Is it Wrong to Pray to Jesus Christ?
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It is a privilege to be able to speak with our Heavenly Father directly. It is also an honor to speak to his son. It is clear that the first Christians did on occasion speak with Jesus after his accension. If you think about it, it would be odd if they didn’t. Some of them had lived with him for 3+ years and had become extremely close to him. Would it make sense for them to stop talking to him just because he was now in a different place? He promised “I will be with you…” Is it possible to conceive of Peter or John not continuing to talk to him. I know that unless he had forbid it, which he hadn’t, I would just naturally find myself talking to him. It seems impossible to think that this would not have extended out to the newly converted Christians as they talked to Jesus’ early disciples. Just my 2 cents.
It's a difficult subject, but what this study has helped me to see is the difference between prayer and talking.
I think this "speaking to your brother" in this case referring to Jesus in the heavens is fine and only becomes wrong when you are trying to substitute Jesus (God’s son) for Jehovah (God himself). Then again this can become the first step into adapting the 'trinity doctrine" and that is a concept with its roots all the way back in Babylon and the root of this kind of wrong belief set.
Faithful Theology,
I took a look at the most recent video on your channel. The video is on the trinity. It is very sad and chaotic.
Faithful Theology,
YHWH is always God Almighty, never Jesus. The trinity doctrine is a lie. It was created by men.
@@faithfultheology Please give me a link to your channel
Enjoying your book. Realy enjoy your reasonings. I had a suprise visit from 2 elders tonight. I wasnt prepared, i have recording devices but i was expecting a formal talking to and being able to prepare. They were only interested in if i will follow the GB 100 percent without question. They would not engage in any thing other than that. they offered me a bible study and i asked if they would answer my questions and doubts. Nope! I asked whats the point then? It took half hour of them blocking me till they decided to leave. It was sooo much like your DF video. I so realy wish i had had a just few moments even to get my recorders out to prove to others what happend.
They all act exactly the same way. It's remarkable, isn't it? It shows the power of social programming and how effective the Devil has become in blinding the minds of the unbelievers. Their focus on the Governing Body as the absolute authority is just another form of idolatry. But they can't see that.
if you think about it the society's criteria for appointing Elders is similar to what they do in the military, Men who will take orders without question!
Thank you Eric..you answered a few questions I had...your explanation is spot on because it is exactly how I felt and how I perceived it..so much appreciated..
Wonderful!
I just wanted to say I love all of the people making comments. I love all of you thank you for being here. This all really gives me hope an guidance. I'm not alone anymore. God bless all of you. Still love GOD still love Jesus.
Kudos 👍 , Brother Eric !!
As Usual , You Hit 🎯 the Nail . . .
Right on the Head !! 😉👌
Thank you kindly
@@BeroeanPickets Though I realize aka the Heretic doesn't mean it this way. Hitting nails on the head could be construed by the malcontents to insinuate you are nailing Jesus to the cross.
Eric, you delivered a very good explanation of the relationship between God and his son Jesus.
And the children of God and our relationship with God the son and God the Father.
PS: is it correct to refer to Jesus as God the son?
Arch,
Native English speakers hearing "hit the nail on the head" would understand aka Heretic perfectly. It's a common expression meaning that something has been clearly explained, and never what you suggested.
@@vintageseason2119
Exactly !👌
Thanks , Vintage. 😉
@@archtitus3412
Arch . . SPARE Us the "God the Father , God the Son . .
Trinitarian 👎 NONSENSE !!! 🤨
(PLEASE 🙏 , if you will)
I have been waking up to this very thing. Thank you for your words! I have listened to you many times now. I think this is may favorite. To many people are led to Jesus when Jesus was leading us to our Father. I respect your purity and simplicity. You are a sane voice in the wilderness. It is amazing that you still have faith. Let us light a lamp and put it in. a high place and sweep the floor until we recover what has been lost.
Thank you, William Son, for your kind words.
@@BeroeanPickets Do you go door to door? haha
@@911elijah Funny you should ask. I'm starting to visit my old friends with my book. Turnabout's fair play, as they say.
@@LosBereanos I think that would be a kind of revival. "He who goes forth withe weeping baring precious seed will one day return bringing in the sheaves"
@@911elijah Nice reference. Most are going to turn away, but if even one listens, it will make it all worthwhile.
I pray to the Father in Jesus' name. When I talk to Jesus, I talk to him as My God, My Lord, My Savior, as My Creator. In my church you don't hear us calling Jesus our brother. Every day I say Thank You Lord for your mercy referring to Jesus.
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, (Hebrews 2:11)
If Jesus isn't ashamed to call you his brother, why would you not return the compliment?
How is Jesus your creator? It goes against the first commandment
@@kungfukezzy4795 You seem to be objecting to a point no one has made.
can you do an episode to show us how to absolutely prove the existence of the Satan as a specific individual and not several characters of the Bible referenced as a Satan such as tyre as an example. it seems the Jews don't believe in a Satan as an individual but more as a necessity for manifesting aquired action and or motivation for life. interested in your understanding. thank you for your work
That's an interesting challenge. I'll look into it.
Awesome
I really appreciate your videos. I am trying to sort out what I believe and how to best please God. Thank you for all you, and your team, do in helping those of us who have been confused by man-made teachings. Thank you.
Another illustration that shows the beautiful relationship between a loving father and a son or daughter is the Prodigal son
I never understood this parable completely until I became a father myself and developed a unconditional love for my children
A loving father will always have loving hope for his children and a want to help them when they ask , No matter what they've done
The prodigal son wanted to approached his father 1st not his brother
Thank you for this video
The bible explains that every knee will bend to Jesus in Worship, which in turn will glorify God. So why can't a person pray to him. If Jesus can be ( praised, Glorified, worshiped) It seem illogical to say that pray is only for the Father. When we do this we are separating Jesus from his father.
John 5 says he who doesn't honor the Son doesn't honor the Father who sent him.. And If Jesus is to be called Might God of (Isaiah 9:6) We need to stop demoting him..
Philippians 2:9-11
[9]Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10]That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[11]And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do you feel that to call on Jesus or to talk with Jesus is the same a praying to Jesus?
Tu is is a very serious question for “unless to believe that I AM , you will die in your sins”. Thank you for your respectful discussions.
That verse has been misused to support a trinity doctrine, but we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of Man.
@@BeroeanPickets Thank you, what is your take on Hebrews chapter 1. Do you believe that all the angels of God will worship Messiah? would you be pen to a zoom call to discuss further?
@@migmontest I do, but the issue that causes confusion is the definition we apply to "worship" in English. Please read what I've written on this topic: beroeans.net/category/worship/
Thanks for your simple and accurate explanation but even more I thank the time and dedication you have to talk about God and bible subjects that sometimes can seem so confusing.
May God bless all of your work!
Thank you so much
Thanks for bringing out John 14:14. well done . many blessings to you and yours .
Just as Adam . . Originally, was in Position to Relate to
🙌Jehovah🙌 as His Heavenly Father . . . So can ANY of Us . .
Based on the Ransom Sacrifice of HIS SON !!!
Our Lord and Savior! 🤗
(Thank You , Jesus !!!)
it's really a pleasure to listen to you. thank you so much for all. I 'm waiting impatiently the translation in french. Have a good Day !
The brothers who have volunteered to work on it and produce it are nearing the point of publication.
Amen!...All I can say is Amen.
Must say I am a little bit confused. I Think this is a tough subject. I remember that in another video you Said that it is OK to worship Jesus did you not? (Maybe I misunderstood that video) and now that you think we must not pray to Jesus. Isn’t prayer and worship the same thing?
“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth”
If we should worship Jesus is it not OK to pray to him..
No, prayer and worship are not the same thing. First, worship in English is a vague term. There are four words in Greek that are translated into English as the single English word, worship. Much of the confusion surrounding the topic of who and how to worship stems from this blending of the meaning of the various Greek terms into the one English word.
Zgadzam się z Tobą , tak jest właśnie. tylko Brat zapomniał o tym co mówił nie tak dawno
Thank you, Eric. I absolutely feel that we should only pray to the Father in Jesus name.
All who are Christians pray to Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:2).
@@fredrolinners8903 That's Not What Jesus Himself Thought.
@@SergioMedina593 Jesus loves what is written in 1 Corinthians 1:2.
@@fredrolinners8903 nowhere in the bible does Jesus say pray to me. Your taking that verse out of context.
@@SergioMedina593 You are wrong.
To call upon the Lord always meant to pray to the Lord in the Old Testament. Paul would have known this. He applies this same expression in reference to Jesus in 1 Corinthians 1:2.
You should do a video about the beard situation.
In Acts chapter 4, we can see from this prayer, that the father is the one beeing adressed when the words " ... Your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed..." is employed. vs 27 to 30
The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer in Acts 1:24-25.
Acts 1:24-25
(24) And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
(25) to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”
When the appellation "Lord" appears without reading "Lord Jesus" in Acts 1:24 it is important to keep in mind that whenever the following key words from this prayer are found elsewhere in Scripture in association with the "Lord" then the Lord always refers to the Lord Jesus.
1. The "Lord" occurs along with the same Greek word for "show" (anadeiknymi) in Acts 1:24 - in reference to the Lord Jesus (Luke 10:1).
2. The "Lord" occurs along with the same Greek word for "chosen" (eklegomai) in Acts 1:24 - in reference to the Lord Jesus (Acts 1:2; cf. v. 6; Luke 6:13; cf. vv. 5, 46; John 6:70; cf. v. 68 and John 13:18; cf. vv. 13-14).
3. The "Lord" occurs along with the same Greek word for "ministry" (diakonia) in Acts 1:25 - in reference to the Lord Jesus (Acts 1:17; cf. v. 21; 20:24; 1 Corinthians 12:5; Ephesians 4:12; cf. Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 4:17; 1 Timothy 1:12).
4. The "Lord" occurs along the same Greek word for "apostleship" (apostolē) in Acts 1:25 - in reference to the Lord Jesus (Romans 1:5; cf. Romans 1:4; 1 Corinthians 9:2).
@fredrolinners8903 - I've refuted all that reasoning in the video. Restating the tired arguments after I've shown them to be false is somewhat insulting and more than a little bit desperate.
@@fredrolinners8903 I removed your last comment because it misrepresented the truth.
@@BeroeanPickets I presented 4 proofs in my original post that the Lord Jesus is prayed to in Acts 1:24-25. None of them were refuted.
@@fredrolinners8903 I refuted all of them in my video.
There are many instances of Jesus praying to the Father throughout the gospels. Most notably the night he was betrayed. Matt 26, Mark 14, Luke 22 and Jesus prayer in the entire chapter of John 17. Jesus wasn’t praying to himself but to his and our Heavenly Father. Jesus set the example for us to follow, that is a intimate relationship with our Father through prayer.
An excellent point!
Acts 4:12
[12]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Pray is communication. Just as is praising to Jesus in song is communication. Jesus presently has all authority in heaven and earth 🌎 ,so he is not limited in listening to prays and answering them. It's blasphemy to say otherwise..
Many thanks Eric.You are doing a remarkable job. But I have a taste of unfinished somewhere... What do you think of this reasoning about John 1:12,13: The context, in verse 11, refers to Jesus’ “own people,” the Jews. As many of them as did receive him when he came to them in the first century became God’s children, with heavenly life in view. The verbs in the text are in the past tense, so this passage is not referring to all people who have become Christians since then... What is your opinion about that please
We know that salvation starts with the Jews, so the immediate application of that verse would be to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That doesn't mean that the adoption stopped with the Jews. Galatians 4:26 to 4:7 indicates it continues on.
@@BeroeanPickets Thanks for your help, dear Eric
6:54 What would happen if a sinner were to pray directly to Jesus asking for forgiveness and inviting Jesus to become his Lord and Savior? Will Jesus listening to his request and answer his prayer? John 14:14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it?
The Kingdom Interlinear says, “If ever anything you should ask ME in the name of me this I shall do.” (caps are mine)
Hi - I've very much enjoyed your book which I've just finished. I'm interested in why you continue to use the name jehovah when we know the name is more like Yahweh? I've always thought (and I'm probably over simplifying this) like this. Let's say, for example, your name is Michael spelt MCHL and over time, for whatever reason, people forget the pronunciation. Anyone in the future could get lucky and say its Michael, or Mucuhul, Michail, Mocohil etc etc. But they then tuen round and say ah well, we don't know the correct way of saying it, so we'll call him Dave. I'm one of Dave's witnesses and you can only have a close relationship with Dave if you use his name....except it's not his name. Just interested in your thoughts. Thankyou
The same question arises when we say Jesus. Why the "J". Yeshua is closer to the original, yet the vast majority of Christians prefer Jesus.
I call the Holy Spirit her Majesty the Divine Truth through Christ name...
"Our brother in heaven" and your smile in this moment😂👍
Father, Lord, God. The Holy Spirit resides within us, and we are in constant fellowship with him, so we do not need to pray to the spirit that dwells within us. I pray to Jesus, and thank him for creation, for my very existence, and the existence of everything. I thank him for our salvation through his sacrifice and suffering, I thank him for his word, that remains to guide us. I thank our Father for loving us so much that he would send his Son to die on our behalf. I thank our God for loving us so much that he would take on human form. Would humble himself and allow himself to be mocked, beaten, falsely accused and executed in the most ignoble and torturous way, so that we may be redeemed, our sins washed clean by his blood. I thank God in prayer. I pray to God the Father and God the Son, I give praise to God. I was baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen. One God.
In the Bible 7 WITNESSES attested to the ACCEPTABILITY of PRAYER TO JESUS:
1️⃣-Jesus Himself, via 2️⃣-John 14:14,
3️⃣-Stephen, via 4️⃣-Luke at Acts7:59-60,
& 5️⃣-Paul via 6️⃣-Timothy at 2Cor.12:8,
& via 7️⃣-Sosthenes at 1Cor.1:2❣️
…& all were inspired by (8️⃣)→Holy Spirit❣️
How exactly do you have a personal relationship with someone you never speak to? Col.2:11-12
Jesus is the Logos-of-God, the Expression-of-God/Godship (THEOTETOS; Colossians 2:9 "because in him all the fullness of DEITY is resident in bodily form"); every contact we have with The Father is through His Son; all we know of The Father is by observing His Son-"the only-begotten God"-John 1:18
The phrase, "I pray you…”, is a simple humble request. To pray is to request/plead, -an exchange of earnest wishes.
Philippians 1:20
…with all freeness of speech Christ will now, as always before, be magnified…
Of course we primarily pray to God The Father in Jesus' name. Yet to neglect (or downplay/discourage) familial conversation with Jesus Christ-who sits on the very SAME throne as The Father, on God's right hand, & who The Father placed in charge of the universe & is Head of God's household as our Mediator, would be not only inappropriate & illogical, but would be like telling a wife to only speak to her father-in-law rather than her betrothed/husband/head.
Hebrews 1:3 He-[JESUS]-is the
BEAMING-RADIANCE¹→of→God’s→glory and the EXACT-REPRODUCTION² of His VERY-BEING³, and He sustains→all→things by The Word of His Power.’ …
¹ APAUGASMA:
RADIANCE (beaming-forth), radiant splendor, radiation, effulgence, off-gleam/brightness
(Strong's greek # 541)
² CHARAKTÉR:
an EXACT REPRODUCTION, impression, representation, engraving, EXPRESS-image, imprint, facsimile
(Strong's greek # 5481)
(from which is the English word CHARACTER)
³ HUPO·STASIS:
an underlying/sub·standing➡️SUBSTANCE, a steadiness, an assurance, a support, a confidence, a guaranteeing, a➡️REALITY
(Strong's greek # 5287)
("very being"-NWT/ROTH;
"essence"-BYI; "substance"-ASV)
"And Jehovah said unto me, Cast it unto the potter, the goodly price that I was prized at by them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them unto the potter, in the house of Jehovah." Zechariah 11:13
"Then one of the twelve, who was called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, and said, What are ye willing to give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they weighed unto him thirty pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to deliver him unto them." Matthew 26:14-16
"...Thus saith Jehovah, who stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him:..." Zechariah 12:1
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born." Zechariah 12:10
"but when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: howbeit one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and straightway there came out blood and water. And he that hath seen hath borne witness, and his witness is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye also may believe. For these things came to pass, that the scripture might be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced." John 19:33-37
"Lift up your heads, O ye gates;
Yea, lift them up, ye everlasting doors:
And the King of glory will come in.
Who is this King of glory?
Jehovah of hosts,
He is the King of glory." Psalms 24:9-10
"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:27-28
"whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." Romans 9:5
"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." 1 John 5:20
1 Corinthians 1:2 says all Christians call on the name of
the Lord Jesus Christ.
Isn't that the same action as Genesis 12:8 where Abram called on the name of YHWH?
Wouldn't both cases be done with a sense of worship and reverence?
How do you know which translation of John 14:14 is the correct one?
If prayer is a worshipful request to a deity, then isn't that what Steven did at Acts 7:59 under direction of the Spirit?
He saw the Father and Jesus and addressed Jesus.
I think both viewpoints are valid, the bible indicates that Christians pray to the Father, and can also pray to Jesus.
Just an interesting side note: are we sure Yahweh doesn't have brothers?
Then why does the prophet Ahijah's name mean Brother of Yahweh?
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Ahiah, Ahijah
Or (prolonged) pachiyahuw {akh-ee-yaw'-hoo}; from 'ach and Yahh; brother (i.e. Worshipper) of Jah; Achijah, the name of nine Israelites -- Ahiah, Ahijah.
@@vintageseason2119 yeah, the plain meaning is brother, but it can also mean ally.
Names have meaning as we know, and the name AHIJAH seems to some scholars and students of the bible to be peculiar.
Yes, we are sure that Yahweh doesn't have brothers. The idea is ludicrous. If Yahweh has brothers, then he must be a child of some father. Think it through!
As for your other question: "If prayer is a worshipful request to a deity..." You are laying out a premise. Yes, we do use the word prayer to represent worshipful request to a deity, but is that the meaning Jesus imparts to us?
It is not, and I'll explain why in the next video.
Thanks Eric, I enjoy your videos and appreciate your research.
By the way, I am thinking it through.
The Elohim(plural) in Genesis 1:26 said "let US make man in OUR image"
So man was made in the image of Elohim plural, because plural pronouns have been used.
I wonder who they are?
Seems akin to a Greek or Sumerian pantheon to me.
I look forward to the next one.
Yhank you my brother
4:19 Blessing Brother Eric. What should be our conclusion if the oldest MMS reads in John 14:14 as, "If you ask ‘ME’ anything in my name, I will do it."? Could we conclude that it’s OK to ask Jesus directly for things we need? Should we discard the MMS since it's not in harmony with the rest of the scriptures?
Sure, ask away if you must, but just don't pray to him. Pray to God.
Thank you Eric.
Great video..thank you so much
Thanks again bro, a job well done 👏
Thank you too!
Blessing Brother Eric. Could you please clarify for me if Paul and the rest of the men with him had visions on the Road to Damascus?
Thank you for the clarity of the Greek Scriptures. Interesting how so many come out of a religion that only tells a partial truth, and they search for the complete truth. The phenomenon of Jehovah's witnesses has both confused and yet caused a clarification, as many churches. I do miss having a congregation of truth loving people. I am not sure where to start again. I keep to myself and help others I meet to see the value of God's word, not the business of religion.
There is a congregation of truth-loving people available to you here: beroeans.net/events/
@@BeroeanPickets I found BeroeanPickets 5 months ago. I learn something new every time we meet online. We just read a few Bible verses and then hear my brothers and sisters tell what it means to them. Without any pressure to agree with some overlords, I find it very freeing and clarifying spiritually each time. My wife always reminds me Saturday night and Sunday morning, "It's time for our show!"
Oh...please...tell me what to believe.
Dear Brother in Christ.
Thank you for your clearness.
Can you explain the Meinung of Talking in toungs.
The world Males a such confusion. Especially the cristian churches.
Would really appreciate your lessons .
Not all the churches speak/ or Talk in toungs.
God bless you dear Brother in Christ.❤
Thank you Vincenzo. I'll work that into the list of videos I'm producing.
Is Jesus listening to our request and answering prayers in John 14:14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it?
As I said in the video, if you want to talk to Jesus as a brother and even ask him for things, go ahead. But that is not a prayer, because a prayer is the communication we offer to God, and since Jesus isn't God, communication with him is on a different plane.
@@BeroeanPickets This is false. Your make up criteria does not have any backing from the Bible.
7:32 epikaleō is used in reference to prayer.
Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Jesus is the addressee when epikaleō is used in the sense of praying (Acts 7:59) (Call, page 93).
epikaleō all you like, but pray to God the Father.
I deleted your last comment because it was disrespectful
Brother, the Jehovahs witnesses should never have Said to you you can only be a friend of God, as no one knows whom Jehovah will adopt as a son, or anoint so as to have the heavenly hope. Revelation says they will receive a pebble that only the one receiving it knows he has recipients it.
I know that in general the witnesses find is hard to believe a person who starts partaking of the emblems, they don't want to.
Hi Eric Good Subject...But why do you jump between different Bibles which is confusing.. haveyou watched. BATTLE OF THE BIBLES...WHICH GOES THRU THE BASIS OF THE VERSIONS BASED ON THE MANUSCRIPTS AND THE ORIGINS AND WHICH SPEAK IN UNISON..BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHERS VERSIONS ARE TAINTED HENCE THE ISSUES WE HAVE DUE TO TRANSLATION...THE JW BOOK IS SO BLASPHEMOUS I WAS NEVER QUOTE IT AGAIN..I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU..JDG..
I use different versions for several reasons. One of those is that no version is free of bias.
One God three divine persons that share the same essence of God Jesus is God Jehovah the father is God and the Holy Spirt Is God thats why we pray to Jesus because he is God
That is catholic heresy. Nowhere is Jesus ever called God (no not in Isaiah and Thomas didn’t say Jesus is the God but came to finally realize what Jesus was telling them all along that the Father is in him)
Can you logically answer that if Jesus IS the God, then who is his God?
And is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus the ONLY true God and is the God of Jesus a trinity?
One God cannot be 3. One God can only be one. The trinity doctrine is a fourth century apostate Christian teaching.
Thank you Eric for your reasoning on prayer and specifically: Is it wrong to pray to Jesus Christ? I would like to ask in John 9: 38 concerning the blind man that Jesus had healed. As he said: " Lord, I believe and he worshiped him." My thought is that if it was wrong to Jesus, then he would have said so, not being shy or soft spoken about "worship", and giving glory to Jehovah. So, am I wrong in thinking that prayer to Jesus would be a form of worship? I am not sure and will think on it prayerfully, thoughtfully and watch the video however many times to really get what it means and look up the scriptures because I haven't yet and write this before it leaves my head altogether, lol. ( Bible hub also points to Psalm 45:11 about this "worship" or "bow down to him") Thank you.
"Worship" in English is a vague term. There are four words in Greek that are translated into English as the single English word, "worship." Much of the confusion surrounding the topic of who and how to worship stems from this blending of the meaning of the various Greek terms into the one English word. This video delves into the problems that come from this translation word funnel.
th-cam.com/video/61MrudwPEOo/w-d-xo.html
Now, the problem gets exacerbated when we think of prayer as we think of Worship with out western mindset.
I'm seeing from the many comments and emails I'm getting that this topic of prayer is not yet over. 😊
Im a SDA and Im/we are praying to the father as Jesus told us. But i still think the trinity is a good explanation for why Jesus is called God, Almighty God, First and the last, Before abraham was I AM(Ego Eimi) and so on
But he is never called Almighty God. The I AM argument is a violation of the rules of translation, and Jesus is never called God, only a god. Again, I'm talking about the Greek and Aramaic manuscripts, not about the English translations made in the service of church doctrine.
@@BeroeanPickets Revelation 1:8 KJV
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
@@BeroeanPickets i have seen good arguments from ppl who study Greek that a god is not an accurate translation. Btw you and Walter Veith would be an interesting video.Im not sure you know who he is but i think both of you agree more than you disagree and you two combined would bare much fruit
@@BeroeanPickets Jehova calls Jesus God with a big G Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@BeroeanPickets 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Basically the Trinity
Matthew 4:10
Which supports praying to Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (what do you do with this scripture?)
Colossians 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Again is this guy a Jehovah Witness or not ? Sounds to me that he is
Do you think that throughout the history of the Christian faith, down to this day, that only Jehovah's Witnesses realized the Trinity was false. Do you think, even today, that only Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to accept this false teaching?
Is Jesus God the Father? He must be if we accept trinitarian thought, because in Isaiah 9:6 he is called everlasting Father.
@@LosBereanos what does Immanuel mean? we think everything has to fit into our logic. The problem i have with Jehovah witness and latter day saints and other false teaching is that they diminish Jesus. what do you do with 1 timothy 2:5? The jews hated Jesus because what He said that would mean he was equal to God (John5:18). Do i think there were false doctrines denying Jesus Divinity . Yes. The Jews were the first do do it. But it continues to this day.
@@LosBereanos John 14: 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
@@ssss-lw4gn It means, "With us is God". What does John 1:18 mean when it says "No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known."
Excellent Eric. Very clear
educational and well presented thank you.
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The J W feel that prevlige was supposed to be for only 144,00
Correct
Dacă ați avea și o versiune în limba română
No, but if you use the automated translation of subtitles built into TH-cam, you should be able to get a usable translation.
Nu, dar dacă folosiți traducerea automată a subtitrărilor încorporată în TH-cam, ar trebui să puteți obține o traducere utilizabilă.
Interesting……
Jesus Allah Buddha
I love you all
Homer Simpson
So,... you say you love Jesus, but that you also love Allah, Buddha, and Homer Simpson. Allah and Buddha are each false gods. Loving a false god negates a love for Jesus. Homer Simpson is a cartoon character.
You are correct, you are being ridiculous! Your unbiblical presuppositions cause you further troubles interpreting the Bible! You are formulating unnecessary strict boundaries on Symantec domains to support your theory!
I believe the problem is you are not looking to the truth of the one who saves! The plain reading of scripture … the Word was God, Emmanuel God with us.. to the more complex John saying Isaiah saw Jesus or the author of Hebrews saying David was speaking of Jesus in Psalm 102.25.., all points to Jesus as Christ and Lord! The Trinity is real. Don’t make up your own fictitious Jesus to suite your own needs.
btw it isn’t organized religion that promotes the Trinity! Simple men of God studying the Bible working day in snd day out serving God believe in the Trinity!
You are 100% dead wrong on the trinity. No “simple men” just reading scripture come up with that but they are reading into scripture that doctrine. Jesus nor any prophet before him nor any apostle ever once spoke of a triune god which Jesus was the 2nd person of.
It’s a fact of history this doctrine was developed and became Christian “law” by pagans calling themselves Christian.
There is not an honest person alive that can say if they never heard of the trinity before that they would read the Bible and then come away with that trinity doctrine on their own.
This doctrine had to be indoctrinated into everyone to where they feel if they even question it they are sinning. They will never read scripture without that doctrine forcing them to not see what scripture is saying.
It’s almost impossible for people to start over reading scripture and laying aside all preconceived doctrines and things they were taught and believe and just let the scriptures speak to them…but if one is willing to do this, they will find out many things they thought true are a lie, starting foremost of the trinity
you say "btw it isn’t organized religion that promotes the Trinity! Simple men of God studying the Bible working day in snd day out serving God believe in the Trinity!". The trinity along with other "doctrines of men" that have there roots in Babylon, for centuries have used pier pressure including death and murder to deter any who are members of "organized religion" to stop thinking Jesus is anything but part of a God.
If you go back to the very beginning, is that not what the great serpent offered to Eve if she disobeyed him? "you will be like God"? This idea of being “like God” or “part of God” (as trinitarians teach) clearly is of satanic origins. You misinterpreted the clear teachings of the Bible with aligning your beliefs with Satan’s teaching sharing his position as God with his creations.
By your stubborn refusal to accept anything but the trinity as being truth, you shut the door to God being able to teach you the truth about who he is.
The scriptures clearly state and history has proven that this teaching of SATAN was a lie, and you my friend have been tricked into accepting it!
"The plain reading of scripture..." This is the flaw in your reasoning. It is not the plain reading of scripture that guides you, but the plain reading of a translation of scripture. As I will explain--given time--the translations have been misleading sincere Christians for centuries.
@@TimKollat Answer one question how did John in John 12:41 say Isaiah saw Jesus? … simple question ! Btw you are twisting my words! I was contradicting the statement that it was “organized” religion that came up with the Trinity. My point was men, honorable, well meaning men can read scripture and come up with the idea of the Lordship (person in the Trinity) of Jesus!
Two additional points… First, if Jesus is not God The Who can remediate the sins of man? Second, the Trinity is not directly revealed. Just as in the parable of the sower some will hear and not understand!
@@bobpfohl6268 sorry I don’t understand your point! Not clear on who you are saying influences and uses death and destruction. Seems like a straw man but can’t really understand your point. I will however say this…..
First, if Jesus is not God then who can remediate the sins of man? Second, the Trinity is not directly revealed. Just as in the parable of the sower some will hear and not understand!
Awesome love the clarity. My mother who is a Nazarene always prays to Jesus an I tell her then show her scriptures that it God we pray to so I finally am getting somewhere with her but I think or I know this video nails it so I'm sharing this with her well done once again thank you for this beautiful description much appreciated. Last thought when I first came into the truth this is what they taught an then overtime subtle changes as I remember. God bless thanks for the spiritual food.
The apostles said all the Christian’s were calling on the name of Jesus.
Jesus is not just the brother to those born of God but he is the King God set above all, even the angels must bow to him.
The teaching of JWs that God will condemn you of idolatry if you utter a single word to Jesus is straight from the Devil.
This teaching has many ex JWs thinking they can not call out or ask Jesus anything which is ridiculous.
We are supposed to have faith that he is the Lord whom God appointed for us and suppose to believe God seated him at his right hand giving him all authority and he will judge all and we are also supposed to KNOW him….but yet calling out to him is akin to praying and is forbidden??
which can someone tell me the difference between praying and calling upon? It’s the same thing.
When you call out to God is that prayer or no?
So when all first century Christian’s were calling upon Jesus was that prayer?
if its the same why 2 different words?
Thanks for the explanation!
Mojo jojo, if I call out to you for your help, is that prayer? I want us to think on the premise upon which your reasoning is based, because it is a common premise, and I'm starting to see where it goes wrong.
@@BeroeanPickets we call out to God too! Because calling out or talking to God is the same as praying, because prayer is at its core, conversation with God.
Masz rację, nie musisz się zastanawiać, bo to prawda co piszesz
According to the Watchtower society, Jesus is NOT the mediator for the Great Crowd. He is only the mediator for the 144k. They say he acts as a high priest for the GC. What are your thoughts on this? I feel it takes the power of prayer away, and directs the masses to the governing body for everlasting life.
Jesus is the mediator for the great crowd. These two videos explain, as does my book.
th-cam.com/video/1DKRMwjz63M/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/U0ITB0T0pcM/w-d-xo.html
"Shutting the Door to the Kingdom of God: How Watch Tower Stole Salvation from Jehovah’s Witnesses" on Amazon
Could you pease cite specific scholarly reference documents (URLs) which clearly differentiate & distinguish between prayer versus other types of requests (& especially, if possible, as understood by contemporaries of the 1st-2nd century Greek writers)? Thanks!
So far, I truly appreciate your deep insight Eric, thanks for all that you do
I appreciate that!
What don you mean referring to Jesus as king is to formal ? He was given full authority over heaven and earth after his resurrection.
Amen.
John 1:49
Had me laughing so hard “ holy spirit is our uncle”😂
For a very serious thinker, Eric is also funny at times.
Jesus is the Word of God. God often speaks to Angel's & Mankind through Jesus. Jesus is a part of God's Divine Function as God and also the Holy Spirit. For thousands of years Jesus came to men in his fathers name as God Almighty speaking to them. Take Genesis 15: 1- 4 as an example.
Genesis 15:1-2
[1]After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
[2]And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
The Word of the Lord ( Jesus) cam to Abraham. And Abraham acknowledged him as God..
You're confusing communication with prayer. They are not the same thing. It's a subtle, but very important distinction.
Thank you for that explanation. I speak with Jesus too. I often thought how embarrassing will be for a Jehovah's Witness on Judgement Day for the first time to speak to Jesus. Worse than that, even now, if they never speak to Jesus, and pray to the Father, and the Father asks Jesus (even though God already knows), do you know so and so who just asked a request from me, and Jesus says, no I don't know so and so. The Father would then not even listen to so and so's prayer.
WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces????e WHY is JW Headquarter in Warwick STILL NOT RAIDED by Police special task forces???
I've checked and the new testament was completed in the first century and the gospels possible 40 years after the death of Jesus
This video made it so very clear to me who I am to pray to. Thank you so much for making it so clear.
Glad it was helpful!
Brother Eric Thank you very much for the provided video I am very grateful That I allowed doubts that Were in the head. About how to pray to Jesus or not to pray? Through you God has answered my prayer and my worries, I can't wait for our meeting.
tomorrow Even though I speak Russian and don't understand I will listen with pleasure. your meeting. And try to understand something. dreaming about that in Russian, how will such meetings take place in spirit and truth?
It is my prayer that soon there will be online meetings for our Russian brothers and sisters.
@@BeroeanPickets Thank you very much, I will also pray and wait for such meetings. It is inexpressibly difficult to break ties, brotherhoods with those other people with whom I served all my life and where I began to preach 0 territory.There has never been such a huge test of the Faith as now, Thank you for your work.
Jesus s name is Yehoshua in the Bible. He never asked to be prayed as the the father is greater than him. This video is confusing…
The conclusion I've arrived at is that we pray to God, the Father. But that doesn't mean we cannot talk to our heavenly brother, Yehoshua.
@@BeroeanPickets Jesus was very specific when it comes to the way of praying "the father", "in his name". No scripture to my humble knowledge corroborate any worshiping of Jesus, NEVER in all the OT or in the NT. To make it crystal clear, in the book of Revelation John was told not to worship the angel while trying to pray to him,....moreover, the angel said to him "Worship only Yehovah", every human being should stick to this. Rev 22:9.
@@zakhariahk.8720 please define “worship” as you understand the word in English to mean
@@LosBereanos Prayer is a form of worship as the angel is saying to John…
@@zakhariahk.8720 Okay, but rather than argue that point, why is it that the Angels are told to worship Jesus at Hebrews 1:6. The Greek word used there is the same word used by the Angel to John at Revelation 19:10.
So, I'm going to have to rethink this popular 'daughter of the King' phrase. If Jesus is the King, then I'm 'sister of the King', and a 'child/daughter of God'. [Just working out my identity from a spiritual angle - I seem to be in a great state of flux. Again.] If I've created a mess of it, I'd appreciate having it clarified...
Sounds right to me, my sister. 😁👍
Jesteś Eryku niesprawiedliwy. Innym odpowiadasz a moje trzy wpisy usunąłeś i zablokowałeś mnie, pomimo, że jestem siostrą twoją , hmm to ciekawe i smutne zarazem . A przecież na wszystko masz odpowiedź.Co niektórzy też nie zgadzają się z tobą , ale chyba nie przedstawiają konkretnych argumentów , więc ich nie usuwasz. Dałeś serduszko osobie, która napisała , że wniosek jest taki , że mamy modlić się tylko do Boga Ojca przez Jezusa Chrystusa czym pokazałeś swoje zdanie w tej sprawie. No cóż - to jak spełniasz Rzymian 10 ;13 ???
We should only pray to God, in Jesus name.
@@vintageseason2119 To w takim razie pytanie dla mnie aktualne, jak mamy stosować się w praktyce do Rzymian 10:13 ? Kontekst wskazuje ,że tym Panem którego mamy wzywać jest Jezus Chrystus, więc jak to robić? Jeśli nie wolno nam modlić się do Jezusa to co mamy robić?
Calling on the name of the Lord is not the same as praying. I'll try to explain that better in my next video.
@@BeroeanPickets Jestem mile zaskoczona , bardzo się cieszę, gdyż ta sprawa nie jest poboczna ale bardzo istotna. Domyślałam się , że będziesz chciał to zrobić. Czekam z zainteresowaniem .
Bonjour Éric je vous écris de la France je vous remercie de tout cœur de répondre à cette question qui me rassure une bonne fois pour toute plus besoin de se poser la question de prier Jésus maintenant j'ai la réponse, souvent j'avais dans mon esprit cette question encore merci de tout cœur ça nous permet de nous rapprocher de notre Père céleste que nous aimons de tout notre cœur encore Merci à très bientôt pour vos prochaines vidéos très très intéressante. 🙂
Philippe Lersoey says:
Hello Eric I am writing to you from France I thank you very much for answering this question which reassures me once and for all no longer need to ask myself the question of praying to Jesus now I have the answer, often I had in my mind this question again thank you with all my heart it allows us to get closer to our Heavenly Father whom we love with all our heart Thank you again see you very soon for your next very very interesting videos. 🙂
Jesus Christ...My Lord and My God. Believe!!!
Shawn,
Jesus isn't God. He is God's son.
Further on, in John 20:31 we read: "31 But these are written so that you may believee that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name."
Thomas said one thing, but what Jesus says is "I'm going to my God and your God." Why don't you beleive Jesus?
@@BeroeanPickets From Pimo to Pomi. The mental prison is often tougher to escape than then the physical one.
@@BeroeanPickets Both John 20:17 and John 20:28 are true.
Thanks for your video, Eric. I decided to take note the sciptures into my own notebooks from each your video since last week so that I can use this to teach my kids. Videos with transcripts in Vietnamese help me a lot. Heaps knowledge there.
That's a great idea!
Thank you Eric for your thoughts! Jesus came to earth for a specific purpose, and in a specific role. It must be admitted, however, that a number of places speak of Jesus as a man, and a number of other places speak of Him as a God, for example, a number of verses applied to Jehovah in the Old Testament are applied to Jesus in the New Testament. In addition, Jesus accepts the spirit of Stephen (which only God can do, look Ecclesiastes 12:7), Jesus forgives sins (which only God, against whom sins are committed, can do), Jesus is the Creator of all things (look Hebrews 1:10-12), Jesus is worshipped by angels (Hebrews. 1:6) Jesus declares himself to be the First and the Last (As well as Alpha and Omega, see Revelation 1:10), Jesus calls himself "I Am" (see John 8:58) - a name that only God can bear (and for which the Pharisees immediately try to stone him), John says that Isaiah saw the glory of Christ when he saw the glory of Jehovah in a vision (look at John 12:41). Jesus did not object to Thomas when he called him "my God" (see John 20:28), Jesus had equality with God (look at Philippians 2:6). Peter calls Jesus God and Savior (2 Peter 1:11 and there are many similar verses). Jesus accepts honor and glory along with the Father (see Revelation 5:11). If we drop our cliche, we need to accept what the Scriptures say about Christ.
@user-ms9jl3wl3q - "It must be admitted, however, that a number of places speak of Jesus as a man, and a number of other places speak of Him as a God..."
It is semantically incorrect to capitalize "God" when proceeded by the indefinite article.
"for example, a number of verses applied to Jehovah in the Old Testament are applied to Jesus in the New Testament."
You are correct in saying that but you misunderstand that that does not create a duality but rather is in line with the Hebrew thinking of agency. The agent is acting as the personification of the person he represents. Jesus Christ is acting as Jehovah's agent.
If those scriptures were meant to establish the Trinity, then they would have been taught by the apostles as such. But the Hebrew writers knew exactly what they represented, and it was not some two-in-one God.
"In addition, Jesus accepts the spirit of Stephen (which only God can do, look Ecclesiastes 12:7)"
You're making an assumption. Are we to believe you because you say so? Then how would you explain this:
“Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” (Matthew 28:18)
Was it not God who gave Jesus all authority? And if he was given all authority, would that not include the authority to receive the spirit of Satan.
"Jesus forgives sins (which only God, against whom sins are committed, can do)"
You should first become very familiar with the Bible before you go parroting someone else's arguments.
“. . .For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.” (John 5:26, 27)
This makes no sense if both the Father is God Almighty and the Son is God Almighty.
God gave Jesus authority to judge, which he obvious did not have up to that point because you cannot give authority to a person if they already have it.
I won't spend any more time one this because these are old arguments which have been rehashed countless times. Since you evidently don't know the counterargument, I would recommend you use the Google AI and ask it how do each of these Scriptures prove the Trinity to be false. You have to word it that way to get the counterargument.
(Hebrews 1:10-12)
(Revelation 1:10)
(John 8:58)
(John 12:41)
(John 20:28)
(Philippians 2:6)
(2 Peter 1:11)
(Revelation 5:11)
@@BeroeanPickets I've been looking at the Scriptures through Watchtower glasses for over 30 years. At the moment, I believe that it is necessary to accept everything that Scripture says, without trying to come up with "logical" explanations. But since you can't just accept them, because of your doctrinal beliefs, you have to look for tricky explanations for them. Until we discard the patterns imposed on us and stop trying to understand God by humanizing him, we will not be able to accept the text as it is.
As for the indefinite article, what can you say about these verses? "a man sent from God" (v. 6), "the power to be children of God" (v. 12), "were born of God" (v. 13), "No one has ever seen God" (v. 18). Is this also about God with a small letter? in verse 1, the word θεός is used for the second time without the article: there it acts as an integral part of the nominal predicate, and in this position in Greek nouns are used without the article, so this is not a question of doctrine, but a question of grammar.
@@FromJWtoJesusTo your first part, all I can say is "projection".
On the point about "a God" being semantically wrong, you do realize that "God" with a capital G is a proper noun, don't you. It is like saying "a Jehovah". The indefinite article is not used with proper nouns. If you wrote "a god", then you would be correct.
Did you google those verses? You'll see excellent non-JW arguments explaining all of them free from a Trinitarian bias
@@LosBereanos In my second comment, I explained my point of view that the question of the indefinite article is not a doctrinal question, but a question of semantics. Otherwise, we will be inconsistent or we will need to use the word God with a small letter many times in the first chapter of the Gospel of John, including those verses that explicitly refer to God the Father. It would be a mistake to build a doctrine based on the indefinite article used (including what I wrote about it above). But we need to take into account everything that Scripture says about Christ, even if it provokes cognitive dissonance in us, if we want to find out what is the truth.
I enjoy watching your channel and have learned a lot of useful things for myself. But I realized that in order to free myself from some dogmas and not become a prisoner of others, it is necessary to remain openminded to any other ideas, including those that, due to our past experience, are difficult to accept. We need to question our own ideas and not be afraid to part with them, even if they are dear to us.
@@FromJWtoJesus I agree, but I have researched the doctrine of the trinity both historically and scripturally without recurring to the resources and reasoning of the Watchtower, most of which they got from others before them. The conclusion is that the Trinity is not a true doctrine. Most hear that and say that I'm influenced by WT theology, but that is just an ad hominem attack to avoid addressing the scriptures directly.
When you were elaborating on the familial relationship between us and the holy spirit I was thinking cousin...but uncle works. Good talk as usual, the phrase "in my name" is the operative idea and emphasizes Jesus Christ role as the conduit or path to the Father YHWH.
I am so glad you have made this video! I have been wondering about this! Thanks!!!
Hi Br Eric, I can't help but be reminded of Isaiah 9:6, where Jesus is referred to as Mighy God and Everlasting Father. There is only 1 TRUE GOD , IE: 1 real and genuine God. If Jesus isn't God, and He was a created being, a lesser god , then that would mean that He is a false God! Furthermore Isaiah 43:10 exclaims "You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. " This passage totally compliments IS 9:6 as to Jesus identity. Also, How do you explain John 1:1 where Jesus, the Word is described as God? My point is that the scriptures support Jesus identity as God because He is Identified as such when you compare both scrips from Isaiah which draws only 1 conclusion as to Who Jesus is. I hope I've Made sense?
OK, let’s put your reasoning to the test. Are you willing to do that? Based on Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is God, the father, because he is the everlasting father do you agree?
@Beroean Pickets Hi, i no Jesus is not God the father. My interpretation on Jesus being Everlating Father suggests that He acts as a Fatherly figure and is a Provider since He provides " fountains of waters of life and living water" I know you don't believe in the Triune nature of God, however It resonates with me. Humans are Triune in body, soul and spirit. Space is Triune with height, width and depth. A simple egg is Triune in its parts, but all 3 parts make up the 1 egg. There are many ex in creation. We all have to draw our own conclusions on doctrinal matters. The most important thing is to have a relationship with the Lord and of course to confess that He is your Lord and Savior, died and rose again bodily. I'm sure you agree with that brother. Blessings to you!
@@elizabethramsey4245 Sorry, my bad. I wasn't asking for your opinion about Jesus being God the Father, but rather for Scriptural proof to support your understanding of how to explain that away without violating Trinitarian doctrine.
But let's move on. According to one of your illustrations, God is not God unless all three are together. Like an Egg, the yoke is not the egg, the white is not the egg, and the shell is not the egg. (Your analogy, not mine.) So Jesus is not God, Yahweh is not God, and the holy spirit is not God, exceot when they are all together--like an egg. Then, and only then, are they collectively God. So that is a different version of the Trinity from the standard one. The questions is, can you prove that from Scripture, otherwise, it is just your opinion, and I'm sure you don't want anyone to follow your opinion on such an important issue, because that would be very bad since it would draw attention to yourself and not give glory to God?
As for your idea that the important thing is our relationship with the Lord, while important, it is not the thing of prime importance. I hope you can see that. You see, you overlook the fact that Jesus came to give us the important relationship which we, as humans, have lacked: That of a son with a Father--the Father being God, not Jesus, not the holy spirit. This is one of the main issues I have with the Trinity and why I contend that its source is Satanic. We always have to look at who benefits, don't we?
You see Trinitarians ignore that fact to support their doctrine, they muddle that relationship, which means that Satan must be happy, because what spells his end is the completion of the Seed of the Women, the revelation of the Children of God. (Romans 8:19-21)
But I do agree that Jesus is our savior and that he was resurrected bodily since there is no other form of resurrection. Of course, in his case, the body was not of flesh and blood which cannot inherit the kingdom, but was a spirit body, as the Bible explains at 1 Corinthians 15:35-54.
Anyway, it's been a pleasure discussing this with you since it helps all who are seekers of truth to break free from damaging religious dogma.
Hi Eric, thanks for replying and you have good points to ponder. Anyway I think we have a misunderstanding with my egg analogy. I mean to say that each part of the egg, is a different part from each other. Like the shell is physically and chemically different from the yolk, ect but all 3 components make up what we know as a single egg. Therefore what I meant, is that Jesus is not the Father or the HS ,but yet they all 3 make up the 1 True God, and the essence of God. I'm not dogmatic on the Trinity doctrine, but that is what I currently support and if Almighty God, wants to correct my understanding on that He may do so. thx ,take care, and I'm sure we'll speak again soon!
@@elizabethramsey4245 The problem you're facing with finding an analogy to explain the Trinity is that there isn't one. You need to find something in nature that is made up of three parts, all of which are distinct with their own individual characteristics, but while being distinct, they are also the same. That means they are not part of the whole, but the whole itself. God has become a proper noun, that is a name. That is why it is capitalized. So we could say that there is one true God, meaning not that other gods are liars, untrue, false, but that only the one true God is god almighty, the supreme god. Of course, if the one true God wishes to create a god like himself, but subservient to him, who are we to say he can't do that? What a haughty attitude that would be, wouldn't you agree?
So to take the analogy of the Egg, we'll make it into proper noun, so we don't need an article anymore.
As we read descriptions of the Trinity, let us apply that to our Egg illustration.
There is only one true Egg. Egg is made up of three distinct elements.
There is Egg the Yoke.
There is Egg the White.
There is Egg the Shell.
These three are distinct, yet at the same time,
The Yoke is fully Egg.
The White is fully Egg.
The Shell is fully Egg.
Ty nie znasz Biblii.
You'll have to do better than that.
Good video brother Eric 🙏
Thank you.
Eric: what is the name of the musical piece at the beginning and end of this vid.?
I don't recall. There are sites on the web that sell snippets of music, jingles and the like, for use in broadcasts. I bought a few and liked this one a lot, so chose to use it.
@@BeroeanPickets Thank you. Great choice! I really enjoyed it.