Gavin vs Vitalik, "Craig wright is probably not Satoshi" Mic drop moment
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- Gavin Andresen explains why he thinks Craig Wright is Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto at Consensus 2016. Vitalik Buterin interjects with a smackdown.
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Word is Vitalik paid his brain 10K gas fees to speak those lines.
LMAO 😂
Omg golden lol
OMG that is the best comment ever!
Brooooo lmao
Vitalik sounds stupid here. He should have compassion and reason why Craig might not have wanted to be identified as the creator. Look at where Bitcoin/ ecosystem is today and where it will be.
Vitalik: I'm here solve world problems, so lets quickly solve this stupid problem
go ada fck vitalik
Swag...
What's this whole thing about Craig trying to prove he's Satoshi anyway wtf - it doesn't change anything, help build and move and
Just how to send 0.01 over ethereum
Vitalik visited earth for this interview after taking care of some business on Saturn
ha
You mean after his dad made Ethereum from a fork of BTC
lollllllll vitamin is so cool
Lol
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Dude just got REKT like he went 100x on BitMex.
🤣
hahahahahahha
😬😬😬😬😹
hahahaha I love how Vitalik laughs to himself at the end. It's the reaction from making Gavin look like a fool. So epic.
So true. Hilarious!
so cuteee!!! isnt he...the way he laughed lolllll
The only fools are you and Vitalik and anyone who agrees with his bullshit!
I know right lol
He seems like a great person altogether, definitely someone who could hold a decent conversation
He is Satoshi.
I don't think I've ever witnessed a nerd getting high on high own nerd-dom.
I love how Vitalink genuinely can't stop laughing at the end...
Because he is Satoshi.
@@diocre7446 no hes not satoshi was born in the 70s
Good tip: look at the gas fees and u will stop laughing very quickly...always works for me
@@itsKNR i start crying
As someone who deals with dishonest people all day, one thing is clear: the more convoluted the answer to a question, the less likely it is to be truthful.
Isn’t it possible that he is both lying to the public about why he hasnt provided proof and he actually is satoshi though?? The thing most people seem to miss is there’s not a lot of personal reasons why he would want to prove he’s satoshi to the general public beyond ego.
I think many people automatically assume satoshi would want credit for his invention when it’s pretty clear from the beginning that the real satoshi wasn’t interested at all in notoriety and actually valued anonymity over almost everything.
@@mattdecker8724 it's possible, but there's no reason to believe it is the case.
@@mattdecker8724 I am non of these people. I did Harold and the team a favor they named me satoshi to protect me from all of you. Jan 3 at 5:49 am the same night I meet them they the team did all the writing.
@@mattdecker8724 Then you know I wouldn't lie I'm 44 year's old now .
@@seanoconnor8138 There actually are some reasons, although I wouldn’t disagree if you said they aren’t compelling. Craig Wright was certainly involved with bitcoin from close to the very beginning and almost no one disputes that so saying there’s NO reason is a bit disingenuous I think.
0:00 Vitalik's brain was compiling the thought
1:03 The brain executes at a top speed in a milli sec
BSV could have done it quicker and with lower fees
@@Lewythefly yet its value drops by the days, i remember it being 2% of bitcoin once, now it's 10% of that lmao
Introverted trait
Vitalik could be infinitely more awkward and stilted, and yet he'd still be the most awesome person in the room.
no
For the woke
yup, you are correct
The fiat kalyug paradigm, where scammers are glorified as 'awesome'
vitaliks laugher comes from another dimension, probably the hell dimension...
LOL
It's that laugh you do when you drop a silent fart...
Sit in wait until someone comments "oh who farted?" 1:10
skolnick from Revenge of the nerds
@[-invalid key-] You made my day bruddah bahahahahahahaha
Get wit it
The DIP dimension
Vitalik is awesome-
1:14 good stuff. However, ETH is very different than BTC. In this same vein the inventing boosters would probably not change the way they look at the world because of blockchains.
not really
Vitalik is long overdue a thug life compilation
Whatever Craig did - he pumped the fuk out of btc - so thanks - he also kept the satoshi mystery alive
Remember he never went public until they shined the spotlight. With his identity under the microscope the best way to keep the government/public of his tracks was not to deny but to confirm in a secretive and "noisy" fashion. It is clear that Satoshi values his privacy, so if this was him, he played the best hand he could have given the cards dealt. Maths, economics, computing and psychology. Vitalik - "there are only 2 options" - buterin with his 260 IQ fails psychology 101.
And Vitalik with the 'What are these hands supposed to do?" pose again. I admire this dude though.
Satoshi clearly said he is working on better things and left the project
Why would he come back again and claim he is satoshi ?
Ofc Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto
The word bloody is used by brits and australians...and think ..would a USA CITIZEN QUOTE THE LONDOM TIMES for the first block...would a us person not use new york time...wall street journal or west coast paper...only a brit or elder australian would read or use the british newspaper.....think
@@mikedemike5393 oh wow a British person therefore this proves it was Craig Wright since he is the only British person alive! Amazing!
@@nathantschappler9191 funny thing is Satoshi is actually a man named John from Leeds. lol
@@daleHarrison93 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well Craig didn’t come back. He was outed by a journalist through Wired. Gavin the guy on stage was the head of Bitcoin foundation and ran the GitHub for Bitcoin and said Craig proved to him he is. That’s pretty powerful.
So fake Satoshi Craig Wright wants privacy so much that he gets up on stage....? hmm....
Yea. Fuckers are a fraud
Precisely. Even without ever having heard of what a bitcoin is, someone with common sense could debunk craig wright for what he is... a fraud. The real creator of bitcoin wanted to remain anonymous, hence he/she/they used the alias 'Satoshi Nakamoto'... This idiot craig is singing and dancing that he's the real satoshi... can't people see the contradiction? The more the fucker claims to be satoshi, the more certainty that he is NOT satoshi.
would you have stepped forward if you were satoshi...
@@mranderson3277 well debunk the australian tax office who recorded in audit that he paid for and purchased domain name bitcoin.org in 2008 with his own credit card....that is on record in 2008...before bitcoin was released.
@@mranderson3277 would he not suffer paranoia that the real satoshi might emerge...and what gain has he to gain...
It’s Hal Finney, I really don’t understand why we are still doubting. His neighbor was called like that, he designed an early version of the POW, he was the first person to recieve a Bitcoin trsanction, he had a long past in the cryptography world and unfortunately he suffered from ELA and died which explains why Satoshi disappeared. (Interestingly when he disappeared, Hal started to suffer from ELA) but yes let’s believe it was an arrogant business man who can’t prove is him even if he takes the freedom to claim so.
Satoshi disappeared 3 year before Finney died, and Finney was working right up until his death.
Satoshi disappear just when Hal started to suffer from ELA, and indeed he worked from time to time later ( when he had some bright moments) on a system to make safer the Bitcoin wallets until his death, which is also quite significative. If I knew I was going to die, I would dedicate my last years to something I’m personally attached to, and not a random project I helped.
But bitcoin isn't a "random project". If Finney was Satoshi, you could be damn sure he'd be putting every last drop of work into securing the existence of bitcoin for centuries to come, and not focusing on wallets.
Back then the security of Bitcoin wallets was actually the main problem and even today even though we have more options (the bitcoin network is virtually perfect in terms of security so there is no need for improvements in that sense). Back then was a priority, but it seems you are one of those that will find any kind of arguments to not recognize how “close” he was of Satoshi. If I had ELA and I was going to die, I wouldn’t had spent my last bright moments marking safer wallets for a project that I just helped, even less knowing his long background in many projects for tech companies. To me some people enjoy the mistery, and others just want it to be a mistery so it opens the possibility for them to be him and that gives them popularity, like this business man pretending it was him. To me with everything we know about Hal and all proves that point to him, it is ridiculous to doubt like we do it, and I bet whatever you want that as long as Hal is cryogenized, we will never ever hear from Satoshi.
I just really don't think if Satoshi was dying, he'd focus on a problem lots of other people could solve. I believe he'd be taking care of his baby. As well as this I don't think the real Satoshi would go through the effort of remaining anonymous just to be discovered so easily. I will say Finney is probably the closest match to Satoshi, but I really don't believe it's him. Who knows, with the velocity bitcoin is traveling at, we may get more clues or answers to his identity.
Real life Sherlock moment : 'When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, must be the truth'
His laugh kills me lol
ahahah his laugh.. legendary
Fuck yeah. I love it when people on the spectrum learn to assimilate. It makes it seem like they have a super power. Which, in certain contexts, he absolutely does.
Strange how the author of this video entitles it "Craig wright is probably not Satoshi", instead of 'Solid evidence from crypto expert that Satoshi is actually Craig Wright'. Very interesting indeed!
Vitalik should do an interpretative dance to tell that story, would be hilarious.
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Vitalik owning Gavin and Craig in one swoop. I love it.
@Thomas Hägg if satoshi wanted to be proven privately not publicly, why so much publicity?
@@thevoid7272 you nailed it!
Reminds me the line from unusual suspect: The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
vitalik is just genius
Remember he never went public until they shined the spotlight. With his identity under the microscope the best way to keep the government/public of his tracks was not to deny but to confirm in a secretive and "noisy" fashion. It is clear that Satoshi values his privacy, so if this was him, he played the best hand he could have given the cards dealt. Maths, economics, computing and psychology. Vitalik - "there are only 2 options" - buterin with his 260 IQ fails psychology 101.
understatement of the century
That was pretty much just common sense.
Actually it proves vitalik is a moron...signaling theory proves nothing. There were about 1.1 million reasons not to come forward. Not including an agreement with kleiman. Just cause he doesn't want to prove it means nothing. What a bunch of clowns. The proof was gavin seeing the messages signed with the first bitcoin keys. If that doesn't convince you then you have no clue about the history of bitcoin and should just admit you are a shill for vitalik.
@@mikelujanable loool, these comments are too much. At the core value of bitcoin is Verify not trust. If Wright cannot follow is own reason to make bitcoin, clearly not the creator.
Gavin wasn't conned. He knows who Satoshi is and chooses to protect his identity by falsely saying Craig is Satoshi.
A bit of a dick move then, claiming him to be someone else.
Adam Back is Satoshi
@@chrismale9976 actually I'm 44 year's old and from California. I left because my wife was dying and I had to take care of her
@@tensevo yeah you can say that again.
I'm not impressed!
CSW = Satoshi, that is the real mic drop.
I swear I could hear Scooby Doo laughing in the crowd.
I have a conspiracy theory that Craig Wright and his shadowy circle of friends are just trying to agitate the REAL Satoshi out of hiding for whatever their nasty agenda truly is against him.
Adam Back is to smart to fall for that lol. He is Satoshi it's common knowledge
@@chrismale9976 I'm Satoshi. It's common knowledge. Wut
After seeing how BSV is the real bitcoin I’m 100% convinced Craig is definitely Satoshi
This was so perfect... you have two mins... he only needed like 45 secs
I go through life always reading what (I judge to be) intelligent people write, and from the moment I started iv always raised the bar, when I came across someone who seemed to be on another level i started following their work and whoever they referenced, this has happened with Vitalik, a vast majority of the previous thinkers who I was following for so long PALE in comparison to the force of intellect that is Vitalik.
I feel utterly plebeian when I consume his work, it has humbled me and that's a good thing for my development.
Vitalik sounds like the episode of Man Seeking Woman where Josh takes the programming class, and all the classmates are aliens.
Well played Craig W. Well played. I’d have done it the same way.
As long as you have no followup questions, I am Satoshi!
In the way where you lie and scam and don't have access to billions of dollar?
One must consider the outcome of a definitive revelation. I think we would all agree the creator of BTC wanted anonymity.
THE ALIENS... im drunk I CAN TYPE WATEVA!... so yeah
man, vitalik is super super genius..
This has aged very well!
Ahsanul Khan Still aging well!
@@HelloTheNamesJeremy ageing even better still
@@dalelinney8437still aging in 2024. Satoshi could literally be anyone in the world, except for Craig Wright.
WoW, talk about been OWNED!
It's merely the audience cheering that gives one the feeling of being
"owned", not the level of Vitalik's argument. His point (which is trivial
and others told it way before him) will NOT be valid if there is
something hidden here that we don't know (but maybe Gavin does). Don't
be so quick to join the cheering crowd.
IE: Craig can't take the simple, public route because it would open him up to hundreds of millions in back taxes according to the laws of his home nation... hardly a trivial reason to only sign a Tx in front of a select few...
...also is the assertion that Craig DIDN'T sign a Tx in front of Gavin, that Gavin was fooled, or that Gavin is lying? Because he'd be hard to fool in that regard and he doesn't seem like he's lying (what does he have to gain by doing so?)
Gavin gets fooled, and it does seem like he is trying to convince himself as he convinces others.
Jordan I dont see evidence that he was fooled. Craig Wright refusing to publicaly prove he is Satoshi doesnt mean he hasnt privately proved it to anyone.
I'm talking about about a couple of situations involving core access. He is somewhat naive, historically speaking.
Also, there is plenty of evidence, from everything in the back story, CW's dodginess and back-peddling (as well as increase in demands of "conditions" in which he gives proof), all down to the look of uncertainty of Gavin's face as he's trying to sell CW as Satoshi. Many many tells of a conartist at play, but I do believe you meant to say that you don't see "proof".
Of course you'd have a hard time proving that I am not Satoshi.
Exactly.
When its hard to laugh by overkilling it 😂
vitalik will begrudgingly eat his words
Here we are in 2022, almost 6 years later and Craig still BSing.
"Craig is Satoshi" lol of course. And he doesn't even have the private key.
By that logic, if I find your private key, I'm literally you, right?
@@stablecoinmaxii know that u r the satoshi nakamoto 🎉
Man Vitalik is Sheldon Cooper smart! Killing the game!
i love vitalik. may God protect him.
1:45 dude goes full nerd
Lol BSV blockchain is smoking Ethereum in terms of ability and performance....I think Craig Wright is having the last laugh.
The giggling at the end made me lol haha. Is the full debate up anywhere?
I come back periodically to watch this video and re-like it
I can't for the life of me work out why Gavin would have said this. It's so obviously not Craig Wright, for a million other reasons besides the most obvious being the lack of concrete proof via private keys.
I don't get why people aren't even considering possible alternative theories.. eg. that he wants to come out as Satoshi but doing so could send him to prison due to his dealings with the tax man, obtaining government grants etc.
?
And why do he comes out as satoshi in first place?, satoshi abandoned the project for other projects, then, do he want to return to bitcoin saying he is really craig wright?,
Craig did it to get investment for his new project called bitcoin cash or bsv, im not sure the name.
Fu## mafia tax g#y bit##
Sound logic but wrong conclusion because Vitalik starts with the wrong assumption. No matter how good your logic is. If garbage in, then garbage out.
It reminds the "Amadeus" movie scene, when Salieri tried to impress the King by showing him his last composition on the piano. Then, a young and insolent Mozart comes in to the room , he has already memorized the whole Salieri's work, he starts playing it on the piano, doing the original piece and lot improvised spectacular variations and arrangements created by his genious brain. Everybody in the room was overwhelming after Mozart's performance.
Vitalik is the Mozart of this era.
Here's the scene : th-cam.com/video/-ciFTP_KRy4/w-d-xo.html
I keep expecting Vitalik to pull out a blueprint for a laser blaster, like one of those super nerds from the Simpsons. I mean, is he the epitome of high-functioning nerd or what?
Newsflash:
Vitalink's probabilities are as good as ETH scaling
;-)
I wouldn't put my money on it... just saying, but if you do, go ahead, its your money.
uhm, what now that it reached 4k usd? lol
Well, actually if you dig deeper craig did choose the more difficult route. If you wanted to make easy money, you would just make a scam ICO. But instead Craig claimed to be Satoshi while 99% of the crypto world hated him, and spent the last 5 years spending millions on lawsuits. Also Vitalik isnt that wise. It's not that hard to figure out how to add data to a block chain. And he also failed to scale it. And ethereum will never scale period.
Btc also can't scale, that's why so many people are using SOL now, but if Craig was Satoshi he could very easily prove it, instead of spending millions in court.
@@Trustmeimnotadoctor you are correct btc can't scale
However bitcoin can
Your problem is you think btc is bitcoin and it isnt.
Why didnt he just ask him to send him $5 of btc from a satoshi address. Simple.
He did and answer was no... It would prove to the world he's alive and it would initiate a legal, taxes and hostage manhunt for his head that he wants to avoid...
He didn’t come out, Wired magazine ousted Craig. It’s so weird the crypto community doesn’t do the slightest of research themselves, just take internet at face value
@@bolgert911 he was doxxed...someone was hunting him...besides mortal fear of the agencies appearing in your face with jail time being a serious consequence...also the cypher geeks are not a passive organisation of individuals...they are like the com[puter version of antifa...threats to wife and children...make it a simple case of leave doubt as a life insurance.
@@Matt-cl4mp In australia you do...my son recently paid 500k to aust tax office,,,,he had to sell BTC while it was low to meet his commitment...ATO wants capital gains on all transactions...ie...if you sell LTC for BTC they want 40% if day trading...under one year.....and if you hold for longer then one year you pay 25%.....so if you trade ARK for BTC they want you to calculate dollar gain of transaction and pay tax on that even before you convert to DOLLAR..
AND ONE BIG REASON THEY CLASS btc AS A ASSET IS BECAUSE OF CRAIG STEVEN WRIGHT....he would have had to sell 280k btc to pay off his debt to them....
@@mikedemike5393 again, why do he comes public saying that he is satishi nakamoto?, when the media say it, he denied it, then he thought in a oportunity and becomes public and autoproclamated as satoshi, why?, invest for bitcoin cash and bsv, NEW bitcoin, new bussiness, a strategy.
when I first came into the space. Vitalik convinced me Craig is full of shit. After 5 years in the space, BSV convinced me Vitalik is full of shit. BSV is just better. Craig is the misunderstood genius.
I had to scroll a bit to find a BSV believer. So please share, why do you believe Craig?
@@bendaniel6887 too many reasons mate. for starter, u can look up the channel "Theory of Bitcoin" where Craig explain everything about Bitcoin. the man has more knowledge than everyone in the space
@@tman_music There is a lot of smart people inside crypto and out but that alone is not enough. If he builds his credibility by claiming to be Satoshi yet doesn't prove it when he could, something is fundamentally wrong.
@@bendaniel6887 obviously my short comment on youtube cannot convince u this huge fact. if u wanna dive deeper u can look at Kevin Healy's video on why he believe Craig is Satoshi and also recently a video by Ryan X Charles. For me, earlier this year I fell for the Faketoshi narrative as well but after using the apps on BSV for a few months, i'm fully convinced this is how Bitcoin should be.
Bro.. wld u suggest buying BSV and how many do u hav??
Vitalik is like the student that didn’t get Bitcoin concept on Satoshi class. Interrupting Gavin, and saying that Craig is not Satoshi because he didn’t get the CONCEPT of Identification will prove ownership. Craig is Satoshi
and you're the student too stupid to realize you're stupid
Lol, stop crying. Vitalik destroyed your theory in 15 seconds.
In other words (normal person speak): Craig has a very easy way to make all this speculation end and prove he is Satoshi, but he refuses to do it. That's why he isn't Satoshi.
He showed his private keys to a few select individuals already. He will not show it publicly, as he clearly stated he does not want keys to prove ownership, otherwise anyone holding your keys can claim to be you and your sol in getting those coins back.
CW is 100% satoshi. All you need to do is go through the court documents in the current civil suit down in Miami
Sorry, that doesn't prove anything. Since both the prosecution and defense (for different reasons) claim that CW is Satoshi, the court simply proceeds assuming that is the case. Nothing to see there, folks.
All you need to do to proove that you are Satoshi, is using Satoshi private keys.
Wright can't do it, because he's not Satoshi. Fuck him.
@@tdhowardLondon Court says Craig Wright is definitively not Satoshi. Could be anyone else tho.
He proved it to Gavin. Did you not listen vitalik?
0:29 min, he makes a micro expression with his troath by saying that Faketoshi is Satoshi (lying)
I'm so happy now that I am not the only one who noticed that. When I saw this the first time, my intuition told me that he is lying.
@@zerberus1097 But what incentive would he have to lie about it? To protect the real Satoshi by spreading disinfo?
@@EmilyRose0 There is a much deeper reason for that. But Gavin himself said, that he "could have been bamboozled" (although I don't think that he believed that Craig is Satoshi in the first place). If you have followed the blocksize debate a few years ago, you probably know that Craig Wright was someone who is known to have wanted a larger blocksize. It makes sense that Gavin named someone else as Satoshi, because he wanted to win community support over the blocksize. Btw, Bitcoin core also revoked Gavin's commit access after he named Craig Wright as Satoshi.
My gut feeling also tells me that Craig isn't Satoshi. Craig is emotional and snaps as soon as someone denies that he is Satoshi. Satoshi's posts on the cryptography mailing list were written with deliberation whereas Craig insults people in a childish way (Richard Heart for example).
was this before Vitalik rugpulled ETH or after?
*_1_* Vitalik Buterin rocks. He should be on IOTA’s Advisory Board.
*_2_* As to Nakamoto’s identity, here are two hints:
_He who thinks he knows, doesn't know. He who knows that he doesn't know, knows._ ―Joseph Campbell
_A Hungarian is someone who enters a revolving door behind you and comes out of it ahead of you._ -European Joke
💕 ☮ 🌎 🌌
And Gavin who actually knows that Adam Back, the turned to the dark-side CEO of blockstream, is the actual satoshi did not disagree with vitalik.
I take it from the comments that most people miss Vitalik's point. Also, the idea that Wright tells a news reporter he is the bitcoin creator and shows a select few people his proof smacks of a good old fashioned con-job - that's how cult leaders work. The argument that he does not advertise it to avoid taxes is weakened by announcing this to the news and by allowing the select few to broadcast his claim.
The idea that Satoshi, who valued anonymity, now values validation and recognition (in the form of Wright) is difficult to reconcile and an odd psychological conundrum at the least. If anything it paints Wright in a poor mental state, one that leads me to feel that if he were Satoshi we should say "So long and thanks for all the fish".
What's aged so well about this is how CW is now suing for "his" Bitcoin.
Legend has it Craig stole those keys from Paul Le Roux.
Brilliant & independent Vitalik vs. Bitcoin Bullshitters.
Love this.
I love that alien. He's one of our most brilliant mind.
Vitalik is great.
The video will age very poorly. Craig is obviously Satoshi. Once the court settles the lawsuit, it will become hard to deny this. Then you have a situation, where craig is cancelled from crypto community and his other currency he back Bitcoin SV is no longer listed on all the major exchanges. I think more and more people will start speaking up on craig behalf.
Haha. Destroyed.
Such a solid and original argument lol
powerful Vitalik! sorry Gavin CIA Andresen
Vitalik just PWNED the CIA in plain sight
The real person who is the inventor of the bitcoin would want to be totally anonymous & Craig just enjoying the fame for now.
*Disclaimer: this is an opinion post*
I have interacted personally with Dr Craig Wright in professional networks and in my personal opinion I have no doubt that he is indeed Satoshi Nakamoto. He is a very approachable person for discussing academic ideas. The style of his other academic long writings freely available at SSRN fits the pattern of the anonymous Bitcoin paper ( e.g. use of references, sentence formation style, coherence and readability of the papers). Legally , there are too many formal and circumstantial evidences that makes it hard not to support Dr Wright's claims. The common pattern I have observed for those who are opposing the claims, either have indirectly vested interest, or some pseudo-intellectual logic that looks great only on twitter posts.
Life is not like a iron-man movie, and we have to accept a cold fact that Dr Wright do not have any moral obligation to accept anything in public. It will be just like "shiba-inu-getting-listed-in-Robinhood" incident. In the long run, it just won't matter.
Lol
The amount of stored and potential value at stake makes everyone in the debate completely biased.
Someone do a thug life version of this, Vitalik is str8 savage
Vitaliks logic is flawed. He assumes Craig by only showing himself to a few is asking everyone to believe the reports of a few. Craig likely wanted only those he showed to know about him or he would have come out publicly at the start or thereafter.
I would be more inclined to believe that Vitalik is Satoshi than Craig Wright😂
Ahahah even Donald Trump makes a better Satoshi than Wright bullshit
Amazing vision Vitalik. My mining farm is only mining Etherum because i belive in your project :)
Isn't that the dude from Deliverance?
Vitalik farked up his game theory with an incorrect assumption. If Bruce Wayne did not want to choose clear signal theory to publicly prove that he was Batman but wanted a confirmation thru a trusted messenger then that's justified to protect the private functions of Bruce Wayne and enterprises and family. Choosing indirect signaling is correct strategy for many reasons.
Vitalik and many Satoshi hunters are not seeing the big picture.
Not sure who SN is, could be Craig. Vitalik's comment here, is simply just conjecture, not a micdrop or factual.
Wright is a liar.
Imagine the people behind Satoshi nickname, disappering when CIA make studies about Bitcoin 10 years ago... And then, showing their face for «glory»? Stupid. Wright is a fucking scam
I rarely agree with Vitalik, but holy shit thank god someone said it.
Craig is a fraud and the reason that is so obvious is he danced around proving something that if he was really Satoshi he could have proved it in 10 seconds.
Yeah, for you it is easy to say.
Craig doesn't care whether you believe him or not. Why would he show you? Are you super important or something?
It's not about me being important it's about the fact that if he wasn't lying, it would be easy to prove to the public.
Craig is the one who made the claim about being Satoshi. If he doesn't want to prove it then he's no more credible than me saying I'm Satoshi but refusing to prove it.
He did prove it. he just didn't prove it to you.
Michael P Can you prove that he proved it?
Why are they clapping? What he said was ridiculous.
Bitcoin and Ethereum creators sit together... this is a golden moment
There is no bitcoin creator there...
I’m sorry you were confused Butters
Man, Vitalik is such an amazing character. Vitalik, if you ever read this, I love you man. Keep up the great work!
and after all, owning the private key of the first block doesn't prove he's satoshi, it just proves he knows the private key of the first block :-)
yes, but that wasn't even the case because the signature proof he provided publicly was proven to be fraudulent (he did not use the private key of the first block).
SAL agreed. To me the best candidate is Nick Szabo, even Gavin Andresen seems quite fit for the role (he misteriously inherited the project and the lead from Satoshi himself) :-) anyway, Vitalik is right, just provide a sound proof without all that drama and unnecessary noise
I also believe Hal Finny is an extremely likely contender too (He received the first ever bitcoin transaction from Satoshi -- but whose to say he didn't send it to himself :P)
Some needs to make a Thug Life video on this !!!!!
Was the signed message verified on Craig's computer? If so it was definitely tampered with. If not this dude is lying through is teeth.
Unfortunately, humans do not behave according to signaling or game theory by default. Sometimes they do. Most of time they don't. They take in consideration the emotional and social consequences of their actions. Otherwise, traditional economists would already be rich and we wouldn't need the field of behavioral economics to explain why they are more wrong than right.
If we have not noticed Craig Wright does not appear to be a man seeking fame or profit.
Whats the name of the planet Vitalik is from? I wish I could visit someday
true.
"Crypton", get it?
actually craig has no advantage to prove he is satoshi. the best is to hint, and uf.necessary later say one was joking
He’s a weird kinda genius. I love it.
Then again. All genius is weird.