As a MFT shooter, many of these topics have been thrown at me through the years, and kudos for being so blunt and open about these! We need to stop with the extremes and learn our gear, before we go out and spew untruthful "knowledge" 😂 Subscribed 🤙
I just shot a wedding with a Nikon Z8 and my 2nd camera was my D3s...😂 it came out great. 45mp vs 12mp... they actually really liked all the photos from the D3s.
I worked in an ad agency as an art director back in 2008, and I shot many things on an 8mp Canon 20D that we used for billboards. The megapixel thing drives me absolutely insane. I'd much rather have an image that is unique, meaningful, and characterful than an image that's 60mp.
@@TimGreigPhotography Well, it wouldn't matter if you shot with an 8mp camera or an 80mp camera. A 14x48' billboard is going to look like a bunch of dots from a meter away. LOL
(APS-C user) Micro four thirds is totally fine for many genres of photography, we don't need crazy blur and maximum light sensitivity in genres of photography like landscape or architecture.
i use my Olympus EM1 MK2 for concert photography, and it works perfectly fine for me. Yes, there are some challenges in low light, sometimes, but nothing a few adjustments to iso and ss cant change!
I am mainly a filmmaker. But, I think corner sharpness, often demonstrated in lens reviews, is overblown. In these reviews, they often zoom into the corner by 400-500% to look at the sharpness in the corner. Unless you're looking at the corner of a photo with a magnifying glass, you're not going to notice any softness in the corner of a photo. As far as color grading goes, 10-bit is a lot more flexible in post. You're looking at 16 million color spectrum in 8-bit, whereas 10-bit provides a 1.07 billion color spectrum. Yes, it's best to get exposure right in camera. But, you can't downplay the flexibility of 10-bit footage in post when it comes to color grading. I worked on 40 feature films as a visual effects artist, and we don't touch anything under 10-bit DPX sequences. So, yes, 10-bit is dramatically superior to 8-bit. Sorry.
The argument of aps c vs full frame was always weird how it was valid until the same logic was used with medium format and full frame then it didn’t matter…people always like to argue for no reason
Every camera is "full frame". The sensor captures (almost) the entire lens projection. It's an idiotic term. And yes, where does that place Medium and large format? "Over Frame"? Idiotic!
Mine is always photographers at a famous location complaining about there being too many other photographers like they are not also part of the crowd. Yeah, it's annoying, but we're also part of the reason these places are crowded and I also love seeing people excited about a hobby that I love doing too. (As long as people are also respectful and following rules, etc.)
I am a fan and a subscriber . I love your direct approach and it is needed more and more these days. i enjoy the process of taking photos and having fun with it. I have also heard and read about some of these dumbest complaints and how a camera from 2008 to 2014 can't take good pictures. For me , i suck sometimes at finding the balance with the light and i am totally fine with that as i am still learning every single day. I am so loving the whole adventure and process. Thank you for the space and for your channel :)
I don't often comment on videos on TH-cam, but I just had to on this one. What a refreshing, honest and candid video this was. All the specific camera fan boys out there who just love to spend all their time on forums, criticising other people for not having the systems that they have - get a fucking life. Concentrate on taking images that you really enjoy taking and stop wasting your own time worrying about others. I see a Nikon fanboy on DPReview shitting on every other person saying that they have "no clue about photography " because they don't own a Nikon. Bullshit. A great video, well done.
i've argued everything mentioned here for years lol and i've had people argue and try to debate me and its like hey like what you like, but don't knock someone else because someone manipulated you into thinking a certain camera, lens, style or sensor size is less than. i appreciate how forward you are without a care in the world!
Yes to the megapixels. I've taken pictures on a d700 within the past decade that are printed on billboards. No one ever sees them and thinks, "oh man that's shot on an old camera".
Thanks for this. So many things you talked about are irritating to me as well. I'm not a professional, but I have been a serious enthusiast since the late 1980s - early 1990s, and when you've been exposed to photography this long (pardon the pun), you've kinda 'seen them all'. The trends, the good stuff, the stupid stuff, the "gear is everything" vs "gear doesn't matter", the megapixel myth, those who talk more than they shoot, etc. etc. But yes, megapixels and sensor size are on the S tier for me as well. One of the DSLRs I still have the most fun shooting with is the Nikon D2Hs. When I show people some photos taken with it without saying which camera I used, the most typical reactions are: "Did you take these with a film camera? Of course, of course you have, they look so much better than digital photos", or "Oh, what did you shoot these with? One of the latest [insert camera maker] mirrorless cameras?" - When I reveal that they were taken on a FOUR megapixel digital SLR from 2005 the reactions are priceless. Cheers! //Rick
Fantastic video Dee. I just came across your video for the first time and I am now a subscriber. My 10 year old Fujifilm APS-C, 16 MP, or my four year old Canon APS-C 24 MP, regardless of their differences, are quite capable of producing quality images; if not, it's on me, not the camera. If my images are crap it's on me. I'm waiting on the framer to complete a 20 by 30 inch landscape print on canvas. I made the shot last October under tough early morning conditions. I am so chuffed about this shot. The printer, also a photographer, claimed I was pushing the limits with my Canon. Don't care. Cheers.🙏
I agree with most of your list. My argument in favor of full frame, for people getting into photography, is the ability to adapt vintage lenses and getting the full image with all of its charm and character. They’re also so much more affordable than they used to be. Also, film is extremely cost prohibitive for any new photographer, discouraging experimentation. But these are my opinions, not going to tell anyone they’re doing it wrong.
I think shitting on high price cameras is fine. Just cause youre not gonna buy it doesn't mean you cant talk shit or bitch. Especially in art high priced gear can get ridiculous considering you can make a great image with a $60 camera from 5 decades ago. you don't just have to sit ideally and accept the bullshit camera manufacturers pull. Shilling for a billion dollar company is never the move.
People automatically assume the price has the correlate with a feature set more features / bigger camera means pricier. This is stupid, almost all cameras are artificially priced to some extent. I highly doubt it costs $2,000 more to produce an r1 versus an r5. People who complained about the price of a Leica, usually are those neither can afford nor understand that the value isn't just the amount of features but can relate to the craftsmanship user experience or something intangible.
@@kytoober5137 and what about the people that understand that, can afford the cameras it and still thinks its overpriced or a bad value. This strawman of acting like the only reason that you can take issue with these crazy business practices is because you "simply don't get it" is so weird. Is being outright complacent with the idea of greed so appealing?
@@fukolombobby It isn't a strawman. It's fair that some people may still think a camera is poor value or a ripoff because of the price regardless if they can afford it. However people who honestly are basing it on the value and not just a price to spec comparison are the exception not the rule. Most of the time it is poor people being salty. For example, I love Leica cameras. I would love to afford one someday. I don't think they are a ripoff because I wouldn't be buying one for the "popular features" like cutting edge autofocus or raw 4k video. I would be buying for an experience I enjoy. Is that stupid? Maybe, but most purchases are emotional to some extent. The fact that they aren't made in a sweatshop in Thailand plays into the price too. I enjoy the process and not just the results. Not everyone is in photography to optimize for comfort, convenience, accuracy or speed. On the same note I can still acknowledge that the Lytro was a ripoff as it didn't deliver the value the pricetag demanded. So was the first hasselblad mirrorless camera. Most decent photographs can be produced on a cellphone or entry level crop sensor. Greed isn't the only reason a camera is priced high and to believe that means you probably don't understand the production or operation side at all. Back to my original point most "normal priced" cameras aren't priced based on material cost
I just bought my first mirrorless. It’s a Fuji X-T2. 24mp and I’m so excited to see how prints will look. I saw a quote on reddit that I actually tried to keep front of mind when picking my camera “if it was a good camera then it’s a good camera now” My camera is less than ten years old and does everything I neeed and more… without IBIS😅😂
Well said!, and i agree with you on (almost) all the points you mentioned. most people watching photography related content on youtube are people who are not professional photographers, and therefore easily influenced by others. That is one of the reasons the fuji x100VI is so popular. Some people want a full frame camera, because they think others will take their photography serious for just that. But who cares? They forget the most important thing: as long as you don't have to make a living with it, photography should give you pleasure, it should be fun.
As an older, mostly film photographer I've never thought of blaming my equipment for bad shots. It's always what the eff did I do wrong? It's a bit like missing the nail, and blaming the hammer. Nice summary, btw
I like how straight you're about things man, great video. I feel like a lot of photographer's complain about battery prices, it kinda annoys me but it might be only me idk
1:34 Gotta disagree on anyone can shoot auto and be a pro. You can have a $15k Hasselblad, but if your composition is shit, you just take 100mp shit photos.
@@alanjcravophotography4149 I usually like what he has to say. He seemed like he was in a bad mood when he posted this. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. For now.
I spent more on my printer than i ever have on a camera body. The Rockwell quote is gold lol. I see so many comments of why are my images so noisy i was at iso 100 lol
Wanted to show support by throwing in my 2 cents; I agree with most everything you said here. Photography sits in this weird chasm of art and technology where technically-minded people often can feel creative because they understand the technical aspects...and when they aren't satisfied with their own work they blame the tech. Because to these entitled people, gadgets and tech only exist to compensate for their ineptitude. They lack the capacity for self-reflection, unable to ask: “Have I put in the effort worthy of the results I expect?” They can’t accept that the answer is almost certainly “no.” Because if they had, they’d realize the problem isn’t the equipment Low bar of entry = lowbrow infestation. It unfortunately comes with the territory.
Awesome post. I get agree with you. I have been shooting since 1971 I really enjoy it. Over the years I found my comfort zone with small, nimble gear that produces images I like. I do not own Leica but I love their images. I do own Fuji ( XS 20) and enjoy the out of camera jpeg and save a raw copy. I study the camera and experiment to constantly stretch my understanding of light. I am a Designer, and used my natural feel for composition and worked on the creative and science part of photography. I really do not care about price as if I wanted to I could buy more expensive hardware. My next goal is to get into more serious platforms for post processing than hardware. To be honest it is as much about the challenge of learning than the actual results achievable because with my Apple post processing tools I can achieve some very nice images. I think too many photographers seem to be obsessed with statistical information or a brand status than the craft itself. There are some stats I like because at age 75 I am not as steady as I use to be…and while I know how to hold and support the camera I find IBIS helps me achieve better sharp focus so I like that feature on my Fuji. I like the Fuji because their color science makes it fun remain creative and the ergonomics work well for me.
As a recent new subscriber ( a few months ago I think) this has to be one of the best photography videos that I have seen lately ! Keep them coming. Actually, I was only going to say, "Image quality vs Quality Image" Pick your poison....
I enjoy photography as a personal hobby, focusing on what brings me pleasure without any commercial intent or social media sharing. My preference leans towards full-frame cameras, particularly Nikon, which I've remained loyal to despite trends favoring other brands like Sony. I've stuck with Nikon through their ups and downs because I genuinely love their products. Currently, my favorite is the 24MP full-frame ZF camera. However, I do wish Nikon offered medium format cameras, which could enhance my photography experience, but since they don't, I continue happily with what they provide.
lately i've picked up a 16mp camera and made some of my best photos with it...I admit that its IR converted but still the resolution doesn't drag it down at all
One thing I didn't hear specifically mentioned is the whole ISO / noise thing. With the exception of some ugl, digital noise, people go crazy over having any noise or grain as if it's the most important element in the photograph. Many of the greatest photographs have grain or noise, I still run into photographers who insist they will never shoot over ISO 400, when most modern cameras you can do much higher clean.
A lot of gear-focused/review YT channels and sites unfortunately perpetuate a lot of this. Not all - but a lot, let's be honest. Mfs eat that shit up and make it their whole personality. And they think it makes up for the fact that they haven't actually put the work in to hone their craft, been in the trenches, etc.
Love your channel ❤ A great image is not determined by gear and bragging rights, more so good composition, how you use the available light and how creative the artistic cortex of ones brain functions….kudos
What's the camera on your desk? I know this question is anti some of your points on the video but its sticking out as a design beauty and I can't identify it lol
"It's not the arrow it's the Indian." I roll my eyes at lens comparisons when they complain that a lens doesn't have aperture rings, focus hold buttons, clicked and de-clicked...what the heck does that have to do with anything. Last time I checked my camera body took care of that stuff just fine. It doesn't lessen a lens when the manufacturer leaves that out for cost or weight. And last gripe...aren't most sensors made by Sony regardless of the name on the camera body?????
The old iPhone 7 Plus in my pocket has more power than the NC 2000. The very first DSLR we used on a newspaper back in the day. Affectionately called a boat anchor.
When they whine over the internet and just blame the camera, due to a thing went wrong. That kind, no respect at all. As if their growth stopped at the age of 6. Love sharpness, can crop and enlarge endlessly. Got to learn alot when you see the picture in post with other eyes.
IBIS makes a difference. With old slow vintage lenses. 😂 Btw, that is also a reason for the fullframe sensor size, to please the old fullframe lenses. Moreover that there's little that speaks for FF for normal hobbyists.
Love you videos man, I wanna share something about my experience if you will. So in the beginning when I got into photography, I was at least into some of the things you discussed here, and being a blind newbie, I think the greater technology is always better because I was born in 90s and never experiences film age. So for digital, newer is better, and I was into those conversation for a while. Then I hit the street, being a student when I first picked up my serious camera, I got nothing to shoot but the street, and quickly I discovered the works of those masters. That is what strike me the most. So I dived into the world of photography, paying attention to many things included composition. Till this day I still love the saying that "learning about composition just to forget them" in a way. Colors, contrast, and many things unrelated to the specs part were eventually entered my horizon. So I guess I didn't become a better photographer. But I am no longer a specs photographer. Like ricer in the world of cars. I love photography, with life going busy and stuff, lately, I was into the philosophy part of the photography. Needless to say it is a complex topics, but funny enough, I found myself taking photos more casually instead of having to take every pics perfect. I had done some client work along the way, that is when I still spend 100% of my focus to make the photo count, other than that, I'm just happy to record the moment. My cameras journey are like: Canon 6D - Sony A7R2 - Fujifilm X100V - Leica M11. Those are my main cameras route, today I still own Hassleblad X1D, Leica Q and Leica M11, along with my X100V (I still have it). I am grateful that I got to enjoy the power of those different tools. And I was never trying to show them off because before I bought X100V in 2020, I already know the gears do not matter for what you will be able to achieve. And I always encourage my friends who got into the photography after me, to start small. A camera you are willing to bring out is the best always. So I think you video is great. I would not join any of those conversation no more because we know it wont matter. But I would also encourage my friends to get out of them if I found any, but let them enjoy the growth at the same time. If they could not got rid of those discussion, maybe they are just a genuine consumer that all camera companies need haha. Love your work, especially your straightforwardness. Keep them up.
it bugs me so much when people tell me to get full frame, I am an APS-C enthusiast because it lets me compose tightly, and get a crop since i love telephotography. Nowadays I am saving for an A7IV and people shiddin on it saying "but it has only 14 mpx on apsc and cant record video well" like stfu dog, you complain about a camera not being good enough for video while you're shooting a cinematic of you preparing your porsche to go do urban night? get a proper cinema camera and crew for half the price of the porsche, holy cow. And the people that talk to me saying "get the a6700 it has better af" (no it does not, it has been PROVEN besides the fact I don't want an ergonomic downgrade from my A77II) Truth is there are _more sponsorship channels disguised as protographers than actual photographers_ and we're reaching a point where hobbyists and REAL professionals are already outdoing these self proclaimed pros like jared polin and many more that have this "coccy persona" also yes, Sony is my personality, not because of a brand, but because it meant to me so much since I am a hobbyist. But I hate them more than I like them to be honest. Reason why Ain't switching to fuji or any other brand is because it will make all my Minolta lenses bold and useless and it would be a HUUUGE investment to transition, when (because I am a hobbyist and don't crop more than aps-c) i just need an A7IV and an adapter to go for ten more years like my sony a77ii did to me since early 2015 and like my a200 did when my uncle gifted it to me when I was barely 6 years old.
I remember using the Nikon d7000, that had backfocus issues with anything other than wide slow lenses, not to mention it had no focus assist features (other than live view zoom in). A good photographer once told me it's me, not the camera. A year later he borrowed my D7000 and it fucked up his entire photo shoot. Of course I reminded him about what he said a year ago. While he did not remember saying that to me, he never forgot the failed photo shoot and keeps mentioning it to this day.
I agree with number 1 for sure. Why wouldn't "film guys" want more people shooting film? It might bring the cost of everything down. I haven't even been able to afford to shoot film for the past 20 years lol. Number 2 i am guilty of to an extent. I use a 7Riii because I'm poor and i also can't afford proper lenses. My 200 is a Canon from 1990. I crop a ton so the MP's actually help a ton. And i print large after said huge crops lol
Also, Plastic Mount is not metal. S Tier. Show me an instance where the plastic mount broke that wouldn't have otherwise also broken the lens even if it was metal. Plastic mounts are only on small and light lenses because the durability of the plastic is all that's needed. Putting a metal mount on it would only add weight and cost.
I think it’s valid to have preferences on some of these points based on your level of experience but complaining on the internet in general is not very awesome.
I love the first 1 about film because film was all we had when I was a kid and even into my teenage years. This was at the same time as the boom of the digital camera and instead of buying film we were buying disposable cameras. And we just take pictures and have fun and when its developed, just hope for the fucking best. This was film guys, this was film. Edit: I just have to add that the last point reminds me wedding photographers. And the amount of bitching and chest puffing some do in Reddit is astounding.
I'm old enough to remember film, the waiting and limits on frames always bothered me, I shoot an old Sony with 0 autofocus lenses, I'm with Sony because of the adaptability of mirrorless, and the age of Sony cameras available vs Canon and Nikon (there are no decade old Nikon or Canon full frame cameras on the market to buy used). On cost, it's because it's a niche market. If cameras were still selling like 2006 there would be powerful full frame bodies under $1000, as it stands, the numbers are shockingly low, so of course cameras are expensive. The used market fucking that's happened, where the used discount is 3-5% in some cases is fucking absurd though.
I am so sick of complaints about technical stuff with the technically-mind-blowing cameras we have today. Just get out there and get the damn picture like everybody else has done for decades ffs When somebody complaints about this or that camera not shooting 300fps I just wanna say to them: Wow! Congrats! Now you can shoot 300 shitty pictures per second
No photographer will ever complain about the lack of V-log or any stupid video features. In fact i will complain that camera manufacturers put all these stupid features in photography cameras. JUST PRODUCE A PURE PHOTOGRAPHY CAMERA FFS
the weight of a camera should have #11 LOL. I'm 68 years old and use a F5 pretty regularly and the weight doesn't bother me. if you can't old 2 lb camera maybe you should do something else .
@DeeRosa said that before video ended ...some of what you said is true ...some THE reason I use meduim format is that it essentially gives you 3 lenses with insane cropping ability 🤔 Something many people rarely mention
Thank you so much for this. For me the only thing about gear that matters is if you're having fun with your camera. But I'm just so damn tired of photographers bitchin about cameras these days "oh its only 24 mp and the AF doesnt react to eyes within .07 seconds???? BAD" mf how do you think they took photos of the olympics before auotfocus even existed
Me enjoying a X2D with a l02 megapixel camera because i dont have the range to reach my subject on stage so i just crop in. That and its so fucking fun to crop shit in and have less restrictions because i can take an overall shot but zoom in to the face when i fee like it😈
08:58 I would throw Fuji photographers in there over Canon. Canon boys have been silent for the most part. It's Sony and Fuji photographers who hype up their gear too much. Nikon, Canon, and the MFT community haven't been as loud.
@@DeeRosa yes andddddd I also have a response for all of the people that speak about how others use to shoot on smaller megapixels and blow the photos up to huge sizes… it’s just like video resolution that was played in theaters.. it was blown up as well but when we started seeing 1080 and 4k it was a major difference when it was blown up. Way more detail in a 4k video vs 320. And these megapixels hold a lotttttt of megapixels. Shooting beauty I can spot the difference and my customers do as well when they are zooming in on their faces
Is your middle name Shohei cause you just stole my heart with this list. ❤
This is the greatest compliment I’ve ever received.
Honorable Mention: “this is an image taken with [insert new flagship smartphone] vs [insert camera], which one is better?”
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As a MFT shooter, many of these topics have been thrown at me through the years, and kudos for being so blunt and open about these! We need to stop with the extremes and learn our gear, before we go out and spew untruthful "knowledge" 😂
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I just shot a wedding with a Nikon Z8 and my 2nd camera was my D3s...😂 it came out great. 45mp vs 12mp... they actually really liked all the photos from the D3s.
I worked in an ad agency as an art director back in 2008, and I shot many things on an 8mp Canon 20D that we used for billboards. The megapixel thing drives me absolutely insane. I'd much rather have an image that is unique, meaningful, and characterful than an image that's 60mp.
@@MatthewMorse more mps does give a little advantage but the way we act like you can do something without 40mp is crazy.
@@DeeRosa agree wholeheartedly. Appreciate your take on a lot of this stuff. Keep up the great work.
Yeah but stand a metre away from the billboard 😂😂😂.
@@TimGreigPhotography … that would be the case with a 50mp camera… do you know how billboard prints work? Lmao
@@TimGreigPhotography Well, it wouldn't matter if you shot with an 8mp camera or an 80mp camera. A 14x48' billboard is going to look like a bunch of dots from a meter away. LOL
(APS-C user) Micro four thirds is totally fine for many genres of photography, we don't need crazy blur and maximum light sensitivity in genres of photography like landscape or architecture.
i use my Olympus EM1 MK2 for concert photography, and it works perfectly fine for me. Yes, there are some challenges in low light, sometimes, but nothing a few adjustments to iso and ss cant change!
@@zaon21 jealous of the IBIS in all the cheap m43 cameras the cheaper aps-c ones dont have it lol
I am mainly a filmmaker. But, I think corner sharpness, often demonstrated in lens reviews, is overblown. In these reviews, they often zoom into the corner by 400-500% to look at the sharpness in the corner. Unless you're looking at the corner of a photo with a magnifying glass, you're not going to notice any softness in the corner of a photo.
As far as color grading goes, 10-bit is a lot more flexible in post. You're looking at 16 million color spectrum in 8-bit, whereas 10-bit provides a 1.07 billion color spectrum. Yes, it's best to get exposure right in camera. But, you can't downplay the flexibility of 10-bit footage in post when it comes to color grading. I worked on 40 feature films as a visual effects artist, and we don't touch anything under 10-bit DPX sequences. So, yes, 10-bit is dramatically superior to 8-bit. Sorry.
The argument of aps c vs full frame was always weird how it was valid until the same logic was used with medium format and full frame then it didn’t matter…people always like to argue for no reason
"Use fullframe if you want the best image quality"
"but don't use medium format, that's just unnecessary, noone needs medium format"
Every camera is "full frame". The sensor captures (almost) the entire lens projection. It's an idiotic term. And yes, where does that place Medium and large format? "Over Frame"? Idiotic!
It always brightens my day to see Dee shit talking shit talkers ☀️
Me and my shit talking appreciate the support.
I missed the "manual focus vs AF" thing
Honorable mention along with, “Gear videos are dumb”.
Mine is always photographers at a famous location complaining about there being too many other photographers like they are not also part of the crowd. Yeah, it's annoying, but we're also part of the reason these places are crowded and I also love seeing people excited about a hobby that I love doing too. (As long as people are also respectful and following rules, etc.)
I am a fan and a subscriber . I love your direct approach and it is needed more and more these days. i enjoy the process of taking photos and having fun with it. I have also heard and read about some of these dumbest complaints and how a camera from 2008 to 2014 can't take good pictures. For me , i suck sometimes at finding the balance with the light and i am totally fine with that as i am still learning every single day. I am so loving the whole adventure and process. Thank you for the space and for your channel :)
I don't often comment on videos on TH-cam, but I just had to on this one. What a refreshing, honest and candid video this was. All the specific camera fan boys out there who just love to spend all their time on forums, criticising other people for not having the systems that they have - get a fucking life. Concentrate on taking images that you really enjoy taking and stop wasting your own time worrying about others. I see a Nikon fanboy on DPReview shitting on every other person saying that they have "no clue about photography " because they don't own a Nikon. Bullshit. A great video, well done.
i've argued everything mentioned here for years lol and i've had people argue and try to debate me and its like hey like what you like, but don't knock someone else because someone manipulated you into thinking a certain camera, lens, style or sensor size is less than. i appreciate how forward you are without a care in the world!
Yes to the megapixels. I've taken pictures on a d700 within the past decade that are printed on billboards. No one ever sees them and thinks, "oh man that's shot on an old camera".
I haven't been around the way in a while -- checking in, I still see you spitting all facts
I have no idea what you just said.
Thanks for this. So many things you talked about are irritating to me as well. I'm not a professional, but I have been a serious enthusiast since the late 1980s - early 1990s, and when you've been exposed to photography this long (pardon the pun), you've kinda 'seen them all'. The trends, the good stuff, the stupid stuff, the "gear is everything" vs "gear doesn't matter", the megapixel myth, those who talk more than they shoot, etc. etc. But yes, megapixels and sensor size are on the S tier for me as well.
One of the DSLRs I still have the most fun shooting with is the Nikon D2Hs. When I show people some photos taken with it without saying which camera I used, the most typical reactions are: "Did you take these with a film camera? Of course, of course you have, they look so much better than digital photos", or "Oh, what did you shoot these with? One of the latest [insert camera maker] mirrorless cameras?" - When I reveal that they were taken on a FOUR megapixel digital SLR from 2005 the reactions are priceless. Cheers! //Rick
Fantastic video Dee. I just came across your video for the first time and I am now a subscriber. My 10 year old Fujifilm APS-C, 16 MP, or my four year old Canon APS-C 24 MP, regardless of their differences, are quite capable of producing quality images; if not, it's on me, not the camera. If my images are crap it's on me. I'm waiting on the framer to complete a 20 by 30 inch landscape print on canvas. I made the shot last October under tough early morning conditions. I am so chuffed about this shot. The printer, also a photographer, claimed I was pushing the limits with my Canon. Don't care. Cheers.🙏
I agree with most of your list. My argument in favor of full frame, for people getting into photography, is the ability to adapt vintage lenses and getting the full image with all of its charm and character. They’re also so much more affordable than they used to be. Also, film is extremely cost prohibitive for any new photographer, discouraging experimentation. But these are my opinions, not going to tell anyone they’re doing it wrong.
I think shitting on high price cameras is fine. Just cause youre not gonna buy it doesn't mean you cant talk shit or bitch. Especially in art high priced gear can get ridiculous considering you can make a great image with a $60 camera from 5 decades ago. you don't just have to sit ideally and accept the bullshit camera manufacturers pull. Shilling for a billion dollar company is never the move.
Yeah, some gear is far more expensive than it would be if it didn't have some fancy brand name printed on it
People automatically assume the price has the correlate with a feature set more features / bigger camera means pricier. This is stupid, almost all cameras are artificially priced to some extent. I highly doubt it costs $2,000 more to produce an r1 versus an r5. People who complained about the price of a Leica, usually are those neither can afford nor understand that the value isn't just the amount of features but can relate to the craftsmanship user experience or something intangible.
@@kytoober5137 and what about the people that understand that, can afford the cameras it and still thinks its overpriced or a bad value. This strawman of acting like the only reason that you can take issue with these crazy business practices is because you "simply don't get it" is so weird. Is being outright complacent with the idea of greed so appealing?
@@fukolombobby It isn't a strawman. It's fair that some people may still think a camera is poor value or a ripoff because of the price regardless if they can afford it. However people who honestly are basing it on the value and not just a price to spec comparison are the exception not the rule.
Most of the time it is poor people being salty. For example, I love Leica cameras. I would love to afford one someday. I don't think they are a ripoff because I wouldn't be buying one for the "popular features" like cutting edge autofocus or raw 4k video. I would be buying for an experience I enjoy.
Is that stupid? Maybe, but most purchases are emotional to some extent. The fact that they aren't made in a sweatshop in Thailand plays into the price too. I enjoy the process and not just the results. Not everyone is in photography to optimize for comfort, convenience, accuracy or speed.
On the same note I can still acknowledge that the Lytro was a ripoff as it didn't deliver the value the pricetag demanded. So was the first hasselblad mirrorless camera.
Most decent photographs can be produced on a cellphone or entry level crop sensor. Greed isn't the only reason a camera is priced high and to believe that means you probably don't understand the production or operation side at all. Back to my original point most "normal priced" cameras aren't priced based on material cost
Everyone in this group is doing the thing I literally said was annoying - idc if you can justify it. It’s the fact you don’t ever stfu about it lol
I just bought my first mirrorless. It’s a Fuji X-T2. 24mp and I’m so excited to see how prints will look.
I saw a quote on reddit that I actually tried to keep front of mind when picking my camera “if it was a good camera then it’s a good camera now”
My camera is less than ten years old and does everything I neeed and more… without IBIS😅😂
Well said!, and i agree with you on (almost) all the points you mentioned. most people watching photography related content on youtube are people who are not professional photographers, and therefore easily influenced by others. That is one of the reasons the fuji x100VI is so popular. Some people want a full frame camera, because they think others will take their photography serious for just that.
But who cares? They forget the most important thing: as long as you don't have to make a living with it, photography should give you pleasure, it should be fun.
The Katt Williams wave is even hitting gear reviewers? Daaaaaamn 😂
😂😂😂
First time in years, I had to put the speed to 0.75X to be able to digest everything correctly. Thanks for being sincerely emotional
Hello! What is the camera in your thumbnail? Thank you
As an older, mostly film photographer I've never thought of blaming my equipment for bad shots. It's always what the eff did I do wrong? It's a bit like missing the nail, and blaming the hammer.
Nice summary, btw
I like how straight you're about things man, great video. I feel like a lot of photographer's complain about battery prices, it kinda annoys me but it might be only me idk
Based on the photography community, I don't have cameras - MFT and potatoes.
Love how you’re using the tier system I see on warzone videos !
🤝🏽 always
1:34 Gotta disagree on anyone can shoot auto and be a pro. You can have a $15k Hasselblad, but if your composition is shit, you just take 100mp shit photos.
I agree with you. Makes me wonder if I should carry on listening to this guy…
@@alanjcravophotography4149 I usually like what he has to say. He seemed like he was in a bad mood when he posted this. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. For now.
I spent more on my printer than i ever have on a camera body. The Rockwell quote is gold lol. I see so many comments of why are my images so noisy i was at iso 100 lol
Wanted to show support by throwing in my 2 cents; I agree with most everything you said here.
Photography sits in this weird chasm of art and technology where technically-minded people often can feel creative because they understand the technical aspects...and when they aren't satisfied with their own work they blame the tech. Because to these entitled people, gadgets and tech only exist to compensate for their ineptitude. They lack the capacity for self-reflection, unable to ask: “Have I put in the effort worthy of the results I expect?” They can’t accept that the answer is almost certainly “no.” Because if they had, they’d realize the problem isn’t the equipment
Low bar of entry = lowbrow infestation. It unfortunately comes with the territory.
Catharsis doesn't even begin to describe the feeling...
Awesome post. I get agree with you. I have been shooting since 1971 I really enjoy it. Over the years I found my comfort zone with small, nimble gear that produces images I like. I do not own Leica but I love their images. I do own Fuji ( XS 20) and enjoy the out of camera jpeg and save a raw copy. I study the camera and experiment to constantly stretch my understanding of light. I am a Designer, and used my natural feel for composition and worked on the creative and science part of photography. I really do not care about price as if I wanted to I could buy more expensive hardware. My next goal is to get into more serious platforms for post processing than hardware. To be honest it is as much about the challenge of learning than the actual results achievable because with my Apple post processing tools I can achieve some very nice images. I think too many photographers seem to be obsessed with statistical information or a brand status than the craft itself. There are some stats I like because at age 75 I am not as steady as I use to be…and while I know how to hold and support the camera I find IBIS helps me achieve better sharp focus so I like that feature on my Fuji. I like the Fuji because their color science makes it fun remain creative and the ergonomics work well for me.
As a recent new subscriber ( a few months ago I think) this has to be one of the best photography videos that I have seen lately ! Keep them coming. Actually, I was only going to say, "Image quality vs Quality Image" Pick your poison....
Damn... pulling out the Ken Rockwell quotes.
I enjoy photography as a personal hobby, focusing on what brings me pleasure without any commercial intent or social media sharing. My preference leans towards full-frame cameras, particularly Nikon, which I've remained loyal to despite trends favoring other brands like Sony. I've stuck with Nikon through their ups and downs because I genuinely love their products. Currently, my favorite is the 24MP full-frame ZF camera. However, I do wish Nikon offered medium format cameras, which could enhance my photography experience, but since they don't, I continue happily with what they provide.
Reminds me of advice I received from Moses Street years ago, love it.
lately i've picked up a 16mp camera and made some of my best photos with it...I admit that its IR converted but still the resolution doesn't drag it down at all
One thing I didn't hear specifically mentioned is the whole ISO / noise thing. With the exception of some ugl, digital noise, people go crazy over having any noise or grain as if it's the most important element in the photograph. Many of the greatest photographs have grain or noise, I still run into photographers who insist they will never shoot over ISO 400, when most modern cameras you can do much higher clean.
Just IBIS on the X-E5 would make the perfect camera for me.
You’re not wrong.
"Low light capabilities" has to be an S tier. Usually brought up by people who don't know shit about lighting and contrast ratio.
love that you're representing my home town! go loins! as far as all the camera and photography talk I agree with you 110%
A lot of gear-focused/review YT channels and sites unfortunately perpetuate a lot of this. Not all - but a lot, let's be honest. Mfs eat that shit up and make it their whole personality. And they think it makes up for the fact that they haven't actually put the work in to hone their craft, been in the trenches, etc.
I see your point tbh.
Because most guys online love gear, not photography.
I don't really know the life of artists, but how did Cartier-Bresson treated people?
Love your channel ❤
A great image is not determined by gear and bragging rights, more so good composition, how you use the available light and how creative the artistic cortex of ones brain functions….kudos
What's the camera on your desk? I know this question is anti some of your points on the video but its sticking out as a design beauty and I can't identify it lol
Seems like sigma FP or FPL
It is a sigma FP! An absolute gem.
"It's not the arrow it's the Indian." I roll my eyes at lens comparisons when they complain that a lens doesn't have aperture rings, focus hold buttons, clicked and de-clicked...what the heck does that have to do with anything. Last time I checked my camera body took care of that stuff just fine. It doesn't lessen a lens when the manufacturer leaves that out for cost or weight. And last gripe...aren't most sensors made by Sony regardless of the name on the camera body?????
It would make sense talking about that on a video about vintage and manual lenses to be fair.
The old iPhone 7 Plus in my pocket has more power than the NC 2000.
The very first DSLR we used on a newspaper back in the day.
Affectionately called a boat anchor.
"EAT BACON" - The Baconheimer 🥓
Hey friend. Enjoyed the encouraging video as usual. I do have to ask what kind of camera is the one you have on display in this video? Thanks!
When they whine over the internet and just blame the camera, due to a thing went wrong. That kind, no respect at all. As if their growth stopped at the age of 6. Love sharpness, can crop and enlarge endlessly. Got to learn alot when you see the picture in post with other eyes.
IBIS makes a difference. With old slow vintage lenses. 😂
Btw, that is also a reason for the fullframe sensor size, to please the old fullframe lenses. Moreover that there's little that speaks for FF for normal hobbyists.
Love you videos man, I wanna share something about my experience if you will.
So in the beginning when I got into photography, I was at least into some of the things you discussed here, and being a blind newbie, I think the greater technology is always better because I was born in 90s and never experiences film age. So for digital, newer is better, and I was into those conversation for a while.
Then I hit the street, being a student when I first picked up my serious camera, I got nothing to shoot but the street, and quickly I discovered the works of those masters. That is what strike me the most.
So I dived into the world of photography, paying attention to many things included composition. Till this day I still love the saying that "learning about composition just to forget them" in a way. Colors, contrast, and many things unrelated to the specs part were eventually entered my horizon. So I guess I didn't become a better photographer. But I am no longer a specs photographer. Like ricer in the world of cars.
I love photography, with life going busy and stuff, lately, I was into the philosophy part of the photography. Needless to say it is a complex topics, but funny enough, I found myself taking photos more casually instead of having to take every pics perfect. I had done some client work along the way, that is when I still spend 100% of my focus to make the photo count, other than that, I'm just happy to record the moment.
My cameras journey are like: Canon 6D - Sony A7R2 - Fujifilm X100V - Leica M11. Those are my main cameras route, today I still own Hassleblad X1D, Leica Q and Leica M11, along with my X100V (I still have it). I am grateful that I got to enjoy the power of those different tools. And I was never trying to show them off because before I bought X100V in 2020, I already know the gears do not matter for what you will be able to achieve. And I always encourage my friends who got into the photography after me, to start small. A camera you are willing to bring out is the best always.
So I think you video is great. I would not join any of those conversation no more because we know it wont matter. But I would also encourage my friends to get out of them if I found any, but let them enjoy the growth at the same time. If they could not got rid of those discussion, maybe they are just a genuine consumer that all camera companies need haha.
Love your work, especially your straightforwardness. Keep them up.
it bugs me so much when people tell me to get full frame, I am an APS-C enthusiast because it lets me compose tightly, and get a crop since i love telephotography. Nowadays I am saving for an A7IV and people shiddin on it saying "but it has only 14 mpx on apsc and cant record video well" like stfu dog, you complain about a camera not being good enough for video while you're shooting a cinematic of you preparing your porsche to go do urban night? get a proper cinema camera and crew for half the price of the porsche, holy cow. And the people that talk to me saying "get the a6700 it has better af" (no it does not, it has been PROVEN besides the fact I don't want an ergonomic downgrade from my A77II)
Truth is there are _more sponsorship channels disguised as protographers than actual photographers_ and we're reaching a point where hobbyists and REAL professionals are already outdoing these self proclaimed pros like jared polin and many more that have this "coccy persona"
also yes, Sony is my personality, not because of a brand, but because it meant to me so much since I am a hobbyist. But I hate them more than I like them to be honest. Reason why Ain't switching to fuji or any other brand is because it will make all my Minolta lenses bold and useless and it would be a HUUUGE investment to transition, when (because I am a hobbyist and don't crop more than aps-c) i just need an A7IV and an adapter to go for ten more years like my sony a77ii did to me since early 2015 and like my a200 did when my uncle gifted it to me when I was barely 6 years old.
I remember using the Nikon d7000, that had backfocus issues with anything other than wide slow lenses, not to mention it had no focus assist features (other than live view zoom in). A good photographer once told me it's me, not the camera. A year later he borrowed my D7000 and it fucked up his entire photo shoot. Of course I reminded him about what he said a year ago. While he did not remember saying that to me, he never forgot the failed photo shoot and keeps mentioning it to this day.
Good list!
I love high sensor size only because I want to be able to crop down some images and the level of detail I can keep intact.
I agree with number 1 for sure. Why wouldn't "film guys" want more people shooting film? It might bring the cost of everything down. I haven't even been able to afford to shoot film for the past 20 years lol. Number 2 i am guilty of to an extent. I use a 7Riii because I'm poor and i also can't afford proper lenses. My 200 is a Canon from 1990. I crop a ton so the MP's actually help a ton. And i print large after said huge crops lol
What a refreshing video. So much common sense here. I loved this.
What is that camera you’re displaying here?
Sigma FP!
Thanks . I agree
cameras, lenses, and software are all simply tools to be utilized by the photographer.
I’m shooting with a Fuji XT-1, and I’m not on IG.
And I’m happy with my life.
That 9:15 cut is hilarious
Also, Plastic Mount is not metal. S Tier.
Show me an instance where the plastic mount broke that wouldn't have otherwise also broken the lens even if it was metal.
Plastic mounts are only on small and light lenses because the durability of the plastic is all that's needed. Putting a metal mount on it would only add weight and cost.
One of the issues with sharpness and noise is because some stock agencies are paranoid about it.....
It's all true... You tell it brother!
This video is FIRE🔥
I think it’s valid to have preferences on some of these points based on your level of experience but complaining on the internet in general is not very awesome.
#11 in S tier, other photographers
I love the first 1 about film because film was all we had when I was a kid and even into my teenage years. This was at the same time as the boom of the digital camera and instead of buying film we were buying disposable cameras. And we just take pictures and have fun and when its developed, just hope for the fucking best. This was film guys, this was film.
Edit:
I just have to add that the last point reminds me wedding photographers. And the amount of bitching and chest puffing some do in Reddit is astounding.
I'm old enough to remember film, the waiting and limits on frames always bothered me, I shoot an old Sony with 0 autofocus lenses, I'm with Sony because of the adaptability of mirrorless, and the age of Sony cameras available vs Canon and Nikon (there are no decade old Nikon or Canon full frame cameras on the market to buy used).
On cost, it's because it's a niche market. If cameras were still selling like 2006 there would be powerful full frame bodies under $1000, as it stands, the numbers are shockingly low, so of course cameras are expensive. The used market fucking that's happened, where the used discount is 3-5% in some cases is fucking absurd though.
Dang you are one of the realist photography youtubers out there lol
I just like to yell about stuff.
@@DeeRosa relatable
And another one: everytime a lens is launched....most of them on youtube get a half naked women to show how good it is :))))
9:11 subd
also: your IBIS force disturbance is forgiven
you had me at "sh*t"
Well this was delightfully refreshing.
No dual card slots? :)
You're gunna need to do a part II
Now I feel empowered to just talk like a person, not like these other TH-cam personalities. Say it with your chest lol😂
If you’re personality is a complainer, every thing is dumb 😂 hate has no place here and prejudice is another form of discrimination.
I am so sick of complaints about technical stuff with the technically-mind-blowing cameras we have today. Just get out there and get the damn picture like everybody else has done for decades ffs When somebody complaints about this or that camera not shooting 300fps I just wanna say to them: Wow! Congrats! Now you can shoot 300 shitty pictures per second
No photographer will ever complain about the lack of V-log or any stupid video features. In fact i will complain that camera manufacturers put all these stupid features in photography cameras. JUST PRODUCE A PURE PHOTOGRAPHY CAMERA FFS
the weight of a camera should have #11 LOL. I'm 68 years old and use a F5 pretty regularly and the weight doesn't bother me. if you can't old 2 lb camera maybe you should do something else .
Meduim format is amazing but it's beautiful ....
@@nevvanclarke9225 first you said I have clearly never shot medium format… now you’re saying… I don’t know what you’re saying tbh.
@DeeRosa said that before video ended ...some of what you said is true ...some
THE reason I use meduim format is that it essentially gives you 3 lenses with insane cropping ability 🤔
Something many people rarely mention
@@nevvanclarke9225 a lot of people just aim to get it right in camera.
And yes, I shoot medium format in both film and digital lol
Thank you so much for this. For me the only thing about gear that matters is if you're having fun with your camera. But I'm just so damn tired of photographers bitchin about cameras these days "oh its only 24 mp and the AF doesnt react to eyes within .07 seconds???? BAD"
mf how do you think they took photos of the olympics before auotfocus even existed
Me enjoying a X2D with a l02 megapixel camera because i dont have the range to reach my subject on stage so i just crop in. That and its so fucking fun to crop shit in and have less restrictions because i can take an overall shot but zoom in to the face when i fee like it😈
I’d rather see Salma Hayek in a crop top than a full shirt. Crop>full.
I am enjoying the shitcount in this video , subscribed 🙂
Well said bro! 🫡
Can I have 16 megapixel cameras? That's huge already! 1080p is 2 megapixels!!
08:58 I would throw Fuji photographers in there over Canon. Canon boys have been silent for the most part. It's Sony and Fuji photographers who hype up their gear too much. Nikon, Canon, and the MFT community haven't been as loud.
@@kristopherchuckceniza7415 you shoot canon don’t u
@@DeeRosa MFT, actually.
@@kristopherchuckceniza7415 hmm. Well I have to disagree since most of the weird comments I’ve received are from canon users.
Spot on!
The irony of a whinger making a video on people whinging lol….fair points though.
@@jaunman71 yeah total whinger…
You done good.
What is that camera you keep holding up in the video? I dont recognize it
A Sigma FP4 I would venture.
Yes It's an FP
Yup! Sigma FP!
I have a billboard photo shot on a Sony a7s3 lol
12 mp camea
lol I am fine with being dumb when it comes to megapixels lol I FIGHT over the megapixel argument lol
Hands for the megapixels?!
@@DeeRosa yes andddddd I also have a response for all of the people that speak about how others use to shoot on smaller megapixels and blow the photos up to huge sizes… it’s just like video resolution that was played in theaters.. it was blown up as well but when we started seeing 1080 and 4k it was a major difference when it was blown up. Way more detail in a 4k video vs 320. And these megapixels hold a lotttttt of megapixels. Shooting beauty I can spot the difference and my customers do as well when they are zooming in on their faces
words of wisdom! f*ckin YES!
notha banger