It's frustrating to read a lot of these comments. This is exactly what's going wrong in the equine world, people wanting to "love" their horses (affection, affection affection) without any rules, boundaries or limitations. It's as though "discipline" is a bad word. I'm not talking about abuse... abuse is abuse. There is a BIG difference. Unfortunately, the people that live in la la land and let their horse walk all over them have unruly horses, and then blame it on the horse. Whoever disagrees with me, I urge you to watch a documentary on horse behavior then you'll see how they interact with each other. The herd boss demands respect or they get disciplined! Physically disciplined!
Lisa Toney there is a difference between just living on a horse, and being a giant dick. He is rough, rude, and pretty mean. As with all things, you get more bees with honey.
I think a lot of that comes from just a lack of knowledge. I've learned the hard way myself. Now I'm rehabbing my epm mare from the nuero issues AND the spoiled attitude problems that I created😢
@@heatherrobbins3904 he's a lot more gentle and fair than other horses would be in a herd. You gotta treat a horse like a horse and then the bond will come naturally with time
I have watched the first two minutes of this video a few times. This horse was getting ready to challenge him big time. You could see him gathering up steam to throw a big fit. If Gerry had not got on it right away the horse would have only escalated. If you watch the very first time the horse got light on his front end Gerry gave the horse the rope. And yet the horse continued to challenge him...then and only then did Gerry get on him. This is called timing....this horse knew exactly what was going on here....the communication between them was crystal clear.
I saw him challenge you. What these people don't understand is that attitude could turn dangerous fast. I was lunging my stud pony that I had just gotten as a project and after a few minutes of circles, I asked him to change direction and he kicked out at me and I quickly put him in his place. If I had let that go unpunished, he would've taken that as submission and bullied me much more in the future. It's like a pecking order in the herd. Horses gotta find out who's boss before they can get along.
Thanks for being a voice of reason.... I've had wild mustangs and even spoiled farm horses that can become Very dangerous ver quick.. they usually end up here because ether paw, run over and drag their owners around.... As a general rule I can teach them right form wrong and watch the behavior disappear...
This man knows what he’s doing if someone doesn’t do what he does with this kind of horse you better expect to get kicked., bit, ran over, buck off or even killed.. no abuse just totally teaching and disapline…
Laupahoy - What does that mean Bro? Polynesian? Nez Perz? Native of some kind? Anyway I appreciate the observations. And yes, a spoiled horse can sure plow you down!
I for one, believe you did a wonderful job of pressure and release. Also, you have an amazing eye for those dominant gestures, and you corrected him so beautifully. I'll have to try this technique myself.
Carrie Hancock: I'm not sure which portion of the clip you are looking at but the rule of thumb goes like this: Once the horse has been taught to stand on a soft rein (lateral flex) and has the understanding that he needs to stand with a flexed rein and then makes the decision on his own to move after being cued to stop, he needs to be corrected for making decisions on his own.. In this scenario we allow him 3 strides to fix himself or we reach back, wave our foot and give him a little boot... 3 strides to fix himself or boot.. 3 strides or reach wave boot... soon enough he decides he better try something different than continuing to move around and once his feet stop and he gives a soft face he realizes Life is Quiet again... Seeking softness..
You gotta stop that challenging crap. I'm starting a 12 yr old mare now, cannt catch her so working on that more than the breaking process, that and it's high 90s 😂She thinks it through and once she figures it out, she is good.
I know this was a few years ago, but I wanted to let ya know you were right with the lameness issue. He appears to have a stifle issue and maybe sore in the back which could be by he's got a pissy attitude.
I can see both horse exhibiting the restraint on biting you. I too have an older horse (12) that is a very kind soul BUT, was definitely a pasture pet for most of her life. However, she is calmer under saddle. The problem with her though is getting that far. There are MANY areas she does not tolerate being pet and she also HATYES giving her feet. I have worked with her daily on this and she is not budging. Are you by chance ever in Idaho?
please keep posting videos like this! your wisdom is invaluable to me....this is so opposite to everything i've grew up learning in the walking horse stables. i've seen so many horses abused/beat for not listening....but the "trainers" weren't communicating clearly what they wanted the horse to do. this is all new to me...but i'm putting it into practice & people it works! we could all learn from Gerry's widsom!
I always appreciate kind words... I am not sure why some one would call this 'Bully" tactic, but those who talk and/or think like that have generally never really handled many horses. If you are a FaceBook person you will find I load lots of clips on FaceBook and just some here on TH-cam.
This may seem like a dumb questio +GerryCox but can this be applied in English saddle as well? I shareboard an older pony who only obeys my queues in one direction and throws his head up and hip out when I use the horsemanship skills Iearned over the last 6 years.
I am just learning about horses .Such training is tremendous . These clips are very helpful . I will talk to my trainer. Thanks Randy Bandy Carol Stream IL.
Thanks gerry for posting this video! I love your training method and use it myself. I just bought a 19 yr old andalusian gelding who worked with a trainer but the old owner was unable to successfully ride him or handle his hot personality. Im looking forward to working with my new horse and this video has helped me develop a plan. Thanks
I have an Arabian whom I just got a few months ago... For a while he was fine, but recently he started taking off whenever I'm on him, to a couple occasions where I've had to emergency dismount. Then to add to it, he'll run my against trees and such... He also has started striking out with his hooves and shoving my older horse into the fence whenever we're out on a trail. I think I'm going to try this method and see how it goes...
I'm not sure which portion you are asking about, but when we ask a horse to soften his face to our hands, we try not to PULL the reins, we slowly pick them up so he FEELS the reins, then all the bit to go to the point of contact then we wait.. and wait.. until he tries to soften his jaw, his face/nose bone will be in the upright/vertical position...
i had a little mare who would think she could get her own way. she would buck kick rear trying everything. if i didnt correct that and show her was boss that couldve been dangerous for me
This may seem like a dumb questio +GerryCox but can this be applied in English saddle as well? I shareboard an older pony who only obeys my queues in one direction and throws his head up and hip out when I use the horsemanship skills Iearned over the last 6 years.
hopefully you answer... I have a POA gelding who is turning 18 this year and was only loped at a much younger age (about 9-10 years ago) and a friend would like to use him, how would you recommend we get him to lope? he acts just like the horse in the video... he is in great health and the vet says he is sound for Riding. thanks
I guess make sure he can and will lope on a lunge line... if yes, then when you get make sure you give him a clear cue to trot. then energize up to a lope or get a good swat...
I have an ex police horse who hasn't been worked in 10 years, he came into our possession when a fried of my mom's couldn't take care of him, and previously he was from Mississippi where he was living out retirement in a pasture, he was retired from the working force when he was 15, given to rehab at about that time, and is now 25. He is very calm and sweet, depending on what you ask him to do. But I am just 14, I am not sure how to work with him and get a saddle up on him and such. Any tips?
He is probably good to go! Just always be preparing him for what you are about to do next so he is never surprised... Be clear in Communication AND Correction
Good job, Gerry, on both horses. It is a sad day in America when the PC, horse huggers are so ignorant that they can't get through their bias to see what the paint was saying to you. Had he had someone with a good 'sense of self' train him in the first place...he'd never had the thoughts that you read so correctly. If you don't have respect from a horse, you don't have a good horse you can trust and you need to go raise goats. Leave horsemanship to those who can do the job to produce a reliable mount. That paint learned respect for you, but if handled the same as his original teachings, he'll be back to his old tricks in no time. Might have been good to put the owner in the ring...sigh.....
As these things go, I sure make no claim at being an expert, but even 'IF' I can get a horse to change his behavior and listen and respond to me sure doesn't mean when he goes back the owners will simply go back to their ways, regardless of how much instruction, advice and suggestion we give them.. people have habits they can't break and so goes the cycle...
I'd say everything he is doing is correct. He has a different, more hurried style, but the basic training of teach by the release of pressure is right on.
Well I appreciate the observations, these horses were brought in to simply work with for a day or two, not a 30-60 day deal, so I was under some pressure to Get Something Done yes... Thanks
I have a welsh pony thats been out of action for a while and he has a serious attitude problem, thank you so much for this video cause i now have something constructive i can use when he challenges me!
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship what have you learned that you wouldnt do now? I know if I could go back Id have a quiet word with myself haha. I still feel like your were very quiet and calm in this video and thats something a lot of horse folk need to learn
I need some help/advice. I bought a horse that I rode a few years ago on lease. He's Smart Little Lena's cousin and pretty well minded. Thing is, he was trained by a guy who liked him as a colt but had no clue what a horse even was. So, now he's 11 with a bolting problem that I mostly got under control that first year leasing him. Now his owners don't seem to have any real advice about what to do but 'Keep going you'll get it' or 'Don't do that it's to harsh' thing is, he has taken to rearing up on me and my older sister who's working for a professional trainer. They think tying his head down for rearing is a bad idea and abusive. I'm not looking to change his current training, but to completely retrain him... I just need him to give in to what I'm asking... Any tips???
Tying the head is not the problem... Too much pressure may be... In my mindI'd sure teach him to moive his hip on command.. a horse can't rear when his hind feet are moving sideways and he has to plant a front foot to pivot on!
Thank you for this vid!! It gave me a couple tips to try with my gelding. I have a Standardbred gelding that acts almost identical to the paint horse in the start of your video. I know my guy is VERY smart, and fairly dominant. And if I don't correct him, he WILL get aggressive. But, I do like him, and he's a GREAT trail horse because he's not scared. :) And dealing with a willful horse is completely different than messing around with a dead broke lesson horse. Please don't let the know-it-all haters get to you. I think that some people are just so used to seeing the plodding along lesson horses and never have to deal with a horse that's not perfectly bomb proof, and beginner safe. (Plus I'm sure you know that those armchair trainers are experts, and can always do better than a true professional trainer! LOL)
Well I appreciate those kind words.. the big paint was all scatter-brained the day before and was all VERY Fidgetty & Jiggy until I laid some correction to him, then he decoded to stand still and walk......He was also Very stumble and almst fell several times. I suggested she not lope him.. One foot turns Way In.. I sure make no claim to be an expert..
I've also got a big paint mare. And she's green. She wasn't trained to do anything until I got her at 9 years old. But she's a willing girl, and a quick learner. So thank goodness I don't have two horses with attitude issues. LOL She'll test us, but once she sees that I'll call her bluff, she quits. Whereas, my gelding will keep pushing. LOL I just really like your style. It's as gentle as the horse allows. I consider it a "common horse sense" style training. LOL If you've got one challenging you, that's definitely not the time to try to make friends. LOL
I have no idea who you are... or what you are talking about... This video has not been edited... I also don't apologize for what I am doing... I am also not scaring these horses and anyone with a ilk of common horse sense can see exactly what I am doing, some one with no horse sense and very little exposure to horses will not... When you have been hired to start over 5600 horses and have worked with a couple of thousand others... have been mentored by more than 15 world champion horseman and been invited to judge the national Colt Starting Finals in Las Vegas every year.. I'll listen to your criticism... I looked one 'commenter up', she was 13.. Was it You? I sure don't know... And frankly don't care... send or share me ONE video of you working an undisciplined horse.. My guess is you have none and like most critiques will respond "I don't have anything to prove"... neither do I.... I risk my life and my reputation by putting these little videos out there... May Undress of people THANK me... a few 'wanna-be' horse trainers like you criticize...
Another tutorial that will benefit those (like me) to recognize when a horse will blow. Correcting bad behavior and becoming the leader will keep you safe .
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship you have amazing videos. You are always welcome to come to my barn i have a horse late teens and I need help.@diamond D ranch Snohomish wa
@@kota8605 Well, I'm just a Plane ticket away! hahaha Missoula to Seattle is probably $400. Do you have an indoor arena? maybe we coudl do a clinic, stay a day or two! 509-378-2251
The poor horse didn't know what you were asking. in the beginning i thought okay this is the kind of training im looking for no hitting or anything. As soon as you hit that horse my eyes started to water. The horse flinched when you threw the rope over the saddle because it was scared because you just hit him. You NEVER go towards the front of the horse in any situation. He also backed because he was scared people believe that is training but you do it in that order so the horse is scared every time you shake that rope that you are going to hit him. You are turning him and turning him and he doesn't know anything. He has been on a long break and forgot everything. HE WAS SCARED AND WORRIED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HIT HIM. People like you are the reason people come to me, a 13 year old, to train their horse because they hate the way you and others treat horses.I feel bad for all people who hand over their horses to you expecting actual training. Instead they get a frightened horse that learned off of abuse.
I'm not sure which portion you are concerned about but if a horse comes at you and in the heat of the moment you may do whatever you feel is necessary to save your life... To purposefully hit a horse in the face or an eye I am sure not in favor of but to keep one from running over me I sure may ... I won't apologize but sure take no pleasure in it either
Simple Equestrian I totally agree with what this girl iOS saying, you're demeaned and attitude with this horse is against everything I believe, you're scaring him, you're being mean and sarcastic .. talking to a horse this way embarrassed me for you... being the bully never works
It is obvious that at age 13 your no doubt an expert in your field of professional horse training and have nothing more to learn.... so I stand humbled by your broad experience and observation...
Gerry Cox oh yes... the skill is so great!!!!! who in their right dang mind would allow a 13 year old girl to train their horse? (I'm 14 and smarter than that) I hate when people make stuff up... it like when you lie about your grades to your parents, when people find out then no one trusts you again about that...i agree completely with the gentleman in the video. I have a horse who will buck you off on purpose! either you know what you are doing or you get off. no one else rides him but the trainer and I... I would never tell anyone he is begginer safe (although I would trust him with a newborn baby on the ground Just not on him)
They probably just don’t understand American cowboy horse trainer discipline technique. The kids saw you spank the horse and their minds slammed shut, they probably thought that you were hurting the horse. We know that the horse was not hurt, may have stung a little bit, but he sure paid attention to his intolerable, and dangerous behavior. If you would have not corrected the problem immediately with a little discipline you would have to deal with it in the future in less favorable circumstance and someone might get injured. You are not only a great horseman but a great instructor as well, you do a superb job of explaining what you are doing. Oh well, some kids didn’t learn a thing and someday they are going to get themselves into a jackpot.
What if the horse tried to rear while doing that bc my horse has a problem with rearing and I'm working with him but it's getting frustrating do u have any suggestions
wow i just love watching u ride horses =) and u handle horses with magic sir...i sure would never call u a coward ! u are one of the best horse trainers ive seen...sure wish u could work with my fella =)
This is NOT horseman ship. This is manipulation of the horses brain. I'm all for being a little more tough on a horse if they refuse to listen but will never lay any sort of hand, whip or rope on a horse. All you are doing is teaching that horse to fear you. I hope nobody takes these tips from you.
This is old but I agree, i own and work with a nut mare but I never use any sort of physical punishment for being naughty, i hated seeming him lay into that first horse for getting spooky
For the same reason his mother would kick him I guess... Give a slight, watch for a response, escalate the cue and "Bite, Strike or Kick" just like his mother... Maybe you've never studied any 'Natural Horsemanship" , it may give you a little better understanding of horse behavior and response..
There is a difference between insuring your horse knows who’s in charge, and saying “I’m just gonna light right into him”. He’s continuously aggressive if this horse acts anyway “threatening “. The horse is protecting himself. I’ve seen many many horse trainers, and heard many. This guy might get a horse trained, but he’s not gonna get respect and softness, just resignation.
Maybe what you DON'T know is the people brought him to me because he has been charging them and acting out aggressively to them and they have been Running from him as opposed to standing their ground to him... Maybe Another thing you Don't know is that a couple of days later he was nice as a church mouse...
Gerry Cox yes, many things will behave when they are smacked into submission. I prefer a gentler touch. There is no need for been rough and constantly smacking a horse because you think they have an attitude. How many times has Monty Roberts used those tactics? Or Parrelli? 🧐
@@heatherrobbins3904 I have to say that I think you are being unreasonable on a number of levels. First, Gerry has posted *many* videos on TH-cam for free for us to watch. You have not. So right there, he deserves a certain amount of respect and appreciation, even if you disagree with him. Or is respect only for the horse but not the human? Second, I volunteer at a horse rescue and own a mustang. Every horse is different. Some need a soft hand and some a firmer one. I use clicker training as well as pressure and release. But I need to have a level of behavior expected from the horse. It's a safety issue first and foremost. Too many people learn to ride almost out of control horses. And if you tolerate misbehavior, then that's what you are training in. I honestly saw nothing in the video that would demoralize any of the horses being worked with or could be characterized as abuse. It looked like Gerry was simply trying to make a safe horse, and he seems to have high standards for what a horse's behavior should be. Third, I've watched a video of Monty Roberts chasing down a wild mustang for 24 hours and then throwing a saddle on it, getting on and riding it. I've watched Monty's Standing Still for the Farrier video. He "schools" the horse by scaring the sh!t out of it. So much so that the farrier is wearing a helmet. And Monty is deeply involved in horse racing, an industry that kills 23 horses every week in the US alone. And I've watched a video of Linda Parelli snapping a halter and lead against a horses face for twenty minutes. WTF purpose does that serve? All these examples IMHO are abuse. (I see nothing remotely similar in Gerry's video.) But even that being said, I know that Linda Parelli and Monty Roberts know much more about horses than I do, so I at least have to give them a level of respect that their time and devotion to horses deserves. Just my very longwinded two cents.
@@danmoretti4808 Well I sure appreciate that defense! One thing that lady refuses to recognize is that the one or few times I ever had to get 'firm' she didn't recognize that I never had to get firm again... the horse seemed to realize hIS behavior had consequences. Kind of like his mother may have done to him if he pestered or acted aggressive to wards her.. She would roll her eyes, Pin her Ears, Bow up her neck and if he failed to back off she would Lash Put with a Strike, Bite or a KICK eh!! People like that will talk a lot and never offer up a single video of themselves. Thanks
I can tell you've been doing this for a long time and you have some really nice communication with the horse, but I would recommend reconsidering one technique in particular. Within the first minute I saw you invite the horse in to you when it was acting up. You gave the horse a break at the moment he was acting up and essentially trained him to buck/kick in order to get a break. Of course he tried that again because it worked the first time. You need to keep his feet moving until he stops acting up. The moment he stops acting up you can release pressure and invite him into you for a break.
Good job he does have a attitude but he is off on the rear right back legs when the hope like a bunny in the rear end they are off , I’ve been massaging my horses for a year know and I’ve learned a lot about there bodies, but I think you do a good job training
Maybe you've never had one plow you down or run you over...Work with a few hundred, it may happen some day.. Until then... Your lack of experience doesn't;t make you any more of an expert than me...
@@LDLutes-tu4yo Thanks Bro! Although she may hav e a point, yes I can teach a horse to do a lot of things without 'touching' I'm, but when some one brings you a horse and says "Can you help me in ONE or TWO short sessions", ya kind a gotta step up the pace eh?
Gerry Cox this is actually the first video I have seen from you and I am very impressed with your training. These kids that are post your video on Facebook as horrible horsemanship are just that they are kids and have probably never dealt with an actual dangerous horse. I and my husband are both trainers and commend you for your methods. There are too many people letting these 1000lb animals get away with everything and then they come to us and put us in a dangerous situation! So thank you for the video and keep up the good work
I made Horrible Horsemanship!?? Haha.. Badge of Honor! Yes, we seem to get a fair share of spoiled horses.. no discipline, no respect, run over people, run AWAY with people... My good friends and world champions say "YOUR Job is a lot tougher than OURS!! We get GOOD Horses from GOOD people to work with!!"
It's frustrating to read a lot of these comments. This is exactly what's going wrong in the equine world, people wanting to "love" their horses (affection, affection affection) without any rules, boundaries or limitations. It's as though "discipline" is a bad word. I'm not talking about abuse... abuse is abuse. There is a BIG difference. Unfortunately, the people that live in la la land and let their horse walk all over them have unruly horses, and then blame it on the horse. Whoever disagrees with me, I urge you to watch a documentary on horse behavior then you'll see how they interact with each other. The herd boss demands respect or they get disciplined! Physically disciplined!
Lisa Toney there is a difference between just living on a horse, and being a giant dick. He is rough, rude, and pretty mean. As with all things, you get more bees with honey.
I agree
They are 1000 plus lbs and you have to be the heard leader! If not they'll eat your lunch. Lol
I think a lot of that comes from just a lack of knowledge. I've learned the hard way myself. Now I'm rehabbing my epm mare from the nuero issues AND the spoiled attitude problems that I created😢
@@heatherrobbins3904 he's a lot more gentle and fair than other horses would be in a herd. You gotta treat a horse like a horse and then the bond will come naturally with time
I have watched the first two minutes of this video a few times. This horse was getting ready to challenge him big time. You could see him gathering up steam to throw a big fit. If Gerry had not got on it right away the horse would have only escalated. If you watch the very first time the horse got light on his front end Gerry gave the horse the rope. And yet the horse continued to challenge him...then and only then did Gerry get on him. This is called timing....this horse knew exactly what was going on here....the communication between them was crystal clear.
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I saw him challenge you. What these people don't understand is that attitude could turn dangerous fast. I was lunging my stud pony that I had just gotten as a project and after a few minutes of circles, I asked him to change direction and he kicked out at me and I quickly put him in his place. If I had let that go unpunished, he would've taken that as submission and bullied me much more in the future. It's like a pecking order in the herd. Horses gotta find out who's boss before they can get along.
Thanks for being a voice of reason.... I've had wild mustangs and even spoiled farm horses that can become Very dangerous ver quick.. they usually end up here because ether paw, run over and drag their owners around.... As a general rule I can teach them right form wrong and watch the behavior disappear...
This man knows what he’s doing if someone doesn’t do what he does with this kind of horse you better expect to get kicked., bit, ran over, buck off or even killed.. no abuse just totally teaching and disapline…
Laupahoy - What does that mean Bro? Polynesian? Nez Perz? Native of some kind? Anyway I appreciate the observations. And yes, a spoiled horse can sure plow you down!
I for one, believe you did a wonderful job of pressure and release. Also, you have an amazing eye for those dominant gestures, and you corrected him so beautifully. I'll have to try this technique myself.
Well Thanks... I sure make no claim to be an expert...
Carrie Hancock: I'm not sure which portion of the clip you are looking at but the rule of thumb goes like this: Once the horse has been taught to stand on a soft rein (lateral flex) and has the understanding that he needs to stand with a flexed rein and then makes the decision on his own to move after being cued to stop, he needs to be corrected for making decisions on his own.. In this scenario we allow him 3 strides to fix himself or we reach back, wave our foot and give him a little boot... 3 strides to fix himself or boot.. 3 strides or reach wave boot... soon enough he decides he better try something different than continuing to move around and once his feet stop and he gives a soft face he realizes Life is Quiet again... Seeking softness..
You gotta stop that challenging crap. I'm starting a 12 yr old mare now, cannt catch her so working on that more than the breaking process, that and it's high 90s 😂She thinks it through and once she figures it out, she is good.
OOooo... Wow! We're impressed! Let me know when you have started or restarted over a thousand.
I know this was a few years ago, but I wanted to let ya know you were right with the lameness issue. He appears to have a stifle issue and maybe sore in the back which could be by he's got a pissy attitude.
I can see both horse exhibiting the restraint on biting you. I too have an older horse (12) that is a very kind soul BUT, was definitely a pasture pet for most of her life. However, she is calmer under saddle. The problem with her though is getting that far. There are MANY areas she does not tolerate being pet and she also HATYES giving her feet. I have worked with her daily on this and she is not budging. Are you by chance ever in Idaho?
Well, Idaho is a BIG country! I am in Montana, used to be near Spokane. Where are ya!? Feel free to call 509-378-2251
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship Yes sir! I am in CDA Idaho. Does your number accept textx ect? I would love to send you some of my arab.
please keep posting videos like this! your wisdom is invaluable to me....this is so opposite to everything i've grew up learning in the walking horse stables. i've seen so many horses abused/beat for not listening....but the "trainers" weren't communicating clearly what they wanted the horse to do. this is all new to me...but i'm putting it into practice & people it works! we could all learn from Gerry's widsom!
I always appreciate kind words... I am not sure why some one would call this 'Bully" tactic, but those who talk and/or think like that have generally never really handled many horses. If you are a FaceBook person you will find I load lots of clips on FaceBook and just some here on TH-cam.
This may seem like a dumb questio +GerryCox but can this be applied in English saddle as well? I shareboard an older pony who only obeys my queues in one direction and throws his head up and hip out when I use the horsemanship skills Iearned over the last 6 years.
He may have a pain or discomfort issue...
I am just learning about horses .Such training is tremendous . These clips are very helpful . I will talk to my trainer. Thanks Randy Bandy Carol Stream IL.
Thanks gerry for posting this video! I love your training method and use it myself. I just bought a 19 yr old andalusian gelding who worked with a trainer but the old owner was unable to successfully ride him or handle his hot personality. Im looking forward to working with my new horse and this video has helped me develop a plan. Thanks
Thanks! Glad it may give some ideas..Stay safe...
Thank you gerry
Good job - I didn't see you do anything I personally wouldn't/haven't, and you praised him at the right times, and rewarded with release.
I have an Arabian whom I just got a few months ago... For a while he was fine, but recently he started taking off whenever I'm on him, to a couple occasions where I've had to emergency dismount.
Then to add to it, he'll run my against trees and such... He also has started striking out with his hooves and shoving my older horse into the fence whenever we're out on a trail.
I think I'm going to try this method and see how it goes...
Love your vid! My horse was out of training for awhile, and this is teaching me so much! :)
Good vid! Gave me some tips on how to work with my older mare.
Thanks! I sure make no claim to be an expert but some of the things I do seem to get results..
Very Interesting! If I may ask, what do you mean when you are asking for the "vertical" (the part where your horse tends to step back)?
I'm not sure which portion you are asking about, but when we ask a horse to soften his face to our hands, we try not to PULL the reins, we slowly pick them up so he FEELS the reins, then all the bit to go to the point of contact then we wait.. and wait.. until he tries to soften his jaw, his face/nose bone will be in the upright/vertical position...
Great job.!!!!
This guy is hilarious and fun to watch him work!
Yeah.. a REAL Comedian! I'm just an old fat man trying to have a good time!
Hahaha well that's always the best part of working with horses, eh? Thanks for the vids, you do great work!
i had a little mare who would think she could get her own way. she would buck kick rear trying everything. if i didnt correct that and show her was boss that couldve been dangerous for me
This may seem like a dumb questio +GerryCox but can this be applied in English saddle as well? I shareboard an older pony who only obeys my queues in one direction and throws his head up and hip out when I use the horsemanship skills Iearned over the last 6 years.
This is amazing work! I am excited to apply this method to my appy.
hopefully you answer... I have a POA gelding who is turning 18 this year and was only loped at a much younger age (about 9-10 years ago) and a friend would like to use him, how would you recommend we get him to lope? he acts just like the horse in the video... he is in great health and the vet says he is sound for Riding. thanks
I guess make sure he can and will lope on a lunge line... if yes, then when you get make sure you give him a clear cue to trot. then energize up to a lope or get a good swat...
I have an ex police horse who hasn't been worked in 10 years, he came into our possession when a fried of my mom's couldn't take care of him, and previously he was from Mississippi where he was living out retirement in a pasture, he was retired from the working force when he was 15, given to rehab at about that time, and is now 25. He is very calm and sweet, depending on what you ask him to do. But I am just 14, I am not sure how to work with him and get a saddle up on him and such. Any tips?
He is probably good to go! Just always be preparing him for what you are about to do next so he is never surprised... Be clear in Communication AND Correction
Good job, Gerry, on both horses. It is a sad day in America when the PC, horse huggers are so ignorant that they can't get through their bias to see what the paint was saying to you. Had he had someone with a good 'sense of self' train him in the first place...he'd never had the thoughts that you read so correctly. If you don't have respect from a horse, you don't have a good horse you can trust and you need to go raise goats. Leave horsemanship to those who can do the job to produce a reliable mount. That paint learned respect for you, but if handled the same as his original teachings, he'll be back to his old tricks in no time. Might have been good to put the owner in the ring...sigh.....
As these things go, I sure make no claim at being an expert, but even 'IF' I can get a horse to change his behavior and listen and respond to me sure doesn't mean when he goes back the owners will simply go back to their ways, regardless of how much instruction, advice and suggestion we give them.. people have habits they can't break and so goes the cycle...
I'd say everything he is doing is correct. He has a different, more hurried style, but the basic training of teach by the release of pressure is right on.
Well I appreciate the observations, these horses were brought in to simply work with for a day or two, not a 30-60 day deal, so I was under some pressure to Get Something Done yes... Thanks
I have a welsh pony thats been out of action for a while and he has a serious attitude problem, thank you so much for this video cause i now have something constructive i can use when he challenges me!
In the evolution of horsmenahship there are some things I'd do different now
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship what have you learned that you wouldnt do now? I know if I could go back Id have a quiet word with myself haha.
I still feel like your were very quiet and calm in this video and thats something a lot of horse folk need to learn
I need some help/advice. I bought a horse that I rode a few years ago on lease. He's Smart Little Lena's cousin and pretty well minded. Thing is, he was trained by a guy who liked him as a colt but had no clue what a horse even was. So, now he's 11 with a bolting problem that I mostly got under control that first year leasing him. Now his owners don't seem to have any real advice about what to do but 'Keep going you'll get it' or 'Don't do that it's to harsh' thing is, he has taken to rearing up on me and my older sister who's working for a professional trainer. They think tying his head down for rearing is a bad idea and abusive. I'm not looking to change his current training, but to completely retrain him... I just need him to give in to what I'm asking... Any tips???
Tying the head is not the problem... Too much pressure may be... In my mindI'd sure teach him to moive his hip on command.. a horse can't rear when his hind feet are moving sideways and he has to plant a front foot to pivot on!
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship Thank you! I will be sure to work on that from now on. If I have any more problems can I contact you?
@@lacisix2557 Of course
Thank you for this vid!! It gave me a couple tips to try with my gelding.
I have a Standardbred gelding that acts almost identical to the paint horse in the start of your video. I know my guy is VERY smart, and fairly dominant. And if I don't correct him, he WILL get aggressive. But, I do like him, and he's a GREAT trail horse because he's not scared. :)
And dealing with a willful horse is completely different than messing around with a dead broke lesson horse.
Please don't let the know-it-all haters get to you. I think that some people are just so used to seeing the plodding along lesson horses and never have to deal with a horse that's not perfectly bomb proof, and beginner safe. (Plus I'm sure you know that those armchair trainers are experts, and can always do better than a true professional trainer! LOL)
Well I appreciate those kind words.. the big paint was all scatter-brained the day before and was all VERY Fidgetty & Jiggy until I laid some correction to him, then he decoded to stand still and walk......He was also Very stumble and almst fell several times. I suggested she not lope him.. One foot turns Way In.. I sure make no claim to be an expert..
I've also got a big paint mare. And she's green. She wasn't trained to do anything until I got her at 9 years old. But she's a willing girl, and a quick learner. So thank goodness I don't have two horses with attitude issues. LOL She'll test us, but once she sees that I'll call her bluff, she quits.
Whereas, my gelding will keep pushing. LOL
I just really like your style. It's as gentle as the horse allows. I consider it a "common horse sense" style training. LOL
If you've got one challenging you, that's definitely not the time to try to make friends. LOL
Lol where the hell did you get 13 from?and this is NOT the video you showed earlier.... you were mean
I have no idea who you are... or what you are talking about... This video has not been edited... I also don't apologize for what I am doing... I am also not scaring these horses and anyone with a ilk of common horse sense can see exactly what I am doing, some one with no horse sense and very little exposure to horses will not... When you have been hired to start over 5600 horses and have worked with a couple of thousand others... have been mentored by more than 15 world champion horseman and been invited to judge the national Colt Starting Finals in Las Vegas every year.. I'll listen to your criticism... I looked one 'commenter up', she was 13.. Was it You? I sure don't know... And frankly don't care... send or share me ONE video of you working an undisciplined horse.. My guess is you have none and like most critiques will respond "I don't have anything to prove"... neither do I.... I risk my life and my reputation by putting these little videos out there... May Undress of people THANK me... a few 'wanna-be' horse trainers like you criticize...
Another tutorial that will benefit those (like me) to recognize when a horse will blow. Correcting bad behavior and becoming the leader will keep you safe .
@@GerryCoxHorsemanship you have amazing videos. You are always welcome to come to my barn i have a horse late teens and I need help.@diamond D ranch Snohomish wa
@@kota8605 Well, I'm just a Plane ticket away! hahaha Missoula to Seattle is probably $400. Do you have an indoor arena? maybe we coudl do a clinic, stay a day or two! 509-378-2251
The poor horse didn't know what you were asking. in the beginning i thought okay this is the kind of training im looking for no hitting or anything. As soon as you hit that horse my eyes started to water. The horse flinched when you threw the rope over the saddle because it was scared because you just hit him. You NEVER go towards the front of the horse in any situation. He also backed because he was scared people believe that is training but you do it in that order so the horse is scared every time you shake that rope that you are going to hit him. You are turning him and turning him and he doesn't know anything. He has been on a long break and forgot everything. HE WAS SCARED AND WORRIED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HIT HIM. People like you are the reason people come to me, a 13 year old, to train their horse because they hate the way you and others treat horses.I feel bad for all people who hand over their horses to you expecting actual training. Instead they get a frightened horse that learned off of abuse.
I'm not sure which portion you are concerned about but if a horse comes at you and in the heat of the moment you may do whatever you feel is necessary to save your life... To purposefully hit a horse in the face or an eye I am sure not in favor of but to keep one from running over me I sure may ... I won't apologize but sure take no pleasure in it either
Simple Equestrian I totally agree with what this girl iOS saying, you're demeaned and attitude with this horse is against everything I believe, you're scaring him, you're being mean and sarcastic .. talking to a horse this way embarrassed me for you... being the bully never works
It is obvious that at age 13 your no doubt an expert in your field of professional horse training and have nothing more to learn.... so I stand humbled by your broad experience and observation...
Gerry Cox oh yes... the skill is so great!!!!! who in their right dang mind would allow a 13 year old girl to train their horse? (I'm 14 and smarter than that) I hate when people make stuff up... it like when you lie about your grades to your parents, when people find out then no one trusts you again about that...i agree completely with the gentleman in the video. I have a horse who will buck you off on purpose! either you know what you are doing or you get off. no one else rides him but the trainer and I... I would never tell anyone he is begginer safe (although I would trust him with a newborn baby on the ground Just not on him)
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I sure got a lot of Thumbs Down on this one! Oh Well... Just trying to help..
They probably just don’t understand American cowboy horse trainer discipline technique. The kids saw you spank the horse and their minds slammed shut, they probably thought that you were hurting the horse. We know that the horse was not hurt, may have stung a little bit, but he sure paid attention to his intolerable, and dangerous behavior. If you would have not corrected the problem immediately with a little discipline you would have to deal with it in the future in less favorable circumstance and someone might get injured. You are not only a great horseman but a great instructor as well, you do a superb job of explaining what you are doing. Oh well, some kids didn’t learn a thing and someday they are going to get themselves into a jackpot.
Gerry you are amazing!
What if the horse tried to rear while doing that bc my horse has a problem with rearing and I'm working with him but it's getting frustrating do u have any suggestions
Maybe a bit to harsh on a horse. But in general I like how you gain horses respect.
wow i just love watching u ride horses =) and u handle horses with magic sir...i sure would never call u a coward ! u are one of the best horse trainers ive seen...sure wish u could work with my fella =)
+Giselle B A very nice comment from a very lovely lady, thanks!!!
This is NOT horseman ship. This is manipulation of the horses brain. I'm all for being a little more tough on a horse if they refuse to listen but will never lay any sort of hand, whip or rope on a horse. All you are doing is teaching that horse to fear you. I hope nobody takes these tips from you.
Well, when I have worked with as many horses as you have I am sure I will be al to better...
This is old but I agree, i own and work with a nut mare but I never use any sort of physical punishment for being naughty, i hated seeming him lay into that first horse for getting spooky
Animal ASMR she’s a nut mare because you’re letting her be a nut mare. There is nothing wrong with moderated physical discipline.
Why would u hit the poor horse
For the same reason his mother would kick him I guess... Give a slight, watch for a response, escalate the cue and "Bite, Strike or Kick" just like his mother... Maybe you've never studied any 'Natural Horsemanship" , it may give you a little better understanding of horse behavior and response..
There is a difference between insuring your horse knows who’s in charge, and saying “I’m just gonna light right into him”. He’s continuously aggressive if this horse acts anyway “threatening “. The horse is protecting himself. I’ve seen many many horse trainers, and heard many. This guy might get a horse trained, but he’s not gonna get respect and softness, just resignation.
Maybe what you DON'T know is the people brought him to me because he has been charging them and acting out aggressively to them and they have been Running from him as opposed to standing their ground to him... Maybe Another thing you Don't know is that a couple of days later he was nice as a church mouse...
Gerry Cox yes, many things will behave when they are smacked into submission. I prefer a gentler touch. There is no need for been rough and constantly smacking a horse because you think they have an attitude. How many times has Monty Roberts used those tactics? Or Parrelli? 🧐
@@heatherrobbins3904 Well, I can't wait to become an expert like you.
@@heatherrobbins3904 I have to say that I think you are being unreasonable on a number of levels. First, Gerry has posted *many* videos on TH-cam for free for us to watch. You have not. So right there, he deserves a certain amount of respect and appreciation, even if you disagree with him. Or is respect only for the horse but not the human?
Second, I volunteer at a horse rescue and own a mustang. Every horse is different. Some need a soft hand and some a firmer one. I use clicker training as well as pressure and release. But I need to have a level of behavior expected from the horse. It's a safety issue first and foremost. Too many people learn to ride almost out of control horses. And if you tolerate misbehavior, then that's what you are training in. I honestly saw nothing in the video that would demoralize any of the horses being worked with or could be characterized as abuse. It looked like Gerry was simply trying to make a safe horse, and he seems to have high standards for what a horse's behavior should be.
Third, I've watched a video of Monty Roberts chasing down a wild mustang for 24 hours and then throwing a saddle on it, getting on and riding it. I've watched Monty's Standing Still for the Farrier video. He "schools" the horse by scaring the sh!t out of it. So much so that the farrier is wearing a helmet. And Monty is deeply involved in horse racing, an industry that kills 23 horses every week in the US alone. And I've watched a video of Linda Parelli snapping a halter and lead against a horses face for twenty minutes. WTF purpose does that serve? All these examples IMHO are abuse. (I see nothing remotely similar in Gerry's video.) But even that being said, I know that Linda Parelli and Monty Roberts know much more about horses than I do, so I at least have to give them a level of respect that their time and devotion to horses deserves.
Just my very longwinded two cents.
@@danmoretti4808 Well I sure appreciate that defense! One thing that lady refuses to recognize is that the one or few times I ever had to get 'firm' she didn't recognize that I never had to get firm again... the horse seemed to realize hIS behavior had consequences. Kind of like his mother may have done to him if he pestered or acted aggressive to wards her.. She would roll her eyes, Pin her Ears, Bow up her neck and if he failed to back off she would Lash Put with a Strike, Bite or a KICK eh!! People like that will talk a lot and never offer up a single video of themselves. Thanks
I can tell you've been doing this for a long time and you have some really nice communication with the horse, but I would recommend reconsidering one technique in particular. Within the first minute I saw you invite the horse in to you when it was acting up. You gave the horse a break at the moment he was acting up and essentially trained him to buck/kick in order to get a break. Of course he tried that again because it worked the first time. You need to keep his feet moving until he stops acting up. The moment he stops acting up you can release pressure and invite him into you for a break.
Good job he does have a attitude but he is off on the rear right back legs when the hope like a bunny in the rear end they are off , I’ve been massaging my horses for a year know and I’ve learned a lot about there bodies, but I think you do a good job training
Rear right hind leg on the paint
Rear right hind leg on the paint in the stifel
Yes we pointed that out to her.. Good Eye!
Terrible trainer
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Why hit a horse? If you are a proper horse trainer, you can get the horse to yield without hitting. Poor Horse.
Maybe you've never had one plow you down or run you over...Work with a few hundred, it may happen some day.. Until then... Your lack of experience doesn't;t make you any more of an expert than me...
@@LDLutes-tu4yo Thanks Bro! Although she may hav e a point, yes I can teach a horse to do a lot of things without 'touching' I'm, but when some one brings you a horse and says "Can you help me in ONE or TWO short sessions", ya kind a gotta step up the pace eh?
Gerry Cox this is actually the first video I have seen from you and I am very impressed with your training. These kids that are post your video on Facebook as horrible horsemanship are just that they are kids and have probably never dealt with an actual dangerous horse. I and my husband are both trainers and commend you for your methods. There are too many people letting these 1000lb animals get away with everything and then they come to us and put us in a dangerous situation! So thank you for the video and keep up the good work
I made Horrible Horsemanship!?? Haha.. Badge of Honor! Yes, we seem to get a fair share of spoiled horses.. no discipline, no respect, run over people, run AWAY with people... My good friends and world champions say "YOUR Job is a lot tougher than OURS!! We get GOOD Horses from GOOD people to work with!!"