The "skill" argument will never make sense to me. If mihawk is only more "skilled" but shanks is stronger wtf is the point of fighting for the title if you can lose to another swordman but still be the WSS? What is that so called "skill" going to mean to zoro when he's Only more skilled than the other swordman but still weaker and could lose to them in a fight? Zoro even vowed to never lose again.
ikr it's legit braindead, one piece fans are simply dumb if they believe shanks is stronger than mihawk who's skilled than he is and viewed as the stronger combatant than shanks by the navy themselves
Another thing a lot of people don't like to acknowledge or they like to put their own head canon is the whole "WSS" title. In the title in general when it comes to its stating that mihawk's sword skills is better than shanks's sword skills. So now a lot of shanks fans are saying mihawk is not stronger than shanks, ITS HIS SKILL that is better than shanks. But, at the end of the day, thats just a head canon. Im just gonna go ahead and paint the picture for you to give you a stronger grasp of the power of mihawk and they're literally telling you how strong mihawk is without having mihawk show his full power. Yet, its a reason they haven't showed his full power. Yet, its a reason why they haven't shown us his full power yet within the series. So boom, I'm gonna pop up a definition from the Oxford dictionary. I did a quick google search and searched up what was the best dictionary to use and I'm just use Oxford dictionary and I'm gonna pop up one of the many of definitions is literally like so many definitions of skill but I'm just gonna choose the longest one I've seen to be able to help explain my point. So we have the definition of skill: "Skill: is the capability of accomplishing something with precision and certainty; practical knowledge in combination with ability; cleverness, expertness. Also, an ability to preform a function, acquired or learnt with practice (usually plural). Frequently const. to with infinitive." So boom, we have the real definition of skill it is certified. If shanks used and people call and I would say shanks is definitely top 5 within the OP verse but a lot of people claim shanks to be at that No.1 spot. So we're going based off of that. If shanks used an attack called "divine departure" used with advanced conquerors haki to fuel that attack and one tapped a pirate named "eustass Kidd" and if mihawk and they stated WORD FOR WORD, BAR FOR BAR, his skill is better than shanks himself. We see the definition of skill "Also, an ability to preform a function". Mihawk's ability is to preform a function is better than shanks. Shanks used a divine departure attack with advanced conquerors haki so that means mihawk's ability to we could even say use the same attack. Mihawk's ability to do that attack will always be better than shanks. Plain and simple.
@@SHADOWISTHEGOAT-e4v Exactly. Anything shanks does with a sword mihawk can do better. And shanks best feats are with a sword. It's also weird how people will argue world's strongest swordman equates to world's most skilled swordman but you'd never catch them calling whitebeard the world's most skilled man 💀
if i had to choose i’d say shanks is stronger rn just bc what we’ve seen from him in regards to haki, but i will be open to change my opinion when mihawk really starts to get involved in the story
I would say that shanks in is stronger overall because of his haki while mihawk is a stronger in swordsmanship though i might change my decision after we see mihawk fight at full power(probably against zoro)
If I said "I would say Luffy is not a pirate" still does not make it true until the story makes him quit being one. You people got it completely BACKWARDS where the story and ALL the other canon source materials literally state Mihawk to be the strongest of all swordsmen AND that Shanks is NO LONGER as powerful as Mihawk, but you take it the opposite way by saying Shanks is stronger. The RIGHT stance that Shanks or ANY level-headed reader who does not read with their bias, should see Mihawk as stronger, UNTIL the story shows Shanks beating Mihawk or says Mihawk is no longer powerful than his rival.
Mihawk is by far the character we’ve seen the most of, but the least of his capabilities. I think its a sign of power but then why hype Shanks up so crazy?
Shanks fans are just delusional. “Peoples dreams never die!” One of the most important quotes from Blackbeard. Dreams are one of the biggest themes in all of one piece. Every member in the straw hat crew has a dream they want to achieve. For you guys to all believe shanks is stronger literally invalidates, arguably the second most shown character in the show. You think oda wrote zoros entire backstory and made his dream to be the strongest swordsman, SHOWED HIS FIGHT WITH MIHAWK, to specifically correlate to zoros dream to mihawk, so that when he beats him he will fulfill his dream just to turn around and say “Haha zoros the strongest swordsman except for special red hair man here!” It’s the exact same as saying Brooke would never meet laboon, sanji never gets to see the all blue; Nami never makes her map. It sounds absolutely fucking stupid to think oda made all these dreams for the crew just to turn around at the end and crush them. Zoros dream is a direct correlation to mihawks title. He beats him, his dream comes true. If you think zoro would be happy walking around the world calling himself the worlds strongest swordsman, while other people who use swords walk around and are stronger but just don’t “call themself a swordsman” you have severely misread and misunderstood zoro’s entire character
I will bet my money on Mihawk. I have this feeling he is the strongest individual in the verse. He is an allegory of Dracula, a being so powerful that it literally got depression and decided to die for his love. The definition of suffering from success. He literally only wants to be left alone and fight worthy swordsmen, that's how bored he is.
All Shanks fanboys are cooking up many reasons and excuses just so they can justify their logic that "Favourite Character >>> Stronger Character". They even come up with a "Shanks is a Haki-Man not a Swordsman" just so they can deny the fact that Shanks is below Mihawk. Shanks and Mihawk is not the problem, it's the One Piece fandom that has a comprehension problem, what is so hard to comprehend with Oda's narration? He clearly stated that "Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality, he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and fought many powerful swordsman until none was left. He is waiting for the day a swordsman will appear which strength far surpasses that of his rival red-haired(meaning Shanks is not even a challenge for Mihawk anymore because Shanks sacrificed his dominant arm for luffy which made Mihawk angry)". So Shanks fanboys stop coming up with many coping mechanism like "Haki-Man" just so you can deny the fact that Mihawk is above Shanks both in Strength and Skill, because you are all stupid to think that a tremendously strong character like Mihawk the "World Strongest Swordsman" in the One Piece Verse has no haki(conqueror, armament and observation). Just wait for Oda to show in the final saga what Mihawk is truly capable of because Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason.
To me, Mihawk being the stronger swordsman, implies that shanks fights with more than just a sword. He could also be a brawler like luffy but without the fruit powers. More of an all-around fighter.
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru I don’t believe he is weaker just not as good of a sword fighter. Either that or he just doesn’t care about fancy titles like that, which would be very on brand for him.
Hahaha, all Shanks fanboys are cooking up many reasons and excuses just so they can justify their logic that "Favourite Character >>> Stronger Character". They even come up with a "Shanks is a Haki-Man not a Swordsman" just so they can deny the fact that Shanks is below Mihawk. Shanks and Mihawk is not the problem, it's the One Piece fandom that has a comprehension problem, what is so hard to comprehend with Oda's narration? He clearly stated that "Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality, he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and fought many powerful swordsman until none was left. He is waiting for the day a swordsman will appear which strength far surpasses that of his rival red-haired(meaning Shanks is not even a challenge for Mihawk anymore because Shanks sacrificed his dominant arm for luffy which made Mihawk angry)". So Shanks fanboys stop coming up with many coping mechanism like "Haki-Man" just so you can deny the fact that Mihawk is above Shanks both in Strength and Skill, because you are all stupid to think that a tremendously strong character like Mihawk the "World Strongest Swordsman" in the One Piece Verse has no haki(conqueror, armament and observation). Just wait for Oda to show in the final saga what Mihawk is truly capable of because Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason.
Honestly i think the difference between shanks/mihawk is probably so minimal that if they dueled eah other 100 times the result would probably be 50/50. Alot of one piece fans really let their own head cannon somehow change the story when we know barely nothing about either.
I personally think that Mihawk is stronger but I do understand the other side of the augment. My main reason for thinking that Mihawk is stronger is because it will make Zoro’s goal redundant if Shanks is stronger and also considered a swordsman, and I don’t necessarily think that, NARRATIVELY speaking, Oda will do that. Also, the augment about Shanks being more feared collapses if you put it under even the tiniest bit of scrutiny because Mihawk just wants to be left in peace so obviously people probably fear him less.
You make a great point, my man. Mihawk doesn’t care for notoriety and fame, he goes out of his way to avoid it even. EOS Zoro will no doubt be above Shanks so your argument checks out. I can’t really provide any other counterpoint besides my own personal opinion 😂
Mihawk only problem is he has no relevance to the plot. He's not interested in anything but Zoro. The marine ignored him, they don't even send an admiral or vice admiral on his way. Maybe they don't want to waste resources on him, but idk. Making him more involved in world politics is a baby step into a good direction. For now he's just dragged into this world by Buggy's antics and Crocodile's plans, Mihawk himself has no reason to fight. Mihawk vs Shanks was not happening because oda still need shanks for the plot. Mihawk refusing to fight shanks is just Oda's lame uncreative excuse to keep shanks active. Oda need to think of a way to involve Mihawk futher into the plot. I hope he's cooking something good and the wait (mihawk vs zoro) will be totally worth it. The shanks vs mihawk debate is just a symptom of Oda's Mihawk Problem (a storytelling challenge). It's just a tip of an iceberg. I'm watching Oda closely, i want to know how he solved it
Seems pretty clear Mihawk is stronger. As everything Oda revealed about Mihawk and Shanks skills suggest Shanks got all of them because of fighting Mihawk. Shanks was supposed to be Mihawk’s Zoro. And them went and got his arm ate by a random fish.
I think my comment is awesome! Lol I still watch videos of mihawk because he’s my favorite character besides all of the straw hats. I still find it funny that people don’t believe he’s the strongest and most powerful swordsman. Think about it. Even though he can be defeated in a fight because he’s a one piece human being/character who can die, his whole character just means he can fight anyone most of the time and come out alive unscathed. He can fight around people’s devil fruit powers, people who have strong ass haki and a combination of the 2. Even if he gets defeated, gets injured and/or killed in a fight, the person who won won’t be unscathed at all. Just think about the marineford war. Even though during that time haki wasn’t shown like how it does in the time skip, shanks blocked a magma fist from akainu. A MAGMA FIST! A MAGMA FIST WAS BLOCKED BY A SWORD COATED IN ARMAMENT HAKI. OR EVEN CONQUERORS HAKI. Whatever! The dude blocked akainu’s magma fist and was standing near it. Think about how hot that magma was. His sword and his entire wellbeing was fine. So imagine mihawk who has a sword permanently coated in armament haki. This dude can definitely hurt a mastered logia user. I’m sure akainu has mastered his logia. Still. Mihawk is scary.
Please, if you want to read a full on essay from a guy that considers Mihawk a fraud somewhat, read on.. The narrative problem with Mihawk being stronger than Shanks: Shanks has a connection to Luffy.. Luffy made a promise to surpass him and his crew.. Mihawk has a connection to Zoro..Zoro made a promise to surpass the greatest,Mihawk.. Defeating Shanks is part of Luffy's overall goal. Luffy's dream will always be superior to Zoro's Portrayal(Shanks has 1cm over Mihawk,lol) Shanks has been shown to be feared or respected by all top tiers in the verse.. His showings in the series are of the highest quality.. Not WB,Roger or whoever has shown better conquerors feats than Shanks... Don't get me wrong, the chance Shanks is on the same tier as the 2 legends is 50% in my eyes.. Even if you don't agree with this power scaling, Oda is showing clear favoritism for his wonder boy. Titles I don't respect worlds strongest titles.. From my point of view, Shanks was top 1 the moment he stepped on Whitebeards ship, when he went to warn him about Teach.. Old Wb at that time was clearly not the strongest in the world anymore. He was ill, connected to life support..The showing in Marineford only allured to the monster he once was, but no Admiral was critically injured by him.. We were left to wonder about Kaido's title as the strongest creature when Shanks told him to fuck off before his arrival at Marineford.. Why? Did Shanks tell Kaido something about Joyboy? Did he give him a treasure map? Did he give him a drink and asked him pretty please? No, Kaido has him in his top 5 for a reason..and there's a damn good reason all the others from his top 5 are already dead. Joyboy Luffy is already above him, so his title again doesn't mean much.. Gotcha, Shanks is not the WSM, because Imu was always in the shadows, so everyone that had this title was a fraud.. Now, why would Mihawks title be any different? The God's nights have appeared, Figgarland has appeared, and we have the Old Gandhi Gorosei. My main problem with Mihawk's title is that it doesn't make sense in the story.. We know what will happen because Whitebeard told us.. Luffy will become the Pirate King, will learn the true history, and with all that history on his back, will challenge the whole World Government to a fight. Now..when do you think that Zoro is fighting Mihawk for the title? I know the general opinion is that Mihawk will be Zoro's final fight in the series, but for me that sounds anticlimactic as hell.. Luffy beats Blackbeard, becomes Pirate King, learns the true history, gathers his allies around the world, making the voyage again sounding the drums of liberation, arrives at the holy land, flies through the Admirals, through the Gorosei, defeats Imu and fulfills Joyboy's will of 800 years. Now, on a deserted island, Zoro says "It's my time"... You know how Whitebeard was announced at the battlefield? When each one of his steps echoed through Marineford? I want that for Luffy.. and when he's announced as the Pirate King, i don't wan to hear " Right hand man, nr 1 swordsman contender for the WSS title, Zoro"..Doesn't really sound all that good now, doesn't it? My point is that Zoro needs to become WSS before Luffy becomes PK, and if that's the case, why would Mihawk be the strongest swordsman? Zoro is fighting swordsmen after Laugh tale..He has Figgarland, probably the captain of the Gods nights, probably the Gandhi Gorosei...probably a clone of Ryuma...fuck knows. If all these swordsmen are all weaker than Mihawk, how would they pose a threat to WSS Zoro ?
@@yellowbeez93 my nigga I’ve read every vivre care back manga page manga art cover page story and every source of main web at least the oden even himself no translation I’m talking out his mouth said that he got no. Weaker after losing his dominat arm
I lean towards shanks but one thing that REALLY has me thinking is the dynamic between shanks and mihawk is kind of a microcosm of disparity between western and eastern dragons of the verse Like how eastern dragons are viewed as divine rulers and western dragons are agents of destruction. Just look at the early scenes of both characters, shanks brings the lord of the coast to heel without use of force. his authority (kings haki) being absolute. Then you have mihawk you gets introduced through his destruction of don kreigs fleet. Would love to hear your take on this and congrats on the channel growth 👏🏾😎
One more thing that came to mind was how despite punk hazard having a full grown (w)dragon the gov was only weary of the potential of vegapunks cloned fruit made from kaido
Shanks fans are just ignorant. “Peoples dreams never die!” One of the most important quotes from Blackbeard. Dreams are one of the biggest themes in all of one piece. Every member in the straw hat crew has a dream they want to achieve. For you guys to all believe shanks is stronger literally invalidates, arguably the second most shown character in the show. You think oda wrote zoros entire backstory and made his dream to be the strongest swordsman, SHOWED HIS FIGHT WITH MIHAWK, to specifically correlate to zoros dream to mihawk, so that when he beats him he will fulfill his dream just to turn around and say “Haha zoros the strongest swordsman except for special red hair man here!” It’s the exact same as saying Brooke would never meet laboon, sanji never gets to see the all blue; Nami never makes her map. It sounds absolutely fucking stupid to think oda made all these dreams for the crew just to turn around at the end and crush them. Zoros dream is a direct correlation to mihawks title. He beats him, his dream comes true. If you think zoro would be happy walking around the world calling himself the worlds strongest swordsman, while other people who use swords walk around and are stronger but just don’t “call themself a swordsman” you have severely misread and misunderstood zoro’s entire character
Mihawk has to be stronger when he‘s the worlds strongest swordsman and we classify Shanks as a swordsman. But I don‘t think that Oda thought about that when writing One Piece Pre Time Skip and has to loop his way out of this now. In the end I think he‘s just going to classify Shanks as a Pure Haki user and not a swordsman (probably like Roger) to get himself out of that. In the end zoro has to be one step behind luffy story wise so Oda just finds some excuse to define shanks as stronger, he has to do that or there cant be a climax to the story.
Just say that your biased towards shanks instead of this oda can't do this bullshit. Zoro's dream to become the world strongest swordsman would become invalid if at the end of the story there was some swordsman stronger than him also unlike Zoro, Luffy's end goal was never to defeat shanks his dream is to become the most free person in the world and by becoming pirate king will accomplish that. It would be different if shanks was a pirate king but since he is not luffy doesn't necessarily need to defeat him. His final fight would be against the WG. Where he will surpass joyboy.
Mihawk must have coc, as Zoro will develop his own and Zoro would see it as unfair to use coc vs non coc Mihawk. I think a named attack from Mihawk will be the strongest attack we will see in One Piece, but with the little information we have, i would put the fight 55x45 in favor of Shanks
Narrative does 😂 and the narrative calls for mihawk to live up to his title. Your Only argument is that oda has been lying about mihawk being the world's strongest swordsman
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ruOn god 😭 they say titles don't mean shit then be the same ones saying Roger low diffs the Yonko. When you ask for a reason why it's "bc he's pirate king 🤓"
Shanks is a swordsman, Mihawk has the title of the worlds strongest swordsman, It doesn't mean Mihawk stronger than Shanks, same is with Roger and Whitebeard, Roger is king of pirates even if Whitebeard is stronger, WB just didn't want the title same with Shanks, Shanks could easily challenge and beat Mihawk, but he doesn't want to
King of the pirates literally doesn't relate to strength he didn't beat anyone to earn that title.. didn't beat wb , didn't beat shiki , didn't even beat garp or sengoku so that title is irrelevant. Whitebeard was strongest man when roger was alive that already proves Wb >= roger same with mihawk and shanks. Shanks couldn't defeat mihawk when he had two arms so how can he defeat him now that he doesn't have one also you cannot say shanks grew stronger after losing his arm while mihawk remained stagnant that is just being biased
if we add movie feats. mihawk easily destroys fujitora's meteor drop in stampede movie. and shank's unleash of conqueror's haki can even take down several vice admirals in film red.
A half a dozen feats I think you mean shanks bringing more feats then mihawk. Mihawk barely brings anything to the table but story narrative and a few feats. Shanks feats -stopped akainu -stopped kaido from going to marineford -dueled mihawk multiple times coming up -their duels out the whole grandline on notice and shook it according to whitbeard it’s not debatable nearly everything whitbeard says is not debatable. -shanks has observation haki killer due to the fact of his overwhelming conquers haki -shanks made greenbull run -shanks made fujitora and kizaru retreat in film red since the figarland name is canon that is canon no admiral or mihawktard agenda with that we are counting this as a feat along with observation killer technique. -on shot 4 billion in kidd and killer fresh off beating big mom he even checked if kidd was injured - his leap off the island to kill kidd and the distance he covered makes this one of the best speed feats -master of all haki Mihawk pathetic feats -beat pre timeskip zoro -hunted down fodder don krieg -dueled shanks - cut ice -fought vista -admitted the path of a pirate king is a loftier goal -black blade -master of two haki. So you tell me Mifraud fans. Oh btw oda also said that out of any character he’s most like shanks since his best friend was based on buggy. Y’all wank akainu for being a oda fave keep that same energy for shanks🤣
Stopping Kaido isn’t really a feat when there’s no context. Shanks didn’t make Ryokugyu run - it was the presence of the Red-Haired Pirates. A crew said to be the most rounded out of the yonko btw. Counting non-canon feats is HILARIOUS. Brother, I’m in the camp of Shanks > Mihawk but you’re incredibly biased which is okay. 😂 Respect Mihawk, my guy.
@@DarkKingAdonis How is stopping the worlds strongest creature who loves war not a feat that’s that Mifraud fan boy shit. The fact is he told the worlds strongest creature go home you are not joining this war. Call it the crew all you want to discredit shanks all you want it was shanks haki that sent him running that some real admiral wank right there not counting that feat. It was shanks paralyzing haki that shut him down. Counting the shanks observation haki killer is a actual canon ppl can cry about it some more after the figarland name became canon. You don’t get to pick and choose what’s canon bro not how it works if the figarland is canon so is shanks abilty to nullify his opponents future sight haki the hawk eye the clairvoyant can not use any observation skills on shanks. I will not respect mihawk I really can’t believe you just tried to downplay shanks like that when you’re in his camp shanks ha just done better stuff. Also ppl wank akainu for being one of oda favorite characters oda himself said the character he’s most like is shanks.
Another thing a lot of people don't like to acknowledge or they like to put their own head canon is the whole "WSS" title. In the title in general when it comes to its stating that mihawk's sword skills is better than shanks's sword skills. So now a lot of shanks fans are saying mihawk is not stronger than shanks, ITS HIS SKILL that is better than shanks. But, at the end of the day, thats just a head canon. Im just gonna go ahead and paint the picture for you to give you a stronger grasp of the power of mihawk and they're literally telling you how strong mihawk is without having mihawk show his full power. Yet, its a reason they haven't showed his full power. Yet, its a reason why they haven't shown us his full power yet within the series. So boom, I'm gonna pop up a definition from the Oxford dictionary. I did a quick google search and searched up what was the best dictionary to use and I'm just use Oxford dictionary and I'm gonna pop up one of the many of definitions is literally like so many definitions of skill but I'm just gonna choose the longest one I've seen to be able to help explain my point. So we have the definition of skill: "Skill: is the capability of accomplishing something with precision and certainty; practical knowledge in combination with ability; cleverness, expertness. Also, an ability to preform a function, acquired or learnt with practice (usually plural). Frequently const. to with infinitive." So boom, we have the real definition of skill it is certified. If shanks used and people call and I would say shanks is definitely top 5 within the OP verse but a lot of people claim shanks to be at that No.1 spot. So we're going based off of that. If shanks used an attack called "divine departure" used with advanced conquerors haki to fuel that attack and one tapped a pirate named "eustass Kidd" and if mihawk and they stated WORD FOR WORD, BAR FOR BAR, his skill is better than shanks himself. We see the definition of skill "Also, an ability to preform a function". Mihawk's ability is to preform a function is better than shanks. Shanks used a divine departure attack with advanced conquerors haki so that means mihawk's ability to we could even say use the same attack. Mihawk's ability to do that attack will always be better than shanks. Plain and simple
most stupid debate of oat with sanji vs zoro up there , hows some1 sailing all alone over so many years with no coc and didnt got wiped out while Holding this title for this long ,it doesnt make sense.. I swear to god all i need is one named attack oda enough of this wait
The "skill" argument will never make sense to me. If mihawk is only more "skilled" but shanks is stronger wtf is the point of fighting for the title if you can lose to another swordman but still be the WSS? What is that so called "skill" going to mean to zoro when he's Only more skilled than the other swordman but still weaker and could lose to them in a fight? Zoro even vowed to never lose again.
ikr it's legit braindead, one piece fans are simply dumb if they believe shanks is stronger than mihawk who's skilled than he is and viewed as the stronger combatant than shanks by the navy themselves
Another thing a lot of people don't like to acknowledge or they like to put their own head canon is the whole "WSS" title.
In the title in general when it comes to its stating that mihawk's sword skills is better than shanks's sword skills. So now a lot of shanks fans are saying mihawk is not stronger than shanks, ITS HIS SKILL that is better than shanks. But, at the end of the day, thats just a head canon.
Im just gonna go ahead and paint the picture for you to give you a stronger grasp of the power of mihawk and they're literally telling you how strong mihawk is without having mihawk show his full power. Yet, its a reason they haven't showed his full power. Yet, its a reason why they haven't shown us his full power yet within the series.
So boom, I'm gonna pop up a definition from the Oxford dictionary. I did a quick google search and searched up what was the best dictionary to use and I'm just use Oxford dictionary and I'm gonna pop up one of the many of definitions is literally like so many definitions of skill but I'm just gonna choose the longest one I've seen to be able to help explain my point.
So we have the definition of skill:
"Skill: is the capability of accomplishing something with precision and certainty; practical knowledge in combination with ability; cleverness, expertness. Also, an ability to preform a function, acquired or learnt with practice (usually plural). Frequently const. to with infinitive."
So boom, we have the real definition of skill it is certified.
If shanks used and people call and I would say shanks is definitely top 5 within the OP verse but a lot of people claim shanks to be at that No.1 spot. So we're going based off of that.
If shanks used an attack called "divine departure" used with advanced conquerors haki to fuel that attack and one tapped a pirate named "eustass Kidd" and if mihawk and they stated WORD FOR WORD, BAR FOR BAR, his skill is better than shanks himself.
We see the definition of skill "Also, an ability to preform a function". Mihawk's ability is to preform a function is better than shanks. Shanks used a divine departure attack with advanced conquerors haki so that means mihawk's ability to we could even say use the same attack.
Mihawk's ability to do that attack will always be better than shanks.
Plain and simple.
@@SHADOWISTHEGOAT-e4v Exactly. Anything shanks does with a sword mihawk can do better. And shanks best feats are with a sword. It's also weird how people will argue world's strongest swordman equates to world's most skilled swordman but you'd never catch them calling whitebeard the world's most skilled man 💀
if i had to choose i’d say shanks is stronger rn just bc what we’ve seen from him in regards to haki, but i will be open to change my opinion when mihawk really starts to get involved in the story
This is my stance almost verbatim.
I would say that shanks in is stronger overall because of his haki while mihawk is a stronger in swordsmanship though i might change my decision after we see mihawk fight at full power(probably against zoro)
If I said "I would say Luffy is not a pirate" still does not make it true until the story makes him quit being one.
You people got it completely BACKWARDS where the story and ALL the other canon source materials literally state Mihawk to be the strongest of all swordsmen AND that Shanks is NO LONGER as powerful as Mihawk, but you take it the opposite way by saying Shanks is stronger.
The RIGHT stance that Shanks or ANY level-headed reader who does not read with their bias, should see Mihawk as stronger, UNTIL the story shows Shanks beating Mihawk or says Mihawk is no longer powerful than his rival.
Mihawk is by far the character we’ve seen the most of, but the least of his capabilities. I think its a sign of power but then why hype Shanks up so crazy?
Shanks fans are just delusional. “Peoples dreams never die!” One of the most important quotes from Blackbeard. Dreams are one of the biggest themes in all of one piece. Every member in the straw hat crew has a dream they want to achieve. For you guys to all believe shanks is stronger literally invalidates, arguably the second most shown character in the show. You think oda wrote zoros entire backstory and made his dream to be the strongest swordsman, SHOWED HIS FIGHT WITH MIHAWK, to specifically correlate to zoros dream to mihawk, so that when he beats him he will fulfill his dream just to turn around and say “Haha zoros the strongest swordsman except for special red hair man here!” It’s the exact same as saying Brooke would never meet laboon, sanji never gets to see the all blue; Nami never makes her map. It sounds absolutely fucking stupid to think oda made all these dreams for the crew just to turn around at the end and crush them. Zoros dream is a direct correlation to mihawks title. He beats him, his dream comes true. If you think zoro would be happy walking around the world calling himself the worlds strongest swordsman, while other people who use swords walk around and are stronger but just don’t “call themself a swordsman” you have severely misread and misunderstood zoro’s entire character
I will bet my money on Mihawk. I have this feeling he is the strongest individual in the verse. He is an allegory of Dracula, a being so powerful that it literally got depression and decided to die for his love. The definition of suffering from success. He literally only wants to be left alone and fight worthy swordsmen, that's how bored he is.
Besides Imu and potentially Dragon u right
ah i forgot to say: if mihawk wasnt the worlds strongest swordsman, he wouldve never accepted that title. hes about that life, but good video
Thanks man!
All Shanks fanboys are cooking up many reasons and excuses just so they can justify their logic that "Favourite Character >>> Stronger Character". They even come up with a "Shanks is a Haki-Man not a Swordsman" just so they can deny the fact that Shanks is below Mihawk. Shanks and Mihawk is not the problem, it's the One Piece fandom that has a comprehension problem, what is so hard to comprehend with Oda's narration? He clearly stated that "Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality, he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and fought many powerful swordsman until none was left. He is waiting for the day a swordsman will appear which strength far surpasses that of his rival red-haired(meaning Shanks is not even a challenge for Mihawk anymore because Shanks sacrificed his dominant arm for luffy which made Mihawk angry)". So Shanks fanboys stop coming up with many coping mechanism like "Haki-Man" just so you can deny the fact that Mihawk is above Shanks both in Strength and Skill, because you are all stupid to think that a tremendously strong character like Mihawk the "World Strongest Swordsman" in the One Piece Verse has no haki(conqueror, armament and observation). Just wait for Oda to show in the final saga what Mihawk is truly capable of because Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason.
If its a 1v1 with the gorosei, always bet on Rat-Haired Shanks
I rebuke the snitch allegations. Shanks don’t move like that 🐒
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To me, Mihawk being the stronger swordsman, implies that shanks fights with more than just a sword. He could also be a brawler like luffy but without the fruit powers. More of an all-around fighter.
So you just think shanks can't be weaker than mihawk that's why you try to come up with these excuses
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru I don’t believe he is weaker just not as good of a sword fighter. Either that or he just doesn’t care about fancy titles like that, which would be very on brand for him.
WHY Does he need to have something else?
Hahaha, all Shanks fanboys are cooking up many reasons and excuses just so they can justify their logic that "Favourite Character >>> Stronger Character". They even come up with a "Shanks is a Haki-Man not a Swordsman" just so they can deny the fact that Shanks is below Mihawk. Shanks and Mihawk is not the problem, it's the One Piece fandom that has a comprehension problem, what is so hard to comprehend with Oda's narration? He clearly stated that "Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman both in title and actuality, he sits at the very top as the most powerful among swordsmen. He trained relentlessly and fought many powerful swordsman until none was left. He is waiting for the day a swordsman will appear which strength far surpasses that of his rival red-haired(meaning Shanks is not even a challenge for Mihawk anymore because Shanks sacrificed his dominant arm for luffy which made Mihawk angry)". So Shanks fanboys stop coming up with many coping mechanism like "Haki-Man" just so you can deny the fact that Mihawk is above Shanks both in Strength and Skill, because you are all stupid to think that a tremendously strong character like Mihawk the "World Strongest Swordsman" in the One Piece Verse has no haki(conqueror, armament and observation). Just wait for Oda to show in the final saga what Mihawk is truly capable of because Oda is holding Mihawk's power for a reason.
Bruh this is one of the dumbest shit ive seen someone comment on TH-cam jc never cook again
Honestly i think the difference between shanks/mihawk is probably so minimal that if they dueled eah other 100 times the result would probably be 50/50.
Alot of one piece fans really let their own head cannon somehow change the story when we know barely nothing about either.
That’s what I be saying but it comes with the game 😂
I personally think that Mihawk is stronger but I do understand the other side of the augment. My main reason for thinking that Mihawk is stronger is because it will make Zoro’s goal redundant if Shanks is stronger and also considered a swordsman, and I don’t necessarily think that, NARRATIVELY speaking, Oda will do that. Also, the augment about Shanks being more feared collapses if you put it under even the tiniest bit of scrutiny because Mihawk just wants to be left in peace so obviously people probably fear him less.
You make a great point, my man. Mihawk doesn’t care for notoriety and fame, he goes out of his way to avoid it even. EOS Zoro will no doubt be above Shanks so your argument checks out. I can’t really provide any other counterpoint besides my own personal opinion 😂
I agree people are less scared of Mihawk.
Mihawk only problem is he has no relevance to the plot. He's not interested in anything but Zoro.
The marine ignored him, they don't even send an admiral or vice admiral on his way. Maybe they don't want to waste resources on him, but idk.
Making him more involved in world politics is a baby step into a good direction.
For now he's just dragged into this world by Buggy's antics and Crocodile's plans, Mihawk himself has no reason to fight.
Mihawk vs Shanks was not happening because oda still need shanks for the plot. Mihawk refusing to fight shanks is just Oda's lame uncreative excuse to keep shanks active.
Oda need to think of a way to involve Mihawk futher into the plot. I hope he's cooking something good and the wait (mihawk vs zoro) will be totally worth it.
The shanks vs mihawk debate is just a symptom of Oda's Mihawk Problem (a storytelling challenge). It's just a tip of an iceberg. I'm watching Oda closely, i want to know how he solved it
Seems pretty clear Mihawk is stronger. As everything Oda revealed about Mihawk and Shanks skills suggest Shanks got all of them because of fighting Mihawk.
Shanks was supposed to be Mihawk’s Zoro. And them went and got his arm ate by a random fish.
mihawk clears i see no problem
And that’s fair bro. I’m not here to argue 🤷🏾♂️
@@DarkKingAdonis me neither bro just want to tell em shanks glazers the factual truth
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😂😂 come on bro, nobody’s glazing for thinking Shanks is stronger
I think my comment is awesome! Lol
I still watch videos of mihawk because he’s my favorite character besides all of the straw hats.
I still find it funny that people don’t believe he’s the strongest and most powerful swordsman. Think about it. Even though he can be defeated in a fight because he’s a one piece human being/character who can die, his whole character just means he can fight anyone most of the time and come out alive unscathed.
He can fight around people’s devil fruit powers, people who have strong ass haki and a combination of the 2. Even if he gets defeated, gets injured and/or killed in a fight, the person who won won’t be unscathed at all.
Just think about the marineford war. Even though during that time haki wasn’t shown like how it does in the time skip, shanks blocked a magma fist from akainu. A MAGMA FIST! A MAGMA FIST WAS BLOCKED BY A SWORD COATED IN ARMAMENT HAKI. OR EVEN CONQUERORS HAKI. Whatever! The dude blocked akainu’s magma fist and was standing near it. Think about how hot that magma was. His sword and his entire wellbeing was fine.
So imagine mihawk who has a sword permanently coated in armament haki. This dude can definitely hurt a mastered logia user. I’m sure akainu has mastered his logia. Still. Mihawk is scary.
W vid bro
Thanks bro! This had to be addressed
Please, if you want to read a full on essay from a guy that considers Mihawk a fraud somewhat, read on..
The narrative problem with Mihawk being stronger than Shanks:
Shanks has a connection to Luffy.. Luffy made a promise to surpass him and his crew..
Mihawk has a connection to Zoro..Zoro made a promise to surpass the greatest,Mihawk..
Defeating Shanks is part of Luffy's overall goal. Luffy's dream will always be superior to Zoro's
Portrayal(Shanks has 1cm over Mihawk,lol)
Shanks has been shown to be feared or respected by all top tiers in the verse..
His showings in the series are of the highest quality..
Not WB,Roger or whoever has shown better conquerors feats than Shanks...
Don't get me wrong, the chance Shanks is on the same tier as the 2 legends is 50% in my eyes..
Even if you don't agree with this power scaling, Oda is showing clear favoritism for his wonder boy.
Titles
I don't respect worlds strongest titles..
From my point of view, Shanks was top 1 the moment he stepped on Whitebeards ship, when he went to warn him about Teach..
Old Wb at that time was clearly not the strongest in the world anymore. He was ill, connected to life support..The showing in Marineford only allured to the monster he once was, but no Admiral was critically injured by him..
We were left to wonder about Kaido's title as the strongest creature when Shanks told him to fuck off before his arrival at Marineford..
Why? Did Shanks tell Kaido something about Joyboy? Did he give him a treasure map? Did he give him a drink and asked him pretty please?
No, Kaido has him in his top 5 for a reason..and there's a damn good reason all the others from his top 5 are already dead.
Joyboy Luffy is already above him, so his title again doesn't mean much..
Gotcha, Shanks is not the WSM, because Imu was always in the shadows, so everyone that had this title was a fraud..
Now, why would Mihawks title be any different?
The God's nights have appeared, Figgarland has appeared, and we have the Old Gandhi Gorosei.
My main problem with Mihawk's title is that it doesn't make sense in the story..
We know what will happen because Whitebeard told us..
Luffy will become the Pirate King, will learn the true history, and with all that history on his back, will challenge the whole World Government to a fight.
Now..when do you think that Zoro is fighting Mihawk for the title?
I know the general opinion is that Mihawk will be Zoro's final fight in the series, but for me that sounds anticlimactic as hell..
Luffy beats Blackbeard, becomes Pirate King, learns the true history, gathers his allies around the world, making the voyage again sounding the drums of liberation, arrives at the holy land, flies through the Admirals, through the Gorosei, defeats Imu and fulfills Joyboy's will of 800 years.
Now, on a deserted island, Zoro says "It's my time"...
You know how Whitebeard was announced at the battlefield? When each one of his steps echoed through Marineford? I want that for Luffy.. and when he's announced as the Pirate King, i don't wan to hear " Right hand man, nr 1 swordsman contender for the WSS title, Zoro"..Doesn't really sound all that good now, doesn't it?
My point is that Zoro needs to become WSS before Luffy becomes PK, and if that's the case, why would Mihawk be the strongest swordsman?
Zoro is fighting swordsmen after Laugh tale..He has Figgarland, probably the captain of the Gods nights, probably the Gandhi Gorosei...probably a clone of Ryuma...fuck knows.
If all these swordsmen are all weaker than Mihawk, how would they pose a threat to WSS Zoro ?
Id say theyre equal. Like roger and garp
That’s pretty fair tbh
If they are equal, Shanks own vivre card would not have stated that he was no longer as powerful as Mihawk.
But go on.
@@yellowbeez93source : trust me bro
@@Onepiecepeakfiction huh? I just gave you the source. Tf u mean source trust me bro lmao
@@yellowbeez93 my nigga I’ve read every vivre care back manga page manga art cover page story and every source of main web at least the oden even himself no translation I’m talking out his mouth said that he got no. Weaker after losing his dominat arm
I lean towards shanks but one thing that REALLY has me thinking is the dynamic between shanks and mihawk is kind of a microcosm of disparity between western and eastern dragons of the verse
Like how eastern dragons are viewed as divine rulers and western dragons are agents of destruction. Just look at the early scenes of both characters, shanks brings the lord of the coast to heel without use of force. his authority (kings haki) being absolute. Then you have mihawk you gets introduced through his destruction of don kreigs fleet. Would love to hear your take on this and congrats on the channel growth 👏🏾😎
One more thing that came to mind was how despite punk hazard having a full grown (w)dragon the gov was only weary of the potential of vegapunks cloned fruit made from kaido
Yo this is really elaborate and I never considered this. 🤔 I might have to tackle this into the future. I appreciate your support boss!
Shanks fans are just ignorant. “Peoples dreams never die!” One of the most important quotes from Blackbeard. Dreams are one of the biggest themes in all of one piece. Every member in the straw hat crew has a dream they want to achieve. For you guys to all believe shanks is stronger literally invalidates, arguably the second most shown character in the show. You think oda wrote zoros entire backstory and made his dream to be the strongest swordsman, SHOWED HIS FIGHT WITH MIHAWK, to specifically correlate to zoros dream to mihawk, so that when he beats him he will fulfill his dream just to turn around and say “Haha zoros the strongest swordsman except for special red hair man here!” It’s the exact same as saying Brooke would never meet laboon, sanji never gets to see the all blue; Nami never makes her map. It sounds absolutely fucking stupid to think oda made all these dreams for the crew just to turn around at the end and crush them. Zoros dream is a direct correlation to mihawks title. He beats him, his dream comes true. If you think zoro would be happy walking around the world calling himself the worlds strongest swordsman, while other people who use swords walk around and are stronger but just don’t “call themself a swordsman” you have severely misread and misunderstood zoro’s entire character
Mihawk has to be stronger when he‘s the worlds strongest swordsman and we classify Shanks as a swordsman. But I don‘t think that Oda thought about that when writing One Piece Pre Time Skip and has to loop his way out of this now. In the end I think he‘s just going to classify Shanks as a Pure Haki user and not a swordsman (probably like Roger) to get himself out of that. In the end zoro has to be one step behind luffy story wise so Oda just finds some excuse to define shanks as stronger, he has to do that or there cant be a climax to the story.
Whitebeard used a blade to, doesn't make mihawk stronger than him. He is better swordsman.
Just say that your biased towards shanks instead of this oda can't do this bullshit. Zoro's dream to become the world strongest swordsman would become invalid if at the end of the story there was some swordsman stronger than him also unlike Zoro, Luffy's end goal was never to defeat shanks his dream is to become the most free person in the world and by becoming pirate king will accomplish that. It would be different if shanks was a pirate king but since he is not luffy doesn't necessarily need to defeat him. His final fight would be against the WG. Where he will surpass joyboy.
@@sazhaki2321Whitebeard's weapon is not even a sword it's something like a spear and he is also df user so he is clearly not a swordsman
Mihawk must have coc, as Zoro will develop his own and Zoro would see it as unfair to use coc vs non coc Mihawk. I think a named attack from Mihawk will be the strongest attack we will see in One Piece, but with the little information we have, i would put the fight 55x45 in favor of Shanks
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Titles dont mean much in OP tbh.
I agree 🤷🏾♂️
King of the pirates mean nothing
Narrative does 😂 and the narrative calls for mihawk to live up to his title. Your Only argument is that oda has been lying about mihawk being the world's strongest swordsman
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ruOn god 😭 they say titles don't mean shit then be the same ones saying Roger low diffs the Yonko. When you ask for a reason why it's "bc he's pirate king 🤓"
@@mightguy3118 fr bro!😂 double standards at it's peak🤦
Shanks is a swordsman, Mihawk has the title of the worlds strongest swordsman, It doesn't mean Mihawk stronger than Shanks, same is with Roger and Whitebeard, Roger is king of pirates even if Whitebeard is stronger, WB just didn't want the title same with Shanks, Shanks could easily challenge and beat Mihawk, but he doesn't want to
King of the pirates literally doesn't relate to strength he didn't beat anyone to earn that title.. didn't beat wb , didn't beat shiki , didn't even beat garp or sengoku so that title is irrelevant. Whitebeard was strongest man when roger was alive that already proves Wb >= roger same with mihawk and shanks. Shanks couldn't defeat mihawk when he had two arms so how can he defeat him now that he doesn't have one also you cannot say shanks grew stronger after losing his arm while mihawk remained stagnant that is just being biased
if we add movie feats. mihawk easily destroys fujitora's meteor drop in stampede movie. and shank's unleash of conqueror's haki can even take down several vice admirals in film red.
A half a dozen feats I think you mean shanks bringing more feats then mihawk. Mihawk barely brings anything to the table but story narrative and a few feats.
Shanks feats
-stopped akainu
-stopped kaido from going to marineford
-dueled mihawk multiple times coming up
-their duels out the whole grandline on notice and shook it according to whitbeard it’s not debatable nearly everything whitbeard says is not debatable.
-shanks has observation haki killer due to the fact of his overwhelming conquers haki
-shanks made greenbull run
-shanks made fujitora and kizaru retreat in film red since the figarland name is canon that is canon no admiral or mihawktard agenda with that we are counting this as a feat along with observation killer technique.
-on shot 4 billion in kidd and killer fresh off beating big mom he even checked if kidd was injured
- his leap off the island to kill kidd and the distance he covered makes this one of the best speed feats
-master of all haki
Mihawk pathetic feats
-beat pre timeskip zoro
-hunted down fodder don krieg
-dueled shanks
- cut ice
-fought vista
-admitted the path of a pirate king is a loftier goal
-black blade
-master of two haki.
So you tell me Mifraud fans. Oh btw oda also said that out of any character he’s most like shanks since his best friend was based on buggy. Y’all wank akainu for being a oda fave keep that same energy for shanks🤣
Stopping Kaido isn’t really a feat when there’s no context.
Shanks didn’t make Ryokugyu run - it was the presence of the Red-Haired Pirates. A crew said to be the most rounded out of the yonko btw.
Counting non-canon feats is HILARIOUS.
Brother, I’m in the camp of Shanks > Mihawk but you’re incredibly biased which is okay. 😂
Respect Mihawk, my guy.
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How is stopping the worlds strongest creature who loves war not a feat that’s that Mifraud fan boy shit. The fact is he told the worlds strongest creature go home you are not joining this war.
Call it the crew all you want to discredit shanks all you want it was shanks haki that sent him running that some real admiral wank right there not counting that feat. It was shanks paralyzing haki that shut him down.
Counting the shanks observation haki killer is a actual canon ppl can cry about it some more after the figarland name became canon. You don’t get to pick and choose what’s canon bro not how it works if the figarland is canon so is shanks abilty to nullify his opponents future sight haki the hawk eye the clairvoyant can not use any observation skills on shanks.
I will not respect mihawk I really can’t believe you just tried to downplay shanks like that when you’re in his camp shanks ha just done better stuff. Also ppl wank akainu for being one of oda favorite characters oda himself said the character he’s most like is shanks.
Mihawk > shanks cope
@@mightguy3118 congrats on saying the dumbest shit I’ve heard today 🤣🤡
Another thing a lot of people don't like to acknowledge or they like to put their own head canon is the whole "WSS" title.
In the title in general when it comes to its stating that mihawk's sword skills is better than shanks's sword skills. So now a lot of shanks fans are saying mihawk is not stronger than shanks, ITS HIS SKILL that is better than shanks. But, at the end of the day, thats just a head canon.
Im just gonna go ahead and paint the picture for you to give you a stronger grasp of the power of mihawk and they're literally telling you how strong mihawk is without having mihawk show his full power. Yet, its a reason they haven't showed his full power. Yet, its a reason why they haven't shown us his full power yet within the series.
So boom, I'm gonna pop up a definition from the Oxford dictionary. I did a quick google search and searched up what was the best dictionary to use and I'm just use Oxford dictionary and I'm gonna pop up one of the many of definitions is literally like so many definitions of skill but I'm just gonna choose the longest one I've seen to be able to help explain my point.
So we have the definition of skill:
"Skill: is the capability of accomplishing something with precision and certainty; practical knowledge in combination with ability; cleverness, expertness. Also, an ability to preform a function, acquired or learnt with practice (usually plural). Frequently const. to with infinitive."
So boom, we have the real definition of skill it is certified.
If shanks used and people call and I would say shanks is definitely top 5 within the OP verse but a lot of people claim shanks to be at that No.1 spot. So we're going based off of that.
If shanks used an attack called "divine departure" used with advanced conquerors haki to fuel that attack and one tapped a pirate named "eustass Kidd" and if mihawk and they stated WORD FOR WORD, BAR FOR BAR, his skill is better than shanks himself.
We see the definition of skill "Also, an ability to preform a function". Mihawk's ability is to preform a function is better than shanks. Shanks used a divine departure attack with advanced conquerors haki so that means mihawk's ability to we could even say use the same attack.
Mihawk's ability to do that attack will always be better than shanks.
Plain and simple
most stupid debate of oat with sanji vs zoro up there , hows some1 sailing all alone over so many years with no coc and didnt got wiped out while Holding this title for this long ,it doesnt make sense.. I swear to god all i need is one named attack oda enough of this wait
Mihawk>Shanks
Simple as that
I disagree but to each his own 😎
@@DarkKingAdonis well with Odas one shot getting animated soon we will see the real best swordsman anyway xD
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YOOOO that Ryuma special is gonna HIT