I appreciate Wright's continual use of "the narrative," reminding Christians to remember the entire gospel message which leads to joy. The problem most of us have with suffering is, because pain can be so intense, we loose perspective and our experience become the only narrative we remember. Thank you for posting this excellent conversation.
Wright's comments on the funeral for the child are spot on. There is no immediate joy in that situation, a situation where, to borrow from Solzhenitsyn, the world is split apart. Rather, the joy is found when things are made right by God. When God restores all things, and even the particular things. I experienced that with my dad's death. In dealing with that suffering, I got to the point where love must've been a biological trick. Clearly, when looking at the corps, the immediate lesson is that, when burying his body, I was burying the love, joy, and friendship I had with my dad. Doesn't that all end once he's in the grave? Thankfully, in light of the Resurrection, the answer the Christian Tradition gives is no. There is joy in that.
I couldn’t even bury my father because of coronavirus, but I completely relate to what you say here. I will also say that God granted me an inexplicable joy even when he was agonizing in the hospital halfway across the world and I had no direct communication with him. I knew the Lord himself was shepherding his heart until the end.
Nice topic that is the theology of Joy. At the present situation as the Bishop said that we are living in a confused world. Naturally the outcome is that the word Joy can be interchangeably used with the word Suffereing. Thank you.
I appreciate Wright's continual use of "the narrative," reminding Christians to remember the entire gospel message which leads to joy. The problem most of us have with suffering is, because pain can be so intense, we loose perspective and our experience become the only narrative we remember. Thank you for posting this excellent conversation.
Wright's comments on the funeral for the child are spot on. There is no immediate joy in that situation, a situation where, to borrow from Solzhenitsyn, the world is split apart. Rather, the joy is found when things are made right by God. When God restores all things, and even the particular things.
I experienced that with my dad's death. In dealing with that suffering, I got to the point where love must've been a biological trick. Clearly, when looking at the corps, the immediate lesson is that, when burying his body, I was burying the love, joy, and friendship I had with my dad. Doesn't that all end once he's in the grave?
Thankfully, in light of the Resurrection, the answer the Christian Tradition gives is no. There is joy in that.
I couldn’t even bury my father because of coronavirus, but I completely relate to what you say here. I will also say that God granted me an inexplicable joy even when he was agonizing in the hospital halfway across the world and I had no direct communication with him. I knew the Lord himself was shepherding his heart until the end.
Taking joy in human suffering is Christian theology.
Great insight from N.T.Wright, really enjoyed the conversation!
Awesome stuff. Love both of these guys.
A reasoned response to joy and suffering. Thank you for posting.
Nice topic that is the theology of Joy. At the present situation as the Bishop said that we are living in a confused world. Naturally the outcome is that the word Joy can be interchangeably used with the word Suffereing. Thank you.
very interesting❣️
this is our prayer
Or perhaps JOY arises not simply in spite of sorrow but because of SORROW. Just as with Job it is a JOY and PEACE that pass all understanding.
HORSE SHIT!!!!!