Tobii Eye Tracker 5 - Maximum Immersion - Star Citizen
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Today we are looking at the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 and how it can enhance your experience in Star Citizen. Tobii reached out and I was very excited to finally give the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 a go in Star Citizen. As many of you know I have previously used the TrackIR system, and through testing the Tobii Eye Tracker i'd gain a lot of insights on comparing the two!
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0:00 - Introducing the Tobii Eye Tracker 5
1:02 - The Benefits of Head Tracking
2:17 - Eye Tracking Calibration
3:01 - First Impressions
6:28 - Tobii Ghost
7:10 - Finding the right balance of Head/Eye Tracking
10:08 - Heading out for some ship Combat
20:45 - Some Final Thoughts
21:42 - Thrustmaster T16000M Duo Stick Set
22:25 - Conclusions and Tobii Promotions
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"This grenade was not the most successful" should be on your merch...or maybe a tagline? 😂
haha on Discord my status is 'grenade enthusiast' :D the number of times i've killed Artax with a friendly grenade :D
@@Citizen_Kate I mean...that sounds more like an Artax issue to me.
@@Citizen_Kate the grenade was so friendly, see, it just wanted to give Alex a hug!
I bought a Tobii a couple of months ago. Can't play without it now especially in a ship with a view like a Reliant. It's amazing
Yes totally! I love taking in the environment (sunsets/sunrises or beautiful locations) with the freedom to pan my head around with ease! it changes the whole feel of the game :)
I love my Tobii, you are absolutely right about spending time getting used to it. For me, finding the right combination and calibration of head movement to eye movement sensitivity was a bit of a trick. Especially if I have snacks nearby the computer. As my eyes search for the the crisps or my drink, I sometimes found myself in some harrowing experiences. Now, I dont think I could play without it.
Just before I was sent the Tobii Eye Tracker, my old TrackIR stopped working during a windows update - and yes - playing without some kind of headtracking now just feels incomplete :D
I am still finding the right level of headtracking to eye tracking with the Tobii, but its so easy to make the adjustments that even now it feels completely natural to use already :)
Love my Tobii but tbh I’ve largely disabled the eye tracking settings and just go for head tracking. I found my eyes wandered and it exaggerated movement too much. I used Trackir 5 before but hated that I had to wear the gear. It was just a great feeling of freedom when I started to use the Tobii. I only use the Tobii for inside vehicles though and prefer the mouse for on foot. Being able to disable it with a keystroke is very handy too should I need to.
@@Citizen_Kate I use mine for headtracking almost entirely now. The missile lock was a cool thing, but having to look at the locked target constantly made it more of a headache than it was worth. So you can use it for eye tracking on bigger screens. You need to move the tobii closer to you on a mount so a box or stand work well. I have an odyssey ark so had to figure a way to make it work on a monitor that is bigger than 32". So my tobii is about 9 inches away from the screen towards me that brings it just under the monitor visually. Tracks everything perfectly if I want it to now.
Congratulations on the sponsorship. Well deserved and earned
Nice bit of tech. Always have a a Toogle for tobii 5, its helpful on occasions. Firing missiles to targets not in front of you is fun
I got one for Christmas this year. Flying in SC with the Tobii is awesome.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how well it works - i was expecting it to feel a bit sluggish compared to the TrackIR i was used to but it was just as sharp - I no longer use TrackIR haha :D
Ty for the great insight and detailed gameplay review! Just placed my order following your link! keep up the great work ! o7
I've had a Tobii since release but haven't used it much admittedly. I really really should as I have neck issues and the eye tracking works amazing. I just need to use it and figure out how to make it work best for me. My one grip with it is the flashing LED's on it. I have sensitive eyes and can see the red flashing glow. So I disable it when not using it. I WISH it would have an option to be able to enable it when I went into SC and then disable when I leave it. Since I'm in SC before I remember to turn it on. ♥ But a great, fair, view of the device. It truly is a wonder of tech. And your right, it's super well made and dead easy to configure to your monitor.
I already have one so I had to stop myself of getting another one after watching your video :D
But it's really great if you don't like any extras like other IR trackers do, I never use a headset or anything like that so it's really awesome.
Can recommend +1
Definitely agree here - being free of anything extra to have on your head is a major plus point of the Tobii Eye Tracker :) Thanks for watching Sark :)
Just bought mine. Looking forward to using it!
This Game in VR will be amazing. I want to be in the business!
VR is useless...can't see my Virpils, what?
Got one myself and then gifted another to my brother last year :)
great break down! i love my tobii for combat. eye tracking only for target locking and minimal head movement just to keep ships in view and comfortable to look around
I have one, it is super easy, barely, inconvenience to setup. One of my favorites!
Congratulations, well deserved!
Nice video! I've been using Tobii for a couple of years now. I previously used TrackIR which was good, but Tobii is next level. Not having to wear something on your head or attached to your headset for TrackIR took some getting used to but once Tobii came out boasting not having to have any additional equipment to be attached to the user, is what sold me to give it a try.
Just know that if you get Tobii, you will have to personally tweak it to your own individual comfort levels. Everyone is different and will need to tune Tobii to what you want and expect when looking around. For example, I needed to turn the eye-tracking down to around 20-40% because the movement was just too fast. If you think about how fast your eyes move around versus your head, you will understand how hard it can be trying to focus on an object such as a push button in the game on your MFD. Point I'm trying to make here is to just tune the Tobii to your comfort levels like Kate mentioned in this video.
Also, remember in the SC options for head-tracking devices you can have the tracking to turn off automatically. For example, I have it turn off when I open my MobiGlass and sometimes in FPS while on foot. Personal preferences of mine.
So I came to watch this as I was wondering whether to buy a Tobii 5, you convinced me half way through - I never knew it was already integrated into the game controls - so I ended up buying one. Bloody hell it ain't cheap but I was just in time for the 15% off, so thanks for the great recommendation and your brilliant preview and demonstration Kate.
That aside I loved the combat part of the video, you make SC look like great fun - 5 ⭐'s
head tracking is a game changer, its required to be a good pilot. and ye my track ir broke recently as well, tobii is just built better.
Appreciate your input Sony, you're my go-to for advice on ships and piloting!
Another great video. Wouldn't have thought you would do so good with a product review as compared to org ops; but you did an excellent job.
Great add on to the game!😀 makes such a huge difference.
Dang it Katie, I ordered this exact addition to my set up 3 days before you posted the video. Oh well...maybe next time.
Great time for this video, trying to decide which one I want.
I know this was a sponsored video but having now played with both I can say that the Tobii system is much better. ;)
Just ordered mine!! Wooohooo
i feel like everyone who has this sleeps on the gaze target option, its not using the eye tracking to move your camera, it highlights the target triangle you look at allowing you to press your target lock button on the target you are looking at rather than having to cycle through.
I’ve had my Tobii for about 6 months now and can honestly say it’s the best piece of kit I’ve ever bought for the PC.
I bought one with your link! Hope u get the credit for showing me! Hope it's just as cool as you make it look 😊
I love my tobii ET5 I tried it in FPS very emersive but weird but in a dogfight I can't live without it
Great video. Thanks Kate! I have a Track IR as well, but the system is less than ideal. I like this idea, but it was actually expensive to 'try'.
Being on fire is the natural state of Drake ships. Either on fire or preparing to be on fire.
Absolutely love my Tobii!
Hi, thanks for great YT content.
For me it was the other way around. I used to use Tobii, but since i started playing SC, ETS2, MSFS 2020 and flying the Apache using the chaingun in DCS, I needed something else bc Tobii isn't that exact and trying to focus on a specific in game display, trying to make a text entry or typing in coordinates (sorry to say,) it went all to shit with Tobii. In my case I ordered the TrackIR with Pro clip and bam, problem solved.
That's so cool, i wish they supported eye tracking for larger displays. 🥺
I also like Tobii in FPS but I turn the centralisation setting up a bit whilst in FPS to help with hip fire.
And I also disable tracking when ADS.
I would add that the T1000’s will eventually break on you (I know someone who has used them for years but he’s repaired them a few times) so if you’re serious about flight games in general then go for VKB, the Gladiotor EVO’s for a more mid priced setup or the Gunfighter’s for the ultimate.
I have a VKB Gunfighter for my right stick and it has a customisable softer smooth centre with metal cams unlike the Gladiators which have a more hard centre with plastic cams. But the price difference is pretty huge so
Thanks for sharing about the eyesight, I wear contacts but this should deal with that as well, although getting the device past The Management may be a challenge, I'm already putting Bar Citizen under the radar, cos it may involve a substantial bar bill:-)
Have you tried head tracking with only a webcam and FOIP? I connected an iPhone 6s to elgato's camera software, enabled FOIP, but found the response rate of FOIP's head tracking to be rather slow. I didn't mind the de-synchronizations, but I did mind the 1 second input delay between moving my head and the camera rotating.
I've been thinking about buying the tobi for a while. Guess you've convinced me
You wont be disappointed it's a great system! there is a 15 percent sale right now too! and welcome to the world of head and eye tracking! ;)
@@Citizen_Kate I used your discount link of course. It's the closest to VR we're going to get for the foreseeable future
I need to get myself one, I have a track ir but now that I'm getting my wife into playing, I don't always use headphones because we are in the same room, and I don't always want to wear a hat while I'm playing lol. Also I never knew you could use head tracking while on foot, I'm going to have to try it out
This looks super cool. I wonder how it compares to head tracking devices, like sensors mounted on headphones.
I have a couple questions. Do you have to mount it on the bottom of the monitor and how does it mount to a curved monitor?
Can I ask what size your monitor is? You mention in the video you've had a screen bigger than their requirements. I've looked at Tobii a year ago myself. But the 30 inch max requirement for 21:9 screens (or 27 inch for 16:9) was always a thing, since i`m using a 34 inch 21:9 - i was actually kind of waiting for Tobii to release an updated version of the hardware to support larger screens cause ultra-wides are so commonplace now, especially if you want immersion (which players playing SC types of games do) - but so far no updated version and I might just get this right now.
I do miss head tracking, had a DIY tracker back in the ED days that just worked flawlessly. But it's gonna be nice not having anything strapped to your head for a change :)
I have tried the webcam based tracking on SC which is built in, i have a 60 FPS capable webcam. It works decently enough in a pinch, but the software is buggy and sometimes it just fails to "boot up" when you start SC.
I have a DELAN Clip and use open track for games not supported by Tobii. The clip was an upgrade but Tobii is my goto. The feeling of freedom when I just hop into a supported game with no hassle just can’t be beat for me. Add on top of that the breadth of capability and no lag that I’ve ever really noticed and for me it just can’t be beat.
We just need VR support now.
Great review, Katie. I was sold on it and was about to order it until I saw the price. I like the additional eye tracking but from what I saw it’s twice the price of TrackIR. Compared to TrackIR do you think the higher price tag is worth it with the features Tobii offers?
In my opinion yes the price is worth it - I mean this was a sponsored video so there will be a little bias but let me tell you what happened with TrackIR for me:
The software they use is not updated regularly at all. You only need to take a look at their release versions to see this. And when there is a problem wtth TrackIR it usually just crashes or fails to launch.
Following a windows update TrackIR just stopped working. I tried everything to get it working again, rolling back windows update, rolling back GPU drivers, reinstalling the software, complete wipe of all drivers and reinstalling . nothing would let the program launch successfully.
about a week later It cam back up. But that was a week where it just wouldn't have been an option for me to use it. This wasn't the first time i'd had this kind of problem either. Obviously with what I do this kind of interruption was unacceptable for me reliability wise - though normal gamers would maybe not consider it as bad of an issue
The build quality of the actual devices is a world apart too - i mentioned it in the video because the trackIR components are made of the cheapest feeling plastics. I feel like Tobii are more invested in delivering an end user experience where TrackIR is just about delivering a peripheral. I'm not even sure how invested NaturalPoint (TrackIR developer) is in maintaining the market for the trackIr anymore tbh. their forums are super old at this point. It costs more upfront for the Tobii yes - but if they are gonna be around to support you in future it seems like a smarter investment :)
Thanks for the detailed response. It seems like the extra cost is worth the better quality, support, and features. I’ll give it a try.
As soon as you pulled out the grenade i hid under my bed IRL. PTSD of running bunkers with you 😁
Thanks for the great vid Kate. I hope this is not too much but can you post your final setting for the tobii. Looking for settings for my tobii. Dont have much time to play and test it out extensively. Thanks again.
Tobii is great. For me head tracking is more dominant.
A thing about high eye sensitivity is that when I glance anywhere off screen - like.. 'wheres the right button dangit!' .. - I look back at the screen and have to reorient.
I dont think I can adjust to that.
I have it and it work great with SC, but I have one problem. When screen getting warm, applied two sided tape peels off.
Hi, Kate. I've been using the Tobii 5 for a while now, but like a great many others out there mine has come unstuck from the base of the monitor and is currently sitting on my desk. I'm trying to find the best substitute sticky/velcro tape to reapply the device. Have you had any experience with this? If so, can I ask which alternative tape did you use?
I had the same issue and got myself some 3M VHB double sided tape - very strong (and if it does fail, well I have several meters of the stuff)
*edit - It's not cheap but that is because it works.
really curious what size monitor you use. I have a 35 inch 21:9 and I am worried it wont work with my setup.
Great video. Would you mind telling me what Organization your with and if you are still taking on new people.
Tobii Eye Tracker is amazing, my gaming experience is way better now 😑👌🏼
Like what you and your group does just watch the game play through your videos tell I can get a new pc right now stuck play the newest Xbox for now .but love the different things group has been does star citizen is going to be a cool game to play .you all keep up the unique things you do.
I felt like your shots were off at 09:33 because you were looking at your eye tracking instead of where your hip-fire aim would normally be.
Yes i think with the bubble being so visible it definitely was distracting - I will do another video soon with a much milder (like mostly transparent) bubble to show the difference :)
There also the benefit of gaze targeting in SC with the Eyetracker
I love mine , although It could do with coming down in price a bit .. works great with glasses as well . : ))
Some sort of head tracking will be next hardware purchase. After that I'll be looking at a HOSAS setup.
I look forward to your videos like most people are waiting on the newest episode of Last of Us right now. Thanks for the info on Tobi! Would you be willing to do a setup video? It would be interesting to see wha sticks you run.
How do you deal with looking (with head) off screen, doesn't that ruin the immersion? ;-)
Due to having tremors, using duel T16KMs has been good (once I got a pair without the Yaw defect), plus having all the buttons helps a lot.
I'm a bit late for the contest. ;-D
Also, I prefer HOTAS setup over Duel Stick but the Throttle on the HOTAS must have a forward facing mini stick (Xbox style analog stick) . I use that for strafing up/down and side to side. . Much better and more responsive than dual stick and you end up with throttle and 2nd stick (tiny one)
That’s exactly what I am using! I use the Thrustmaster 16000m. It also also has analogue „pedals“ in the back I can use to roll.
I am not totally satisfied with this throttle due to quality issues. What do you use? How do you roll?
Retaliator can 1 shot those Hammeheads it is best for beacons with size 9 torps.. you can also do critical beacons and fire 4-6 torps on an IDRIS. I did a critical beacon and killed an IDRIS with Retaliator, 4 torps fired together and 2 turrets manned.
So are you using multiple monitors for this to work as far as head tracking goes?
I do use two monitors yes - usually on my second i have discord up to talk to people etc
Okay that makes sense just was curious if you had one of those huge setups you see on r/starcitizen. Thank you!
See Katie all of Alpha gives me a hard time for flying the Bucc... But I also love the Bucc as well. So nextime I'm going to show the rest of our raptors that little clip ahahaha.
I got a tobii last year on a sale, set it up and never got it to work right. in the end it became an expensive facial login for windows. I'll dig it out again and play with it again. It looks good when you do it, not like a drunken chicken waddling around.
Katie, I can definitely see how eye tracking can make our gaming experience more immersive, however, the rapid point of view movement in your video made me feel quite nauseous, so I could not finish watching it. Thank you for sharing with us, what this technology brings to gaming.
I had a Tobii version 1 for Elite Dangerous and loved it, but it doesn't work on Windows 11 so I've been hasitant to buy a new one. Tempted though :)
The real game-changer is eye-controlled gimbals, rather than eye-controlled camera.
Sold!
I think you'll be pleased by it! It's a great system :)
Damn, I bought it through Kate. It arrived yesterday and I can't get it to work in SC. It works in other games but not SC. Contacted Tobii and they're also stumped. Rep did say, "Star Citizen it is not yet an official release of the game." Ah don't pull that stuff guy.
"i'm on fire..." It's a Drake ship, this is a feature, not a bug.
How can I get it to properly work 32:9?
so i just bought one i hope it goes welol.
I'm buying one
Personally, I had to turn off eyetracking in SC. Sadly. The combination of wearing glasses and sitting too far away from the monitor it's mounted on doesn't lend itself to precision eyetracking. Still works well for headtracking though.
Edit: to remove latency, I did need to tweak a few settings for tobii.
ooh yeah I should have mentioned in the video that I am sitting about 40cm from the screen - For me with my glasses the eye tracking works well, but I can totally see how different distances could affect that - thanks for pointing this out. For head tracking though you are absolutely right - totally solid :)
Heh, "game head". I'M ALL IN!
Legit Maximum Immersion, I love mine
How is it performing with glasses?
Been using one for a while. Due to my last computer breaking on me, I currently am not using my Tobii for a bit, and it feels so weird.
I know exactly what you mean! Playing without head tracking when you are used to it is like losing a limb or somethIng. like a fundamental part of the game is missing :D
@@Citizen_Kate for sure. I would argue that eye tracking in ships especially is necessary. I bet two pilots of equal skill, the one with tracking would win.
I found that eye tracking was so much easier to use for looking at MFDs than head tracking alone. I am still playing around with the balance between head tracking and eye tracking but I can see how you would be right because Eye tracking is much easier to use quickly!
@@Citizen_Kate Not to mention your ability to visually look up, left and right to visually identify targets and track their movement. This is even more important for a turret gunner.
Also formation flying. Being able to visually keep track of your wingman is a bit easier than just guessing.
mmh, I use a combination of my phone with droidcam (using a USB connection) as webcam, AITracker running on my computer and opentrack. It is lagging a bit but everything is openscource or has a free version (droidcam), so it doesn't cost anything. Instead of the open source AITrack one can use smoothTrack, it is an app for the phone instead and thus doesn't hog any resources of the PC, but costs a small fee. Theoretically SC works with a webcam/droidcam alone, but I couldn't get it to work. AITrack is a bit slow and there is a noticable input lag so I would love to work without it, but I won't have the money for Tobii anytime soon.
Coming from a longtime TIR user, how susceptible is the Tobii to background light/reflection/ir interference? That has always been my #1 issue with TIR.
I knwo the problem you mean - i've used Tobii in both dark conditions and light conditions too during daytime - not had any issues yet. i've had the curtains drawn though so not sure if like direct sunlight or someithng would have any effect
@@Citizen_Kate Thanks. My house has enormous glass area (and I live in the tropics) so background light interference is an ever-present difficulty during daytime hours. I'd love to hear from anyone who uses this in a bright environment.
"the box is nice" "it's made of metal" lmao
showing your eye moment give me a better way to feel how you play the game ,you should keep it with a lower setting(smaller circle?) in new videos
Cant download the software or get it to stay open
I really want one, but its just a little bit expensive
I was going to buy it at 15% off but when I click on your link, it's the same price as regular &259
Offer ended March 6th like I said in the video
@@Citizen_Kate oh
Well excuse me
Welcome to the future.
The Tobii 5 is a cool device if you can afford it.The short USB cable is btw. really nice if you have a USB hub in your monitor or on the table.
There is also one cool feature missing in the video I think and that is the ability to lock on targets, you are looking at. Can't do that with Track IR. 😉
The setup can take quiet a while to make it feel really perfect for you but I also don't wanna miss it anymore.
Ordered one, goddamnit Kate you make me spend more money than Mrs Caldosan 😉
haha well let me be the first to congratulate you on joining the head tracking and eye tracking world! :) You wont be disappointed its such a good system and so easy to get going with!
Does anyone have experience with the Tobii and using it on a 34" ultrawide? I know their specs say up to 30" 21:9
I have it for awhile, but I can't get used to it. It always messes with my sense of direction.
Do you use it on foot and in the cockpit, or just while flying? I found that there was some initial adjustment when I was getting used to head tracking (and now a little more when getting used to eye tracking) but that the 'auto centering' on the tobii does a pretty good job of bringing everything back to the right direction - I did find getting a good deadzone for 'position' axis was helpful for cockpit tracking too - these options are all in the Star Citizen menu too which is super helpful :)
VKB should send you a pair of sticks now.
Tobii Eye Tracker 5 - ultra widescreen monitor?
ive got mine but it didnt work on star citizen i tried everything :(
Sadly the Tobii Eye Tracer 5 doesn't work on Linux. I used to have one, loved it, but had to sell it because the lack of interest of the company supporting any platform other than Windows. For now, the 240Hz Monkey King from Grass Monkey Simulation works like a charm on both platforms and it's like TrackIR but on steroids.
I could not for the life of me get trackir nor tobii to work. I ended up returning it.
I'm in the middle of developing an arduino based head tracker so people can get a similar experience for just 25 bucks. Tobii is great but the crazy price difference just for the eye functionality is not worth to me
Damn it's not cheap. I really want one though.
Isn't really just an upgrade to your latest eye tracker?
The power to aim with my eyes only is at the palm of my wallet…..
Cool tech but vr would be the most immersion
Not to discredit their awesome tech but for the niche usecase and that price I'd have hoped it would fulfill the basic need of a webcam as well. The Tobii 5 will work with windows on face login but wont let you use it as a webcam or do face tracking. Strangely enough I scoured the internet and forums to get a simple yes/no to face tracking and couldn't get a concrete answer on over an hour of searching. I contacted their support and their answer was it did not currently support it. This still doesn't answer if it will support it in the future. They claim to have a high resolution and sensitive camera but whether you will be able to use it independently of its other active functions is unknown. Their lack of transparency lost them my money, which i may have spent regardless of their answer if they were just clear with me.