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Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin are steeped in the blues but went in different directions that are relatable, while Led Zeppelin did have blue songs they also had mystical themes primarily centered upon the narrative of The Lord of the rings high fantasy. They were hard rock band all in all. Sabbath focused on social political and occult themes and deviated away from the hippy dippy love tunes though they did preach for peace but used a darker theme to distribute it. They're heavier than heavy riffs, lyrical themes and darker aesthetic is what defines them as the fathers not even godfathers but the fathers of Heavy Metal. Led Zeppelin had influence on metal bands no doubt as did Deep Purple, that was far more inspired by acid jazz and fusion Hard Rock than blues, Richie Blackmore is arguably the most skilled guitarist out of the three bands, but Tony Iommi and the band as a whole, primarily geezer Butler the basist and main lyricist, took the blues and invoked the power of Hell and doom. They are probably the most influential band simply for the number of heavy bands that directly were born from their sound alone. Also, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath hung out with one another, they were from around the same area. John Bonham was Tony Iommi's best man at his first wedding. Bill Ward did not particularly have a good opinion of the person of John Bonham because John would come into jam with Sabbath and destroy Ward's kit. Even though Ward himself is a heavy drummer as you can plainly see he had much more respect for someone else's equipment.
@@tenebrisrex333 If forced I'd give the slight nod to Page over Blackmore. They're all so unique it makes ranking them more or less subjective. And impossible to say one is better or more talented .
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Of course this was the Paris concert. In spite of much backlash from all corners against this band, many of their hits, like this one, were somewhat surprisingly, played on FM for a whole lot of years. You have proof 'It's Never To Late' (a good Steppenwolf song for Jerry Edmonton's drum techniques you should critique) to learn new paths in an already successful career. By the way, even the Seventh Star album has songs like, ;Heart Like A Wheel' and ''In For The Kill' which were played consistently in the 80's for about 6 months or so along with all the huge Ozzy hits on the radio. At Halloween, they played them often, even doing 'The Writ' and oddly dubbing in some type of chanting into the middle of the song.
@@bonnyscottland192 The point is not if he was in one of the most famous rockbands of the world, but if he got enough credit for his skill as a drummer. Before you laugh at someone you should think carefully what the question really is. The Rolling Stone magazine rates him on place 42 of the best drummers ever and one could certainly discuss if thats a high enough rating. If you put music experts aside and discuss it with amateurs one could question how many people even know about him theses days and give him enough credit.
Bill Ward's tuning was based on Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich and Joe Morello. Krupa was his biggest early influence. Bill said: "I think everything that I've ever played has somehow trickled down from Gene Krupa". Bill was mostly self taught and he learned by listening to records and watching other drummers. Later on, he watched Jim Capaldi and Clive Bunker play live several times Another of Bill's biggest influences was a local drum tech and tutor named Michael "Mickey" Evans. Bill would watch Mickey play for hours at the weekly drum clinics at Yardley's music shop where Mickey worked. Mickey sold John Bonham the green Ludwig kit and he sold Bill Ward a white Slingerland kit. Bill knew Bonham from the shop and watched him play triplets. Like many 70s Rock drummers, Bill was very influenced by Swing, Bebop and Cool Jazz drummers. When you think about most of the big name 70s Hard Rock drummers, this makes perfect sense that they would listen to earlier Jazz music rather than the more recent Pop music of the 50s and early 60s. Their parents probably owned those earlier Jazz records and the Rock n Roll drummers of the 50s and early 60s were not usually playing anything super challenging like the Jazz greats played. Also, many of those earlier drum heros were still around, well after the Swing era. Rockers could watch them on TV shows. It seems that Bill was a total musical sponge, who learned a lot by watching others play and then practicing what they were doing.
I'm not a drummer, but loads of band's use massive drum kits, and don't get even close to the amazing sound you get from a tiny kit played by a master. And no costumes, no gimmicks, no fluff...just raw power and talent.
Like the saying goes: Only a lesser artist blames his tools... Also the quality of the piece is inversely proportionate to the number of musicians (or in this case drums) on said track... In other words... Masterful
Bill is beating his drums like they owe him money. Tony and Geezer are burning the strings up on their guitars. And Ozzie is just being Ozzie. I may be wrong, but I think they were in their early 20's at the time of this performance. They were darn good to be so young. They set the bar for this style of music. Often imitated but not matched. High energy!!! EPIC.......
One thing I would add is that Geezer Butler is the peanut butter to his jelly. One of the most under-talked about bassists in history. Stupid good rhythm section.
Plus he wrote most of their songs and worked out lyrics with Ozzy almost as a second string editor. Butler was one of the main reason I picked up the bass.
@@topherthered So true, people don't give Geezer enough credit for being heavily responsible for pioneering the darker themes and lyrics that would shape the blueprint of heavy metal
@@topherthered Same here. I have heard so many great bass players but Geezer always had that little extra. Is it the sound or his approach to playing or..? A bit of it all I guess.
Black Sabbath: The rock gods that single-handedly created what we now call Heavy Metal. *No one* in rock denies Sabbath's influence on them. They were huge. They are still huge. They will always be huge. They deserve all the praise they get... and far more besides.
How the drums can be so powerful and booming without being washed out in the mix still confounds me on this live performance. Just a great live sound in my opinion.
6:19 Bill Ward said many times that he didn't think of himself as a drummer so much as percussionist -- and that he didn't really try to "keep time" per se as much as emphasize and "decorate" for (lack of a better term) the riffs of the band -- great video Andrew!!
Yeah it’s cool you can tell he was inspired by big bands the way they would orchestrate the rest of the group with their drumming bill ward is almost an orchestrator and sets the tone for the rest of the band such a genius approach to drums
This Paris 1970 live recording is probably the greatest performance ever to be seen by the human eye. As for Bill Ward, he doesn't play the drums, the drum kit is an extension of his DNA, the kit is him...
The record company played up the dark image. But, if you listen to the lyrics, yes they show the dark side of the world, but they show it as a warning to change.
A lot of references to God and Jesus Christ in their songs. At times they did speak about wayward folks changing their ways. Unfortunately they didn't heed their own warnings by indulging in substance abuse.
Bill is one of the best there has ever been. No fancy trick pedals, just raw skill, especially in the early days before they had the funding to buy fancier kit.
This is fun watching you discover classic rock! And reacting to Bill Ward jamming away for the first time, the best!! You are correct to keep mentioning Bill Ward and Bonham in the same breath, they were buddies back in the day....they would hang out and there was one time where Led Zep and Black Sabbath were both in the studio at the same time recording. Check out this interview of Bill Ward in 2011: He was asked about the infamous "Black Zeppelin" jam session rumored to have happened between SABBATH and LED ZEPPELIN during the 1970s. According to Ward, 'It only happened on one occasion that ZEPPELIN and SABBATH were in the studio at the same time, and I think it was in the mid-'70s. We were in sessions, I don't remember what album we were working on but it all started when Bonzo [LED ZEPPELIN drummer John Bonham] comes into the studio and sits down at my drum kit and starts playing 'Supernaut'. That was one of our songs that he really liked. It escalated to a pretty crazy situation within about 30 minutes, because not only was Bonzo there, but Robert Plant and John Paul Jones were there as well. Jimmy [Page] wasn't there, but I wish he had been. And Bonzo was kickin' the crap out of my drum kit!" Ward laughed. "I can still hear him playing that intro on the hat, over and over. Bonham's bass drum work, of course, was incredible," recalled Ward. "I played two bass drums, and they only let him play one in LED ZEPPELIN, so there he was playing two bass drums. 'Supernaut', I tell you, sounded like something from the hardcore bands of today, where they play two bass drums with such incredible speed. And you know, Bonzo was doing that easily. He was having a good time, playing two bass drums, and he was playing all the down beats and some quiet treble with all the high hats. So, he was playing 'Supernaut' with a whole different feel, all the while yelling 'Supernaut!' for pretty much the whole time. It was crazy, man." To have been a fly on the wall to witness that Andy! :)💥🥁
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Hey Andy, the rabbit hole of Classic Rock in general will be rewarding for you as a drummer and musician...you are in for a treat....late 60's and all the way through the 70's you will find to be a total joy I am sure. I have some great classic rock song recommendations for you with drummers and rhythm sections that make it happen. :)
Good lyrics indeed, but lyrics are basically just an added layer to good music. Bass, drums, some melody over it as filler. That’s what makes a great track.
@@SylviusTheMad oooh, I was wondering what that was about. I thought Ozzy just wrote some new lyrics for this performance. But it looks more like he was so wasted that his brain just wasn't sure which version are they singing now.
@@lukefender94 I think it's more so that Ozzy just prefers the original version of the song over the album version. From what I've heard, that's the version he'd usually sing back in the day at concerts. For this performance I guess he decided to compromise and combine the two.
As a high school kid during the mid 80's I sadly bought into the heavy metal "Devil music" idea, which was strange since my mother was a hippie when I was younger. As I got older I realized that it was all bullshit designed, like all things right wingers design, which is to scare people over something they've never actually tried to understand for themselves and have said people donate money 'to the cause'( after all, Jesus wants that minister to have a private jet). Nowdays Iook at the actual lyrics and this song rings as true today as it did in 1970. Wars get started, poor people die, rich people get richer. Wash, rinse, repeat!!! (My own father didn't even meet me til I was Two because of him getting drafted and going to Vietnam). FOUR TOTALLY UNDERRATED MUSICIANS IMHO. People talk about their influence as probably the birth of heavy metal but it wouldn't have lasted had they not been absolutely 'spellbinding'. (sorry for the cheap joke)
I am a drummer when I was in bands when I was in school we played 3 Sabbath songs Snowblind from Vol.4 Paranoid and Sweet leaf I loved Bill's approach and innovative mind set It wasn't easy copying his style He was a true original Bill the one and only
This is sooo unbelievable Ward was vicious yet super thoughtful in his play. This old footage the way they played its all just so ridiculous..the music is just coming out of there pores man great stuff man!
Bill ward, bonzo, AND nick Mason of pink floyd AND kieth moon were all friends. Just imagine that. That amount of skill and influence all in one room..
Agreed, and I prefer the album version more. This was just an animal-level performance that, while totally awesome, had less musicality than the album, which was just as muscular as this, though with less notes.
To me Bill Ward is one of the most under rated drummers ever. He just beats the hell out of those things. You can tell he and John were influencing each other. This video is early, as these are the original lyrics, they were changed to what you hear on the album.
Ward and Butler in my opinion....were the most unique rhythm section at that time. Early groove metal. Butler was a guitar player but Iommi refused to play with another guitarist so Butler switched to bass. He played the bass like Iommi's guitar sounded. Coupled with Ward's thunderous playing and Iommi's tritone darkness......the first heavy metal band was born. There are many great drummers out there but without Bill Ward's brutallity,who knows where metal may have went. Thanks for sharing your reactions. I really enjoy them
Bill Ward beats his drum kit like he is Iron Mike Tyson & they owe him a lot of money! If Animal the Muppet were a heavy metal drummer, he would be Bill Ward.
Thank you it was pretty cool of you to go over some Bill Ward stuff. I've been listening to Sabbath since the 70s and never feel like they got credit until later on. Especially Bill Ward
I’ve never heard this live version. I appreciate you sharing it with me today thank you so much. Everything sounds so good. The guitar/bass. The drums. Ozzy’s vocals. Just so good for when/how it’s recorded. Pure music and talent no filters
"Fairies wear boots" is my favorite sabbath Song. I can remember, when I was a boy in the early 70th, a guey in the niegborhood played Black Sabbath on his Hifi System EXTREMLY loud and my parents were complaining 😅🤣
Bill Ward was formally trained in jazz drumming techniques. His drumming with Black Sabbath is phenomenal. He can fill the fills with more fills , without any effort.
Bill Ward is on fire here! I love how he played with time, rushed here, dragged there. Simply amazing performance. This is so early on that Ozzys singing some different words than he does later. Killer!
More to say, thank god this stuff got recorded. Here’s a totally unique band that changed rock music forever and spawned multiple genres. We’re lucky to have this stuff available to us.
I had read back in the day. That Warner brothers the recording company they had signed with would not release the song with the original lyrics. So, they wrote new ones. This is old concert before that.
Yea big Keith moon fan here but omg best drumming I ever saw was this . Loved sabbath growing up in the 70s ...just such a higher level of music then ...yea lol those drums are sick !!!! Oh man ...oh man ...yea thats all you can say watching and hearing this talent by Ward . !!!
This band changed music forever for me at 12 years old , I'm 63 now and am loving your reaction to this . My same reaction as a young boy of twelve going what kind of music is that and I want more.
I've heard this track hundreds of time and I'm still blown away by the raw power. Very surprised you did not have a single word for Geezer Butler amazing work on the bass.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums yup I know. But I feel he is as amazing as Bill Ward on this specific track, and everyone keeps getting back to Bill. I admit there so little footage of Geezer killing it on bass that it doesn't help. This track is the essence of the jazz feel of the duo.
Bill ward is such an amazing drummer. When Black Sabbath did their big comeback a few years back, it was unfortunately without him which I thought was a big disappointment. The classic line up is just magic.
Bill Ward quit Sabbath on August 21st 1980 in the middle of the Heaven and Hell Tour. He rejoined them for the recording of the born-again album but quit again when realizing he had to go on tour. He rejoined them in 1998 but suffered his first heart attack and was unable to tour with them. He came back after recovering from his heart attack and toured with them in 1999, 2001 and 2005 for the reunions shows. He would have not been able to play live for the end tour. You can hear him tell his story on backstage pass with Eddie Trunk! Cheers
Black Sabbath is simply the greatest band of all times. Its heavy, dark, crushing, its got the soul and feel, but still their technical abbilities are very high and every old video of them playing live is legendary and just hits you straight through the heart. Yeah, Sabbath are better than Led Zeppelin, darker and heavier, still Led are good.
I agree. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Tony hadn’t cut his finger tips off? Maybe they would never have amounted to anything. Perhaps it was meant to be. A terrible accident but worked out fantastic for them and us with their music. 👍🏻
They're both far too different for a comparison of "who's better". Those who state Sabbath is "better" are those who simply like darker and heavier stuff more than the stuff Zep does.
I think for both Ward & Bonham, there’s the influence of Buddy Rich, as well as the examples of Keith Moon, Ginger Baker & Mitch Mitchell, as well as Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge). Yes, Sabbath were darker than Led Zeppelin, definitely. Definitely an influence on grunge as well as the beginning of heavy metal.
I’d also like to add Jethro Tull’s first two drummers Clive Bunker and Barrie Barlow are influences on both Ward and Bonham. Ward saying Clive was one of the drummers he liked watching live, and Bonham saying Barlow was “the best drummer to come out of England” interesting stuff 🤙
Part of that sound was the need to detune the strings and play on higher frets to accommodate his mangled fingers. Although he plays the same notes the tone is changed significantly by the floppier strings.
@@mattphillips538 Yeah, not exactly. And I didn't mean Sabs being the proto-metal band - I reckon that accolade would go to their contemporaries and fellow Brummies Priest - Killing Machine onwards, seminal stuff. Also, Motorhead with Philthy Phil and Fast Eddie, Van Halen, Maiden and Ozzy himself from their first LPs, course. Sabs maintain that they were playing heavy Blues. Whatever, they were definitely seminal to the Heavy Metal genre.
@@natjonestower3035 Yeah, the Wikipedia piece on Iommi seems good on the injury, and how he adapted his style. Says he wanted to get a bigger, heavier sound by dropping down. And, others later followed him. But, equally seminal and definitive of the metal genre was that nasty, cutting sound through his Laney amps. Then the other pedals he used. Hendrix was the one to capture all their imaginations, after those blues greats, though...
Geeking out here.. "The Black Sabbath Sound - The Sound of Metal", Rick Beato. Easier with Neural DSP, though..? th-cam.com/video/PfwBuzE9OFE/w-d-xo.html
I was 14 years old when I bought Paranoid...this is the LP that rocketed me into the world of metal/hard rock. What a time to be alive with drummers! In addition to Ward, you had Bonzo, Moon, Palmer, and Appice, amongst others. My favorite drum song of all time? Manic Depression with Mitch Mitchell. But back to Ward....all I can say is "what a f-in drummer!" Great reaction...love your channel!
John Bonham was Tony Iommis's best man at his first wedding. The band knew each other. There is a story told about how John broke Bill's drum kit from playing it too hard one day. He never let him touch his kit again. Love the content. I live the insight and you are right on the money! Geezer is totally underrated as a bassist!
Oh oh you've been Sabbathed!!! Can you imagine growing up as a teenager and having Black Sabbath led Zeppelin Pink Floyd etc etc etc our music was like a banquet
Also, this was a pretty early version of the lyrics, where Ozzy mixed the lyrics that were laid down in the album version and the initial lyrics of the song, when it was called Walpurgis. I suggest to check the song Symptom of the Universe from the Sabotage album from the year 1975 - proto trash at its best with Bill destroying the kit as if it owed him money.
Hey Andrew. Loved seeing your reaction to this. The 'darkness' is a reflection of where they came from, The Black Country , a heavily industrialised area. They all felt that the only way out was their music. Bonham and Plant were also from the same era and area. Raw, powerful, and very real. Cheers!!
They were from Aston in Birmingham, not the black country (dudley etc). Aston was (and still is) a very a gloomy and industrial area which inspired their sound.
When Sabbath was called Earth they were more of a blues band but then they started rehearsing across from a movie theater and one of them asked why so many people were attracted to horror movies that's when they realized that a darker sound was there ticket to making it in rock and roll....and heavy metal was born
I've never heard anyone say Black Sabbath were the founders of grunge, but you're right. It makes a lot of sense thematically. Bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden for sure are inspired by them.
Grunge brought back that '70s hard rock metal sound and style fused with everything else up to that early 90s point in Seattle. There's a Pearl Jam Pink Pop festival floating around on TH-cam where the Mike McCready plays the outro lead of War Pigs during Alive. Pearl Jam was probably influenced by Sabbath more than any of the Seattle bands.
@@FreeMTrider I beg to differ Alice In Chains was far more like black Sabbath then any of the other Seattle bands..it nearly replicated the sabbath tempo and slow grinding heavy guitar sound of Iommi..
@@chrisehli444 Sure we all know AIC's sound, but actually you're right. So I take that back. I do remember reading PJ's biggest guitar influences were Pink Floyd, Stevie Ray Vaugn, The Who, Hendrix, Van Halen, but I've heard McCready play all kinds of Sabbath songs when he was just messing around.
@@FreeMTrider I agree and the bottom line truth is every hard rock/ metal/grunge etc. Bands were influenced by black Sabbath, Zeppelin and I'll even throw deep purple into the highly influential pot..that being said I'm thankful for the hard rock pioneers of the 60s and 70s and if wasn't for those acts many of my favorites bands may not exist such as Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Van Halen Rainbow/Dio and the Seattle sound and long live the outer fringe of rock..
Hi Andrew. As you may know, ‘Paranoid’ was the title of Black Sabbath’s 2nd studio album, which had ‘War Pigs’ as the opening track on side A. ‘Paranoid’ is also the name of the album’s 2nd track, and is my personal favorite. Bill Ward is not show cased in the way that he is on ‘War Pig’s, but his playing is, as always first rate. Even if you can’t use it for your channel, you should listen to it for your own enjoyment. It’s a rocker and features a great riff that the whole band locks into, as Ozzie floats above singing the lyrics. It’s a stellar performance. Hope you enjoy it. Cheers!
This video blew my mind when I first watched it at the age of 16, I just started playing drums, and it was the first time I saw someone playing that way, an absolute BEAST! Always felt sorry for that Speedking pedal, it looks like it's about to explode. Long live Bill Ward!!
I discovered Sabbath at the age of 13 after growing up with Twisted Sister. Then on to Guns N Roses, Smashing Pumpkins and finally Tool. I still listen to the first and last on that list at the age of 42. Bill Ward still puts a smile on my face. Shame he opted out of the farewell tour.
Yes,Bill ward was that good.when he sold a load gear he said he can't believe he recorded the first 4 albums with them and they were zyn cymbals,so these must be the set he sold.war pigs is an anti war song,Vietnam vets totally got
This video gives me chills everytime I watch it. Absolutely incredible! I remember showing my late father this clip since he grew up with Sabbath and he absolutely loved it. So glad you checked this one out.
It's amazing to think that Bonham and Ward grew up within a few miles of each other (Bonham in Redditch and Ward in Aston) and were friends from age 15. There's a short quote from Ward about Bonham coming into the studio when Black Sabbath were recording an album in the mid-70s and playing Supernaut on Ward's drum kit.
I love watching people react to stuff I have been listening to for decades. I love how Bill has his extra sticks stuck in his belt. No fancy stick holders for a poor band. At one time him and Ozzie lived together, and only owned one pair of shoes, so only one would go out at a time. I'm sure in the summer they may have been able to both go out. Lol. I am a sabbath freak. Have been since I was 13. I'm 59 now, and am still a sabbath freak.
I saw these guys back in the 1970's They rocked your face off. When I saw them they did not pause between songs. Bill along with the others played their tails off. Blown away, YES. Good stuff!
My dad was a drummer , so I grew up in the 70s knowing about bill ward. One of dads favorites his other fav was Ron Bushy --drummer of the band Iron Butterfly. Dad would play the legendary long version of " inagodadavida " 17 minutes long at the end of his shows..
On another channel someone left a comment that said that the drum kit is still looking over its shoulder to see if Bill Ward is approaching them. This song IS ROCK!!!!!!!! So good.............. Oh, for what it's worth I saw them in 1970's. Nonstop rock!!!!! They were working their tails off. They would pause at the end of a song and launch right into the next song. At one point everyone left the stage but Bill. He just continued to beat the hell out of kit. EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the BEST concerts I ever went to. Just unreal!!!!!! And yes Andrew they were wow...
@@AndrewRooneyDrums these guys where all from Birmingham England and I grew up listening to Sabbath My favourite band. Please review more you won't be disappointed
Thank you! I'm not a drummer but thoroughly enjoyed your discovery of Bill Ward's contribution to War Pigs. I wanted to watch this because I saw another video documenting Bill Ward's influences and evolution as a drummer. You were spot on-his first love was all the jazz greats!
That dark difference you hear in Sabbath vs Zeppelin is the very essence of the divergence between Heavy Metal and Hard Rock. Also nice picking up on the Hentrix similarities. Metal was essentialy heavy Psychedelic Blues Rock like Hendrix and Cream combined with Hard Rock's energy, and macabre/occult themes. Turn of the century Classical composers like Stravisky and Host (especially Mars, The Bringer Of War) were huge influences on Iommi and the boys. Edit: MASSIVE props for figuring out the Grunge connection too. Many Grunge Bands, especially Soundgarden and Alice, worshipped Sabbath. You have a really excellent ear.
I love Bill Ward. Extremely underrated in context of in what an important band he played. Nevertheless, I am still bummed that there was still no reaction to Ian Paice at this channel. For me, the best to ever hold the sticks. Big band jazzy and swingy player in a hard rock band. None of his colleagues had the finesse he had and still has. My true drumming hero and the reason I picked up the sticks.
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Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin are steeped in the blues but went in different directions that are relatable, while Led Zeppelin did have blue songs they also had mystical themes primarily centered upon the narrative of The Lord of the rings high fantasy. They were hard rock band all in all. Sabbath focused on social political and occult themes and deviated away from the hippy dippy love tunes though they did preach for peace but used a darker theme to distribute it. They're heavier than heavy riffs, lyrical themes and darker aesthetic is what defines them as the fathers not even godfathers but the fathers of Heavy Metal. Led Zeppelin had influence on metal bands no doubt as did Deep Purple, that was far more inspired by acid jazz and fusion Hard Rock than blues, Richie Blackmore is arguably the most skilled guitarist out of the three bands, but Tony Iommi and the band as a whole, primarily geezer Butler the basist and main lyricist, took the blues and invoked the power of Hell and doom.
They are probably the most influential band simply for the number of heavy bands that directly were born from their sound alone.
Also, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath hung out with one another, they were from around the same area. John Bonham was Tony Iommi's best man at his first wedding.
Bill Ward did not particularly have a good opinion of the person of John Bonham because John would come into jam with Sabbath and destroy Ward's kit.
Even though Ward himself is a heavy drummer as you can plainly see he had much more respect for someone else's equipment.
Filmed and recorded October 3rd 1970, theater 140 Pop Shop, Brussels Belgium not in Paris!
@@tenebrisrex333 If forced I'd give the slight nod to Page over Blackmore. They're all so unique it makes ranking them more or less subjective. And impossible to say one is better or more talented .
He hits the drums so hard this entire song like he's trying to kill them
Love this vid
this man beating them drums like they owe him money
@@Makaveli13XroyI knew I would find that comment somewhere here in the comments.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Of course this was the Paris concert. In spite of much backlash from all corners against this band, many of their hits, like this one, were somewhat surprisingly, played on FM for a whole lot of years. You have proof 'It's Never To Late' (a good Steppenwolf song for Jerry Edmonton's drum techniques you should critique) to learn new paths in an already successful career. By the way, even the Seventh Star album has songs like, ;Heart Like A Wheel' and ''In For The Kill' which were played consistently in the 80's for about 6 months or so along with all the huge Ozzy hits on the radio. At Halloween, they played them often, even doing 'The Writ' and oddly dubbing in some type of chanting into the middle of the song.
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Bill Ward is criminally underrated. He’s a legend imo.
100% agree Chuck
The only thing criminal about Bill Ward is the ass-whuppin' beat down he put on that kit.
@@bonnyscottland192 The point is not if he was in one of the most famous rockbands of the world, but if he got enough credit for his skill as a drummer. Before you laugh at someone you should think carefully what the question really is. The Rolling Stone magazine rates him on place 42 of the best drummers ever and one could certainly discuss if thats a high enough rating. If you put music experts aside and discuss it with amateurs one could question how many people even know about him theses days and give him enough credit.
@@josephotocka1657 the drum kit owed him money
I also agree ,however he could be top ten all time and not get enough credit …simply because we can’t give him enough!
When you listen to more Sabbath you’ll hear that they’re pretty much the originators of all the genres of heavy music that followed.
Incredible
They really were and Bill Ward has always been a monster on drums!!
They were literally the first metal band!
Every heavy band after will say Sabbath is an inspiration. Iommi, Butler, Ward and Ozzie created heavy metal.
Needs more blastbeats tho'.
This clip is 51 years old and still kick asses.Bill Ward, one of the greatests
Damn, that really makes ME feel old.
And he's HITTING the drums not tapping them like your jazz drummer's do
For me Bill Ward was the greatest in the 70's. My absolute favorite drummer from that era.
This video is heavier than actual ‘heavy’ music
@@1227air500 Don't I know it. 😔
Bill Ward's tuning was based on Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich and Joe Morello. Krupa was his biggest early influence. Bill said: "I think everything that I've ever played has somehow trickled down from Gene Krupa".
Bill was mostly self taught and he learned by listening to records and watching other drummers. Later on, he watched Jim Capaldi and Clive Bunker play live several times
Another of Bill's biggest influences was a local drum tech and tutor named Michael "Mickey" Evans. Bill would watch Mickey play for hours at the weekly drum clinics at Yardley's music shop where Mickey worked. Mickey sold John Bonham the green Ludwig kit and he sold Bill Ward a white Slingerland kit. Bill knew Bonham from the shop and watched him play triplets.
Like many 70s Rock drummers, Bill was very influenced by Swing, Bebop and Cool Jazz drummers. When you think about most of the big name 70s Hard Rock drummers, this makes perfect sense that they would listen to earlier Jazz music rather than the more recent Pop music of the 50s and early 60s.
Their parents probably owned those earlier Jazz records and the Rock n Roll drummers of the 50s and early 60s were not usually playing anything super challenging like the Jazz greats played. Also, many of those earlier drum heros were still around, well after the Swing era. Rockers could watch them on TV shows.
It seems that Bill was a total musical sponge, who learned a lot by watching others play and then practicing what they were doing.
Awesome info. Thank you
One of the greatest drum performances ever! Such a small kit and so much sound. Not enough words to honor this.
Yes Ricky. I'm the same. I can't find the words to praise this enough
The kit copped an absolute hammering 😯
Cocaine helps?
Yes small chick when they started out the mid-70s bill was playing a very very big drum set drum kit
When you look at Bill's drum set in 1975 it's like a 20 piece set it's pretty big I got a poster of Bill at home one is drum set then huge
I'm not a drummer, but loads of band's use massive drum kits, and don't get even close to the amazing sound you get from a tiny kit played by a master. And no costumes, no gimmicks, no fluff...just raw power and talent.
check out deerhoof. not metal but amazing drumming from a really spare kit
Definitely no stick twirling and overplaying here!!!
No costume... Just pajamas
Like the saying goes: Only a lesser artist blames his tools
Like the saying goes: Only a lesser artist blames his tools... Also the quality of the piece is inversely proportionate to the number of musicians (or in this case drums) on said track... In other words... Masterful
Bill is beating his drums like they owe him money. Tony and Geezer are burning the strings up on their guitars. And Ozzie is just being Ozzie. I may be wrong, but I think they were in their early 20's at the time of this performance. They were darn good to be so young. They set the bar for this style of music. Often imitated but not matched. High energy!!! EPIC.......
This is Fire Mike. FIRE
True, he hits them like they've ruined his childhood. Awesome speed and power and general facility.
@@overthetarget9401 He's hitting those things like a red headed stepchild that owes him money that ruined his childhood....farking hell!!
Ward used to describe Black Sabbath as "a swing band with heavy guitars."
True!
Unreal!
That's a phenomenal quote!!
The guitarist is amazing, the bass guitar is amazing. Ozzy is amazing. The drummer steals the show though.
ALWAYS!
@AndrewRooneyDrums lol😅
One thing I would add is that Geezer Butler is the peanut butter to his jelly. One of the most under-talked about bassists in history. Stupid good rhythm section.
Plus he wrote most of their songs and worked out lyrics with Ozzy almost as a second string editor. Butler was one of the main reason I picked up the bass.
@@topherthered So true, people don't give Geezer enough credit for being heavily responsible for pioneering the darker themes and lyrics that would shape the blueprint of heavy metal
Man, do I ever love Geezers playing on Hole on the Sky...so ballsy and rubbery.
@@topherthered Same here. I have heard so many great bass players but Geezer always had that little extra. Is it the sound or his approach to playing or..? A bit of it all I guess.
Loving Geezer Jaron!
Bill Ward is an absolute machine. He’s incredible
Agree
Black Sabbath: The rock gods that single-handedly created what we now call Heavy Metal. *No one* in rock denies Sabbath's influence on them. They were huge. They are still huge. They will always be huge. They deserve all the praise they get... and far more besides.
Absolutely 💯 %
How the drums can be so powerful and booming without being washed out in the mix still confounds me on this live performance. Just a great live sound in my opinion.
Yes it's brilliant footage/audio. Just incredible
6:19 Bill Ward said many times that he didn't think of himself as a drummer so much as percussionist -- and that he didn't really try to "keep time" per se as much as emphasize and "decorate" for (lack of a better term) the riffs of the band -- great video Andrew!!
Yeah it’s cool you can tell he was inspired by big bands the way they would orchestrate the rest of the group with their drumming bill ward is almost an orchestrator and sets the tone for the rest of the band such a genius approach to drums
This Paris 1970 live recording is probably the greatest performance ever to be seen by the human eye. As for Bill Ward, he doesn't play the drums, the drum kit is an extension of his DNA, the kit is him...
Very well said
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I could watch him all day, the way he leans into the kit and just becomes part of it......it's hypnotic
Well said! This and Pink Floyd live in Pompeii, period!
I agree, I’ve seen a lot of great live performances, but this tops the lot for me. This is just brutal and glorious.
Absolutely one of the greatest and most influential live performances of all time!
The record company played up the dark image. But, if you listen to the lyrics, yes they show the dark side of the world, but they show it as a warning to change.
Yes I've noticed since doing these videos and learning them on the drums
John , you get it 👍
A lot of references to God and Jesus Christ in their songs. At times they did speak about wayward folks changing their ways. Unfortunately they didn't heed their own warnings by indulging in substance abuse.
Bill Ward is not a monster on War Pigs live, he's a monster...
HAHA great clarification
Bill is one of the best there has ever been. No fancy trick pedals, just raw skill, especially in the early days before they had the funding to buy fancier kit.
Yup raw skill, musicality and passion. 100%
Spot on!
Sabbaths war protest absolute masterpiece. Untouchable.
Out of this world
This is fun watching you discover classic rock! And reacting to Bill Ward jamming away for the first time, the best!! You are correct to keep mentioning Bill Ward and Bonham in the same breath, they were buddies back in the day....they would hang out and there was one time where Led Zep and Black Sabbath were both in the studio at the same time recording. Check out this interview of Bill Ward in 2011: He was asked about the infamous "Black Zeppelin" jam session rumored to have happened between SABBATH and LED ZEPPELIN during the 1970s.
According to Ward, 'It only happened on one occasion that ZEPPELIN and SABBATH were in the studio at the same time, and I think it was in the mid-'70s. We were in sessions, I don't remember what album we were working on but it all started when Bonzo [LED ZEPPELIN drummer John Bonham] comes into the studio and sits down at my drum kit and starts playing 'Supernaut'. That was one of our songs that he really liked. It escalated to a pretty crazy situation within about 30 minutes, because not only was Bonzo there, but Robert Plant and John Paul Jones were there as well. Jimmy [Page] wasn't there, but I wish he had been. And Bonzo was kickin' the crap out of my drum kit!" Ward laughed. "I can still hear him playing that intro on the hat, over and over. Bonham's bass drum work, of course, was incredible," recalled Ward. "I played two bass drums, and they only let him play one in LED ZEPPELIN, so there he was playing two bass drums. 'Supernaut', I tell you, sounded like something from the hardcore bands of today, where they play two bass drums with such incredible speed. And you know, Bonzo was doing that easily. He was having a good time, playing two bass drums, and he was playing all the down beats and some quiet treble with all the high hats. So, he was playing 'Supernaut' with a whole different feel, all the while yelling 'Supernaut!' for pretty much the whole time. It was crazy, man." To have been a fly on the wall to witness that Andy! :)💥🥁
AMAZING
Thank you so much. I'm full in the rabbit hole
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Hey Andy, the rabbit hole of Classic Rock in general will be rewarding for you as a drummer and musician...you are in for a treat....late 60's and all the way through the 70's you will find to be a total joy I am sure. I have some great classic rock song recommendations for you with drummers and rhythm sections that make it happen. :)
@@finessemuse2123 This is the real deal stuff. No click. No limits
Not bad for a song that came out 52 yrs. ago. I was 20 when it came out...a great era for rock music. The late 60's and early 70's ROCKED!
Absolutely phenomenal
Rocked balls
It is worth reading the lyrics to this song. Sabbath may come across as “dark” but there is more going on here than what comes across on the surface.
Good lyrics indeed, but lyrics are basically just an added layer to good music. Bass, drums, some melody over it as filler. That’s what makes a great track.
The lyrics in this performance were a weird hybrid between War Pigs and Walpurgis (an earlier version of the song).
@@SylviusTheMad oooh, I was wondering what that was about. I thought Ozzy just wrote some new lyrics for this performance. But it looks more like he was so wasted that his brain just wasn't sure which version are they singing now.
@@lukefender94 I think it's more so that Ozzy just prefers the original version of the song over the album version. From what I've heard, that's the version he'd usually sing back in the day at concerts. For this performance I guess he decided to compromise and combine the two.
As a high school kid during the mid 80's I sadly bought into the heavy metal "Devil music" idea, which was strange since my mother was a hippie when I was younger. As I got older I realized that it was all bullshit designed, like all things right wingers design, which is to scare people over something they've never actually tried to understand for themselves and have said people donate money 'to the cause'( after all, Jesus wants that minister to have a private jet).
Nowdays Iook at the actual lyrics and this song rings as true today as it did in 1970. Wars get started, poor people die, rich people get richer. Wash, rinse, repeat!!! (My own father didn't even meet me til I was Two because of him getting drafted and going to Vietnam).
FOUR TOTALLY UNDERRATED MUSICIANS IMHO. People talk about their influence as probably the birth of heavy metal but it wouldn't have lasted had they not been absolutely 'spellbinding'. (sorry for the cheap joke)
I am a drummer when I was in bands when I was in school we played 3 Sabbath songs Snowblind from Vol.4 Paranoid and Sweet leaf I loved Bill's approach and innovative mind set It wasn't easy copying his style He was a true original Bill the one and only
The song gets better over time! A raw power of music that's so emotional that brings people to tears cause it's soooo good! 50+ years wow!
Fantastic song
This is sooo unbelievable Ward was vicious yet super thoughtful in his play. This old footage the way they played its all just so ridiculous..the music is just coming out of there pores man great stuff man!
I love it Richard!
Bill Ward and John Bonham were friends. The amount of work these guys put in is amazing. All the shows they played daily honed the machine.
Yes Johnny!!
They were born 23 days apart. Bill in Birmingham and John 10 miles down the road in Redditch, Worcestershire.
Bill ward, bonzo, AND nick Mason of pink floyd AND kieth moon were all friends. Just imagine that. That amount of skill and influence all in one room..
@@NewGuyMedia-xe7bm and the mad thing is that if I was born 15 years earlier I would have outdrummed all of them 😭😭.
I love that Ozzy sings the original Walpurgis lyrics for the last few verses.
The album version has way less drum notes, this concert was insane. Also did you notice Bill played with his sticks upside down?
More weight, hitting harder and LOUDER. Bless his heart....
Absolutely, Dave Grohl did that a lot with Nirvana.
For volume and power, as probably hard to hear each other. It’s was bloody loud in the audience
Agreed, and I prefer the album version more. This was just an animal-level performance that, while totally awesome, had less musicality than the album, which was just as muscular as this, though with less notes.
The BIRTH of Heavy Metal you have just witnessed!!! Enjoy!!!
Incredible Ronald. 🤯
Bill Ward was a beast! One of the best metal drummers ever! The original heavy metal drummer
LOVE IT Jesse!
To me Bill Ward is one of the most under rated drummers ever. He just beats the hell out of those things. You can tell he and John were influencing each other.
This video is early, as these are the original lyrics, they were changed to what you hear on the album.
Loving how raw and real these old Sabbath videos are. This is the antithesis to massively produced math rock :)
Those incredible triplets on the snare, like machine gun fire. Amazing.
1970 folks! 🙌 Completely timeless - this could be released tomorrow and it wouldn't sound out of time. 🐐
Ward and Butler in my opinion....were the most unique rhythm section at that time. Early groove metal. Butler was a guitar player but Iommi refused to play with another guitarist so Butler switched to bass. He played the bass like Iommi's guitar sounded. Coupled with Ward's thunderous playing and Iommi's tritone darkness......the first heavy metal band was born. There are many great drummers out there but without Bill Ward's brutallity,who knows where metal may have went. Thanks for sharing your reactions. I really enjoy them
Bonham was a motown/soul influenced drummer,bill is pure jazz and a very gentle sensitive man
Bonham really appreciated and respected. jazz drummers also.
UTTER BOLLIX. B4 ZEP HIS SESSION WORK WAS ANYTHING GOES. JAZZ HIS MAIN LOVE.
@@jameslawrence7959 I got that from a quote by John Paul Jones
Wizard and Fairies Wear Boots are crazy badass, especially Bill Ward on drums. Crazy fills, full send Animal-style.
I'll get to them Adam!!!
Once upon a time someone said “ Bill Ward beats the drums like they owe him money”
Yes Kiki! LOL
Bill Ward beats his drum kit like he is Iron Mike Tyson & they owe him a lot of money! If Animal the Muppet were a heavy metal drummer, he would be Bill Ward.
Thank you it was pretty cool of you to go over some Bill Ward stuff. I've been listening to Sabbath since the 70s and never feel like they got credit until later on. Especially Bill Ward
I’ve never heard this live version. I appreciate you sharing it with me today thank you so much. Everything sounds so good. The guitar/bass. The drums. Ozzy’s vocals. Just so good for when/how it’s recorded. Pure music and talent no filters
Watch the whole 1970 Paris concert. It's top notch. th-cam.com/video/Xqjify__PWw/w-d-xo.html
So good Wesley!!!
@@nopenope9416 oh heck yah. Thanks
My dad's a drummer and his all time favorite is Bonham, and I like to lovingly argue with him that Ward is better 😆 they're both just incredible.
Brings a tear to my eye every time. Bill Ward, really all 4 of them are great. Their first album in particular has some awesome drumming.
I’m going to get back to Sabbath!
Gotta do fairies wear boots from this same show. Hell id recommend doing the entire show and all the songs they did on it!
"Fairies wear boots" is my favorite sabbath Song. I can remember, when I was a boy in the early 70th, a guey in the niegborhood played Black Sabbath on his Hifi System EXTREMLY loud and my parents were complaining 😅🤣
Bill Ward was formally trained in jazz drumming techniques. His drumming with Black Sabbath is phenomenal. He can fill the fills with more fills , without any effort.
Bill Ward is on fire here! I love how he played with time, rushed here, dragged there. Simply amazing performance. This is so early on that Ozzys singing some different words than he does later. Killer!
More to say, thank god this stuff got recorded. Here’s a totally unique band that changed rock music forever and spawned multiple genres. We’re lucky to have this stuff available to us.
Yup this is absolute FIRE John
I had read back in the day. That Warner brothers the recording company they had signed with would not release the song with the original lyrics. So, they wrote new ones. This is old concert before that.
The original was Walpurgis
Yea big Keith moon fan here but omg best drumming I ever saw was this . Loved sabbath growing up in the 70s ...just such a higher level of music then ...yea lol those drums are sick !!!! Oh man ...oh man ...yea thats all you can say watching and hearing this talent by Ward . !!!
Paranoid was the first album I ever bought, way back in 1971. Still love it to this day. 👍🏻
Excellent Alex
if you pause at 9:43 in, you see the precise moment Andrews face melts from the awesomeness that is Bill Ward..
This band changed music forever for me at 12 years old , I'm 63 now and am loving your reaction to this . My same reaction as a young boy of twelve going what kind of music is that and I want more.
I can't imagine hearing this in 1970! WOW
My history the exact same as yours except I was 13 when I discovered Sabbath.
I've heard this track hundreds of time and I'm still blown away by the raw power. Very surprised you did not have a single word for Geezer Butler amazing work on the bass.
I've had plenty to say on Geezer on the other reactions
@@AndrewRooneyDrums yup I know. But I feel he is as amazing as Bill Ward on this specific track, and everyone keeps getting back to Bill. I admit there so little footage of Geezer killing it on bass that it doesn't help. This track is the essence of the jazz feel of the duo.
That kit got the absolute shit smacked out of it ❤️
Bill ward is such an amazing drummer. When Black Sabbath did their big comeback a few years back, it was unfortunately without him which I thought was a big disappointment.
The classic line up is just magic.
Bill Ward quit Sabbath on August 21st 1980 in the middle of the Heaven and Hell Tour. He rejoined them for the recording of the born-again album but quit again when realizing he had to go on tour. He rejoined them in 1998 but suffered his first heart attack and was unable to tour with them. He came back after recovering from his heart attack and toured with them in 1999, 2001 and 2005 for the reunions shows. He would have not been able to play live for the end tour. You can hear him tell his story on backstage pass with Eddie Trunk! Cheers
Black Sabbath is simply the greatest band of all times. Its heavy, dark, crushing, its got the soul and feel, but still their technical abbilities are very high and every old video of them playing live is legendary and just hits you straight through the heart. Yeah, Sabbath are better than Led Zeppelin, darker and heavier, still Led are good.
I agree. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Tony hadn’t cut his finger tips off? Maybe they would never have amounted to anything. Perhaps it was meant to be. A terrible accident but worked out fantastic for them and us with their music. 👍🏻
I'm almost on board. Flip a coin....
They're both far too different for a comparison of "who's better".
Those who state Sabbath is "better" are those who simply like darker and heavier stuff more than the stuff Zep does.
They certainly had grade A speed before they went on stage! Bill sounds like's playing the largest drum kit ever...yet it's just standard! Amazing.
We only have 2 arms. Great drummers don't need many drums.
What Bill Ward did with four drums is mind blowing!!
My first time hearing this live (today). HOLY HELL!!!! He is killing those drums! (The lyrics are so amazing!)
I think for both Ward & Bonham, there’s the influence of Buddy Rich, as well as the examples of Keith Moon, Ginger Baker & Mitch Mitchell, as well as Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge). Yes, Sabbath were darker than Led Zeppelin, definitely. Definitely an influence on grunge as well as the beginning of heavy metal.
I’d also like to add Jethro Tull’s first two drummers Clive Bunker and Barrie Barlow are influences on both Ward and Bonham. Ward saying Clive was one of the drummers he liked watching live, and Bonham saying Barlow was “the best drummer to come out of England” interesting stuff 🤙
Bonham always said jethro tull's Barry bartholemew was britains best drummers. Sorry about the spelling Barry.
@@davidbrown3971 here you go 😎
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriemore_Barlow?wprov=sfti1
You nailed it, not only is Bill Ward a soft spoken man but a huge jazz fan
That unique distorted guitar sound: Iommi started off the whole metal genre. Glorious!
Not EXACTLY. Sabbath were part of a SCENE. Check out Magic Potion by The Open Mind for more glorious proto-Metal from the Mod Psych world
Part of that sound was the need to detune the strings and play on higher frets to accommodate his mangled fingers. Although he plays the same notes the tone is changed significantly by the floppier strings.
@@mattphillips538
Yeah, not exactly. And I didn't mean Sabs being the proto-metal band - I reckon that accolade would go to their contemporaries and fellow Brummies Priest - Killing Machine onwards, seminal stuff. Also, Motorhead with Philthy Phil and Fast Eddie, Van Halen, Maiden and Ozzy himself from their first LPs, course.
Sabs maintain that they were playing heavy Blues. Whatever, they were definitely seminal to the Heavy Metal genre.
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Yeah, the Wikipedia piece on Iommi seems good on the injury, and how he adapted his style. Says he wanted to get a bigger, heavier sound by dropping down. And, others later followed him. But, equally seminal and definitive of the metal genre was that nasty, cutting sound through his Laney amps. Then the other pedals he used.
Hendrix was the one to capture all their imaginations, after those blues greats, though...
Geeking out here..
"The Black Sabbath Sound - The Sound of Metal", Rick Beato. Easier with Neural DSP, though..?
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I play this song a lot on drums and Bill did an incredible job with the tasteful fills he did. This live version is even more amazing.
I'm 32 now and have been listening to Sabbath since i was a kid. Still my favourite band till this day. Ward was on his game that night 🤘
YES!!! So impressed Roy
J'écoute aussi depuis que je suis gamin , sauf que j'ai 62 ans . 😉
One of the greatest drumming performances ever!
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I was 14 years old when I bought Paranoid...this is the LP that rocketed me into the world of metal/hard rock. What a time to be alive with drummers! In addition to Ward, you had Bonzo, Moon, Palmer, and Appice, amongst others. My favorite drum song of all time? Manic Depression with Mitch Mitchell. But back to Ward....all I can say is "what a f-in drummer!" Great reaction...love your channel!
You forgot Paice, Powell and Baker.
@@ianpodmore9666 Great additions, Ian....couldn't think of them all at the time! I would also add Bill Bruford for technicality and chops.
John Bonham was Tony Iommis's best man at his first wedding. The band knew each other. There is a story told about how John broke Bill's drum kit from playing it too hard one day. He never let him touch his kit again. Love the content. I live the insight and you are right on the money! Geezer is totally underrated as a bassist!
Oh oh you've been Sabbathed!!! Can you imagine growing up as a teenager and having Black Sabbath led Zeppelin Pink Floyd etc etc etc our music was like a banquet
It always amazes me how crisp Ozzy's vocals are but you literally need subtitles when he's speaking.
Also, this was a pretty early version of the lyrics, where Ozzy mixed the lyrics that were laid down in the album version and the initial lyrics of the song, when it was called Walpurgis. I suggest to check the song Symptom of the Universe from the Sabotage album from the year 1975 - proto trash at its best with Bill destroying the kit as if it owed him money.
Also Supernaut.
Drums are literally firing off in that space. Thunderous
Hey Andrew. Loved seeing your reaction to this. The 'darkness' is a reflection of where they came from, The Black Country , a heavily industrialised area. They all felt that the only way out was their music.
Bonham and Plant were also from the same era and area.
Raw, powerful, and very real.
Cheers!!
Not to mention John's son Jason is the drummer for the band Black Country Communion. 😉
Must be something in the water over there. Legendary drummers
They were from Aston in Birmingham, not the black country (dudley etc).
Aston was (and still is) a very a gloomy and industrial area which inspired their sound.
When Sabbath was called Earth they were more of a blues band but then they started rehearsing across from a movie theater and one of them asked why so many people were attracted to horror movies that's when they realized that a darker sound was there ticket to making it in rock and roll....and heavy metal was born
Love it.
I'm a horror fan too
I've never heard anyone say Black Sabbath were the founders of grunge, but you're right. It makes a lot of sense thematically. Bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden for sure are inspired by them.
"Founder" of Grunge (giuuuu) was Jimi Hendrix!!!
Grunge brought back that '70s hard rock metal sound and style fused with everything else up to that early 90s point in Seattle. There's a Pearl Jam Pink Pop festival floating around on TH-cam where the Mike McCready plays the outro lead of War Pigs during Alive. Pearl Jam was probably influenced by Sabbath more than any of the Seattle bands.
@@FreeMTrider I beg to differ Alice In Chains was far more like black Sabbath then any of the other Seattle bands..it nearly replicated the sabbath tempo and slow grinding heavy guitar sound of Iommi..
@@chrisehli444 Sure we all know AIC's sound, but actually you're right. So I take that back. I do remember reading PJ's biggest guitar influences were Pink Floyd, Stevie Ray Vaugn, The Who, Hendrix, Van Halen, but I've heard McCready play all kinds of Sabbath songs when he was just messing around.
@@FreeMTrider I agree and the bottom line truth is every hard rock/ metal/grunge etc. Bands were influenced by black Sabbath, Zeppelin and I'll even throw deep purple into the highly influential pot..that being said I'm thankful for the hard rock pioneers of the 60s and 70s and if wasn't for those acts many of my favorites bands may not exist such as Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Van Halen Rainbow/Dio and the Seattle sound and long live the outer fringe of rock..
Hi Andrew. As you may know, ‘Paranoid’ was the title of Black Sabbath’s 2nd studio album, which had ‘War Pigs’ as the opening track on side A. ‘Paranoid’ is also the name of the album’s 2nd track, and is my personal favorite. Bill Ward is not show cased in the way that he is on ‘War Pig’s, but his playing is, as always first rate. Even if you can’t use it for your channel, you should listen to it for your own enjoyment. It’s a rocker and features a great riff that the whole band locks into, as Ozzie floats above singing the lyrics. It’s a stellar performance. Hope you enjoy it. Cheers!
I'll get to it!
This video blew my mind when I first watched it at the age of 16, I just started playing drums, and it was the first time I saw someone playing that way, an absolute BEAST! Always felt sorry for that Speedking pedal, it looks like it's about to explode. Long live Bill Ward!!
Yes Juan. Absolute monster player. And great footage
Bill was a beast, and his ability to swing is unparalleled in the genre.
I discovered Sabbath at the age of 13 after growing up with Twisted Sister. Then on to Guns N Roses, Smashing Pumpkins and finally Tool. I still listen to the first and last on that list at the age of 42. Bill Ward still puts a smile on my face. Shame he opted out of the farewell tour.
Sabbath taught me to play bass. 30 years later I'm into jazz.
We all go through a cycle i think.
Yup. It drops when it drops. Can't force it
Yes,Bill ward was that good.when he sold a load gear he said he can't believe he recorded the first 4 albums with them and they were zyn cymbals,so these must be the set he sold.war pigs is an anti war song,Vietnam vets totally got
Come for the drum reaction, stay for the head shaking at every member's talent and how they put it all together.
This video gives me chills everytime I watch it. Absolutely incredible! I remember showing my late father this clip since he grew up with Sabbath and he absolutely loved it. So glad you checked this one out.
It's amazing to think that Bonham and Ward grew up within a few miles of each other (Bonham in Redditch and Ward in Aston) and were friends from age 15. There's a short quote from Ward about Bonham coming into the studio when Black Sabbath were recording an album in the mid-70s and playing Supernaut on Ward's drum kit.
You got to include Ian Paice with Ward and Bonham! Monster drummers!
Yes I'll get to him!
Ian Paice is probably the most underrated drummer of the 70s
Not to forget Ginger Baker
Completely agree
Keep it simple, he said
It is, but....
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I love watching people react to stuff I have been listening to for decades. I love how Bill has his extra sticks stuck in his belt. No fancy stick holders for a poor band. At one time him and Ozzie lived together, and only owned one pair of shoes, so only one would go out at a time. I'm sure in the summer they may have been able to both go out. Lol.
I am a sabbath freak. Have been since I was 13. I'm 59 now, and am still a sabbath freak.
I grew up with Buddy Rich LedZepplin and Black Sabbath Learning these parts! Loving all of it
I saw these guys back in the 1970's They rocked your face off. When I saw them they did not pause between songs. Bill along with the others played their tails off. Blown away, YES. Good stuff!
My dad was a drummer , so I grew up in the 70s knowing about bill ward. One of dads favorites his other fav was Ron Bushy --drummer of the band Iron Butterfly. Dad would play the legendary long version of " inagodadavida " 17 minutes long at the end of his shows..
"There is a bit of a darkness there" Yes, it is heavy metal. Sabbath invented the genre.
Hell yeah!
The fact that you admit to have basically missed this until now is awesome. Liked and Subscribed.
Thanks Gregory! Plenty to come
On another channel someone left a comment that said that the drum kit is still looking over its shoulder to see if Bill Ward is approaching them. This song IS ROCK!!!!!!!! So good.............. Oh, for what it's worth I saw them in 1970's. Nonstop rock!!!!! They were working their tails off. They would pause at the end of a song and launch right into the next song. At one point everyone left the stage but Bill. He just continued to beat the hell out of kit. EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the BEST concerts I ever went to. Just unreal!!!!!! And yes Andrew they were wow...
Black Sabbath were the founders of all heavy music. You can hear their influence everywhere. 👍🏻
100% agree Alex
Very,very hard to replicate Bill's sound and technique,a true one off😀
So pleased you have reviewed this it is amazing
Black Sabbath are a pure rock power house without doubt the best band in the world
I'm in Rob. I love it
@@AndrewRooneyDrums these guys where all from Birmingham England and I grew up listening to Sabbath
My favourite band. Please review more you won't be disappointed
Thank you! I'm not a drummer but thoroughly enjoyed your discovery of Bill Ward's contribution to War Pigs. I wanted to watch this because I saw another video documenting Bill Ward's influences and evolution as a drummer. You were spot on-his first love was all the jazz greats!
This is one of my fave vids ever on the channel
Bill Ward was a force of nature during this concert. 11:06 is raw as fuck. He powered that out.
For real. I think that might have been the first instance of a blast beat in a rock/metal song
Bill Ward is a monster ,adding Geezer on bass makes it a force
Bill Ward. The Godfather of Doom and Stoner Rock drumming. Ask any drummers in those genres. Just F'n Heavy!!! What a legend!!
Yup. INCREDIBLE
That dark difference you hear in Sabbath vs Zeppelin is the very essence of the divergence between Heavy Metal and Hard Rock.
Also nice picking up on the Hentrix similarities. Metal was essentialy heavy Psychedelic Blues Rock like Hendrix and Cream combined with Hard Rock's energy, and macabre/occult themes. Turn of the century Classical composers like Stravisky and Host (especially Mars, The Bringer Of War) were huge influences on Iommi and the boys.
Edit: MASSIVE props for figuring out the Grunge connection too. Many Grunge Bands, especially Soundgarden and Alice, worshipped Sabbath. You have a really excellent ear.
I love Bill Ward. Extremely underrated in context of in what an important band he played. Nevertheless, I am still bummed that there was still no reaction to Ian Paice at this channel. For me, the best to ever hold the sticks. Big band jazzy and swingy player in a hard rock band. None of his colleagues had the finesse he had and still has. My true drumming hero and the reason I picked up the sticks.
That "darkness" You feel in their image and music was their goal. Super video! Great Channel!
Thanks a lot Marek!
Bill Ward is abs one of the best drummers of all time.
Agree. He's on my Mt Rushmore of drummers