343 Abandons Halo Slipspace Engine
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Are we finally heading in the right direction?
I hope so
This is the first great step in a long journey back.
Don’t lose hope
engine is clearly holding the game back. really hope they can get the feel right in ue.
Id like to believe so
This is a great step. A part of making a good game is to have a WORKING engine
I was impressed by the Slipspace Engine when I saw the original Halo Infinite announcement trailer that showed the Forerunner energy pulse towers light up the night sky or herds of wildlife walking around, then none of that stuff made it and it ended up looking maybe slightly better than Halo 5.
That trailer was outsourced to a different company. Wasn't even running the slipspace engine which is just a retooled Blam engine
@_Schwartz wonder what it was on then if that's true
That was all fake smoke and mirrors. The Slipspace Engine in reality is garbage
I wouldn't say slightly it still looks way better then halo 5.
@HaloGaming08 Just a Cgi trailer, more of a concept of what they wanted. Very similar to the anthem first showing, all fake cgi. The devs on both cases were like "oh that is what were supposed to make the game like".
Insane that they spent years developing a new engine only to abandon it.
Big wigs at Msoft have a lot to answer for with their mismanagement.
big houses of cards always crumble when the foundation rots.
Years and millions of dollars just to abandon it
Better to abandon it now than keep fighting a losing battle trying to make it work
“New engine”, its still built on Blam, as I recall, just upgraded.
@@R17759 fair I guess, but from what I've seen, it doesnt seem to be the engines fault this game is shit. That's kinda the same as designing a car and then blaming the car itself for it being a piece of shit, even though you designed it.
I feel like this creates even more uncertainty regarding the future of the franchise
what? it creates more certainty now devs can actually create instead of having to deal with a god awful engine spending months on nothing
Stay out your feelings unreal engine is taking halo to another level we need update DLC and more unreal will provide that and so much more 343 knows exactly what is FANS want and unreal is the way to do it PIERRE HINTZZZZZZZZ IS HEAD OF HALO NOW THE TAKE OVER IS COMING HALO😈👑💯🐐
@@Kage1128 Unreal Engine is gonna ruin the feel of Halo in terms of the movement and weapon physics imo. It's just going to feel like any other generic shooter game, and lose most of what made Halo unique. It's an awful decision, it would have been much better to hire a team of full time permanent programmers to fix slipspace after the millions of dollars that have been pumped into creating it.
@@Kelastris ue is a framework, the movement “feel” are all created by devs. There’s no restrictions in the engine for that
@@Kelastris Nope
Yes we should make a br 5 to 6 years after they were popular, good idea.
Most people don't play Halo for a battle royal experience. Free for all has always been just a game mode next to the many social ones.
So late to the party that everyone has gone home and the bar is closed 😂
I cant stand that no one is complaining about this battle royale. How much effort is being put into a game mode that is going to be as big as CSGO’s battle royale - dead within a month
The only reason I'm excited for a battle royal in Halo is because I assume that means giant maps with like 100 people playing on it, right?
If that's the case, then Forge (where the actually good content is made) should be able to make 50 vs 50 gametypes.
Or giant battles with friendly AI vs the Banished.
It is realistically a good idea though. There has never been a Halo BR. It would be interesting to have a BR but in the style of Halo. Besides its not just a BR mode, its more stuff with the BR mode.
Interesting that no one is talking about the implications that this may have on Forge. Everyone has praised Forge since it released but all of those tools and workflows are based in the SlipSpace engine. I doubt there will be any compatibility between maps made in SlipSpace Forge and whatever transition occurs to Unreal engine
will considering an unreal engine halo wont be out for a few years, itll just play out like every other halo. we just move onto the next forge mode and start making stuff
If anything, Unreal Engine will make it even better to develop maps for Halo since many games already use it.
I don't think that's a huge problem. Forge maps are just default maps with props/objects placed in them right? It wouldn't be a difficult problem to solve to read where those objects are in the SlipSpace engine map and place them into an Unreal map. Especially since Unreal's map format is entirely viewable in the source on GitHub. I also have no doubt that Epic Games would help 343 themselves too
I find it HIGHLY unlikely that the will move Halo infinite over to Unreal. If anything they are preparing to make the next Halo game on Unreal
@@Kaimerah Also unreal engines 5's pretty much an open source free to a degree system that is pretty easy to learn. All it would take is make a custom plugin and minor engine tweeks and the fanbase could probably go wild making full maps and cutscenes. If 343i wanted to go the full modders paridise route.
I see this more as a way to allow for continued contract work instead of what is best for the series. Infinite has the potential to be multiplayer wise better then all halos that have come before but this news means that it will probably never happen. The quirks that make halo unique as a shooter will probably be gone and in its place will be another generic feeling ue4 FPS. Games like COD and Apex feel unique because of their engine, it will be sad to see Halo lose its unique charm and feel going forward.
This. Why hire and keep developers when you can just contract them? Because we're using Slipspace engine, which is specifically tailored to Halo but is also hard to learn. Instead of hiring developers, 343 decides to switch engines. That's the lazy way out, and that's always how 343 has handled problems.
Mmm, I agree, these are also concerns that I had thinking about the change
Yup, ty for saying it
@@bable6314 underrated answer. 343 was under fire for contractors because that meant new devs needed to learn a proprietary and unfamiliar engine. Everyone said they (and Microsoft) should just stop hiring contractors then. Now they can continue to hire contractors using the excuse that the engine isn’t proprietary so they should be familiar with it.
This 1000000000000000000%
We waited 5+ years for a new halo game with this slipspace engine only for them to abandon it and not bring out content….. leadership at 343 is a joke 😂
You have to make tough decisions in a leadership role. The engine clearly wasn't working and was never going to work. Why stick with something that is only going to continue to have problems? A few years from now, no one is going to remember or care about this.
@@badbirdkc Doesn't this push everything back even further th
@@jordangreco4320 I don't know, maybe? But at least the engine won't be a broken mess that no one knows how to fix.
@@badbirdkc still sounds like halo is gonna die off again
@@badbirdkc bro, people remember all the shit that 343 has said and done. There is no way anyone is going to forget that it took 6 years to make infinite and the Slipspace engine, only for both to be dropped immediately upon release. 6 years is the longest wait time we've ever had and infinite cost Microsoft half a billion dollars.
How do you think people are gonna forget this legendary cock up
The only sad part about this is the report says they’ve been prototyping halo on unreal instead of working on campaign… so much for being infinite. I liked it’s story too.
Let's just hope whatever comes next will be a continuation of Infinite's story and not another reset that explains the transition through comics and books.
The story was trash, it felt hastly written to do a course correction with the terrible halo 5.
@Cyber_Eye oh yeah no doubt. I liked it better than Halo 5 for sure. I liked the concept of the Infinity being stranded and completely obliterated and only a few remaining personnel are alive. But the execution wasn't good. They have an entire platter of characters, good and bad and they didn't use one, not even Atriox. He's only in the beginning and very end. Wasted opportunity.
There was a story?
@@jacksmack6956 right lol. Barely.
I’m kinda bummed, it’s great for the pace of releases but it feels like so many shooters are using unreal, it was cool to see the start of an alternative engine.
You can tell an unreal game engine game.
I don't see how this is a problem. The Unreal Engine is phenomenal. Game developers keep feeling the need to "reinvent the wheel" which makes games take decades now to finish. I think it's a good thing for developers to start swallowing their pride and just going with what works. We've wanted this for years.
@@realFortyOne The problem is that its creating less competition. The less competition there is, the less innovation. Its why monopolies are really dangerous. When one company has to compete against another, that creates drive to outdo the other. Its the key factor that drove Xbox and Playstation during the console wars. To outdo each other. But when one company buys another. It removes a competitor, meaning less drive to innovate. So short term this is good, long term its detrimental to the overall game industry.
@@snowmexican4980 I get what you're saying but slipspace isn't an innovation.
@@snowmexican4980 Except that just because they use the Unreal or Unity engines doesn't mean Unreal or Unity owns the games. It's a non-argument.
I only wish we could have seen Halo’s infinite full potential
Especially the story
@@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati the story and overall content/replayabilitywas ass and worst $60 ive ever spent on a game. Only interested in the multiplayer
@@get_spanked240 They spent so much time n the engine, that they forgot to make a good and complete story. Halo is all about the story! At least the multiplayer is free.
@@i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati a triple A multimillion company forgot to make a good story? ......eh idk about that
We did see it's full potential, 4 and 5 are proof of this
Abandoning the engine is scary but at least things are changing.
Unfortunately, they have to move on to a different engine. It is better suited for future halo titles. One of the reasons why there was such a lack of updates, or Contant was because of the slip space engine being a bitch to work with as a developer.
"At least things are changing" No they aren't lmao. 343 has backpedaled on every single decision they've ever made. 343 decided to use Slipspace to make Halo: Infinite. Now, like always, they've backpedaled on that decision. This isn't a change, it's par for the course.
Main architectures of slipspace left 343 months ago… so it’s not good where halo
Is right now. Makes a lot of sense to me
@@bable6314 so if they change their minds again, what engine do you think they’re gonna use?
It just confirms that Halo Infinite is 100% dead now. I’m ok with that. Move onto separate projects and get halo back on track.
i guess that’s the price you gotta pay to keep Halo going.
For me, it’s all the little physics details that makes Halo, Halo. bodies getting stuck in the ceiling or launched into the air because you melee’d right when you died.
if they could intentionally code those things in somehow, i’d be content.
just don’t tell me it’s intentional, cuz then it’ll feel weird.
They could probably import the Halo branch of the HAVOK engine into Unreal anyways.
I'm sure it can't be that hard to implement the physics from Halo into Unreal. Well, not for someone who actually knows what they're doing, anyway.
@@nikolasrose4770 they should implement 3s physics because everything after that was pretty much kinda a downgrade besides reaches driving physics. If they are gonna add anything past halo reach then it’s pointless because it’s been a complete downgrade.
I hate where the main story of Halo has gone. Haven't played Halo since Halo 4, & the only way I'll play it again is if Marty O'Donnell comes back, & the next game in the franchise is not main continuity. Something more like Halo Reach or ODST.
That part shouldn't be hard since Halo Inf uses Havok middleware for its physics engine. And of course Havok fully supports UE. Alos Microsoft owns Havok.
I think the swap to unreal for future projects is a positive however I'm not a huge fan of Tatanka becoming a separate game like some are suggesting. Just makes things look even more bleak for the future of Infinite.
same here, I hoped that Infinite would take off with the rumoured Tatanka
I think infinite is dead, mate
Infinite is unsalvageable.
Throw infinite in the garbage with 4 and 5. Back to the drawing board. 4th times a charm
they need to scrape infinite the biggest mistake would be to double down on your mistake
It’s great to hear change happening in the management. Hopefully the devs can now work more freely and make the games how they wanted.
In Halo Reach on 360 players could look at each others armour before the match started. As a teenager, seeing people with near max ranks using end-game helmets and the inclement weather effect was very impressive because of the amount of time it took. 343 made armour meaningless because it just requires money, you can't even see them for a long time before the match starts :/
It would be great if 343 was able to make Slipspace work for them, but it's become pretty clear that it's been a major technical hurdle for them (probably why it took so long for new content and patches.) The devs who made and knew how to work with the original Halo engine are long gone. I'm worried that switching to Unreal could ruin the unique feel Halo has in game, but it seems like a necessary change and something that should have happened 3 years ago. Excited to see how it looks!
Alot of people have gripes about Unreal, it's always had it's own issues
@@donaldn5798 but when there is an issue, it's Epic's job to fix it, not 343. Epic gets to focus on the tech while 343 gets to just focus on the game.
My thoughts exactly. But I'm optimistic that they'll be able to develop much quicker and better with Unreal Engine and still retain the feel of Halo.
its funny because the devs that worked with it were all sacked when 343 took over, as they didn't want anyone from the original team interfering with their 'vision'
@@thedudely1 ooof epic is know for doing nothing with bugs and technical errors xd
I'll tell you from experience that workplace culture & employee morale has a lot to do with how the end product is going to turn out. It's good that you touched on how 343's management is directly affecting their own game and subsequently their player base. I've been a huge BUNGIE Halo fan all my life, but you can definitely see the difference with 343's vision for the IP. I'll be hoping for the best with their shift to the Unreal Engine.
Seems hard to maintain a stable culture while using so many contractors. Wish they wouldn’t do that but switching to unreal will make that process much smoother.
@@tylerasweet sadly it’s pretty much all they can do right now the og guys who made slip space were contractors and are gone and now people have to fix their code which is really hard to do
I really want to know what Halo has looked and felt like from the standpoint of someone that worked on the original Halo games and watching this whole mess with 343. I mean I keep looking at this and feeling more worried because there is always some new not positive news or event. And lately it feels back to back. Plus not to mention all the years and money they are tossing down the drain. That's a BIG oof.
I mean this is probably the best news we've ever had. If infinite had been made on the unreal engine, we could have had a bigger campaign, 25 mp maps, firefight, spartan ops, forge, cinema, a full meta experience (customisation, account challenges, stat stracking, file share, party, clans, leaderboards, etc) plus more stuff in between, at a tenth of the budged in less than 2 years instead of having not even half of that after 7 and a half.
Halos engine has killed halos ambition since halo ce and is one of the biggest contributing factors of bungie not wanting to continue the game series after halo 2, as well as causing most of halos horrible development since essentially ce.
In unreal, you can churn out content that takes weeks to make in blam/slipspace in less than a day. Blam/slipspace (same engine), used to take 18 hours just to compile code to test the game. In unreal, you can make changes in real time.
Fun fact, Ive seen a friend build a rudimentary game around me while i was literally inside the game in vr. A small black loading screen for a few seconds and restarting the game was all that was needed to test changes. This cuts down development time IMMENSELY.
plus, literally everyone and their mama can work unreal, so microsofts shitty contract policy might not even kill this game outright.
There’s a reason the original Bungie team consistently tried to tie off the Halo campaign, finish it, and have it done. They tried with Halo CE, but then were told to do H2, which repeated into H3.
They knew they could only pull this off so many times before the spiral began, but Microsoft just wanted to continue milking this cash cow.
I think that they should keep working on infinite and add the tatanka as a game mode and work on separate halos later.
What many people don't know is that "slipspace engine" wasn't made from the ground up, it was only an updated version of the old "blam engine" which was used to create halo titles since 2001
Thanks for keeping us updated mint ❤️
I think halo and 343 needed a complete reset. The change to unreal is probably a positive one, but I can’t help but shake the feeling this is the easy option that won’t create the halo experience we know and love. Will it feel like a halo game or will it feel like just another unreal engine game?
It won't feel like Halo.
That depends on their attention to detail and how they build the game with regards to slipspace/BLAM physics. I can confidently say that in the grand scheme of developing Halo games in Unreal, it will be very easy to make it look the part of a Halo game. The harder part (physics) It's still very possible to get the Halo physics feel since they can look at the physics code from Slipspace and BLAM. But it's up to them to A) Choose to look back at the old halo physics and build them up in Unreal's tools, and B) create the conditions for them to actually get work done, and do things like NOT hire half the studio as 6 month max contractors.
Very good news. Getting everyone on an engine that is easy to learn or has already been learned by many will allow them to make games easier and to add new staff with minimal training. I think this is how a lot of studios should go. CDPR is switching to epics engine and I think many others should do the same
So it's unconfirmed, but basically, as a tl;dr, Halo Infinite will probably just be left unfinished and in a couple of years a brand new game will be announced???
I'm really interested to seeing what halo is gonna feel like in the future. I feel like it's gonna be a big shift, like from 3 to 4. (hopefully in a more positive motion this time tho, lol)
Probably like COD at this rate. In which case everyone will play COD.
It won't be good.
@@cwx8 Despite all the hiccups, I actually like Infinite's multiplayer, and it feels nothing like COD, other than the existence of a sprint button. I don't think we have to worry about this that much.
On the one hand I understand that changing engines will makes things easier, but, on the other, Blam *is* Halo, game engines are at the core of how games feel and changing away from that worries me
I do approve of the management changes though, not sure if I'd say I'm hopeful, but definitely interested in seeing how things go
This is definitely a good thing. The biggest issue people have had with Infinite is the lack of content and that was mainly because of how horrible the Slipspace engine was to work with. So now the they’re planning to use Unreal moving forward we should be able to get content much faster.
It definitely wasn't because of the Slipspace engine. Halo 3 was made on the Blam! engine which is, by definition, inferior to Slipspace and Halo 3 was fantastic. So was Reach, 2, CE, and ODST.
@@bable6314 When did I ever say the engine made the game not good? I was talking about how the engine was difficult to work with for the people at 343. There have been multiple employees at 343 who’ve said this.
Yeah but it’s going to take years to implement engine engine and probably a whole new game
@@robtennant98 maybe, but if they’re still wanting to go with the 10 year plan it wouldn’t be too hard to switch over to unreal
Yet they were fine with adding all the useless cosmetics to buy
It's weird because the Slipspace engine isn't a new one from the ground up like they promised it was, it was an upgrade of the original BLAM! Engine Bungie pioneered. Meaning the next Halo will be the first one without anything to do with the OG engine. I wonder if Halo physics / mechanics will ever feel right after this?
Post thought commentary: It's funny how 343 complain about how difficult the engine is to work with, when Microsoft and them insisted on removing anyone associated with Bungie / Halo from pre Halo 4... like lets remove the exact people who've known the engine the longest.. no wonder they had to get Joe Staten back in..... I do think Unreal Engine is the way to go though, as it's an open platform in which developers can already have years of experience in.
it wouldnt be so bad, if the contract workers that was working on the code.. werent constantly sacked..
Sure, UT is open alright, But that epic Cut is scary.. means that loot boxes Are back in baby, and no you wont have free colors or skins, you'll be buying the weapon drops in map too, and forget about free tiers in season passes and no you wont be able to participate old passes once they are gone.
it would be much safer, and cheaper to use ID TEch engine. infact 343 could probably co-develope with ID since they clearly arent busy with anything ATM..
Given the gutting of the studio, the old hands leaving, plus the leaning on contractors for a lot of the development, this change makes sense. A do-over in Unreal feels like the easy way out and doesn't point to a change in the studio's culture for me. Personally, I feel like the slipspace engine is the secret sauce that makes Halo feel different to other shooters.
The splipspace engine is only in infinite. How is it Halo’s secret sauce?
someones never played an actual halo game lol
@@jamesmichael7448 oh right! I thought it was still the same engine as previous ones. I stand corrected. I feel like it was always the physics and movement that made it feel different. A move to Unreal could make it feel more generic. I could be wrong about that too, of course.
@@TheReuleaux Been with halo since the beginning, crowded around the TV playing splitscreen multiplayer on hang em high. Those were the days.. sigh..
the halo physics can be preserved in the unreal engine if they continue to use the havok physics engine for it. it was introduced in halo 2.
no mans sky uses the havok physics engine for example, and has very halo like physics, floatyness and interactions.
problem is it can take another 10 years to get a good game out
No, if they can get a good game out, time wouldn't be the determining factor
It took them 6 years because of incompetence
@@falcongamer58 they are making a BR first, dont have your hopes up
I've been saying this for a little while now that this is a change for the better! Maybe it takes a while longer at first to get everything set up for the transfer over, but I am a firm believer that we might actually get a great Halo title out of it. I would think moving to Unreal would be a much smoother transition to work with. Hopefully, they'll be able to churn out some faster content also.
I think this is a good change that will help turn things around for Halo in the future. They needed to make some drastic changes and it seems they are moving in the right direction.
Kind of hope tatanka ends up being a infinite 2.0 instead of a whole new game. Let me explain. I love the gameplay of infinite and I really don’t want it to die. I’m open to tatanka being all new modes and BR and all that’s I welcome it but I still want it to be with the infinite gameplay and to expand on the current sandbox cause I really to enjoy playing infinite.
Agreed, Infinites core gameplay needs to port to Unreal
So to someone who really knows about this kind of technical stuff, I know like he says in the video that in a new engine the physics would be different. But is it possible to re-create the classic Halo engines physics in another? Because though I think the switch will be good overall, losing the goofy physics would be a genuine tragedy.
Fortnite, Borderlands and SoT all use unreal but their physics are custom. Kind of like forge mode, where you can modify the intensity of gravity, jump height, static/dynamic objects etc
Yeah recreating loved glitch are hard
Look at battlefield, vehicle were flying with explosion on the old frostbite and it didnt do shit and the newest one
When they tried to bring it bacl with 2042 it just was off and barely a thing
Yeah you can totally remake halo's physics in Unreal you just have to be familiar and confident enough with the software to use the tools that Unreal offers to build up those physics rules and destructible objects.
I`m not holding my breath on this... not after everything 343 has done.
If it can feel as snappy or better than that Halo FPS experience; I’m fine with it. Better long term support and cheaper, so we can get more for longer potentially.
That was the fastest 10 year span in the history of 10 year spans.
if you traveled 20 years to the past and told people the next Halo game would be on the Unreal Engine they'd have thought you were crazy.
Is there a point here?
Halo 2 wasn't even out 20 years ago.
as for the looks it should be fine as for the physics they will need to do some modifications to the engine as they dont replicate to every client very well, they can do the rest using havok, at least using it they can get results much faster as there are plenty of unreal developers out there
This is probably the right decision. I hope they somehow replicate the physics of classic Halo games.
I think they need to "reboot" Halo by literally rebooting Halo. Give us a 5-Game "Halo MCC 2.0" that includes Reach, 1, 2, 3, and 4 as a sort of 5 film "original Saga"....for the Bungie games, they would just be ports with epic graphics and cutscenes. With Halo 4...it could be much more of a "remake" where they actually maybe change and adjust elements of the gameplay and story.
For all the flaws, the MC and Cortana storyline actually came to a satisfying and tragic conclusion at the end of Halo 4. Everything went truly wild and off the rails with 5 and they could only do so much to fix it with Infinite.
They could call it "The Halo Saga" and almost rebrand it as if it is one epic "new game" that covers the entire original sequence of those first 5 games. All with matching graphics engines, button layouts, cutscenes, art-styles, etc
At this point, once you've hit rock bottom, any change can be good.
Over the last 2 years I have played with and against Mint here on MCC and Infinite, having no idea who he is til now. I just recognized the name here on YT and was like "Huh?"
Always some of the best matches Ive been in, its nice to see a fellow content creator whos still so passionate about the franchise outside of just making a few good clips.
Keep up the good work soldier, I look forward to seeing you again on the field Spartan.
I have zero expectations for them, but I truly wish them to make something that works and that's fun to play for everyone that loves Halo gameplay. Godspeed Pierre.
Ooo I don’t know. Why would the physics change? I really like the way infinite feels and plays. I know unreal is gorgeous but I don’t have a problem with how infinite looks
The physics of the game is based on the physics engine the game is built on. If they change engines, the physics change too. But the need to switch engines is readily apparent; Halo's engine is old and out of date, full of junk code and tedious to work with.
@@roberthesser6402 the slipspace engine was the massive upgrade of the original BLAM engine which they removed and updated that junk code you speak of, it just so happens they messed up somewhere along the way preventing them from doing what was previously possible in the older engines (this is how they described adding assassinations back to the game being near impossible, despite it being based on the engine which already had them)
Slipspace engine(blam just renamed) was owned by 343i so any changes necessary to the engine in order to include new stuff could be done without a second thought. Now using another engine which they dont own,i presume they will be limited to what the build offers so the aspirations and ideas they have must first be possible within that engine and if not it will simply not be. So overall i think its not a good move.
My two thoughts, 1- I feel like with new management they are laying the ground work for a potentially great all around halo experience in the future without a lot of the classic 343 blunders. 2- I hope they make Tatanka not just a dry BR but a full pvp pve openworld experience almost like how Warzone DMZ/Tarkov is but make it Halo and have stories within it, meet/play with old characters through old missions. It’s a lot but if they can get close to that I’d be pretty happy.
I hope to Tatanka has carryover of the cosmetics from Halo Infinite
I do think they're certainly restructuring well but I don't think they are laying any plans yet.
I like the SlipSpace engine! Just another example of 343 having a “omg reset everything” mentality every time they make a game! Eurgh.
Change needed to happen, just hope they recognize what the community wants from the studio as well.
I think it opens it up to new devs coming in that work on other AAA games.
Although I do think this is an overall good change, I worry that leadership is making this decision for the wrong reasons. Of course Slipspace has its issues, but I think this is more about sticking to their fundamentally flawed system of hiring temporary contract workers instead of onboarding on more permanent staff. Since Unreal is used broadly across the industry, these new contractors will come in already having a good familiarity with the engine instead of having to learn Slipspace from scratch, likely giving the consumers a better final product much more quickly as a result. On paper, this doesn't necessarily seem like a bad thing for Halo fans, but I can't help but feel like this is sort of like putting a bigger, sturdier Band-Aid on the wound instead of addressing it directly. I suppose we won't know for sure either way for a while, sincerely hoping in the meantime that the effort to make all these changes is worth it.
Haha. I remember when Slipspace was allegedly the engine that would carry Infinite through its 10 year life cycle. Alas, 343 miscarried in the second trimester and that was that.
You're the best source for Halo news and your gameplay is always the best. Thank you dude!
Thanks Mauricio :)
I wasn't aware Tatanka was upgraded to a full title as well as the engine swap, I'm fully on board now
This is pretty scary for just how familiar I am with the blam engine and the way the physics feel :/
It won’t matter. Gameplay has nothing to do with the engine
@@jameshamil this statement shows how ignorant you are about the subject...
@@brunojr9 I’m literally a game developer
With the current situation involved, I think Halo with Unreal can be a good move in terms of making a solid game, easy to start for new employees, new content and such. But I bet they will also kill some modes and tweaks we used to.
On the other hand... Tatanka becoming a greater game, maybe like an Extraction game, might be a good move, as if Tatanka can be the start of a better Halo. Although, we must say that the game is mostly made by Certain Affinity (which is a good thing).
Very skeptical. And very uncertain that it will actually end up this way. As some have mentioned, if this messes with Forge... problematic. At the same time, if it means we'll see the end of the glitchiness and can maintain that Halo feel, it's a win.
I'm curious how this would mess with Forge?
@@nikolasrose4770 The concept of Forge is that it's a user-friendly and limited/currated version of the engine. Change the engine, and suddenly Forge has to be redone from scratch... again.
Imagine spending probably millions of dollars on developing a whole new advanced and complicated engine only for Unreal to run in and kick you in the nuts with steel-toed boots. Not that I'm complaining it's just- Jesus... that must've been a brutal blow to Microsoft and 343's ego.
Mint bliz remeber we play that unreal engine halo fan game
I remember!
Yeah. Teaching new folks the slipspace is harder than getting folks already experienced with unreal
Exhausted, is how I feel about this news and Halo in general. My favorite video game series since 2001. It just saddens me.
Thank you for the info keep the videos coming, also played a game with you and you completely stomped me. GG
GG sir
If halo 7 or infinite 2.0 is a year or two Away on the unreal engine and All features at lanch/relaunch. Halo will be in a great place.
that triple kill with the fusion coil though....
I seriously doubt Tatanka is coming in the next 2 years if they are moving out to Unreal.I think at least 3 years. It is a colossal work to port stuff from one engine to another.
Great news for 343/MS now they can keep using even more temporary contractors who already know unreal engine, instead of actually developing their in house skills and tools
Just spend some time watching what you can do in UE 5 on TH-cam. It's wild to see what is achievable. The hyper realism of quixel and megascans, the way polygons are rendered now in 5.2 for draw distance, etc etc.
It's getting the game play to match up. That I don't know enough about.
I hope it has mod support, if it does that will be amazing because Unreal engine will allow modders so much more power compared to the halo 3 engine
Unreal Engine games almost never have mod support, and those that do have awful mod kits (looking at you, ARK)
@@bable6314 Ready or Not has awesome mods.
@@michaelrhernandez2428 If anything this'll be the start to Unreal Engine being made to be more Mod-Friendly
The efforts to make it be able to do mods for Halo 7 will make it very possible for other games to pick up where they left off and expand on Modding on UE5
ive waited since the 8th grade for halo infinite when it came out my sophomore year of college. its exhausting seeing my childhood favorite franchise like this for so long and now its going to be longer
You’re optimism is saccharine. I could not have been happier with the complete overhaul of management at 343 (Act Man’s latest video depicts this as almost a bad thing) but I will not be holding my breath in anticipation for any “Live
Service” Infinite content or for any future Halo titles. They’ve lost this lifelong fan and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
im glad you addressed the difference with the physics because alot of people dont understand that the engine doesnt really matter as much when it comes to game feel, thats all code , physics however , depends on how the physics is coded in that engine, so that will be different , the way objects are effected by forces and being launched , but the overal game feel can match slip space and the blam engine , if they do it right.
The slip space engine lived to halos legacy, I hoped they would keep using this engine like how Resident evil is with its own engine
I hoped they would remake halo 3 or halo using the slip space engine but I guess not
The main advantage here is being able to find devs. Devs can google questions about unreal, can’t say the same about custom built engines
This is madly exciting. I was and am a massive Bungie Halo fan and would really love to feel to say toward's 343's efforts.
On top of whatever this Infinite 2.0 looks like, I'm very excited for what might also happen with some kind of toolset expansion into the Unreal Marketplace. The change in leadership is also MASSIVE. Even with massive teams just a few people can obviously turn a project for the better or worse, and you gotta imagine whoever was a frustrated lead that might be moving up to something more senior is ready to bring it. To me Infinite needs a ground up rework, and hopefully that comes here.
While it’s kinda sad that they might abandon slipspace for future projects, this will likely be a change for the best, after years of engine issues (H5 also suffered from this btw) it was very clear that the tools needed to be more reliable, and slipspace proved to not be reliable enough
I love halo, but over the past decade or so. I have to salute you guys who keep the content up, because holy crap. i dont know how any of you have the fortitude to keep a stiff upper lip with how awful the series has been handled trying to find the bright spots again and again and again and again and again blow after blow that the series has been dealt. I boot up MCC about once a week and have fun since its been fixed about what.. 5 years after launch. I seriously don't know how the series is still afloat with everything thats happened.
Taking tough steps late is better than never taking them at all. It seems we finally have some ppl running this show that have even a basic foundational awareness of what it needs in order to survive.
I've been in large corporations that are too stubborn to admit something expensive was a total failure and let me tell you if sucks for the workers.
Ultimately I see this as a necessary step. While it would be nice to have an upgraded version like the Tiger Engine, it simply wasn't possible or cost effective.
The pros:
- Better graphics
- Easier time getting staff on board
- The feeling of halo can still be retained. Destiny still uses a version of the Blam engine but it feels pretty different at this stage.
- Easier time getting content that we asked for like story DLC's
etc
Overall I'm hoping this change will finally get halo back on track.
Perhaps to the point where people finally start looking at it as a next gen game
I can almost guarantee they’re doing this to address the contractor problem. Instead of just hiring full time staff they chose to pick the engine with quicker development time. Money > Quality. Love to see it
The only thing I can think of for a negative is that too many games are using the unreal engine and the look and feel for halo might not stand out. Hopefully it feels like a fresh new experience and I'm completely wrong.
Seems silly changing to unreal this late, that mean everything certain affinity have been working on is just scrapped and they will be starting from the beginning.
Heard Pierre was in charge of multiplayer for a while now. Like even before Remy made a vid on it. That being said it looks like we're actually seeing some changes now so it's cool
Exciting to see Lumen and Nanite technology used in Halo!
This is a slippery slope. For a company that has had so much trouble, for more than a decade, simply trying to understand what Halo is, moving to an entirely new engine has the potential to destroy whatever was left of Halo’s magic.
they better just move everything in HI to the unreal, cause 343 should just learn to finish what they started
The physics is such a big part of what makes Halo Halo...
Personally, I see this as a good thing since that means developers can use an engine thats better documented and more widely familiar with, allowing them to do more creative things they probably didn't know or could do with the Slipspace engine. Watching videos of modders work with both the older Blam engine and Slipspace engine can tell you that both engines are an absolute nightmare of an engine to work with; Halo 2 being an example of Blam being the biggest spaghetti code problem in AAA games.
I've worked with both Unity and Unreal and I can assure the Unreal is definitely the more user-friendly of publically availible engines out there so I am sure community content at least will see a huge boost in what it can do either through modding or whatever 343 gives us to make custom games with in the future. I see this as a trend that most older game titles still running are/should be doing to stay relevent and have effective development.
What a horrible mismanagement of one of the greatest franchises of all time. I will only be recognizing Halo CE - Halo 3 and reach as halo games moving forward.
Bro I wont lie sometimes I just click these videos to see that insane gameplay
The only thing I’m worried about is it not feeling like halo. That halo feel is hard to replicate especially on a new engine
This just means more waiting. It also seems I shouldn’t have already spent $50 on cosmetics for infinite
So they're definitely ditching the "10 year plan" for Halo Infinite / SlipSpace engine.
While it might 'save' Halo, the move to Unreal Engine just comes off as a complete capitulation and embarrassment for what was once a proud franchise in the gaming industry. I'd rather this franchise died on its feet than live on it's knees...
I'm glad that all these changes are being implemented. I think 343, while unfortunate, needed all these changes and prior to that needed the failure of Halo Infinite to help them see that whatever they are doing is not working.
From my experience, there are too many people being brought into the gaming industry as managers and project leads who are not enthusiastic about the products they are selling, or who are business-oriented more than they are passionate about their product. Prior to around 2014, this was a lot less common, and the entire development team used to be passionate about their products.
It has been sad to see the state of gaming these past few years, but I am glad that all the failures have happened, for 343 and other companies, as it will set the foundation for the future and remind everyone that Quality is paramount, and is more important than releasing unfinished products as per a schedule.
this is probably for the best for halo, but i don't think halo will feel the same without the blam/slipspace engine. the wacky physics and general graphics processing is one of the best parts of halo and i don't know if they'll be able to recreate that in unreal
I miss Warzone. I wanna fight Covenant remnants, Banished kill teams, Promethean survivors, Forerunner sentinel workers, and even Insurrectionist squads while fighting enemy spartans
Sean Dubs was right. never doubted the man. i think moving to UE5 is a genius idea. slipspace already looked and feels out of date when compated to new games. it was very clearly a new coat of paint on an old car.
VR HALO PLZ. I guess they would need to be sure other studios are working on VR games as well to actually sell headsets, but I think 5 years from now is the time for VR Halo.