!” …when learning she had dropped him off at the party. So it’s possible there was already this conflict between them.
Peter . I started watching you when Depp vs Heard. You had 85 thousand subs ? Right ? Or 110 ?you have 422 thousand. 300 thousand in 2 years. That’s shows how hard you work . Shows how many people love you . A million subs by the New Year. Thank you for explaining everything.
Did I imagine Lucky saying he saw Brian’s car parked in front of the flagpole at 3:30 am and it wasn’t there before? To me, that is HUGE and no one talks about it. Do they not believe Lucky?
I don’t think we know for sure whose car it was because Higgins was in his jeep before he left 34 Fairview I believe. I’m surprised that the defense cannot find out whose car it was somehow. Like they could check video cameras around that timeframe.
Karen sought out a lawyer because she thought she was going to get a DUI charge that is how Yennetti came about..to me this case just got interesting..now Im thinking the Feds brought in AJ..but before this, they seen something they didnt like, thats where the last 3 Fed witnesses came in for the Defense..to the tune of 500 thousand dollars..but then here comes the Judge who stopped with her Sustains every 2 seconds so he didnt get to try the case as he and Yennetti wanted..they would have won it hands down..so next best thing was to get a miss trial..then a retrial where the game changes as now they can bring in stuff that wasnt allowed in the first trial..there is no way she hit him with the SUV..she pulled up to the driveway, they talked a few minutes, he got out on the driveway, not the grass or the curb, she watched him walk up the driveway to the side door, not the front door,isnt that interesting in itself the side door, who told him to come there, is that information on the missing phones, she waited a few mins, got annoyed and left as he didnt come out like he was suppose too..tell them the guy didnt come to the house..should be first clue he did, then you have JM frantically looking for his phone in the house, didnt know where it was, that was all the dials to his phone..would be second clue that he was in the house..
Karen was blackout drunk. She doesn’t even remember dropping him off. Her story is fabricated. After dropping him off she drives back to John’s house and calls him wanting to know where the hell he was.
It’s pretty common in MA to worry about getting hit by a plow. When we have snow storms I make my kids play in the back yard for fear of plows hitting them in the front yard. Also I believe they wanted to blame lucky so it wouldn’t surprise me if Ms McCabe put the idea in her head he was hit by a plow
I totally disagree. To have one biased side out there they can dehumanize Karen which they are doing and Karen has every right to stand up for herself. Besides, where has she been talking? Other than the 2020 show?
Peter, all these arguments and how KR's case stands is really a "My Cousin Vinny" moment. Vinny: "Miss Veto, does the defense's case hold water?" Miss Veto: "No, the defense is wrong" Vinny: "Why?" And, she goes on to explain how the defendant's car could never be the one at the scene. AJ and DY presented 3rd party culprit. Lally successfully confused the jury with 60+ witnesses of hearsay. See TurtleBoy's interview with one of the witnesses describing the deliberations. Lally had them a confusion over the stupidest things and they were effectively thrown off all logic, and proceeded on "feelings" and their own "personal logic". In 2nd trial, the defense has to go hard on physics and engineering. In other words, go full on with experts to prove the impossibility of a pedestrian strike. The jury didn't get it AT ALL with the AARCA guys, AND, the defense missed the judge instruction that the jury NOT think at all of their own personal knowledge. The jury had among them an engineer, a nurse, a lawyer, and an EMT, and the foreman, a former LE, did not permit these to argue their knowledge based on judge instruction. The juror interview was with the EMT guy, THAT was wrong. My opinion: the jury hung because of feelings and opinions.
I didn’t watch the episode, but here for your perspective. Quite honestly, I wish she would remain silent!!!! It’s in her best interest to keep her mouth shut!!!!!!
Ya, and I know she's been threw it...alot of it. I know she's so ready to get this behind her. But in my opinion, it will be in her best interest to not come off as cocky. Honestly, she probably hasn't even grieved yet.
I haven’t watched it either but she’s under contract for an exclusive story with Vogue so I don’t know how she’d be ok doing an interview with 20/20. 🤷♀️
@@l.a.w.79 I’m pretty sure she did this 20/20 interview a year ago…before the trial. I agree with you…she comes across as guilty when she says that she was angry at John that night. I do hope she does no more interviews.
It’s almost always in one’s best interest to keep one’s mouth shut. My mother tried to tell me that her whole life. It’s doubly important in a court case!!!!!
I appreciate your channel and chat so much. I made a comment about my opinion of KR’s innocence on another channel and the TH-camr indicated that anyone that thought that she was innocent is being deceived and lacking brain cells. Appreciate how you would never speak that way to either side regardless of one’s opinion. We need more of the mindset of “agreeing to disagree” in this world. Thanks for all that you do!
Amen to that! Our world would be markedly better if people stopped forming an opinion about absolutely everything, at the early stages, and then insist on being right!
I think Karen accidentally hit him, and I voiced my opinion here. Some lady keeps commenting that I’m daft and probably can’t read and a bunch of other loony talk. This space is good for Karen supporters though.
@@kristyyy569 But how can you say KR accidentally hit JOK when forensics testified that a car could not have done what was accused. They refuted this claim.
@@jupiterchance7495 there were experts on both sides remember? That one expert showed how she backed up and hit something and that matched perfectly with John’s steps and phone data
People don't realize that when you are shocked by such a thing as finding someone you love dead, you're mind tends to go bonkers trying to process what happened to a point that it is not rational... you are in shock. When I woke up and found my beloved cat deceased in my living room for no apparent reason, I was in shock... all kinds of irrational thoughts went through my head... did I forget to lock the pet door and did an animal get in the house and kill him, did he get shocked and killed by the outlet... your brain goes crazy with "did (this) happen"? I also felt immediate guilt, that somehow it was my fault, and I felt guilt that I was asleep when it happened. I had to know what happened so I had the vet do an autopsy and It turned out that it was an unforeseeable medical condition and had I been awake, the vet said there was nothing I could've done. Only after the vet told me this was I able to fully realize that I'd done nothing to cause what happened and it eased my guilt. I'd had my cat in for a well pet check just two months prior and he was seemingly very healthy... the vet told me that the medical issue would've only been found if an X-ray had been done and you don't X-ray a seemingly healthy cat. I think Higgins' snow plow had something to do with it, whether JO fell down and Higgins didn't see him or whatever. I strongly feel that Higgins is deeply involved somehow.
I watched the 20/20 and definitely think it skewed toward the CW. A few of my thoughts 1. It's obvious from the VMs that she was angry @ John. 2. The 2020 episode left out very large amount of the evidence in the case and they skewed it to seem like the supporters were ill-informed because of TB. 3. KR thought about a lawyer before the call from Proctor. 4. John's BAC way above the legal limit but he didn't "appear" drunk in the video. He was Hammered! 5. The feeling Karen got from his mother was what prompted her thought of them blaming her. Absolutely 💯 believe you can get vibes from a single look 6. The feds investigating is a huge detail to leave out of the episode
I’m in the UK, so have been unable to watch the episode but I’m sure they weren’t legally allowed to say a lot of stuff. For instance, I know that even though it’s common knowledge in certain groups that the FBI are/were involved, that still wouldn’t be allowed to be disclosed in the retrial. So to put it in a TV show, I guess, wouldn’t be legal.
@@mandystrong8196 I agree about the federal investigation. Karen “loved” John , it would be great if she would put a stop to her supporters harassing John’s beloved parents. I was shocked by all this. Read needs to stop talking.
@@Brooke2000because that's not the truth. You can't believe anything the MSM says, they lie about everything. 2020 was skewed against KR and things were made to look a certain way. Karen's supporters myself included have a problem with Paul O'Keef mostly because he is a grifter & a criminal and is suing KR and the 2 bars she was served at. Anyone with half a brain watching that trial can see KR didn't kill John so why don't they care about getting actual justice for John? Because they can't sue for the money if she's found innocent. That is disgusting in itself. Just because someone is family doesn't mean they are good ppl but it wasn't them who was being harassed, it was the murdered, the McAlberts and the McCabe's who first cried harassment and they weren't even getting harassed. It's all a bunch of lies to scu the public against KR and for the CW!
“Noone saw a thing”because John wasn’t there out front till they all left! He was brought out from the basement back yard door…would have taken 2 people to do that…
And the fact that he could have possibly still been breathing at that point in time.,.. that's why Jen liar McCabe googled at 2:27 a.m. ....how long to die in the cold 🤬
@@astrialindah2773 You’re a fool! The 2:27am time stamp was completely dismantled by two of the world’s leading forensic experts! That search time never happened and if you believe it did, you’re mentally challenged
@@astrialindah2773 Karen liar Read said she saw him go up the steps and into the house, so then how could she have thought she might have backed into him?
I have so many mixed emotions and thoughts about 20/20! All the footage was before the first trial, other than some of Karen and her attorneys walking into court and supporters at the beginning of trial . This entire case is pulling on my heart . 20/20 didn't present enough actual facts, zero interviews with Lead Investigators , or the Prosecution, not enough info of the Federal Investigation into the investigation and no talk about the zero police presence during arraignments, pre-trial hearings or the trial of a Fallen Officer . Prayers to Officer O'Keefe's Niece and Nephew ,to Karen and his family 💔 . This is so wrong, OJO deserves Justice 🙏 MSP and Canton PD failed him.
Hier incident with the mother of JOK explains also why she behaved "oddly"that night, his brother said how cold she acted, but if this is true, she didn't feel welcome but as a suspect.
Except, they kept trying to push that there was only a small crack in her taillight while it was at Dighton, which was after when John’s mom would have seen it. Yet Karen thought it was so obvious John’s mom saw it and blamed her? Meanwhile Kerry said in court that while she was driving in the car with Karen and Jen that John’s mom was upset that she dropped him off and didn’t see where he went and left him there…so which is it. Her story constantly adapts to what she needs.
I also find it weird that 20/20 didn’t put in the fact that members of the Albert clan tried to intimidate Karen, her team and 20/20 staff when they were filming close to their pizza shop … standing in front of their car… telling them to get out of their town… and circling around Allen jackson. This is the only 20/20 story… were the prosecutors… direct family members, the lead investigater and “witnesses” (Albert’s/mccabes) didn’t speak out in the story 🙄
You are confusing the facts here. You are probably thinking about how Turtleboy chased down and filmed himself harassing witnesses that were testifying against KR
Agree. But she still didn’t hit him with a car. But that part always looks bad when you say anything more than 2 drinks. 4 for her seems like a lot though. She’s either the best actress ever with those voice mails to John or she’s innocent lol. She sounded like a woman that had to watch the kids AGAIN bc he’s out drinking!
@@jakemiller4411 I agree. She for sure could have been arrested for a DUI potentially if they pulled her over that night. I live in MA and most people here feel this case is a complete waste of time. ARCA / Feds proved there was no accident and the fact they looked into the case at all screams something fishy. They almost never get involved. The birchmore case here in the same town was another one where Feds stepped in and actually arrested the cop involved. Something the state police didn’t do for 3 years with the same evidence!! Point is she drove drunk …to what degree who knows…maybe she wasn’t that bad…or maybe she was. She’s guilty of that In theory .. but no one here in MA thinks she did it.
@@freshstartpaintingShe dropped him off using her vehicle. John did not have transportation obviously. Then she blows his phone up wanting to know where the hell he is and why he wasn’t home yet? Tat makes no sense.
@@mandystrong8196 I get what you’re saying, but it does make sense if you think about it. Based on all of the text messages we heard in court John clearly had a pattern of drinking and staying out late. She’s no angel either but it sounds like this was an ongoing issue with them. She drops him off at the house. He goes into make sure it’s OK for them to go inside. I know they were invited but they didn’t know each other super well and it was late at night. If They had followed somebody home from the bar and arrived at the house at the same time they would’ve all gone in together. They arrived alone so I can see why he jumped out of the car to double check before she parks and gets out. Now to your point. She drops him off and is waiting for some sort of signal that it’s OK to go in. That could be him coming back to the car or he could text or call her inside. Five or 10 minutes goes by with no response. she’s like F this and leaves. In hindsight she could’ve gone in but based on previous history it sounds like she wanted to make a point by leaving as she was fed up with this behavior. His house wasn’t that far away anyway. To your point, she knows that he doesn’t have a ride home so she’s staying awake angrily texting him and calling him. The voicemails are bad because she’s pissed off that she hasn’t heard from him but there’s also a lot of worry in her voice with each passing call or text with no response. There’s things she could’ve done differently but the way the scenario played out in real time makes sense.
Peter, I know you dont drink, but in Massachusetts, when a cop (or your parents, lol) asked you how many drinks you had, you divide it by two. So Karen had at least 8 :D
My guess is that Karen’s instinct about John’s mom’s thoughts were spot on. And maybe she never approved of Karen… how many times do we see a mom not approve of her son’s female partner?
6:49 @lawyeryouknow If you recall during Kerri’s testimony, she stated when she was driving the Okeefs to the hospital she over heard a phone call between them and Karen. Peggy was IMMEDIATELY blaming karen… yelling and accusing her of just leaving him…. so much so that John’s dad stepped in and told Peggy we aren’t going to blame karen and it wasn’t her fault. Again this was Kerri’s recounting on the stand. So early on possibly before they had even gotten to the hospital she was blaming Karen. I believe Karen’s reason to go back To John’s was to sit with the children while they told them what happened as Paul stated in his interview. He also said something about him having to tell Peggy as well that they weren’t going to blame karen so clearly Peggy had her thoughts on what happened pretty quickly which probably validates Karen’s suspension about the vibe and why she was very uncomfortable. Karen was grieving as well but It’s not her home, It’s Johns and all his family is there consumed in their grief. If it were myself I would have felt very out of place without the accusations and unsure if I should be there. It wasn’t the time for it to be about her grief, so I believe that why she got her stuff, took her car and went to her parents to grieve around people she felt comfortable with and that cared about her.
The Jury Misconduct Is way More News worthy. JURY TALKED WITH THEIR FAMILY ABOUT TURTLE BOY! They Though Turtle Boy Paid ARCCA to come in as a "3rd Party" omg 😂
The ex gf from 20yrs ago comes off as a creepy, unhinged, stage 5 clinger. She had a custom made necklace with his badge number, her entire instagram (a whole 8 photos) is entirely dedicated to John. Every photo presented of them on the 20/20 was from decades ago when they dated, nothing recent to show they still had some sort of tight relationship. Its no wonder her husband left her. That is one psychotic woman.
If she testifies, she will have much explaining to do! Her story is full of lies and that needs to be addressed. My guess is she will have to accept a plea bargain or be jailed for a much longer time period.
My problem with the whole conspiracy thing... where's the evidence? Not "it could totally work this way" or "well they're all liars", but evidence that disproves their testimony or supports your theory. And when I ask, people get mad.
This isn’t a new interview, I saw this interview while she was doing her first trial and i thought they would play this in court the first time. If you look at the first time she did it was a while back like a year ago.
At the scene she was in shock. From my own experience of myself and friends in an emergency situation I can perfectly understand why she would ask “did I hit him”. Her shocked mind was searching to make sense of something that didn’t make sense to her and that was one thing that came to mind along with possibly the snowplow. It’s normal for victims of tragedies and crimes to blame themselves even if they’re not guilty. It’s part of the process of our need to feel we have control in our lives when something horrible happens. What if what if ….
Yes, but if she SAW him go up the steps and into the house, as she claimed, why would she think she could have possibly backed ino him with her car? Either she saw him go into the house or she didn't
At first I was thinking they were in the weight room and he fell back and hit his head on a weight, but then when the back door came into play, I wondered if he was pushed down the stairs and his head hit the door knob causing the 2 inch gash and the head fractures..as that all got changed as well as the basement floor, 3L of blood was lost..
@@shaylynned8786 if that did happen, why would he be on the lawn? And what would explain his fallen shoe? Wouldn’t that be not frozen and maybe inside? My question is if he got beat up why would they put him on the lawn? For what reason?
@@shaylynned8786 The 36 steps registered on his phone after his limp body suddenly "came back to life", those were the two or three men (six legs total) rocking and swaying and shifting as they inched his limp body up the stairs out into the back yard. The 36 "forward" steps are actually the fourth flight of stairs that were missing from their phone data.
@@marzygirl I agree it doesn’t make sense for them to “hide his body” right out on the lawn. But it is possible that the dog jumped on him (during a fight or after being commanded to) and nobody saw him leave the house and pass out on the lawn from the head gash (however that happened). But they didn’t bother checking because they were all drunk. I don’t understand the lying though by the witnesses for the prosecution. Why lie? To cover up what? And why didn’t they seem more concerned. Karen acted more like someone would in that situation.
Agree. Also makes no sense for her to be angrier as the night went on, with him not coming home, if she knew he was already dead. When she felt he was blowing her off, ignoring her.. you could hear from the messages that is what made her madder and madder. It just makes more sense that she left him at the house angry when he didn't come back out and then got more upset the longer she waited for him to come home and thought he was ignoring her. Which also in her mind made her feel used as a caretaker for the kids while he just partied it up. Also, Jen said she spoke with them on the phone to give directions. How come Jen didn't hear any frustration or tension in either of them if Karen was mad enough to run him over in a fit of rage just minutes later? They were only a few blocks away from 34 FV at that point. It just makes no sense.
@@diverightin9243 Maybe as she got more and more black out drunk, she forgot that she left at a house in a blizzard with no ride home after "possibly" angrily drunkenly slamming her car backwards into him before she took off to his house to angrily call him 53 times screaming at him and calling him names.
I watched the 20/20 episode on Hulu. She has to testify to show her compassionate side. This 20/20 was cruel to Karen. But first, Karen has to stop supporters from harassing John’s parents & family. I was crying watching 20/20 with my roommates …for his elderly parents, family, the funeral- the bagpipers ….the Blue Line…very sad. Also, she should get rid of this turtle man….he will lose this case for her and must be making a fortune off of her. AJ wasn’t able to prove the “Frame” defense….I wish she never hired him. Dan Rashbaum couldn’t prove his defense theory either and his client got life in prison.
As a first reaction, I would have been a mess and spinning through tons of thoughts. And, just like me, once things settle down a bit, I start thinking more clearly. I can more methodically put together what I feel happened. I can relate to Karen Read's reaction to quite a few situations.
I really love your channel, Peter! It’s so relaxing listening to you and I’m learning so much about the law! I was already interested prior to finding your channel, but now I am even more enthusiastic and am looking into going back to school to study law and/or criminal Justice. Thank you for your service! ✌️ With this particular case, I was so convinced that Karen Read was guilty of at least one of the counts- up until the very end when the two Orca experts testified! Really threw me for a loop and now I am more in the middle of the road.
I ALWAYS felt that most jurors would not have a clue who the third party expert was - and - without knowing would respond differently because of the lack of knowledge. Not my favorite thing that they couldn't mention "FBI"
Sidenote, unless someone specifically asks for comments/suggestions on their appearance keep your thoughts to yourself. Unless I missed it, I didn’t catch Peter saying he wanted everyone’s input on his facial hair. It’s rude, TBH
20/20 didn’t show Karen backing into JOK’s SUV in the driveway explaining the crack on the tail light or the inverted video with missing time or the apple health data or chloe. Or butt dials Too many to count. Left out a ton of critical info and was definitely slanted against Karen Reed.
I thought it was wild of them to claim in court that Apple health data is not very accurate and going up/down a hill in a car would give the stairs results. Apple health isn’t perfect but it’ll know when you’re going up/down stairs, that’s for sure
The video of KR barely tapping JOK"s SUV did not show any broken taillight pieces on the ground, so that doesn't make any sense that that's when it broke.
Replay crew! 🫶🏽 I was in Yellowstone National Park yesterday sans reception, so I am getting caught up on the YT videos that I missed. Thank you Peter for continuing to keep us updated on this case. 💞
It would be more accurate to focus on the evidence presented in the case rather than speculating about conspiracy theories. The defense's primary objective is to demonstrate Karen's innocence, which she is!!
😮….….The jurors were told they weren’t aloud to sign off on just two charges and it had to be all 3?? 😮……And Bev knows this and still wouldn’t talk to the jurors and get the facts?? She’s just as corrupt as the cops and DA. 😮 Send them all to jail.
Wrong. Defense team pushed for the judge to accept the hung jury and was very happy with it. If they had asked for more info, the judge would have done that. Instead, defense team was happy, hugging each other. Karen running to her dad.
Those statements made Karen sound even more crazy and/or guilty in my opinion. Paranoid. Parents/family did not accuse her, but she “felt the accusation” from his mom’s eyes. 🙄 Sounds like consciousness of guilt to me.
I recall her waking up the niece to get Jens number and said jealous things about where he was because never came home. The hitting him with a car came from Jen
If Karen thinks no way she hit him, she was barely buzzed why did she search for a DUI attorney? Also you neglected to mention the jurors thought she was responsible even if it wasn’t on purpose which means they thought she was drunk, as proven by the blood test.
She's smart, that's why she knew to lawyer up. As you can see, all it takes is an accusation. And she was up against cops. I would have not been that smart, sad to say.
I found Karen to be contractictive in her words. Even at first time for charges hearing, Atty Yannetti said it was not on purpose or intentional, but there was an accident. Karen said that her tail light was broken, and that her father was checking a bulb to see if operational, but it was not that bad earlier (cracked). She searched for the DUI lawyer right away and was sensing John's mother thought she did it??? Guilt Karen also said to the niece and said John was hit by a plow?? Why would Jen take the call from Karen if they were trying to cover up something?? Karen was drunk and still legally drunk 9 hours later and did not probably know she hit John, and her computer for backup camera detected a incident. She was also very angry with John. The vehicle went to Dighton for her ride with her father and already damaged before it was seized and at the same time tail light pieces were planted?? Where is the dna from all the folks dragging John outside, putting him by the curb, placing his cell phone under him, put the broken glass by him, sneaker off, hat off, etc. C'mon Guilt of DUI and Manslaughter #JohnOkeefe
If in the relationship between Karin and John‘s mom was not the greatest let’s just say that would probably be where she would feel about anger initially Dr. from losing her son, but seeing this woman in front of her and want to blame somebody, everybody wanted to point fingers looking for a easy scapegoat rather than seeking truth through an honest investigation
I found it interesting that when she first realized he didn't come home she thought to go look at the bar first. I think she was so drunk she did not remember at first about going to the Alberts, or she would have went there to look for him first. ❤❤
She did not that was said by Jen mctooth it’s not true. They diverted he to other places like Jen telling her to go back to Johns first after she left Jen’s house even though she had just left there.
But if she wasnt out of her mind or wasted, she would have been more confident in her recall but she didnt seem to realize she was being manipulated. @bluj5917
@bluj5917 Agree. When your significant other is not home & it is very uncharacteristic your first thought is something bad happened. You are out of your mind with worry & almost impossible to think straight.
John O Keefe Potentially Wearing NIke Shoes 👟 SLIPS On Ice 🧊 & Snow ❄️ Into A Backing SUV Vehicle 🚗 &/or SUV 🚙 Wheels SLIDE Unintentionally : Purely Accidental
If I were a juror the upfront claim of conspiracy would have definitely turned me off. Would have worked on me much better to focus on “it’s impossible” and let me discover the conspiracy stuff as it went along.
I think they were just trying to find anyone close to JJ to talk to since the family isn’t talking, for good reason. To me it came off as shown done in order to fill airtime, but not being a regular viewer maybe this is their standard fare. I do feel for the family, and hate that people’s zeal for KR makes them feel the need to attack the victims.
@@grimtt I also feel for the family. However, I cannot help but feel they are pinning this on Karen for the wrong reason. They most definitely know the truth. They are either ignoring the truth because they are afraid of the killers or they truly are fond of them and will blame anyone else. Poor Karen was at the right place at the wrong time. *FKR*
At the time she was traumatized and with a bunch of people surrounding her gas lighting her to make her question her own reality and that traumatized her more! Omg can’t even imagine. Evil people
Karen Read is innocent. Canton has so much corruption in the police department and the town that it’s crazy. For 20/20 to bring out an ex girlfriend who is still obsessed 10 YEARS after they broke up! She’s ridiculous looking for her pathetic five minutes of fame. The evidence shows Karen didn’t hit him. He was beaten to death by the home owner, his pal with a crush on Karen and the home owners punk nephew. Karen will never get a fair trial. The Alberts have that town wired to believe in whatever they want them to believe. John’s body had wounds consistent with a beating and bite marks and scratches from a dog. Brian Albert is a MMA fighter. John had two black eyes, a bleeding nose and mouth and multiple bruises about his head as well as a broken skull. The wounds on his head are not consistent with being hit by a car going 24 miles per hour in the dark in the wind and snow under the influence of alcohol in reverse for 67 feet. Sober people have tried to recreate this and they couldn’t do it! Higgins had issues with with John OKeefe, Collin Albert had issues with John OKeefe and Brian Albert had issues with John OKeefe. John OKeefe was beaten to death and dumped like trash in the yard.
I just watched 20/20 Karen Read: The Perfect Storm last night. So sad how many supporters harass the parents of John O’Keefe. On the show , it looked horrible. Why doesn’t Karen put a stop to it? The potential jury is watching this and it was definitely Pro-Prosecution. I was crying with my roommates last night! Why on earth would she do this interview? It doesn’t make sense.
Paul’s mother was saying things and acting passive aggressive towards her and that’s why she left she wanted to be with her parents. Johns mom yelled at her about leaving John there as if he wasn’t a grown azz man
@@bluj5917ok, but they tried to push that it was a tiny crack in her light, not broken…but she thought John’s mom was blaming her because she “saw my broken taillight” in her grief, in a snowstorm with strong winds, coming from hospital to her sons house to tell her grandkids their 3rd parent is now gone. So was it broken or cracked at that hour? She hadn’t even taken it to Dighton yet.
@@MAgirlie broken is cracked. Cracked is a weird way to emphasize that something is broken. Especially if you’re lying that something is cracked but not completely broken.
@@CopsDaughter well those are Karen and her teams words, cracked not broken. Implying the pieces were still mostly there. So how was Mrs O’Keefe suddenly seeing that?
She thought he got hit by a plow because it was a blizzard and no one else was on the road. (Welcome to Boston winters Florida). 😊 I’m CERTAIN, (in the first hours), she NEVER thought the people inside of the house UNALIVED him!?!?
@@sandrasomewhere EXACTLY!! If you have lived in the NE for any winter season this is NOT a crazy thought! They literally shut down the roads at points except for emergency vehicles. I love Peter and his unbiased take on things- he just tries to focus on the evidence BUT in this case - it might be difficult to understand the context/comment about the snow plow when you have lived your whole life in Florida. 🙂
@@sandrasomewhere - Additionally - no one’s FIRST thought would be that the people you had just spent the evening with UNALIVED him!!! 🤦🏼♀️ It's all so messed up. She IS FACTUALLY innocent, I have no doubt!
It sounds like his family was already looking at her sideways starting at the hospital. If his friends didn’t like her, I’m sure his family gossiped with them about her like the rest if the rest of them are all townies. Seeing how his family has behaved during the trial, it would not surprise me if they were cold to her that day.
Watching the trial, KR looks like the cold one. Also, she was the one that didn't want to go into the party with JOK, which also looks pretty cold. If she would have gone into the party, maybe JOK would still be alive
To say Karen’s first thought was Did he get hit by a plow- that was after Jen said he never showed up and he wasn’t answering - I think my mind would start reeling as I tried to process what was happening
@@CopsDaughtershe also woke his niece up at 4:30am saying she thought she might have done something, something is wrong, not sure if she mentioned plow…but she did to Jen and Kerry whether it was on the phone or once they started driving around. Wouldn’t your first thought be, we were drinking, I left, he had no ride, he must have crashed on someone’s couch…not oh he walked in a blizzard in the middle of the night and got hit by a 15:14 plow…unless she was the one trying to put out a plausible reason they were going to find him on the lawn.
@@MAgirlie wasn't that her reason for waking up the niece? Karen didn't have McCabe's number so woke up the niece. Noone knows what was said between them, she may have checked and I did read they thought he may have crashed at a friend's who lives close by (he's on McCabe's call records at around 5.30am). If she knows officer O'Keffe would never leave the kids alone overnight there's going to be some panic there.
@@MAgirlie she didn’t wake up his niece saying she might have done something. That’s a ridiculous statement. She didn’t know where he was, just that he wasn’t answering and didn’t come home. I certainly wouldn’t think he was crashing on coco’s couch but that’s why Karen asked her niece for phone numbers as she was looking for John. if she thought he may have tried walking home, it’s not ridiculous to think of the dangers of snow plows at night. Maybe they’re cleverly adamant he wasn’t in the ‘house’ because he was only in the ‘basement’. Just look at his injuries and everything else from Jen making phone calls and not going in the house for help and them not coming out etc etc etc etc etc. I don’t think you really believe what you’re saying, or you haven’t looked at the facts of this case. The Feds know Karen didn’t kill John. And they watched the crime further unfold and REVEAL ITSELF. I hope you get my gist. Aside from all the presented evidence there’s so much more they haven’t even touched on. Fighting corruption takes time. Here’s some educated perception- if Karen left him for dead at 12:30 am with his head injury with temps in the teens, not dressed properly in the wet snow and wind, high blood alcohol level, incapacitated to not even being able to shiver which is the natural response in order to survive, his core temp would have been less than 80* by 5:30 am. He wouldn’t have been alive. His body wasn’t there by 2:30 am when all guests had left and Lucky plowed. There was no blob or body there. They put him out after that time. That’s why he was technically still alive. Jen knew it was close but it’s too difficult to discern hos long to die as his head injuriy, alcohol consumption, clothing, and wet weather all factor in to Hos long it would take his body to die. They dug up the blood soaked cement - but not in the house, in the basement. I’ve heard they have the construction tools-I’m hoping they knew where the debris went. I feel like I’m talking on deaf ears though. Even if Karen did it, she should have been found not guilty as there’s overwhelming reasonable doubt. So, why was the jury so confused 🤔
I don't believe Karen did it as the evidence is pretty clear he wasn't hit by a car, however, Karen does not come across well in person. I don't know if that is illness or stress, but she isn't particularly likeable from my perspective, unfortunately. Just because a person might not be likeable to some, it doesn't mean she deserves to be falsely convicted.
Thought it wasn’t a great look when she was talking about being out on bail with trial looming as “being in purgatory“ while she’s making a latte, wearing tailored clothes and living in nice digs. Not that all of those things are wrong but the way that scene played out spoke Privilege imo.
Yes, I mean I know she is a privileged woman. That is not the issue. I don't think Karen is a bad person because of that and I don't think that is what you were meaning. I think she isn't all that clear when communicating and some of her statements, whilst unintentional, come off as confused and contradictory. I have no doubt the morning she found John dead in the snow was horrific and that going through all of this would be traumatising. I think it is best if she doesn't testify personally. The corruption in Canton and seemingly throughout Massachusetts is very concerning.
@Peter Very early on, the CW declared they had ring camera footage of the "accident". So, early on, the defense thought they were dealing with the possibility that she had accidentally hit him. That ring camera footage never eventuated. It never existed! This explains why Yanetti made certain statements early on.
The voicemails were angry the later it got. Being angry does not make you a murderer.
If anything, the escalating anger tells me she wasn’t aware anything had happened to him. You don’t get more and more angry at someone for ‘ignoring’ you if you know they’re not responding for a reason.
right look at all what murdaugh and scott peterson sent their significant others. hers was vastly different
Right it's normal especially if your partner is drinking.
Those VM’s sounded like a typical female who was home with her BF’s kids while her BF was out drinking with the boys and possibly some other ladies. They were not the words of a woman who killed her BF and knew he was already dead.
@@lilgnomey it wasn’t escalating anger. It started out as anger and escalated to a more concerned tone as she sobered up, hoping he would answer while becoming more aware of what she would have to face the next morning when she finally got the guts to go out looking for him.
I’ll never get over Brian Higgins destroying his phone. It’s too suspicious
I’ll never get over how KR played Brian, kissing him at Johns house, then flirting with him through texts, then totally ignored him thereafter. She was obviously having big problems in her relationship with John and knew it was going to be ending. She’s a player and a liar and a murderer trying to get away with murder.
He is very suspicious in all ways.
IMO, He is one of the guilty ones
@Elsley12 Obviously it’s awful to use someone, but it seems like she was using Higgins to sort of get back at or to get John’s attention after that situation she caught John in on vacation. Then she ghosted Higgins. Judging from their texts (he so generously saved before destroying his SIM card and throwing away his phone on that military base the day before he received a preservation order) it was obvious he was way more into her than she was to him. She sounded a lot more casual and he was asking about a serious future relationship, badgering her. He texted her a lot and it was sounding rather desperate. He also sounded angry and resentful about being ghosted, insisting that wasn’t true.
I don’t find it suspicious at all. Blackout drunk Karen caused innocent people to have to have their private lives exposed. He was a single middle aged man. No doubt he had embarrassing stuff on his phone. He would rather take the heat rather than public embarrassment. Not suspicious at all.
I have felt very strongly after all the testimony etc, Brian Higgins is involved
His phone would have potentially been a gold mine. He worked hard to destroy it.
I feel sick to think when John entered the house, Higgins called out from the basement, "down here". Whatever happened, it happened quick.
If you destroy your phone right before it is taken as evidence you did something wrong
The YT channel Truth Revealed has a former FBI agent who work in truth and deception. He goes through Brian Higgins, Jen McCabe and Colin Albert's testimony.
@@elainepeterson1269I love his channel! He really breaks it down and if I wasn’t convinced of BH guilt, I definitely would be after seeing his videos.
@@elainepeterson1269thank you for directing me to the channel and I’m viewing his playlist on this topic.
I'm not sure how a "news" show leaves out the newsworthy content. THAT was the story. When I first saw this case making news and knowing nothing about it, I assumed they arrested a guilty person. When I watched the trial I was BLOWN away at the corruption. If I were a journalist, I would be screaming it from the mountaintop. That's what the news story is.
There are no news shows anymore. Every single one is an "entertainment program" that's why they can't be sued for giving opinions as facts. Did you not learn this when they admitted it in the Rachel madcow trial?
They didn't even show the video of Karem backing into John's car when she was initially leaving that morning to go look for him! I couldn't believe of all the things they left out, that was one. And they didn't mention the federal investigation into many key players and their ties to another awful case.
TB did say that he knows Matt Gutman though, and although he has to appear neutral on the network, Gutman is 100% in the Karen is innocent camp.
@@justkim9827they also didn’t mention the dighton cop saying the tl was cracked but not missing pieces and destroyed!
Yeah - I was disappointed that some of the most critical points were left out to play a both sides have points story. You can’t trust anything about the state’s side given the inverted video in court, no chain of command, not even searching the house, the connections to cops who also helped not implicate Matthew Farwell while investigating the end of Sandra Birchmore’s life. Those are not things that are in dispute. It’s not a conspiracy theory when you can show a conspiracy of corrupt cops looking out for each other already exists in that town.
They played a doctored video
The mother said “oh my god you just left him there alone” so she blamed Karen immediately. That’s probably why.
The fact that family members were talking to them and giving the jurors info is WILD.
That’s juror tampering. If that did in fact happen, I’m surprised the jury didn’t convict her. Thank God they didn’t. We need to uncover all the issues with this states police.
You of all people should know that when you're innocent is when you need an attorney the most..
What isn't highlighted by anyone is the testimony that convinced me she was set up. The Dighton police officer who was at her father's house when her SUV was seized. This was hours after John died and the vehicle was never in her possession again. He testified that the taillight was cracked and a small amount was missing, he didn't say the whole thing was missing. So if most of the light was on the car then, how did it end up on the Albert's lawn hours, days and weeks later. I had wondered why such big red pieces were not able to be found on the lawn for weeks.
I bring this up every time someone talks about the case. Also the text that was added to the video AFTER it was flipped proves someone flipped it on purpose.
Yep and also the fact that none of the neighbors cameras caught anything going on is suspect as well 😮
My guess? They weren't found until later because it was a snowstorm that night and they were plowed off the street and every time the snowplow passed during the storm, they got buried deeper and deeper as the snow piled higher and higher on top of them...
How's that? Reasonable?
@@A_girl_named_Joey I agree..Im wondering why the Dighton cop didn’t testify that the taillight was only cracked with one small piece missing… also the tow truck driver… although he would probably be afraid to lose the contract if he went against the Canton cops.
They paid him well for that testimony!!
I was just in Tallahassee and met one of the officers involved in the Markel case. He said he’d listened to wire taps and participated in surveillance during the investigation, even involved in the search for the murder weapon. I asked if he thought Wendy would be on trial next and he said absolutely!
I honestly feel like the FBI would not have stuck their necks out and sent people to actually testify if there was any chance his injuries could have been caused by a vehicle. There are way too many people in and out for that to have happened and nobody seen or heard it. ❤❤
And the tests done were on a "blind" basis. Really had no "facts in evidence"
I want to believe the FBI Is still investigating. It may take time to get it right. A great many coos from Canton PD are dirty cops.
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The FBI only retained the experts for the investigations, the, weren't sent by them. The defense had them under subpoena. You can order private individuals to testify if they have relevant knowledge. If they were to testify federally their contract with the FBI would likely see them paid for their time.
FBI will be getting a real autopsy......then the arrests
Her questioning “could I have hit him?” Is a VERY normal trauma response and not indicative of guilt. I wish they had an expert explain this.
At different times she asked or stated different things. On the phone, she questioned (either Jen McCabe or Roberts) if she hit him, or could she have hit him. But it was in the presence of 4 witnesses later that morning when they were doing CPR on John that she repeatedly said "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" when questioned by the EMT. That was confirmed by 4 people, the two fire/EMT, and Karen McCabe and Roberts. Also, it wouldn't makse sense for Karen to respond to the question with the repeated question "Did I hit him, did I hit him, did I hit him, did I hit him?".
@@ohary1 wrong! One of the paramedics allegedly heard her say that! Jen wouldn’t believe anything she said!😀
agreed
Exactly. I have been horribly abused and at some point because of the trauma I would ask myself if I deserve it or if it was my fault or if I caused it. And it was all the pain and hurt creating all that confusion.
It wasn’t normal trauma. Geez, she screamed JOHN, I HATE YOU! And called him 53 times thereafter including a call to her dad at 2am telling him, dad, I think I hit something. C’mon folks, think logically, she’s sooo guilty!!
Family always wants a person to blame. My sister died of natural causes at 46. My whole family was up at arms , looking for someone to point a finger at. I think it's just human nature.
Exactly! My SIL died at 45 of natural causes twelve years ago and one of my husband’s sister still believes her husband (who has since also passed away) killed her.
anger needs a direction.
I am so sorry about your sister. You are correct about wanting to blame someone.
@@NonnieAnn ❤️
So many feel the need to point the finger. Good for you‼️ Personally I feel it's a personal time for mourning and allowing the Soul to move on in peace.
I watch all these cases, chaos and fiascos and the worst part is for that soul.
Kerry Roberts testified that JO’s mom was already mad at Karen on the way to the hospital saying “she just left him there?!” …when learning she had dropped him off at the party. So it’s possible there was already this conflict between them.
That's a new one
@@ldolan4051 I heard her testify to it as well.
Exactly. Karen has no control over a 46 year old man. Who would think he would not be safe in a houseful of cops?
He’s a grown man.
@@lsusan I know. I thought it was odd, but everything in this case is odd!
Peter . I started watching you when Depp vs Heard. You had 85 thousand subs ? Right ? Or 110 ?you have 422 thousand. 300 thousand in 2 years. That’s shows how hard you work . Shows how many people love you . A million subs by the New Year. Thank you for explaining everything.
I went into Karen Read trial thinking she was guilty. At its conclusion, there is no way that I would have voted guilty.
Same
@@bethanybarnard556 opposite for me.
@@marzygirlwhere are you from?
Same
@@marzygirlbased on what evidence? The state didn’t have the proof that JO was hit by a car
Did I imagine Lucky saying he saw Brian’s car parked in front of the flagpole at 3:30 am and it wasn’t there before? To me, that is HUGE and no one talks about it. Do they not believe Lucky?
I believe he said it was a Ford Edge, and that may have been Brian Higgins’ car.
@@lsusanHiggins was driving his Jeep with an attached snow plow.
@@lsusanI think that was Brian Albert's Ford.
think cars cannot be parked on the street law when snow plows are working and Lucky thought it was strange
I don’t think we know for sure whose car it was because Higgins was in his jeep before he left 34 Fairview I believe. I’m surprised that the defense cannot find out whose car it was somehow. Like they could check video cameras around that timeframe.
Free Karen Read jail the corrupt police officers.
Hi! Yes! 🤗💯
She wants attention, don’t see her grieving at all!! She cried because her mom never compliments her. So weird. What about John!!!!??
Karen sought out a lawyer because she thought she was going to get a DUI charge that is how Yennetti came about..to me this case just got interesting..now Im thinking the Feds brought in AJ..but before this, they seen something they didnt like, thats where the last 3 Fed witnesses came in for the Defense..to the tune of 500 thousand dollars..but then here comes the Judge who stopped with her Sustains every 2 seconds so he didnt get to try the case as he and Yennetti wanted..they would have won it hands down..so next best thing was to get a miss trial..then a retrial where the game changes as now they can bring in stuff that wasnt allowed in the first trial..there is no way she hit him with the SUV..she pulled up to the driveway, they talked a few minutes, he got out on the driveway, not the grass or the curb, she watched him walk up the driveway to the side door, not the front door,isnt that interesting in itself the side door, who told him to come there, is that information on the missing phones, she waited a few mins, got annoyed and left as he didnt come out like he was suppose too..tell them the guy didnt come to the house..should be first clue he did, then you have JM frantically looking for his phone in the house, didnt know where it was, that was all the dials to his phone..would be second clue that he was in the house..
Karen was blackout drunk. She doesn’t even remember dropping him off. Her story is fabricated. After dropping him off she drives back to John’s house and calls him wanting to know where the hell he was.
@@shaylynned8786 yup. Maybe he walked thru garage to back yard down the bulkhead
It’s pretty common in MA to worry about getting hit by a plow. When we have snow storms I make my kids play in the back yard for fear of plows hitting them in the front yard. Also I believe they wanted to blame lucky so it wouldn’t surprise me if Ms McCabe put the idea in her head he was hit by a plow
Interesting for those of us not from MA or deal with heavy snow
With all the corruption coming to light in that area, im woundering if he was in the know about something and was a threat to the corrupt cops.
I've wondered that as well
That has been my thought as well. His head inhury looks nearly identical to confirmed pistol whip injuries.
Karen’s lawyers need to tell her that it would be in her best interest to stop talking. She can talk all she wants after her second trial.
I totally disagree. To have one biased side out there they can dehumanize Karen which they are doing and Karen has every right to stand up for herself. Besides, where has she been talking? Other than the 2020 show?
Peter, all these arguments and how KR's case stands is really a "My Cousin Vinny" moment.
Vinny: "Miss Veto, does the defense's case hold water?"
Miss Veto: "No, the defense is wrong"
Vinny: "Why?"
And, she goes on to explain how the defendant's car could never be the one at the scene.
AJ and DY presented 3rd party culprit.
Lally successfully confused the jury with 60+ witnesses of hearsay.
See TurtleBoy's interview with one of the witnesses describing the deliberations. Lally had them a confusion over the stupidest things and they were effectively thrown off all logic, and proceeded on "feelings" and their own "personal logic".
In 2nd trial, the defense has to go hard on physics and engineering. In other words, go full on with experts to prove the impossibility of a pedestrian strike.
The jury didn't get it AT ALL with the AARCA guys, AND, the defense missed the judge instruction that the jury NOT think at all of their own personal knowledge. The jury had among them an engineer, a nurse, a lawyer, and an EMT, and the foreman, a former LE, did not permit these to argue their knowledge based on judge instruction. The juror interview was with the EMT guy,
THAT was wrong.
My opinion: the jury hung because of feelings and opinions.
I didn’t watch the episode, but here for your perspective. Quite honestly, I wish she would remain silent!!!! It’s in her best interest to keep her mouth shut!!!!!!
Ya, and I know she's been threw it...alot of it. I know she's so ready to get this behind her. But in my opinion, it will be in her best interest to not come off as cocky. Honestly, she probably hasn't even grieved yet.
For reallll tho! I think this was the same interview from before the trial but wasn’t a good idea in the first place.
I haven’t watched it either but she’s under contract for an exclusive story with Vogue so I don’t know how she’d be ok doing an interview with 20/20. 🤷♀️
@@l.a.w.79 I’m pretty sure she did this 20/20 interview a year ago…before the trial. I agree with you…she comes across as guilty when she says that she was angry at John that night. I do hope she does no more interviews.
It’s almost always in one’s best interest to keep one’s mouth shut. My mother tried to tell me that her whole life.
It’s doubly important in a court case!!!!!
I appreciate your channel and chat so much. I made a comment about my opinion of KR’s innocence on another channel and the TH-camr indicated that anyone that thought that she was innocent is being deceived and lacking brain cells. Appreciate how you would never speak that way to either side regardless of one’s opinion. We need more of the mindset of “agreeing to disagree” in this world. Thanks for all that you do!
Amen to that! Our world would be markedly better if people stopped forming an opinion about absolutely everything, at the early stages, and then insist on being right!
It's scary to think how many people who think like that (on the other channel) are being summoned for jury duty and could possibly end up on a jury.
I think Karen accidentally hit him, and I voiced my opinion here. Some lady keeps commenting that I’m daft and probably can’t read and a bunch of other loony talk. This space is good for Karen supporters though.
@@kristyyy569 But how can you say KR accidentally hit JOK when forensics testified that a car could not have done what was accused. They refuted this claim.
@@jupiterchance7495 there were experts on both sides remember? That one expert showed how she backed up and hit something and that matched perfectly with John’s steps and phone data
People don't realize that when you are shocked by such a thing as finding someone you love dead, you're mind tends to go bonkers trying to process what happened to a point that it is not rational... you are in shock.
When I woke up and found my beloved cat deceased in my living room for no apparent reason, I was in shock... all kinds of irrational thoughts went through my head... did I forget to lock the pet door and did an animal get in the house and kill him, did he get shocked and killed by the outlet... your brain goes crazy with "did (this) happen"? I also felt immediate guilt, that somehow it was my fault, and I felt guilt that I was asleep when it happened.
I had to know what happened so I had the vet do an autopsy and It turned out that it was an unforeseeable medical condition and had I been awake, the vet said there was nothing I could've done. Only after the vet told me this was I able to fully realize that I'd done nothing to cause what happened and it eased my guilt. I'd had my cat in for a well pet check just two months prior and he was seemingly very healthy... the vet told me that the medical issue would've only been found if an X-ray had been done and you don't X-ray a seemingly healthy cat.
I think Higgins' snow plow had something to do with it, whether JO fell down and Higgins didn't see him or whatever. I strongly feel that Higgins is deeply involved somehow.
I mean she even speculated that blood on her hands could be her period. That alone tells you she was insane with grief.
@@pearlosibuI wish more people pointed this out. She was totally in shock.
I agree 100%. I’ve always felt Higgins was involved.
Karen did not love John. She practically hated him.
@@mandystrong8196you say this why?
I watched the 20/20 and definitely think it skewed toward the CW.
A few of my thoughts
1. It's obvious from the VMs that she was angry @ John.
2. The 2020 episode left out very large amount of the evidence in the case and they skewed it to seem like the supporters were ill-informed because of TB.
3. KR thought about a lawyer before the call from Proctor.
4. John's BAC way above the legal limit but he didn't "appear" drunk in the video. He was Hammered!
5. The feeling Karen got from his mother was what prompted her thought of them blaming her. Absolutely 💯 believe you can get vibes from a single look
6. The feds investigating is a huge detail to leave out of the episode
I’m in the UK, so have been unable to watch the episode but I’m sure they weren’t legally allowed to say a lot of stuff. For instance, I know that even though it’s common knowledge in certain groups that the FBI are/were involved, that still wouldn’t be allowed to be disclosed in the retrial. So to put it in a TV show, I guess, wouldn’t be legal.
A federal investigation doesn’t mean a thing. Only their findings. After all this time it seems as if they haven’t found much.
it all came from Court TV
@@mandystrong8196 I agree about the federal investigation. Karen “loved” John , it would be great if she would put a stop to her supporters harassing John’s beloved parents. I was shocked by all this. Read needs to stop talking.
@@Brooke2000because that's not the truth. You can't believe anything the MSM says, they lie about everything. 2020 was skewed against KR and things were made to look a certain way. Karen's supporters myself included have a problem with Paul O'Keef mostly because he is a grifter & a criminal and is suing KR and the 2 bars she was served at. Anyone with half a brain watching that trial can see KR didn't kill John so why don't they care about getting actual justice for John? Because they can't sue for the money if she's found innocent. That is disgusting in itself. Just because someone is family doesn't mean they are good ppl but it wasn't them who was being harassed, it was the murdered, the McAlberts and the McCabe's who first cried harassment and they weren't even getting harassed. It's all a bunch of lies to scu the public against KR and for the CW!
“Noone saw a thing”because John wasn’t there out front till they all left! He was brought out from the basement back yard door…would have taken 2 people to do that…
There is absolutely zero evidence this ever happened! John’s phone proves that is completely false
And the fact that he could have possibly still been breathing at that point in time.,.. that's why Jen liar McCabe googled at 2:27 a.m. ....how long to die in the cold 🤬
@@astrialindah2773 You’re a fool! The 2:27am time stamp was completely dismantled by two of the world’s leading forensic experts! That search time never happened and if you believe it did, you’re mentally challenged
@@astrialindah2773 Karen liar Read said she saw him go up the steps and into the house, so then how could she have thought she might have backed into him?
I have so many mixed emotions and thoughts about 20/20! All the footage was before the first trial, other than some of Karen and her attorneys walking into court and supporters at the beginning of trial . This entire case is pulling on my heart . 20/20 didn't present enough actual facts, zero interviews with Lead Investigators , or the Prosecution, not enough info of the Federal Investigation into the investigation and no talk about the zero police presence during arraignments, pre-trial hearings or the trial of a Fallen Officer .
Prayers to Officer O'Keefe's Niece and Nephew ,to Karen and his family 💔 . This is so wrong, OJO deserves Justice 🙏 MSP and Canton PD failed him.
less documentary , more drama , very dissapointing
Hier incident with the mother of JOK explains also why she behaved "oddly"that night, his brother said how cold she acted, but if this is true, she didn't feel welcome but as a suspect.
Except, they kept trying to push that there was only a small crack in her taillight while it was at Dighton, which was after when John’s mom would have seen it. Yet Karen thought it was so obvious John’s mom saw it and blamed her? Meanwhile Kerry said in court that while she was driving in the car with Karen and Jen that John’s mom was upset that she dropped him off and didn’t see where he went and left him there…so which is it. Her story constantly adapts to what she needs.
I also find it weird that 20/20 didn’t put in the fact that members of the Albert clan tried to intimidate Karen, her team and 20/20 staff when they were filming close to their pizza shop … standing in front of their car… telling them to get out of their town… and circling around Allen jackson. This is the only 20/20 story… were the prosecutors… direct family members, the lead investigater and “witnesses” (Albert’s/mccabes) didn’t speak out in the story 🙄
Because it didn't happen
You are confusing the facts here. You are probably thinking about how Turtleboy chased down and filmed himself harassing witnesses that were testifying against KR
John O’Keefe’s mom didn’t like her and blamed her immediately. Even Paul admitted that in his interview.
If she really did have only 4 drinks, she wasn't okay to drive. Of course she thought she was okay. Most drunks do think they are okay.
Agree. But she still didn’t hit him with a car. But that part always looks bad when you say anything more than 2 drinks. 4 for her seems like a lot though. She’s either the best actress ever with those voice mails to John or she’s innocent lol. She sounded like a woman that had to watch the kids AGAIN bc he’s out drinking!
She could have done a dui and not hit John at the same time. It’s not binary
@@jakemiller4411 I agree. She for sure could have been arrested for a DUI potentially if they pulled her over that night.
I live in MA and most people here feel this case is a complete waste of time. ARCA / Feds proved there was no accident and the fact they looked into the case at all screams something fishy. They almost never get involved. The birchmore case here in the same town was another one where Feds stepped in and actually arrested the cop involved. Something the state police didn’t do for 3 years with the same evidence!!
Point is she drove drunk …to what degree who knows…maybe she wasn’t that bad…or maybe she was. She’s guilty of that In theory .. but no one here in MA thinks she did it.
@@freshstartpaintingShe dropped him off using her vehicle. John did not have transportation obviously. Then she blows his phone up wanting to know where the hell he is and why he wasn’t home yet? Tat makes no sense.
@@mandystrong8196 I get what you’re saying, but it does make sense if you think about it.
Based on all of the text messages we heard in court John clearly had a pattern of drinking and staying out late. She’s no angel either but it sounds like this was an ongoing issue with them.
She drops him off at the house. He goes into make sure it’s OK for them to go inside. I know they were invited but they didn’t know each other super well and it was late at night. If They had followed somebody home from the bar and arrived at the house at the same time they would’ve all gone in together.
They arrived alone so I can see why he jumped out of the car to double check before she parks and gets out.
Now to your point. She drops him off and is waiting for some sort of signal that it’s OK to go in. That could be him coming back to the car or he could text or call her inside. Five or 10 minutes goes by with no response. she’s like F this and leaves.
In hindsight she could’ve gone in but based on previous history it sounds like she wanted to make a point by leaving as she was fed up with this behavior. His house wasn’t that far away anyway.
To your point, she knows that he doesn’t have a ride home so she’s staying awake angrily texting him and calling him. The voicemails are bad because she’s pissed off that she hasn’t heard from him but there’s also a lot of worry in her voice with each passing call or text with no response.
There’s things she could’ve done differently but the way the scenario played out in real time makes sense.
Peter, I know you dont drink, but in Massachusetts, when a cop (or your parents, lol) asked you how many drinks you had, you divide it by two. So Karen had at least 8 :D
My guess is that Karen’s instinct about John’s mom’s thoughts were spot on. And maybe she never approved of Karen… how many times do we see a mom not approve of her son’s female partner?
@@rdw2457 I agree. When the mother of your significant other does not like you, you know, even if she pretends to like you.
Sounds like she just didn't approve of the fact that KR left her son at a house without a ride home in a blizzard..
If the mom saw the cracked taillight wouldn’t she know there was no way the pieces were in the snow?
6:49 @lawyeryouknow If you recall during Kerri’s testimony, she stated when she was driving the Okeefs to the hospital she over heard a phone call between them and Karen. Peggy was IMMEDIATELY blaming karen… yelling and accusing her of just leaving him…. so much so that John’s dad stepped in and told Peggy we aren’t going to blame karen and it wasn’t her fault. Again this was Kerri’s recounting on the stand. So early on possibly before they had even gotten to the hospital she was blaming Karen.
I believe Karen’s reason to go back To John’s was to sit with the children while they told them what happened as Paul stated in his interview. He also said something about him having to tell Peggy as well that they weren’t going to blame karen so clearly Peggy had her thoughts on what happened pretty quickly which probably validates Karen’s suspension about the vibe and why she was very uncomfortable.
Karen was grieving as well but It’s not her home, It’s Johns and all his family is there consumed in their grief. If it were myself I would have felt very out of place without the accusations and unsure if I should be there. It wasn’t the time for it to be about her grief, so I believe that why she got her stuff, took her car and went to her parents to grieve around people she felt comfortable with and that cared about her.
The Jury Misconduct Is way More News worthy. JURY TALKED WITH THEIR FAMILY ABOUT TURTLE BOY! They Though Turtle Boy Paid ARCCA to come in as a "3rd Party" omg 😂
I'd really like Peter to speak to that too. I thought jury misconduct took with the talking to family and talking about turtle boy 🤯
I watched the inside of the trial. Her story changed fifty million times
I wonder how much different this trial could've been if the jury was allowed to ask questions like they can in some states.
The ex gf from 20yrs ago comes off as a creepy, unhinged, stage 5 clinger. She had a custom made necklace with his badge number, her entire instagram (a whole 8 photos) is entirely dedicated to John. Every photo presented of them on the 20/20 was from decades ago when they dated, nothing recent to show they still had some sort of tight relationship.
Its no wonder her husband left her. That is one psychotic woman.
YES!
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I thought it was a little weird also. Thank you for saying that.
Thanks for your perspective Peter. This is a Crazy case. I’m hoping the FBI finds the Truth.
EDB noted a marker in one clip, which indicated Read’s interview was in the summer of 2023, almost a year before trial.
If she testifies, she will have much explaining to do! Her story is full of lies and that needs to be addressed. My guess is she will have to accept a plea bargain or be jailed for a much longer time period.
She's a whack job. Believe all these people that support her.
And the ridiculous conspiracy.
Can't believe, I meant.
My problem with the whole conspiracy thing... where's the evidence? Not "it could totally work this way" or "well they're all liars", but evidence that disproves their testimony or supports your theory. And when I ask, people get mad.
Peter, you are so easy on the eyes. It doesn’t matter how you wear your face. Great commentary as usual.
I would not be able to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt.
I was surprised she gave the interview with another trial looming.
This isn’t a new interview, I saw this interview while she was doing her first trial and i thought they would play this in court the first time. If you look at the first time she did it was a while back like a year ago.
@@marzygirlI think it aired on Friday?
No she did it a year ago I can’t send the screen shot but it’s on ABC news posted a year ago but idk when she really did it.
@@TarablyGood12her part is footage from the same interview she did before the trial. I’m guessing they didn’t make that clear! …which is misleading.
@@scurvyelephant333 that is really misleading!! Thank you for clarifying!
At the scene she was in shock. From my own experience of myself and friends in an emergency situation I can perfectly understand why she would ask “did I hit him”. Her shocked mind was searching to make sense of something that didn’t make sense to her and that was one thing that came to mind along with possibly the snowplow. It’s normal for victims of tragedies and crimes to blame themselves even if they’re not guilty. It’s part of the process of our need to feel we have control in our lives when something horrible happens. What if what if ….
Yes, but if she SAW him go up the steps and into the house, as she claimed, why would she think she could have possibly backed ino him with her car? Either she saw him go into the house or she didn't
Y'all are crazy! I LOVE the stash! Very Burt Reynolds! Stashes are in!!
The dog bites and not car damage on John are what made me think Karen was innocent .
To me they are snow plough damages
At first I was thinking they were in the weight room and he fell back and hit his head on a weight, but then when the back door came into play, I wondered if he was pushed down the stairs and his head hit the door knob causing the 2 inch gash and the head fractures..as that all got changed as well as the basement floor, 3L of blood was lost..
@@shaylynned8786 if that did happen, why would he be on the lawn? And what would explain his fallen shoe? Wouldn’t that be not frozen and maybe inside? My question is if he got beat up why would they put him on the lawn? For what reason?
@@shaylynned8786 The 36 steps registered on his phone after his limp body suddenly "came back to life", those were the two or three men (six legs total) rocking and swaying and shifting as they inched his limp body up the stairs out into the back yard. The 36 "forward" steps are actually the fourth flight of stairs that were missing from their phone data.
@@marzygirl I agree it doesn’t make sense for them to “hide his body” right out on the lawn. But it is possible that the dog jumped on him (during a fight or after being commanded to) and nobody saw him leave the house and pass out on the lawn from the head gash (however that happened). But they didn’t bother checking because they were all drunk. I don’t understand the lying though by the witnesses for the prosecution. Why lie? To cover up what? And why didn’t they seem more concerned. Karen acted more like someone would in that situation.
Thank you. Peter!! 👍🏽
And as a lawyer in a person, you should know that angry doesn’t mean murder either
Agree. Also makes no sense for her to be angrier as the night went on, with him not coming home, if she knew he was already dead. When she felt he was blowing her off, ignoring her.. you could hear from the messages that is what made her madder and madder. It just makes more sense that she left him at the house angry when he didn't come back out and then got more upset the longer she waited for him to come home and thought he was ignoring her. Which also in her mind made her feel used as a caretaker for the kids while he just partied it up. Also, Jen said she spoke with them on the phone to give directions. How come Jen didn't hear any frustration or tension in either of them if Karen was mad enough to run him over in a fit of rage just minutes later? They were only a few blocks away from 34 FV at that point. It just makes no sense.
@@diverightin9243 Maybe as she got more and more black out drunk, she forgot that she left at a house in a blizzard with no ride home after "possibly" angrily drunkenly slamming her car backwards into him before she took off to his house to angrily call him 53 times screaming at him and calling him names.
I just started school so haven’t watched a video in several weeks - was pleasantly surprised to see the mustache!!!!
Drink/Drug 'drivers' TOTALLY UNFORGIVABLE.
Well have to see what the new jurors say and how the civil case turns out.
Tom sellick called from the 80’s and he wants his mustache back 😂.
I like it!❤
I watched the 20/20 episode on Hulu. She has to testify to show her compassionate side. This 20/20 was cruel to Karen. But first, Karen has to stop supporters from harassing John’s parents & family. I was crying watching 20/20 with my roommates …for his elderly parents, family, the funeral- the bagpipers ….the Blue Line…very sad. Also, she should get rid of this turtle man….he will lose this case for her and must be making a fortune off of her. AJ wasn’t able to prove the “Frame” defense….I wish she never hired him. Dan Rashbaum couldn’t prove his defense theory either and his client got life in prison.
As a first reaction, I would have been a mess and spinning through tons of thoughts. And, just like me, once things settle down a bit, I start thinking more clearly. I can more methodically put together what I feel happened. I can relate to Karen Read's reaction to quite a few situations.
I really love your channel, Peter! It’s so relaxing listening to you and I’m learning so much about the law! I was already interested prior to finding your channel, but now I am even more enthusiastic and am looking into going back to school to study law and/or criminal Justice. Thank you for your service! ✌️
With this particular case, I was so convinced that Karen Read was guilty of at least one of the counts- up until the very end when the two Orca experts testified! Really threw me for a loop and now I am more in the middle of the road.
Peter looks like the dad in This is Us. 😊
He does in this video!
Omg, he does! Milo Ventimiglia 😊
The beginning of 20/20 was Karen first interview from over a year ago
I ALWAYS felt that most jurors would not have a clue who the third party expert was - and - without knowing would respond differently because of the lack of knowledge. Not my favorite thing that they couldn't mention "FBI"
there was no legitimate legal reason to keep that out... another aunt bev gem
Sidenote, unless someone specifically asks for comments/suggestions on their appearance keep your thoughts to yourself. Unless I missed it, I didn’t catch Peter saying he wanted everyone’s input on his facial hair. It’s rude, TBH
I didn’t realize it was so different than normal , and you’re right, Who cares what SM thinks about it!
20/20 didn’t show Karen backing into JOK’s SUV in the driveway explaining the crack on the tail light or the inverted video with missing time or the apple health data or chloe. Or butt dials Too many to count. Left out a ton of critical info and was definitely slanted against Karen Reed.
I thought it was wild of them to claim in court that Apple health data is not very accurate and going up/down a hill in a car would give the stairs results. Apple health isn’t perfect but it’ll know when you’re going up/down stairs, that’s for sure
The video of KR barely tapping JOK"s SUV did not show any broken taillight pieces on the ground, so that doesn't make any sense that that's when it broke.
Replay crew! 🫶🏽 I was in Yellowstone National Park yesterday sans reception, so I am getting caught up on the YT videos that I missed. Thank you Peter for continuing to keep us updated on this case. 💞
It would be more accurate to focus on the evidence presented in the case rather than speculating about conspiracy theories. The defense's primary objective is to demonstrate Karen's innocence, which she is!!
@@antoinettewatkins9841 the evidence is conspiracy
😮….….The jurors were told they weren’t aloud to sign off on just two charges and it had to be all 3?? 😮……And Bev knows this and still wouldn’t talk to the jurors and get the facts?? She’s just as corrupt as the cops and DA. 😮 Send them all to jail.
Wrong. Defense team pushed for the judge to accept the hung jury and was very happy with it. If they had asked for more info, the judge would have done that. Instead, defense team was happy, hugging each other. Karen running to her dad.
Karen said she thought Peg thought it was her fault for leaving him there
Right! Yet another change in story to fit what she needs to come off as plausible behaviors
Those statements made Karen sound even more crazy and/or guilty in my opinion. Paranoid. Parents/family did not accuse her, but she “felt the accusation” from his mom’s eyes. 🙄 Sounds like consciousness of guilt to me.
3:53 I was under the impression that Jen McCabe said, "could you have hit him?" And that's when that whole storyline started
No, she was saying weird stuff to the niece before she ever called Jen. Something along the lines of "I think I did something"
I recall her waking up the niece to get Jens number and said jealous things about where he was because never came home. The hitting him with a car came from Jen
Just evil. She started the narrative at that point because SHE (Jen) KEW what happened because she aided and abetted
Your very right, thats how it all started..
I’d be interested to know, did the niece say these things before or after she spoke to Jen Macabe.
If the jury wasn't talking about the news how did they know about TB?
If Karen thinks no way she hit him, she was barely buzzed why did she search for a DUI attorney? Also you neglected to mention the jurors thought she was responsible even if it wasn’t on purpose which means they thought she was drunk, as proven by the blood test.
She's smart, that's why she knew to lawyer up. As you can see, all it takes is an accusation. And she was up against cops. I would have not been that smart, sad to say.
The blood test wasn't reliable. Also, she wasn't given a ticket for DUI.
@@samsmom400 her BAC was drawn at the hospital that morning. She knew what the results would be.
I found Karen to be contractictive in her words. Even at first time for charges hearing, Atty Yannetti said it was not on purpose or intentional, but there was an accident. Karen said that her tail light was broken, and that her father was checking a bulb to see if operational, but it was not that bad earlier (cracked). She searched for the DUI lawyer right away and was sensing John's mother thought she did it??? Guilt Karen also said to the niece and said John was hit by a plow?? Why would Jen take the call from Karen if they were trying to cover up something?? Karen was drunk and still legally drunk 9 hours later and did not probably know she hit John, and her computer for backup camera detected a incident. She was also very angry with John. The vehicle went to Dighton for her ride with her father and already damaged before it was seized and at the same time tail light pieces were planted?? Where is the dna from all the folks dragging John outside, putting him by the curb, placing his cell phone under him, put the broken glass by him, sneaker off, hat off, etc. C'mon Guilt of DUI and Manslaughter #JohnOkeefe
I can’t believe, someone commented on your mustache‼️ it looks good 💕
Personally the beard looked great but that face can sport any look. His mom must smile ❤
People who don’t like the mustache can’t grow a good one.. they don’t know how much fun it is
If in the relationship between Karin and John‘s mom was not the greatest let’s just say that would probably be where she would feel about anger initially Dr. from losing her son, but seeing this woman in front of her and want to blame somebody, everybody wanted to point fingers looking for a easy scapegoat rather than seeking truth through an honest investigation
Thanks for all the educating you do! We appreciate it!
I found it interesting that when she first realized he didn't come home she thought to go look at the bar first. I think she was so drunk she did not remember at first about going to the Alberts, or she would have went there to look for him first. ❤❤
She did not that was said by Jen mctooth it’s not true. They diverted he to other places like Jen telling her to go back to Johns first after she left Jen’s house even though she had just left there.
@@bluj5917 Yup!
But if she wasnt out of her mind or wasted, she would have been more confident in her recall but she didnt seem to realize she was being manipulated. @bluj5917
@bluj5917 Agree. When your significant other is not home & it is very uncharacteristic your first thought is something bad happened. You are out of your mind with worry & almost impossible to think straight.
And we know there was tension at the bar...I'm sure she worried right away Brian squared did something.
Thanks for covering this Peter. Just to say the CW couldn't produce the Lexus computer because Trp Guarino smashed it according to his own testimony.
The same Trooper who couldn't find 32k text messages between Sandra Birchmore & her cop abuser/ murderer
John O Keefe Potentially Wearing NIke Shoes 👟 SLIPS On Ice 🧊 & Snow ❄️ Into A Backing SUV Vehicle 🚗 &/or SUV 🚙 Wheels SLIDE Unintentionally : Purely Accidental
Ignore the rude comments on the mustache. It looks great!
If I were a juror the upfront claim of conspiracy would have definitely turned me off. Would have worked on me much better to focus on “it’s impossible” and let me discover the conspiracy stuff as it went along.
Except now we know for certain, the department is corrupt! It was believable to me then and is more believable after the arrest of Matthew Farwelk!
Why would they interview a GF of OJO’K from 20 years ago??? Why talk about Marietta and her sister?
I think they were just trying to find anyone close to JJ to talk to since the family isn’t talking, for good reason. To me it came off as shown done in order to fill airtime, but not being a regular viewer maybe this is their standard fare. I do feel for the family, and hate that people’s zeal for KR makes them feel the need to attack the victims.
@@grimtt I also feel for the family. However, I cannot help but feel they are pinning this on Karen for the wrong reason. They most definitely know the truth. They are either ignoring the truth because they are afraid of the killers or they truly are fond of them and will blame anyone else. Poor Karen was at the right place at the wrong time. *FKR*
Of course she questioned the possibility. And of course knowing the evidence she can absolutely say there was no chance of her being responsible.
At the time she was traumatized and with a bunch of people surrounding her gas lighting her to make her question her own reality and that traumatized her more! Omg can’t even imagine. Evil people
Karen Read is innocent. Canton has so much corruption in the police department and the town that it’s crazy. For 20/20 to bring out an ex girlfriend who is still obsessed 10 YEARS after they broke up! She’s ridiculous looking for her pathetic five minutes of fame. The evidence shows Karen didn’t hit him. He was beaten to death by the home owner, his pal with a crush on Karen and the home owners punk nephew. Karen will never get a fair trial. The Alberts have that town wired to believe in whatever they want them to believe. John’s body had wounds consistent with a beating and bite marks and scratches from a dog. Brian Albert is a MMA fighter. John had two black eyes, a bleeding nose and mouth and multiple bruises about his head as well as a broken skull. The wounds on his head are not consistent with being hit by a car going 24 miles per hour in the dark in the wind and snow under the influence of alcohol in reverse for 67 feet. Sober people have tried to recreate this and they couldn’t do it! Higgins had issues with with John OKeefe, Collin Albert had issues with John OKeefe and Brian Albert had issues with John OKeefe. John OKeefe was beaten to death and dumped like trash in the yard.
Nobody saw a thing coz they were all pissed as crickets
I just watched 20/20 Karen Read: The Perfect Storm last night. So sad how many supporters harass the parents of John O’Keefe. On the show , it looked horrible. Why doesn’t Karen put a stop to it? The potential jury is watching this and it was definitely Pro-Prosecution. I was crying with my roommates last night! Why on earth would she do this interview? It doesn’t make sense.
don’t listen to the haters Peter that mustache is suave AF
I grew up in the 80s associate moustaches with fancy dress 😂 can’t get used to them 🥸
Paul said he was getting a vibe at the house…I’m sure he was giving off a vibe too.
Paul’s mother was saying things and acting passive aggressive towards her and that’s why she left she wanted to be with her parents. Johns mom yelled at her about leaving John there as if he wasn’t a grown azz man
@@bluj5917ok, but they tried to push that it was a tiny crack in her light, not broken…but she thought John’s mom was blaming her because she “saw my broken taillight” in her grief, in a snowstorm with strong winds, coming from hospital to her sons house to tell her grandkids their 3rd parent is now gone. So was it broken or cracked at that hour? She hadn’t even taken it to Dighton yet.
Right? Like he said on the stand- he blew her a kiss when she was screaming to talk to him at the hospital? Wtf
@@MAgirlie broken is cracked. Cracked is a weird way to emphasize that something is broken. Especially if you’re lying that something is cracked but not completely broken.
@@CopsDaughter well those are Karen and her teams words, cracked not broken. Implying the pieces were still mostly there. So how was Mrs O’Keefe suddenly seeing that?
I think she hit him BUT could not send her to prison due to my uncertainty with dog and people getting rid of phones and apparent crooked LE.
@@suziq900 I’m with you. There are only a couple of us in this chat though…, 🤷🏻♀️
She thought he got hit by a plow because it was a blizzard and no one else was on the road. (Welcome to
Boston winters Florida). 😊
I’m CERTAIN, (in the first hours), she NEVER thought the people inside of the house UNALIVED him!?!?
Right? It is so believable to me that she thought he tried to walk home and got hit by a plow DURING A BLIZZARD!
@@sandrasomewhere EXACTLY!! If you have lived in the NE for any winter season this is NOT a crazy thought! They literally shut down the roads at points except for emergency vehicles. I love Peter and his unbiased take on things- he just tries to focus on the evidence BUT in this case - it might be difficult to understand the context/comment about the snow plow when you have lived your whole life in Florida. 🙂
@@sandrasomewhere - Additionally - no one’s FIRST thought would be that the people you had just spent the evening with UNALIVED him!!! 🤦🏼♀️ It's all so messed up. She IS FACTUALLY innocent, I have no doubt!
It sounds like his family was already looking at her sideways starting at the hospital. If his friends didn’t like her, I’m sure his family gossiped with them about her like the rest if the rest of them are all townies. Seeing how his family has behaved during the trial, it would not surprise me if they were cold to her that day.
Watching the trial, KR looks like the cold one. Also, she was the one that didn't want to go into the party with JOK, which also looks pretty cold. If she would have gone into the party, maybe JOK would still be alive
To say Karen’s first thought was Did he get hit by a plow- that was after Jen said he never showed up and he wasn’t answering - I think my mind would start reeling as I tried to process what was happening
No it wasn’t she said it on the phone to Kerri before they ever met each other to look for him.
I did hear that’s what Kerry said she said but I’m not sure what she said
@@CopsDaughtershe also woke his niece up at 4:30am saying she thought she might have done something, something is wrong, not sure if she mentioned plow…but she did to Jen and Kerry whether it was on the phone or once they started driving around. Wouldn’t your first thought be, we were drinking, I left, he had no ride, he must have crashed on someone’s couch…not oh he walked in a blizzard in the middle of the night and got hit by a 15:14 plow…unless she was the one trying to put out a plausible reason they were going to find him on the lawn.
@@MAgirlie wasn't that her reason for waking up the niece? Karen didn't have McCabe's number so woke up the niece. Noone knows what was said between them, she may have checked and I did read they thought he may have crashed at a friend's who lives close by (he's on McCabe's call records at around 5.30am). If she knows officer O'Keffe would never leave the kids alone overnight there's going to be some panic there.
@@MAgirlie she didn’t wake up his niece saying she might have done something. That’s a ridiculous statement. She didn’t know where he was, just that he wasn’t answering and didn’t come home. I certainly wouldn’t think he was crashing on coco’s couch but that’s why Karen asked her niece for phone numbers as she was looking for John. if she thought he may have tried walking home, it’s not ridiculous to think of the dangers of snow plows at night. Maybe they’re cleverly adamant he wasn’t in the ‘house’ because he was only in the ‘basement’. Just look at his injuries and everything else from Jen making phone calls and not going in the house for help and them not coming out etc etc etc etc etc.
I don’t think you really believe what you’re saying, or you haven’t looked at the facts of this case. The Feds know Karen didn’t kill John. And they watched the crime further unfold and REVEAL ITSELF. I hope you get my gist.
Aside from all the presented evidence there’s so much more they haven’t even touched on. Fighting corruption takes time.
Here’s some educated perception- if Karen left him for dead at 12:30 am with his head injury with temps in the teens, not dressed properly in the wet snow and wind, high blood alcohol level, incapacitated to not even being able to shiver which is the natural response in order to survive, his core temp would have been less than 80* by 5:30 am. He wouldn’t have been alive. His body wasn’t there by 2:30 am when all guests had left and Lucky plowed. There was no blob or body there. They put him out after that time. That’s why he was technically still alive. Jen knew it was close but it’s too difficult to discern hos long to die as his head injuriy, alcohol consumption, clothing, and wet weather all factor in to Hos long it would take his body to die.
They dug up the blood soaked cement - but not in the house, in the basement. I’ve heard they have the construction tools-I’m hoping they knew where the debris went.
I feel like I’m talking on deaf ears though. Even if Karen did it, she should have been found not guilty as there’s overwhelming reasonable doubt.
So, why was the jury so confused 🤔
They initially were to accept manslaughter charge
Why would Karen Read agree to do this interview? Could harm her?
@@tracym6570 was from a year ago. She did this interview before her first trial
I didn't love the stash when you had one awhile back. But now it's growing on me! You do you boo!
calm down
I don't believe Karen did it as the evidence is pretty clear he wasn't hit by a car, however, Karen does not come across well in person. I don't know if that is illness or stress, but she isn't particularly likeable from my perspective, unfortunately. Just because a person might not be likeable to some, it doesn't mean she deserves to be falsely convicted.
Thought it wasn’t a great look when she was talking about being out on bail with trial looming as “being in purgatory“ while she’s making a latte, wearing tailored clothes and living in nice digs. Not that all of those things are wrong but the way that scene played out spoke Privilege imo.
Yes, I mean I know she is a privileged woman. That is not the issue. I don't think Karen is a bad person because of that and I don't think that is what you were meaning. I think she isn't all that clear when communicating and some of her statements, whilst unintentional, come off as confused and contradictory. I have no doubt the morning she found John dead in the snow was horrific and that going through all of this would be traumatising. I think it is best if she doesn't testify personally. The corruption in Canton and seemingly throughout Massachusetts is very concerning.
@Peter Very early on, the CW declared they had ring camera footage of the "accident". So, early on, the defense thought they were dealing with the possibility that she had accidentally hit him. That ring camera footage never eventuated. It never existed! This explains why Yanetti made certain statements early on.
sorry, but the jury sucked. they should get a change of venue.