I’m glad you didn’t set too low a price point for your recommendations. Too many of these “entry level” lists seem to think that nobody will pay more than $100 for a film camera. For manual focusing, I don’t think there is a better viewfinder than the OM-1/OM-2 series. For overall viewfinder experience, I think the FE/FE2 take the prize for best viewfinder. I would add the Olympus OM-2 and 2n to your list. They are fabulous cameras and can be had for well under $250 in excellent condition.
Here in the UK, for 35mm I'd suggest the Minolta X300, Yashica FXD Quartz, Nikon FG and the Pentax K1000. All use common LR44 batteries. The former DDR cameras by Praktica are dirt cheap, strong, reliable and have fabulous lenses. For medium format at a really low price point, Zeiss Ikon Nettar folders. Post war versions with an f/4.5 Novar lens are really cheap and produce superb images. Agfa Isolette folders are also good, but Zeiss Ikon have better bellows which are less likely to have holes in them. I base all my suggestions on empirical experience. I have fancier cameras but still regularly turn to those listed.
Good list! And thanks for sharing the UK perspective. I have a Yaschica FX-2 that I thought about including. It’s a bare-bones machine, but I find the viewfinder is quite dark. I don’t know how the FXD compares, but I’d assume it’s a bit higher quality build. I don’t think the FX-2 was ever meant to be anything other than entry-level. I’ve just begun my foray into Zeiss Ikon territory, so I’ll mark the Nettar on my wish list!
I totally understand your point of view on "entry level", but surprised that none of the Pentax manual/semi manual models were mentioned. I have the Pentax MX purchased in 1983 and it's still in use today. I've also recently purchased an Olympus OM-1, still to be tried out properly. Both of these cameras are easy to use have a good range of available lens and produce pleasing results. I've only recently discovered this channel but it has a lot of interesting content, keep it coming.
I agree that there are several good Pentax options that would fit by criteria. Unfortunately, I don’t currently have any of those, and therefore they got overlooked. I should’ve stressed that this wasn’t an exhaustive list. I mean how could I leave out the K1000?? And the MX, as you mention, would also be perfect. Same applies to the OM-1 - which I do have. It’s also a fantastic camera, but I’m unsure how new users would feel about the lack of info in the viewfinder. Longtime OM-1 users obviously are undeterred by this and develop their own methods for knowing just where they are with respect to shutter and aperture. So, it becomes less of an issue the more familiar you are with it. Glad you found the channel! And thanks for watching!
Hello, Argentina! Several viewers have mentioned the Zenits. Unfortunately, I know very little about them. So I need to check them out. Many thanks for the suggestion!
In very begging I also wanted Zenit, cause here in Uzbekistan there a lot of them. But I find out that in cold conditions they shutters doesn't work properly and fails a lot. So, I decided to look for japanese one.
Hi! Nice video, keep it that way. What's your opinion on Ricoh Copal square shutter cameras, in example Ricoh 401 TLS (M42 mount - tons of lenses from many manufacturers). By the way, I love the interior decor and the way you match the pictures hanged on the wall with the theme of the video, you must have many of them ;-).
Actually, I’ve been “recycling” some of those wall pics of late 😁 Time to collect a few new ones! Coincidentally, I recently picked up a TLS 401 to do a review on. So that’ll be coming up soon. It’s definitely a unique design with the 2-way viewfinder. But, yes, the number of excellent lenses available for that mount is certainly a positive attribute. So, I’m looking forward to that one. I’m going to try to do that one during Feb sometime. So stay tuned!
Great video for anyone starting in film photography! My first real camera purchased in high school and used in college classes was a Pentax K1000, back then it seemed to be THE student camera, super simple to used and learn the basics of photography. I’m thrilled about the resurgence of film in recent years and now have a huge collection of these classics to enjoy again. Can’t wait for the Super Ikonta video as this is one on my collection bucket list!
It was such a HUGE error for me NOT to included the K1000 in this one. I simply over-looked it - mainly since I don’t currently own one. But you’re right - it was the camera to have!
Totally agree with your assessment of an "entry" level camera. At the very least, it has to be good enough to inspire the budding photographer to continue his/her pursuit of photography. I've owned a few of them you mentioned - Minolta SRT101, Nikon FE/FE2 & FM/FM2, the Yashica Mat 124G, of course, plus a few you didn't mention - the fully mechanical Nikkormat, the electronic FA from 1982 (I believe), and one of my favorites from around 1980 - the Contax139 & 159 cameras. IMO, one of the most aesthetically beautiful cameras. Allow me to share one tidbit with you & your readers, from the 1980's, featuring super model Cheryl Teague in a TV advertisement, raving on about the Olympus OM10. She said - "I don't know an f-stop from a short stop blah blah blah..." Her point being that she didn't have to with the OM10!
Well, if Cheryl Teague said it, I gotta have it. I may or may not have had her poster on the wall at some point in my life. I will neither confirm nor deny it. But anyway, the FA is one of my favorites - super spec’d and not given enough love. A lot of folks hate them due to the overall tech and reliability issues. Luckily mine still works great. The Contax 139 is one I’d not considered. Talk about an excellent line of lenses! And as you said - good looking to boot!
Some good, clear thinking, as usual. a lot of this really needed to be said! My first 35mm was a Pentax H1a, January, 1967. Rugged. I shot it until giving it to a monetarily challenged student in 1981 or 82. I was also shooting a Pentax MX (which should be on your list IMHO) and I'm still shooting it. Followed in order by the cannon of Canons: AE-1 Program, F1n and the mighty T90 (still shooting all of them today but primarily the F1n). I've had the catalog of Zeiss and Voigtlander folding 6x6 cameras but the Mamiya Six Automat bests any of them IMHO; almost identical in price and performance would be the Iskra I. YMMV
Lack of a Pentax body on this list is a glaring oversight on my part. I mean, the K1000 is the ubiquitous choice of countless “film explorers”. And the MX, of course, is an even better choice. Although I’m not up to speed on where it falls price-wise, I *think* it would come in under $250. You know, 10 years ago you’d have been able to pick most of these up for less than $100 each. I guess it’s a good problem to have. At least there’s increased interest and that’s good for all of us.
Enjoyed. Thanks! In 1973ish, my entry-level film camera was the Minolta SRT-100 (couldn't afford the SRT-101 at the time). Made some amazing family photos with that rig. Presently, in the Minolta department, I own the SRT-102 and 201, Maxxum 400si and Maxxum a7 (Wow). My other SLRs: Canon A-1 (another Wow) and T-50, plus a couple of Asahi Pentax Spotmatic SPs. Love 'em all.
Yes, that one is a glaring oversight on my part. It’s a camera I don’t own, so it just never comes to my mind. But YES, great choice, simple operation, excellent lenses.
For some reason (quite unintentionally) I left Pentax completely off this list. Not fair to Pentax as they have several that would be perfect for this. SP included!
The Nikon FE was my first camera and I love it. I always recommend the Nikon F80 which is a “modern” camera and is not overly complicated to use, semi auto modes and program mode + fully manual, and double command dials which will be familiar to modern dslr shooters, plus works with Nikon G lenses.
The F80 (N80 here in US) is a nice camera, indeed. One of the last breed of film cameras that came along right about the time digital took over. I agree, the two dials make it very modern and an easy jump into film photography. I picked one up a couple of years ago for a really good price but am ashamed to admit I’ve yet to put any film through it. Maybe you’ve inspired me to do that this weekend!
Another spot on video… thank you for putting it out. I’ve been a film shooter since my AE-1 came out. It was my first camera, but over the years I have picked up the AV-1, AT-1 and the A-1, all of which are great, but my secret love is the little known Canon EF film camera. It shows both shutter speed and aperture in the viewfinder and is built like a tank. A little known fact about it is although designed for the 1.3v mercury batteries, it accepts the 625A 1.5v batteries and it regulates them to the proper 1.3v internally so the meter functions as it should. Can’t forget another sleeper “Canon”, the T60. Made by Cosina with a plastic body, it will surprise many with its light weight and ease of use. Aperture priority and modern batteries and FD mount make it a true carry around camera. My most recent camera acquisition is the Yashica FX-3. It another sweet little camera and deserves more attention.
Thanks! I’ve actually been looking at the EF off and on for few years now. It’s an interesting camera, but super difficult to search for on eBay. You put Canon EF in the search bar….and well you get about 48,000 results, lol. I do have a AT-1 that I loaned out to a student in a kids’ photo camp I did a couple weeks ago. I hadn’t used it, yet, but she really liked it, and I thought it worked great. Nice and solid. I remember when the T60 came out, and I was just confused by the whole thing. But looking back now, it does seem a nice one to use.
I agree with you on the Holga and the Yashicamat. My choice for a great entry level 35mm would be the Canon A-1 (rather than the AE-1). The A-1 is the first SLR to have all four of the now standard PASM exposure modes. It's a solid camera and a system you can grow with, in fact you might never need another 35mm camera.
If PASM is a goal, a Rebel Ti will cost $50-100. I think manual focusing is the real challenge, and I tend to prefer Canon's final A-series installment, the AL-1. It has contrast based focus confirmation, with Av and M modes. Sure, the battery door is weak, but I just use the battery grip😊
Yes, the A-1 is an excellent choice. It’s control for aperture-priority mode is a bit odd when you compare it to its contemporaries. But not so odd if you compare it to modern cameras. For some reason, the A-1 doesn’t get the love the AE-1 does.
Yes, I did forget about Pentax. Not intentionally, though. The Spotmatics are indeed a solid choice. And the number of lenses that would be available in staggering. And of course you have the perpetually famous K1000!
I use m42 lenses on my EOS bodies, believe it or not. Lots of good lenses, available cheaply, and usable on both FD and EOS bodies, plus of course the Spotmatics :-)
Hey! Thanks for another great video. For medium format I recommend the Mamiya M645, this camera has a lot of accessories and lenses. Some people consider this camera as an entry level for medium format. For 35mm I recommend something like the Canon Elan series, this an electronic camera, but very underrated and cheap. For people that are learning about the film photography, this camera will make the learning curve very much easier. The beauty of this camera is that you are able to use your modern Canon lenses on this body.
Thank you! Obviously this was a very 35mm-centric list with a few MF cams thrown in as a bonus. I did consider the M645 though, I used to own one and thought it was a solid performer. Price-wise it’s pushing the “almost too expensive to start with” category. But that’s going to be the case with any decent MF system. Now, regarding the Elan. That’s a good call. Basically a film version of any modern Canon digital. Short learning curve AND as you point out, the ability to use modern Canon glass. So excellent point!
This is a great video, it clarifies what "entry level" really is. I buy, rehab, film test then sell film cameras. I get a lot of entry level shoppers who have been lead to believe the only camera to shop for is an AE-1 and a K1000. Both great cameras but is an AE-1 a better camera than an FE or FE2? or a K1000 better than an FTb? Afraid not. The aforementioned Nikkormats are indestructible fully manual cameras that bring 1/3 of the price of a K1000. Some of the influencers have falsely skewed the idea of the "entry level camera". I think your video does a good service to the shopper by defining what entry level really is and what to expect. I have seen comments about Zennits, Richos, Konicas, fantastic plastic etc. I respectfully disagree. While they might have been great cameras then and may be good cameras now I think mainstream name recognition will get them into photography. Oddball stuff just doesn't move the needle well enough but that's simply my opinion. Medium format, the aforementioned Mamiya 645 and your previously reviewed Kowa and Zenza Bronica. Once again this was a very helpful video.
Many thanks! One of the reasons I started this channel was to let folks know that there were more great cameras out there than the K1000. Some are indeed “oddball” as you say. But you’re probably right in thinking that name recognition is going to be a definite motivator. I completely forgot about the Nikkormats. That’s a group that is quite under-represented in my collection. Note to self: buy a Nikkormat. Cheers!
@@vintagecameradigest I think I have about 16 million of those stupid things. I LOVE Nikkormats. They are such an honest camera. If you start shopping you will find they are incredibly cheap. Go to the wrong part of town and leave a 50mm Nikon lens on the seat with the window down. You'll come back two hours later and there will be three Nikkormats on the seat next to your lens. 🙂
A camera I had quite a bit of experience with was the sears KSX-1000, it was a solid k mount slr that did not need batteries to function. A camera series I would avoid like the plague is the Nikon EM, FG and FG-20, the FG cameras though they do have manual shutter speeds show absolutely no exposure information besides shutter speed needed, no match needle, or +/- needle, or current speed indicated so in effect they are just aperture priority cameras.
If I recall correctly, the Sears cameras were mostly re-badged Ricoh bodies. I have a few of the Ricohs - not bad at all. And the ability to accept the K-mount is always a plus! Thanks for the tip on the FG cameras. So far I’ve avoided picking one up. I like the size, but…
My first 35mm film camera was Fujica STX-1, it fully mechanic with 55 mm lens, still enjoying using it for general photography due to its simplicity and great results
Totally with you, Holga is not an entry level camera! Unless by entry level you mean someone who is going to pick up a camera once and never shoot film again... I love Holgas, but getting good clean photos is not what they're good for! Glad the AE-1 made the list. I still have my AE-1P, now been in my possession for a solid 21 years! Haven't shot that in a while actually, maybe I will. Looking forward to the Super Ikonta! One of the few folders that I haven't tried. Should be great!
Oh, yes, how could the AE-1 (either version) not make that list?? But at the same time I completely ignored Pentax and the obvious classic K1000. I wasn’t thinking clearly, no doubt. But there are so many good ones to choose from now. I’m sure the list could be much longer. I’m going to get out with the Ikonta in the next several days. I’m a bit excited! And, yes, you should put some film through the AE-1P for old time’s sake!
Someone else mentioned the Fujica ST series, and sounds like a good addition. I’ve never used a Praktica, so I couldn’t vouch for it. But also could be a good addition. Thanks!
I bought Nikon FM10 for 140$ with delivery from Japan to Uzbekistan. This is my first camera and condition is perfect (except exposure meter of course). Standard kit lens F3.5 35-70mm with shutter speed 1-2000 is very good for beginners. And it's the very last completely manual SLR camera in the world. And as I know, Nikon's lenses are much cheaper than Canon's (I'm not fan on of those brands)
Thanks for the tip on the FM10! I’ve never tried one of those. I knew it was fairly recent, but didn’t know it was the last manual camera made. I can believe it though. I’ll need to check one of those out one day!
@@vintagecameradigest Thank to you for all of those videos. Actually it's like others F/FM cameras, but made of plastic instead of metal, and with out fast and slow shutter speed (8-1/4000). And you can't change view finder to vertical one and connect flash.
Man, where did you get that cabinet? The first camera I ever bought was the Minolta srT101 and I still have it though I have gone to the Nikon system. My carry camera is a NIkon FE2 these days and I'll chime in on the need for a little automation in an entry level camera for two reasons: first is that until you polish the skills photography can be hard and thus frustrating (and who wants to learn by failure) and second is why should you spend valuable time re-metering every time a cloud passes over when you could be looking for your next shot? Also- spot meters are wonderful things for beginners!
Yes, we certainly need to avoid frustration. In the classes I teach, dealing with the frustration is a MAJOR hurdle. I’ll also concur with you on the FE2 - absolutely fine camera!
I got my start with the holga and Kodak brownie Hawkeye they were fun for what they are toys ( I like my holga pinhole as a toy). partly because of your video I just got a bronica s2 I just ran my test roll I am so excited to get my images from the lab . And I been binge watching your videos the walk and shoots are to me as bob Ross videos are to my brother .
My first SLR (I started photography with an Agfa Isomat Rapid) was a Zenit 3m - the economical choice for an impecunious student. I replaced the Zenit with a Praktica LLC a few years later.
The Zenit was basic - no light meter, limited range of shutter speeds, preset lenses that were L39 mount. The Praktica LLC, though, had similar features to the Pentax Spotmatic F, only the aperture value was electronically passed to the camera, rather than using a mechanical link like the F. @@vintagecameradigest
My first "real" camera was a Minolta SR-T 101 I purchased in 1975. I still have it and use it often. I really enjoy my Nikon FM/FE's also. Nice that they use LR44 batteries too.
@@vintagecameradigest It was just a Sinar (my dad bought it for me for that 2-year program). Not because I want to, it was what school had required for all students. I had to carry ‘that heavy thing’ and heavy duty Manfrotto tripod along with it every single day. We weren’t allowed to use other formats, but only large format for all assignments and only in B&W films either in studio or on location. We had to shoot boring stuffs like cubes, cylinders, cones and spheres and more… to replicate the exact given lighting ratios between highlights and shadows by our instructors. And only with continues lights (hot tungsten flood and spotlight). No using of strobe lighting or flash lights until the 2nd year. We need to load, shoot and process every single piece of 4x5 sheet film. In the darkroom, we need to use ‘dip and dunk’ technique for film processing (developer, stop bath and fixer) The one called ‘ring around’ assignment was to make nine combinations, three exposures of the same image (a building for example) and overexposed , normal exposed and underexposed, then with those three different exposed negatives, we developed them in three developing ways, overdeveloped, normal developed and underdeveloped and dry mounted all nine 8x10 RC papers on a huge mat board so that the students could present those in the class for critique.
That is some serious work! But, I’ll bet you knew what you were doing by the end of that class. That’s funny about the Manfrotto tripods - I have 3 of them now. Super heavy but super sturdy!
@@vintagecameradigest Yes, they are. They’re made in Italy. BTW, have you tried carbon fiber tripods? I’ve never used one. They’re lighter, but are they as sturdy you know?
I have not. I would think that at a certain point, the weight of the tripod would add to the overall stability. So, I can’t really speak to the carbon fiber ones. I wouldn’t be opposed to trying one, but man, they’re not cheap are they?
The Minolta X-570 is perhaps a better alternative to the X-700, it does not have a program mode but in manual mode it displays the current shutter speed and the recommended shutter speed, something its bigger sister cannot do. Another suitable Minolta camera would be the XD-11 (Xd-7) it is electronic but in case the battery runs out it has two mechanical modes (O: 1/100 and B: )
Thanks for that info. I’ve never actually held the X-570, but that’s good to know. I think it was sort of an overlooked camera being the mid-tier offering. And of course the XD-series is top notch.
I like the design of the Olympus OM 1 because the shutter dial is in front of the Camera, so you very easy can see the shutter time and the aperture at the same time, but be aware that the shutter of the OM 1 at 1/500 and 1/1000 can overexpose because the shutter is slower at these speeds o the OM 1, I will recommend the OM 2 and OM 2 SP, I will not recommend the OM 10, many had fault issues ! Of Minolta Cameras I would go for the XD-5 or the XD-7. I will recommend the Nikon FE which has a light meter that is much easier to use and electronic shutters are more reliable in the long run (age) ! Of other Cameras I will recommend the Contax RTS and the Canon New F-1 which I think is the best 35mm SLR Camera ever made.
I would have loved to include the New F-1 on the list (or any of the F-1s), but they’re all priced a bit high - deservedly, of course. So far, my OM-10 hasn’t given me any issues, BUT of my XDs - none of them are working correctly. In the end, mileage does vary - especially when considering the electronically-controlled bodies. For consistency and reliability, I’d recommend manual over electronic. But you’re right, the FE is fantastic!
Another great and informative video, thank you. It is my humble opinion that an entry level camera should be able to be fully manual. That way you can really familiarize yourself with dialing in (literally) all of your settings.
I began photography using my parents' Brownie Box 620 camera and progressed to developing film and contact printing negatives. I got an Ilford Envy (also 620) for a Christmas present but, of course, these cameras were too basic. When I got my first job, I saved-up for the revolutionary OM1-MD and got hooked on film photography but usually let labs process my films. I even bought a 500 mm mirror lens. Now, several digital cameras later, I’m rediscovering film photography. 73 Ian
I agree with everything you said about an entry level camera. Plastic cameras or one use camera are not a camera worth talking about. I put them in I just want to take a picture of my friends or my vacation and not think about it. Any good manual 35 mm SLR. Should do it. Rangefinder camera, are great but have bit more of a get used to them. And the auto focus cameras generally have too many features to learn that aren’t really on the outside like a manual one. You have to dial in your manual modes like a DSLR. I prefer mechanically operated cameras to the automatic cameras. I used the X-700 as an Army photographer I was issued one and I already owned one too. My first camera I ever had was the Mamiya DSX1000 35 mm camera with a 50mm lens. I bought it at the PX at Ft. Sam, in Texas. It was easy camera to use. I didn’t know anything about photography. But like most SLR the light meter let me know when it okay to shoot. It took good pictures. I have used quite a lot of cameras. I have a Mamiya 645 that I love. It’s not too complicated. But I don’t know if I would recommend it as an entry level camera. Less than 20 years ago I was looking for a K1000 to buy. But they had said they stopped making it. The only fully mechanical camera they had that was new was the Nikon FM10. It felt light to me. It solid like the cameras I had owned before. But I bought it anyway. I still have it and use it. I actually like it. It goes up to 1/2000 on the shutter speed and 1/125 flash sync. I know it’s made of plastic. It’s a quality camera. Good enough for an entry camera. I paid less than $200 for it new. I do have now an FM, which I just got. There are so many good cameras to use. I say any good SLR that works is good enough.
Thanks for the great comment. Lot’s of good info in there. And that’s great to know about the FM10. I’ve never really paid it much attention, as it seemed like an afterthought from Nikon like the Canon EF-M was. But the FM10 is a great value compared to some of these others.
I think you could’ve mentioned camera’s like the pentax me as a great entry level camera, but your list of entry level 35mm camera’s is a good list. But I do have a greater problem with you pick of medium format camera’s. Folding camera’s can be great but because of there age and possible problems like not light tight bellows and none working shutters, they seem to me to be not as good to function as entry level camera’s
Yep, I inadvertently overlooked Pentax completely - as others have been quick to point out. The cameras I’ve mentioned are only good (for anybody) if they’re working. So, the MF folders, too, would have to be in working order to be a good choice.
I do not have many film camera but between those the Minolta SRT-101, Nikon FE, Nikon FE2, Pentax 1000 and the Canon AE-1, I think the Nikon FE is my favorite entry level camera. I had a bad experience with the Canon, shutter problem which seems common with this model so it is difficult to recommend something that could break down. The Minolta is an impressive camera for the price but the battery add a complexity for a beginner that the Nikon does not have. And I agree with you, the Yashica is a very good entry level medium format camera, it can produce a image quality comparable to camera like a Bronica Etr or Mamiya 645 but at a fraction of the cost
Those Nikons are going to be my favorites from the whole list simply due to build-quality. While I like my SRTs A LOT, using the Nikons just feels more refined. I know the wind-on mechanism is not something one should really get hung up on as long as it works, but the winder on those Nikons is smooth as butter.
My first camera in 1969 was a 1930s-vintage Kodak Duo Six-20 medium format (620) 6x4.5 folder. While I wouldn’t recommend it as a first camera nowadays, it sure was a great vehicle for learning all the basics of photography, especially DOF. I have that same model camera in my collection and occasionally shoot with it.
Correction: The Canon FTB does not show both the shutter speed and aperture in the viewfinder, The original FTB without the plastic tipped winder shows only the meter reading, the FTBn with the plastic tipped winder only shows the shutter speed. Great video. Pentax might be a good option as well.
Thanks for the correction! Looks like what I have is the FTbn, then. I knew the FT only showed the meter reading. But, again, you’re right. It only shows shutter info. Yes, a glaring omission is the Pentax K1000. That should’ve been the first one I thought of. I don’t have one, so it’s never in the front of my mind to talk about. The Pentax MX would be another good choice.
I still use my Canon AE-1 Program camera I purchased new in 1982. Great camera. I have others I purchased before camera prices pushed up in recent years. Such as Minolta 201, Nikon Yashica, etc. I find myself using some of the first autofocus cameras like the Canon EOS Rebel Ti and the EOS Rebel G cameras. I can use them with my EF lenses. And the best thing is you can get them all day long for around $25. As far as your question, almost any camera that gives you manual control is a good camera to start with. I went down the road of trying some of the 35mm point and shoot cameras, but, none of them produced quality photos like the manual ones do. I recently purchased my first medium format camera. A Mamiya RB67 Pro SD. Now I'm hooked on medium format. I guess I'm telling you all of this, because this is my journey back into film photography. And I suspect many of your students will catch the photography bug as well. The money won't stop at their initial camera purchase. Hehe All the best! Jim from Milton, GA
When I was formulating this episode, the way I had everything categorized in my head was mostly pre-AF cameras. But you make a good point with those Canon Rebels - you can still use great modern glass. And the experience wouldn’t be too “foreign” for younger shooters. You make another good point re: the point and shoot models. I have noticed on a lot of forums and such that many first time film explorers are looking at these as serious cameras only to be disappointed by the results. And the prices on some of these are insane! Have fun with that RB! A friend of mine has one I hope he’ll let me borrow for an episode soon. Cheers!
If it doesn't work out with your friend, I will be glad to let you borrow my RB67 and others. Thanks again for your informative video's. Jim @@vintagecameradigest
What I'm finding is that the FD 50 mm lenses are inexpensive, but the EF 50 mm lenses are fairly pricey relative to the EOS bodies. You can get an FD body plus 50 mm for less than $100, but it's hard to do that with an EOS. It seems like prime lenses fell out of fashion with autofocus bodies, except for professionals. Back when I had my A-1, prime lenses were what I could afford that would let me shoot flashless indoors. Something else to consider with EOS bodies is that many will fog infrared film. That's not the case with anything with manual film advance. The EOS 10s is one of the exceptions.
Other cameras I think are great for beginners that may fit your description are: Nikon FG or FM10 or F80 or F90s, Minolta 570 or XE-7 or XD11, Canon A1 or AT-1 or EF or F1 (old). All of which can be had for under $250
Yep! More excellent choices. I did skew the list pre-1990s. But there are great bargains like the F80 and F90 in that 90s group. Plus you get to use modern lenses - which is great if you already have a digital body.
I would add the Nikkormat. Of course this was my first Nikon. Purchased in 1972. Meter on mine does not work but I use a Light Meter or Phone app. I now have other Nikons. The F, F2 and a really nice S2.
The A-1 is the biggest unsung hero out there. Everybody wants the AE-1 when it comes to Canon. Most have never even heard of the A-1. It’s a heckuva camera.
Yep. The A-1 had the index finger wheel, which made setting shutter speed possible without changing your grip too much. And these days, the old pro-level and prosumer cameras are priced reasonably enough (less than $200) that you really shouldn't pick something else.
These are all great cameras- I own or have owned my share of them. As far as affordability, unless you know the pedigree of the camera, it would be prudent to factor in the cost of a CLA. Which is well worth it... Another concern with the older cameras with electronic shutters is that it is getting increasing difficult to get parts when they go south. While the mechanical cameras may be even older, they may be easier to fix.
Agreed. Replacement electronic parts are indeed getting harder to find. On the other hand, a repair person - skilled in manual camera repair - are getting harder to find, too. Luckily, there are still a few mom and pop shops in my area who can do the work, OR have passed the skill down to the next generation.
@@vintagecameradigest So far I've had good luck finding people to work on my fleet, though I've had to send them out to get done. There are still a crap ton of these old cameras out there that are still in use, so while repairing old cameras may be a niche field, I think there will be enough mechanically minded people who recognize an opportunity and fill the need. Also, there is a huge industry in making new replacement parts for classic cars. I suspect that there may be a similar field opening up for classic cameras- Leicas, Nikon F's and F2's, Canon F1s etc. Plus 3d printing opens up a lot of possibilities for repairing more obscure cameras.
This is true! It is a niche, but it does exist and hopefully can be continued. I do often compare vintage cameras to vintage cars, so this an additional way to think about it, too.
Recently, I read an article about Daido Moriyama. In the article, it stated one of the quotes from him. It says: “I’ve always said it doesn’t matter what kind of camera you’re using - a toy camera, a polaroid camera, or whatever - just as long as it does what a camera has to do. So what makes digital cameras any different?” And that starts me thinking. Honestly, I think it’s true… Camera companies (mostly Japanese) since the 50’s or so have used the terms “Professional level and entry level cameras” distinguishment to the public. After all they all do the same thing. Sure, there are technological innovations in each company and need to be respected and appreciated, it’s also a way of making profits.
I agree. I also think there isn’t an accepted objective standard for what “professional” is. I *think* we’d say that build-quality and reliability would be part of that, but in some cases it seems just like an arbitrarily-assigned label. My recommendation to anyone would be to get the best one you can afford.
@@vintagecameradigest What was once called "professional" is no longer so in the next moment, because there is a new technology that surpasses it. Luckily for lovers or those interested in analog cameras, the sensor is the film and the most interesting thing is the lenses. The rest is not very important anymore. Who needs more than 1 photo per second with film today? After the lenses, the most important thing is the viewfinder because it is what facilitates a good composition and also focusing well :)
I didn’t think of the Rolleicord, honestly. But yes that would be a great one. As for the F4, also a SUPERB choice. I was unaware of how much those prices have remained reasonable. That camera is probably one of the best values out there right now. I’ll be doing an episode on that one at some point.
My first SLR was a Pentax K1000 …. They’re a tad bit overpriced when bought from dealers ….. I’ve seen much better built Pentax MX bodies go for much less
Yes, I forgot about that classic. But you’re right - K1000s prices are a bit inflated due to their rep as a starter camera. I’d pick the MX over it any day of the week if the price was even close.
Such a shame that these kind of videos always omit the Ricoh range. My first 'real' camera in 1982 (ish) was a Ricoh KR10 (which I've recently replaced). I have two others as well. They have the K mount so can use the huge range of excellent Pentax lenses.
Good point! They didn’t pop into my head, unfortunately. However, I do like Ricoh cameras. I recently acquired a TLS and a 401. And just a year or so ago I snagged an XR7 and an XRP. Both well-appointed bodies. I hope to cover them soon on the channel. Many thanks for the reminder!
I know people have this hipster-elevated opinion of cameras such as the Canon AE-1 and Yashica 124G, to the point that they seem to believe that using one will result in angels singing from the clouds, imparting the power of God into your photographs. I'm sorry, guys, but these are and always were entry-level. They're very good entry-level cameras with very good capabilities, but they don't have the build quality or features that a high-level camera will have. These cameras are a very good value (well, they were before people went all trendy on them), but I would prefer a lot of other cameras over them, many of which are currently less expensive and more capable. I'd take a good Nikon FE over a Canon AE-1 any day of the week, for example, and you can likely buy two of them for the asking prices of AE-1s these days. I'd take a Canon A-1 over an AE-1 all day long, and they're frequently less expensive as well. Hype has caused a few cameras to become unreasonably expensive.
I could actually hear the angels singing as you said it. 😁 I think the AE-1 is a product of name-recognition. So, it follows that it would be sought after. But yes it has been elevated to a standard to which it possibly doesn’t deserve. Yes, the A-1 is much superior. And can probably be had for less than the AE models. Thanks for watching!
The Holga (and the other plastic cameras from the Lomo shop) are nothing but toy cameras. Tools to waste money on film, nothing more. Entry level cameras should be well manufactured sturdy machines with good quality glass. I have one requirement to add to your list, and that is that the camera should be able to teach the physics of picture taking - meaning, they should be operated and work fully manually only. No alluring automatic function on the menu, yo no Canon AE-1. I actually prefer medium format cameras for teaching photography, because they slow down the picture taking process considerably, and the film is more expensive, so the students are motivated to think before they press the shutter. What is the most difficult thing to learn for people, who grew up with cost free machine gun style shooting. When the students learn to understand, that one really good picture a week is a better outcome than two dozen acceptable ones, and this one really good pictures is more work than two dozen acceptable ones, they've understood one of the most important lessons of photography.
Very good points! I’ve used the Minolta SRTs in my classes before just for the reasons you laid out. Slowing down and enjoying the process itself is an important aspect of learning.
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I’m glad you didn’t set too low a price point for your recommendations. Too many of these “entry level” lists seem to think that nobody will pay more than $100 for a film camera. For manual focusing, I don’t think there is a better viewfinder than the OM-1/OM-2 series. For overall viewfinder experience, I think the FE/FE2 take the prize for best viewfinder. I would add the Olympus OM-2 and 2n to your list. They are fabulous cameras and can be had for well under $250 in excellent condition.
That would be a great addition, for sure. I have one but it’s not in working order, so I couldn’t personally vouch for it. But glad you did!
Here in the UK, for 35mm I'd suggest the Minolta X300, Yashica FXD Quartz, Nikon FG and the Pentax K1000. All use common LR44 batteries. The former DDR cameras by Praktica are dirt cheap, strong, reliable and have fabulous lenses. For medium format at a really low price point, Zeiss Ikon Nettar folders. Post war versions with an f/4.5 Novar lens are really cheap and produce superb images. Agfa Isolette folders are also good, but Zeiss Ikon have better bellows which are less likely to have holes in them. I base all my suggestions on empirical experience. I have fancier cameras but still regularly turn to those listed.
Good list! And thanks for sharing the UK perspective. I have a Yaschica FX-2 that I thought about including. It’s a bare-bones machine, but I find the viewfinder is quite dark. I don’t know how the FXD compares, but I’d assume it’s a bit higher quality build. I don’t think the FX-2 was ever meant to be anything other than entry-level. I’ve just begun my foray into Zeiss Ikon territory, so I’ll mark the Nettar on my wish list!
I totally understand your point of view on "entry level", but surprised that none of the Pentax manual/semi manual models were mentioned. I have the Pentax MX purchased in 1983 and it's still in use today. I've also recently purchased an Olympus OM-1, still to be tried out properly. Both of these cameras are easy to use have a good range of available lens and produce pleasing results. I've only recently discovered this channel but it has a lot of interesting content, keep it coming.
I agree that there are several good Pentax options that would fit by criteria. Unfortunately, I don’t currently have any of those, and therefore they got overlooked. I should’ve stressed that this wasn’t an exhaustive list. I mean how could I leave out the K1000?? And the MX, as you mention, would also be perfect. Same applies to the OM-1 - which I do have. It’s also a fantastic camera, but I’m unsure how new users would feel about the lack of info in the viewfinder. Longtime OM-1 users obviously are undeterred by this and develop their own methods for knowing just where they are with respect to shutter and aperture. So, it becomes less of an issue the more familiar you are with it. Glad you found the channel! And thanks for watching!
Hi, from Argentina. A cheap entry level camera is the Zenit family. Easy to found and buy. See ya!!!!!!!
Hello, Argentina! Several viewers have mentioned the Zenits. Unfortunately, I know very little about them. So I need to check them out. Many thanks for the suggestion!
In very begging I also wanted Zenit, cause here in Uzbekistan there a lot of them. But I find out that in cold conditions they shutters doesn't work properly and fails a lot. So, I decided to look for japanese one.
Well done.
Many thanks!
Hi! Nice video, keep it that way. What's your opinion on Ricoh Copal square shutter cameras, in example Ricoh 401 TLS (M42 mount - tons of lenses from many manufacturers). By the way, I love the interior decor and the way you match the pictures hanged on the wall with the theme of the video, you must have many of them ;-).
Actually, I’ve been “recycling” some of those wall pics of late 😁 Time to collect a few new ones! Coincidentally, I recently picked up a TLS 401 to do a review on. So that’ll be coming up soon. It’s definitely a unique design with the 2-way viewfinder. But, yes, the number of excellent lenses available for that mount is certainly a positive attribute. So, I’m looking forward to that one. I’m going to try to do that one during Feb sometime. So stay tuned!
IMHO, entry level 135 rangefinder mechanical shutter:
Canon P, Canon Canonet QL17 GIII, Leica M2, Nikon S2, Rollei 35
rangefinder electronic shutter:
Contax G1 or G2, Konica HEXAR RF
entry level 120 rangefinder electronic shutter:
Mamiya 6 0:02
Good choices all around. Not sure all of them would fall into the < $250 category, but I’d love to try one of those G1s or Hexars!
@@vintagecameradigest Hmm… forgotten about considering the prices! haha
Great video for anyone starting in film photography! My first real camera purchased in high school and used in college classes was a Pentax K1000, back then it seemed to be THE student camera, super simple to used and learn the basics of photography. I’m thrilled about the resurgence of film in recent years and now have a huge collection of these classics to enjoy again. Can’t wait for the Super Ikonta video as this is one on my collection bucket list!
It was such a HUGE error for me NOT to included the K1000 in this one. I simply over-looked it - mainly since I don’t currently own one. But you’re right - it was the camera to have!
Totally agree with your assessment of an "entry" level camera. At the very least, it has to be good enough to inspire the budding photographer to continue his/her pursuit of photography. I've owned a few of them you mentioned - Minolta SRT101, Nikon FE/FE2 & FM/FM2, the Yashica Mat 124G, of course, plus a few you didn't mention - the fully mechanical Nikkormat, the electronic FA from 1982 (I believe), and one of my favorites from around 1980 - the Contax139 & 159 cameras. IMO, one of the most aesthetically beautiful cameras.
Allow me to share one tidbit with you & your readers, from the 1980's, featuring super model Cheryl Teague in a TV advertisement, raving on about the Olympus OM10. She said - "I don't know an f-stop from a short stop blah blah blah..." Her point being that she didn't have to with the OM10!
Well, if Cheryl Teague said it, I gotta have it. I may or may not have had her poster on the wall at some point in my life. I will neither confirm nor deny it. But anyway, the FA is one of my favorites - super spec’d and not given enough love. A lot of folks hate them due to the overall tech and reliability issues. Luckily mine still works great. The Contax 139 is one I’d not considered. Talk about an excellent line of lenses! And as you said - good looking to boot!
Some good, clear thinking, as usual. a lot of this really needed to be said!
My first 35mm was a Pentax H1a, January, 1967. Rugged. I shot it until giving it to a monetarily challenged student in 1981 or 82. I was also shooting a Pentax MX (which should be on your list IMHO) and I'm still shooting it. Followed in order by the cannon of Canons: AE-1 Program, F1n and the mighty T90 (still shooting all of them today but primarily the F1n).
I've had the catalog of Zeiss and Voigtlander folding 6x6 cameras but the Mamiya Six Automat bests any of them IMHO; almost identical in price and performance would be the Iskra I.
YMMV
Lack of a Pentax body on this list is a glaring oversight on my part. I mean, the K1000 is the ubiquitous choice of countless “film explorers”. And the MX, of course, is an even better choice. Although I’m not up to speed on where it falls price-wise, I *think* it would come in under $250. You know, 10 years ago you’d have been able to pick most of these up for less than $100 each. I guess it’s a good problem to have. At least there’s increased interest and that’s good for all of us.
Great simple information ❤
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
Enjoyed. Thanks! In 1973ish, my entry-level film camera was the Minolta SRT-100 (couldn't afford the SRT-101 at the time). Made some amazing family photos with that rig. Presently, in the Minolta department, I own the SRT-102 and 201, Maxxum 400si and Maxxum a7 (Wow). My other SLRs: Canon A-1 (another Wow) and T-50, plus a couple of Asahi Pentax Spotmatic SPs. Love 'em all.
You sound like me, lol - I love them all! I do love the SRTs, though, especially. Straightforward and capable.
Pentax K1000 even though I’m a Nikon guy - I think that is a nice entry-level camera
Yes, that one is a glaring oversight on my part. It’s a camera I don’t own, so it just never comes to my mind. But YES, great choice, simple operation, excellent lenses.
Pentax Spotmatic SP
For some reason (quite unintentionally) I left Pentax completely off this list. Not fair to Pentax as they have several that would be perfect for this. SP included!
The Nikon FE was my first camera and I love it. I always recommend the Nikon F80 which is a “modern” camera and is not overly complicated to use, semi auto modes and program mode + fully manual, and double command dials which will be familiar to modern dslr shooters, plus works with Nikon G lenses.
The F80 (N80 here in US) is a nice camera, indeed. One of the last breed of film cameras that came along right about the time digital took over. I agree, the two dials make it very modern and an easy jump into film photography. I picked one up a couple of years ago for a really good price but am ashamed to admit I’ve yet to put any film through it. Maybe you’ve inspired me to do that this weekend!
Pentax Spotmatic is a true classic
Indeed! There are several Pentax SLRs that I should have mentioned in this list. It was a glaring error on my part and not sure what I was thinking.
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The Beatles, used them during the first visit to America.
Instant classics were born on the spot!
Another spot on video… thank you for putting it out. I’ve been a film shooter since my AE-1 came out. It was my first camera, but over the years I have picked up the AV-1, AT-1 and the A-1, all of which are great, but my secret love is the little known Canon EF film camera. It shows both shutter speed and aperture in the viewfinder and is built like a tank. A little known fact about it is although designed for the 1.3v mercury batteries, it accepts the 625A 1.5v batteries and it regulates them to the proper 1.3v internally so the meter functions as it should. Can’t forget another sleeper “Canon”, the T60. Made by Cosina with a plastic body, it will surprise many with its light weight and ease of use. Aperture priority and modern batteries and FD mount make it a true carry around camera. My most recent camera acquisition is the Yashica FX-3. It another sweet little camera and deserves more attention.
Thanks! I’ve actually been looking at the EF off and on for few years now. It’s an interesting camera, but super difficult to search for on eBay. You put Canon EF in the search bar….and well you get about 48,000 results, lol. I do have a AT-1 that I loaned out to a student in a kids’ photo camp I did a couple weeks ago. I hadn’t used it, yet, but she really liked it, and I thought it worked great. Nice and solid. I remember when the T60 came out, and I was just confused by the whole thing. But looking back now, it does seem a nice one to use.
I agree with you on the Holga and the Yashicamat.
My choice for a great entry level 35mm would be the Canon A-1 (rather than the AE-1). The A-1 is the first SLR to have all four of the now standard PASM exposure modes. It's a solid camera and a system you can grow with, in fact you might never need another 35mm camera.
If PASM is a goal, a Rebel Ti will cost $50-100. I think manual focusing is the real challenge, and I tend to prefer Canon's final A-series installment, the AL-1. It has contrast based focus confirmation, with Av and M modes. Sure, the battery door is weak, but I just use the battery grip😊
Yes, the A-1 is an excellent choice. It’s control for aperture-priority mode is a bit odd when you compare it to its contemporaries. But not so odd if you compare it to modern cameras. For some reason, the A-1 doesn’t get the love the AE-1 does.
You forgot the Pentax Series :).. The Spotmatics rock :).. And Endless amounts of M42 lenses ... And OH I look forward to seeing you shoot 6x9 :)
Yes, I did forget about Pentax. Not intentionally, though. The Spotmatics are indeed a solid choice. And the number of lenses that would be available in staggering. And of course you have the perpetually famous K1000!
I use m42 lenses on my EOS bodies, believe it or not. Lots of good lenses, available cheaply, and usable on both FD and EOS bodies, plus of course the Spotmatics :-)
Hey! Thanks for another great video. For medium format I recommend the Mamiya M645, this camera has a lot of accessories and lenses. Some people consider this camera as an entry level for medium format. For 35mm I recommend something like the Canon Elan series, this an electronic camera, but very underrated and cheap. For people that are learning about the film photography, this camera will make the learning curve very much easier. The beauty of this camera is that you are able to use your modern Canon lenses on this body.
Thank you! Obviously this was a very 35mm-centric list with a few MF cams thrown in as a bonus. I did consider the M645 though, I used to own one and thought it was a solid performer. Price-wise it’s pushing the “almost too expensive to start with” category. But that’s going to be the case with any decent MF system.
Now, regarding the Elan. That’s a good call. Basically a film version of any modern Canon digital. Short learning curve AND as you point out, the ability to use modern Canon glass. So excellent point!
This is a great video, it clarifies what "entry level" really is. I buy, rehab, film test then sell film cameras. I get a lot of entry level shoppers who have been lead to believe the only camera to shop for is an AE-1 and a K1000. Both great cameras but is an AE-1 a better camera than an FE or FE2? or a K1000 better than an FTb? Afraid not. The aforementioned Nikkormats are indestructible fully manual cameras that bring 1/3 of the price of a K1000. Some of the influencers have falsely skewed the idea of the "entry level camera". I think your video does a good service to the shopper by defining what entry level really is and what to expect. I have seen comments about Zennits, Richos, Konicas, fantastic plastic etc. I respectfully disagree. While they might have been great cameras then and may be good cameras now I think mainstream name recognition will get them into photography. Oddball stuff just doesn't move the needle well enough but that's simply my opinion. Medium format, the aforementioned Mamiya 645 and your previously reviewed Kowa and Zenza Bronica. Once again this was a very helpful video.
Many thanks! One of the reasons I started this channel was to let folks know that there were more great cameras out there than the K1000. Some are indeed “oddball” as you say. But you’re probably right in thinking that name recognition is going to be a definite motivator. I completely forgot about the Nikkormats. That’s a group that is quite under-represented in my collection. Note to self: buy a Nikkormat. Cheers!
@@vintagecameradigest I think I have about 16 million of those stupid things. I LOVE Nikkormats. They are such an honest camera. If you start shopping you will find they are incredibly cheap. Go to the wrong part of town and leave a 50mm Nikon lens on the seat with the window down. You'll come back two hours later and there will be three Nikkormats on the seat next to your lens. 🙂
Bahahaha! I’ll try that! But yes, probably need to add one to my Nikon set.
A camera I had quite a bit of experience with was the sears KSX-1000, it was a solid k mount slr that did not need batteries to function. A camera series I would avoid like the plague is the Nikon EM, FG and FG-20, the FG cameras though they do have manual shutter speeds show absolutely no exposure information besides shutter speed needed, no match needle, or +/- needle, or current speed indicated so in effect they are just aperture priority cameras.
If I recall correctly, the Sears cameras were mostly re-badged Ricoh bodies. I have a few of the Ricohs - not bad at all. And the ability to accept the K-mount is always a plus! Thanks for the tip on the FG cameras. So far I’ve avoided picking one up. I like the size, but…
My first 35mm film camera was Fujica STX-1, it fully mechanic with 55 mm lens, still enjoying using it for general photography due to its simplicity and great results
I’m not familiar with that one. So thanks for the recommendation. Fujica does need some representation on this list.
Totally with you, Holga is not an entry level camera! Unless by entry level you mean someone who is going to pick up a camera once and never shoot film again... I love Holgas, but getting good clean photos is not what they're good for!
Glad the AE-1 made the list. I still have my AE-1P, now been in my possession for a solid 21 years! Haven't shot that in a while actually, maybe I will.
Looking forward to the Super Ikonta! One of the few folders that I haven't tried. Should be great!
Oh, yes, how could the AE-1 (either version) not make that list?? But at the same time I completely ignored Pentax and the obvious classic K1000. I wasn’t thinking clearly, no doubt. But there are so many good ones to choose from now. I’m sure the list could be much longer. I’m going to get out with the Ikonta in the next several days. I’m a bit excited! And, yes, you should put some film through the AE-1P for old time’s sake!
Maybe Fujica ST and Praktica to this list of cameras ?
Someone else mentioned the Fujica ST series, and sounds like a good addition. I’ve never used a Praktica, so I couldn’t vouch for it. But also could be a good addition. Thanks!
I bought Nikon FM10 for 140$ with delivery from Japan to Uzbekistan. This is my first camera and condition is perfect (except exposure meter of course). Standard kit lens F3.5 35-70mm with shutter speed 1-2000 is very good for beginners. And it's the very last completely manual SLR camera in the world. And as I know, Nikon's lenses are much cheaper than Canon's (I'm not fan on of those brands)
Thanks for the tip on the FM10! I’ve never tried one of those. I knew it was fairly recent, but didn’t know it was the last manual camera made. I can believe it though. I’ll need to check one of those out one day!
@@vintagecameradigest Thank to you for all of those videos. Actually it's like others F/FM cameras, but made of plastic instead of metal, and with out fast and slow shutter speed (8-1/4000). And you can't change view finder to vertical one and connect flash.
Thank you for supporting the channel! And enjoy that FM10!
Man, where did you get that cabinet? The first camera I ever bought was the Minolta srT101 and I still have it though I have gone to the Nikon system. My carry camera is a NIkon FE2 these days and I'll chime in on the need for a little automation in an entry level camera for two reasons: first is that until you polish the skills photography can be hard and thus frustrating (and who wants to learn by failure) and second is why should you spend valuable time re-metering every time a cloud passes over when you could be looking for your next shot? Also- spot meters are wonderful things for beginners!
Yes, we certainly need to avoid frustration. In the classes I teach, dealing with the frustration is a MAJOR hurdle. I’ll also concur with you on the FE2 - absolutely fine camera!
I got my start with the holga and Kodak brownie Hawkeye they were fun for what they are toys ( I like my holga pinhole as a toy). partly because of your video I just got a bronica s2 I just ran my test roll I am so excited to get my images from the lab . And I been binge watching your videos the walk and shoots are to me as bob Ross videos are to my brother .
HaHa! I wish I had his hair 😁. I hope the images from the S2 are fantastic. Certainly one of my favorite camera systems. Thanks for watching!
My first SLR (I started photography with an Agfa Isomat Rapid) was a Zenit 3m - the economical choice for an impecunious student. I replaced the Zenit with a Praktica LLC a few years later.
Ashamedly, I know zilch about Zenits. But others have mentioned them, as well. I’m the same with Praktica. I need to expand my scope!
The Zenit was basic - no light meter, limited range of shutter speeds, preset lenses that were L39 mount. The Praktica LLC, though, had similar features to the Pentax Spotmatic F, only the aperture value was electronically passed to the camera, rather than using a mechanical link like the F.
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My first "real" camera was a Minolta SR-T 101 I purchased in 1975. I still have it and use it often. I really enjoy my Nikon FM/FE's also. Nice that they use LR44 batteries too.
Those Minoltas are some of my favorites. Solid and pretty reliable. And yes it doesn’t hurt that those Nikons use “normal” batteries.
I’ve used almost all film formats throughout the years in my photography journey including 4x5 in school, 120 and 135 as to-go cameras today. 🎉
You were lucky to get to work with 4x5 in school. That really makes one appreciate the finer aspects of the craft. And a great learning tool, as well.
@@vintagecameradigest It was just a Sinar (my dad bought it for me for that 2-year program). Not because I want to, it was what school had required for all students. I had to carry ‘that heavy thing’ and heavy duty Manfrotto tripod along with it every single day. We weren’t allowed to use other formats, but only large format for all assignments and only in B&W films either in studio or on location. We had to shoot boring stuffs like cubes, cylinders, cones and spheres and more… to replicate the exact given lighting ratios between highlights and shadows by our instructors. And only with continues lights (hot tungsten flood and spotlight). No using of strobe lighting or flash lights until the 2nd year.
We need to load, shoot and process every single piece of 4x5 sheet film. In the darkroom, we need to use ‘dip and dunk’ technique for film processing (developer, stop bath and fixer)
The one called ‘ring around’ assignment was to make nine combinations, three exposures of the same image (a building for example) and overexposed , normal exposed and underexposed, then with those three different exposed negatives, we developed them in three developing ways, overdeveloped, normal developed and underdeveloped and dry mounted all nine 8x10 RC papers on a huge mat board so that the students could present those in the class for critique.
That is some serious work! But, I’ll bet you knew what you were doing by the end of that class. That’s funny about the Manfrotto tripods - I have 3 of them now. Super heavy but super sturdy!
@@vintagecameradigest Yes, they are. They’re made in Italy.
BTW, have you tried carbon fiber tripods? I’ve never used one. They’re lighter, but are they as sturdy you know?
I have not. I would think that at a certain point, the weight of the tripod would add to the overall stability. So, I can’t really speak to the carbon fiber ones. I wouldn’t be opposed to trying one, but man, they’re not cheap are they?
The Minolta X-570 is perhaps a better alternative to the X-700, it does not have a program mode but in manual mode it displays the current shutter speed and the recommended shutter speed, something its bigger sister cannot do. Another suitable Minolta camera would be the XD-11 (Xd-7) it is electronic but in case the battery runs out it has two mechanical modes (O: 1/100 and B: )
Thanks for that info. I’ve never actually held the X-570, but that’s good to know. I think it was sort of an overlooked camera being the mid-tier offering. And of course the XD-series is top notch.
I like the design of the Olympus OM 1 because the shutter dial is in front of the Camera, so you very easy can see the shutter time and the aperture at the same time, but be aware that the shutter of the OM 1 at 1/500 and 1/1000 can overexpose because the shutter is slower at these speeds o the OM 1, I will recommend the OM 2 and OM 2 SP, I will not recommend the OM 10, many had fault issues ! Of Minolta Cameras I would go for the XD-5 or the XD-7. I will recommend the Nikon FE which has a light meter that is much easier to use and electronic shutters are more reliable in the long run (age) ! Of other Cameras I will recommend the Contax RTS and the Canon New F-1 which I think is the best 35mm SLR Camera ever made.
I would have loved to include the New F-1 on the list (or any of the F-1s), but they’re all priced a bit high - deservedly, of course. So far, my OM-10 hasn’t given me any issues, BUT of my XDs - none of them are working correctly. In the end, mileage does vary - especially when considering the electronically-controlled bodies. For consistency and reliability, I’d recommend manual over electronic. But you’re right, the FE is fantastic!
Another great and informative video, thank you. It is my humble opinion that an entry level camera should be able to be fully manual. That way you can really familiarize yourself with dialing in (literally) all of your settings.
Yep. Totally agree!
I began photography using my parents' Brownie Box 620 camera and progressed to developing film and contact printing negatives. I got an Ilford Envy (also 620) for a Christmas present but, of course, these cameras were too basic. When I got my first job, I saved-up for the revolutionary OM1-MD and got hooked on film photography but usually let labs process my films. I even bought a 500 mm mirror lens. Now, several digital cameras later, I’m rediscovering film photography. 73 Ian
It’s been a LOT of fun for me getting back into film, so I understand how feel. And that OM-1 - what a great camera.
I agree with everything you said about an entry level camera. Plastic cameras or one use camera are not a camera worth talking about. I put them in I just want to take a picture of my friends or my vacation and not think about it.
Any good manual 35 mm SLR. Should do it. Rangefinder camera, are great but have bit more of a get used to them. And the auto focus cameras generally have too many features to learn that aren’t really on the outside like a manual one. You have to dial in your manual modes like a DSLR. I prefer mechanically operated cameras to the automatic cameras. I used the X-700 as an Army photographer I was issued one and I already owned one too. My first camera I ever had was the Mamiya DSX1000 35 mm camera with a 50mm lens. I bought it at the PX at Ft. Sam, in Texas. It was easy camera to use. I didn’t know anything about photography. But like most SLR the light meter let me know when it okay to shoot. It took good pictures. I have used quite a lot of cameras. I have a Mamiya 645 that I love. It’s not too complicated. But I don’t know if I would recommend it as an entry level camera. Less than 20 years ago I was looking for a K1000 to buy. But they had said they stopped making it. The only fully mechanical camera they had that was new was the Nikon FM10. It felt light to me. It solid like the cameras I had owned before. But I bought it anyway. I still have it and use it. I actually like it. It goes up to 1/2000 on the shutter speed and 1/125 flash sync. I know it’s made of plastic. It’s a quality camera. Good enough for an entry camera. I paid less than $200 for it new. I do have now an FM, which I just got. There are so many good cameras to use. I say any good SLR that works is good enough.
Thanks for the great comment. Lot’s of good info in there. And that’s great to know about the FM10. I’ve never really paid it much attention, as it seemed like an afterthought from Nikon like the Canon EF-M was. But the FM10 is a great value compared to some of these others.
Canon EOS 500. Lightweight, plastic body, very cheap, and you can use all great EOS glass. it does have manual mode.
Good addition! As a matter of fact a lot of the earlier EOS bodies would be good - starting with the EOS 630 (600).
I think you could’ve mentioned camera’s like the pentax me as a great entry level camera, but your list of entry level 35mm camera’s is a good list.
But I do have a greater problem with you pick of medium format camera’s. Folding camera’s can be great but because of there age and possible problems like not light tight bellows and none working shutters, they seem to me to be not as good to function as entry level camera’s
Yep, I inadvertently overlooked Pentax completely - as others have been quick to point out. The cameras I’ve mentioned are only good (for anybody) if they’re working. So, the MF folders, too, would have to be in working order to be a good choice.
I do not have many film camera but between those the Minolta SRT-101, Nikon FE, Nikon FE2, Pentax 1000 and the Canon AE-1, I think the Nikon FE is my favorite entry level camera. I had a bad experience with the Canon, shutter problem which seems common with this model so it is difficult to recommend something that could break down. The Minolta is an impressive camera for the price but the battery add a complexity for a beginner that the Nikon does not have. And I agree with you, the Yashica is a very good entry level medium format camera, it can produce a image quality comparable to camera like a Bronica Etr or Mamiya 645 but at a fraction of the cost
Those Nikons are going to be my favorites from the whole list simply due to build-quality. While I like my SRTs A LOT, using the Nikons just feels more refined. I know the wind-on mechanism is not something one should really get hung up on as long as it works, but the winder on those Nikons is smooth as butter.
My first camera in 1969 was a 1930s-vintage Kodak Duo Six-20 medium format (620) 6x4.5 folder. While I wouldn’t recommend it as a first camera nowadays, it sure was a great vehicle for learning all the basics of photography, especially DOF. I have that same model camera in my collection and occasionally shoot with it.
I’d love to try one of those someday. And I can see how that would be a great learning camera.
VERY well said about this Holga sh... hype! Congratulations!
Thanks for your support! 😁 I thought I might catch a bunch of flak on that claim.
Correction:
The Canon FTB does not show both the shutter speed and aperture in the viewfinder,
The original FTB without the plastic tipped winder shows only the meter reading, the FTBn with the plastic tipped winder only shows the shutter speed.
Great video. Pentax might be a good option as well.
Thanks for the correction! Looks like what I have is the FTbn, then. I knew the FT only showed the meter reading. But, again, you’re right. It only shows shutter info.
Yes, a glaring omission is the Pentax K1000. That should’ve been the first one I thought of. I don’t have one, so it’s never in the front of my mind to talk about. The Pentax MX would be another good choice.
I still use my Canon AE-1 Program camera I purchased new in 1982. Great camera. I have others I purchased before camera prices pushed up in recent years. Such as Minolta 201, Nikon Yashica, etc. I find myself using some of the first autofocus cameras like the Canon EOS Rebel Ti and the EOS Rebel G cameras. I can use them with my EF lenses. And the best thing is you can get them all day long for around $25. As far as your question, almost any camera that gives you manual control is a good camera to start with. I went down the road of trying some of the 35mm point and shoot cameras, but, none of them produced quality photos like the manual ones do. I recently purchased my first medium format camera. A Mamiya RB67 Pro SD. Now I'm hooked on medium format. I guess I'm telling you all of this, because this is my journey back into film photography. And I suspect many of your students will catch the photography bug as well. The money won't stop at their initial camera purchase. Hehe All the best! Jim from Milton, GA
When I was formulating this episode, the way I had everything categorized in my head was mostly pre-AF cameras. But you make a good point with those Canon Rebels - you can still use great modern glass. And the experience wouldn’t be too “foreign” for younger shooters. You make another good point re: the point and shoot models. I have noticed on a lot of forums and such that many first time film explorers are looking at these as serious cameras only to be disappointed by the results. And the prices on some of these are insane! Have fun with that RB! A friend of mine has one I hope he’ll let me borrow for an episode soon. Cheers!
If it doesn't work out with your friend, I will be glad to let you borrow my RB67 and others. Thanks again for your informative video's. Jim @@vintagecameradigest
I’ll let you know! Many thanks!
What I'm finding is that the FD 50 mm lenses are inexpensive, but the EF 50 mm lenses are fairly pricey relative to the EOS bodies. You can get an FD body plus 50 mm for less than $100, but it's hard to do that with an EOS. It seems like prime lenses fell out of fashion with autofocus bodies, except for professionals. Back when I had my A-1, prime lenses were what I could afford that would let me shoot flashless indoors. Something else to consider with EOS bodies is that many will fog infrared film. That's not the case with anything with manual film advance. The EOS 10s is one of the exceptions.
I'd certainly add the Pentax K1000, KX or the MX.
Yep, I inadvertently gave Pentax the brush off. The K1000 is always a popular choice. I’d pick the MX over it if pricing is reasonable, for sure.
Other cameras I think are great for beginners that may fit your description are: Nikon FG or FM10 or F80 or F90s, Minolta 570 or XE-7 or XD11, Canon A1 or AT-1 or EF or F1 (old). All of which can be had for under $250
Yep! More excellent choices. I did skew the list pre-1990s. But there are great bargains like the F80 and F90 in that 90s group. Plus you get to use modern lenses - which is great if you already have a digital body.
I would add the Nikkormat. Of course this was my first Nikon. Purchased in 1972. Meter on mine does not work but I use a Light Meter or Phone app. I now have other Nikons. The F, F2 and a really nice S2.
Yes, others have pointed out the Nikkormats - and honestly I just forgot about them (as I did Pentax, too). Great choices, all around.
The FT3 lets you tap into the newer Nikon lenses ( though I've been doing nicely with my collection of pre-AI's.)
The Canon A-1 has always been my favorite that I suggest.
The A-1 is the biggest unsung hero out there. Everybody wants the AE-1 when it comes to Canon. Most have never even heard of the A-1. It’s a heckuva camera.
Yep. The A-1 had the index finger wheel, which made setting shutter speed possible without changing your grip too much. And these days, the old pro-level and prosumer cameras are priced reasonably enough (less than $200) that you really shouldn't pick something else.
These are all great cameras- I own or have owned my share of them. As far as affordability, unless you know the pedigree of the camera, it would be prudent to factor in the cost of a CLA. Which is well worth it... Another concern with the older cameras with electronic shutters is that it is getting increasing difficult to get parts when they go south. While the mechanical cameras may be even older, they may be easier to fix.
Agreed. Replacement electronic parts are indeed getting harder to find. On the other hand, a repair person - skilled in manual camera repair - are getting harder to find, too. Luckily, there are still a few mom and pop shops in my area who can do the work, OR have passed the skill down to the next generation.
@@vintagecameradigest So far I've had good luck finding people to work on my fleet, though I've had to send them out to get done. There are still a crap ton of these old cameras out there that are still in use, so while repairing old cameras may be a niche field, I think there will be enough mechanically minded people who recognize an opportunity and fill the need. Also, there is a huge industry in making new replacement parts for classic cars. I suspect that there may be a similar field opening up for classic cameras- Leicas, Nikon F's and F2's, Canon F1s etc. Plus 3d printing opens up a lot of possibilities for repairing more obscure cameras.
This is true! It is a niche, but it does exist and hopefully can be continued. I do often compare vintage cameras to vintage cars, so this an additional way to think about it, too.
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IMHO, entry level 135 SLR mechanical shutter:
Canon FTb, Konica Autoreflex T3, Minolta SRT101, Nikon FM, Olympus OM-1N, Pentax K1000
SLR electronic shutter:
Canon AE-1 and A-1, Konica FS-1, Minolta XD and X-700, Nikon FE, Olympus OM-2N
entry level 120 TLR and SLR mechanical shutter:
Yashica Mat-124G, Mamiya RB67
entry level 120 SLR electronic shutter:
Bronica SQ or SQ-Ai or SQ-B, Mamiya RZ67
I need to get my hands on a Bronica SQ. It’s on my wish list!
@@vintagecameradigest I believe you will like it. It functions just like your Hasselblad, but in ‘electronic version’.
Recently, I read an article about Daido Moriyama. In the article, it stated one of the quotes from him. It says:
“I’ve always said it doesn’t matter what kind of camera you’re using - a toy camera, a polaroid camera, or whatever - just as long as it does what a camera has to do. So what makes digital cameras any different?”
And that starts me thinking. Honestly, I think it’s true…
Camera companies (mostly Japanese) since the 50’s or so have used the terms “Professional level and entry level cameras” distinguishment to the public. After all they all do the same thing.
Sure, there are technological innovations in each company and need to be respected and appreciated, it’s also a way of making profits.
I agree. I also think there isn’t an accepted objective standard for what “professional” is. I *think* we’d say that build-quality and reliability would be part of that, but in some cases it seems just like an arbitrarily-assigned label. My recommendation to anyone would be to get the best one you can afford.
@@vintagecameradigest Yes, get the most out of the affordable ones and functionality for each different individual needs. 👍🏻
@@vintagecameradigest What was once called "professional" is no longer so in the next moment, because there is a new technology that surpasses it. Luckily for lovers or those interested in analog cameras, the sensor is the film and the most interesting thing is the lenses. The rest is not very important anymore. Who needs more than 1 photo per second with film today? After the lenses, the most important thing is the viewfinder because it is what facilitates a good composition and also focusing well :)
@@marcelocampoamor4761 Agreed. And it makes the process more enjoyable!
OMq10 with manual override manual plug in
Yep, that plug in is really helpful. Glad Olympus gave us that option!
What about a Nikkormat?
Ooh yes! Great addition!
Rolliecord III, Nikon F4. Those are real world base line now.
I didn’t think of the Rolleicord, honestly. But yes that would be a great one. As for the F4, also a SUPERB choice. I was unaware of how much those prices have remained reasonable. That camera is probably one of the best values out there right now. I’ll be doing an episode on that one at some point.
Canon TX and FTb, had both since the late 1970's, also have Bronia 6X6 but that's hardly entry level
I don’t have any experience with the TX, but the FTb is certainly a fine camera and worthy of inclusion here. Thanks for the addition!
My first SLR was a Pentax K1000 …. They’re a tad bit overpriced when bought from dealers ….. I’ve seen much better built Pentax MX bodies go for much less
Yes, I forgot about that classic. But you’re right - K1000s prices are a bit inflated due to their rep as a starter camera. I’d pick the MX over it any day of the week if the price was even close.
Such a shame that these kind of videos always omit the Ricoh range. My first 'real' camera in 1982 (ish) was a Ricoh KR10 (which I've recently replaced). I have two others as well. They have the K mount so can use the huge range of excellent Pentax lenses.
Good point! They didn’t pop into my head, unfortunately. However, I do like Ricoh cameras. I recently acquired a TLS and a 401. And just a year or so ago I snagged an XR7 and an XRP. Both well-appointed bodies. I hope to cover them soon on the channel. Many thanks for the reminder!
Pentax K1000
Yes! That is a GLARING omission from the list. As I awoke this morning, it popped into my brain.
I know people have this hipster-elevated opinion of cameras such as the Canon AE-1 and Yashica 124G, to the point that they seem to believe that using one will result in angels singing from the clouds, imparting the power of God into your photographs. I'm sorry, guys, but these are and always were entry-level. They're very good entry-level cameras with very good capabilities, but they don't have the build quality or features that a high-level camera will have. These cameras are a very good value (well, they were before people went all trendy on them), but I would prefer a lot of other cameras over them, many of which are currently less expensive and more capable. I'd take a good Nikon FE over a Canon AE-1 any day of the week, for example, and you can likely buy two of them for the asking prices of AE-1s these days. I'd take a Canon A-1 over an AE-1 all day long, and they're frequently less expensive as well. Hype has caused a few cameras to become unreasonably expensive.
I could actually hear the angels singing as you said it. 😁 I think the AE-1 is a product of name-recognition. So, it follows that it would be sought after. But yes it has been elevated to a standard to which it possibly doesn’t deserve. Yes, the A-1 is much superior. And can probably be had for less than the AE models. Thanks for watching!
The Holga (and the other plastic cameras from the Lomo shop) are nothing but toy cameras. Tools to waste money on film, nothing more.
Entry level cameras should be well manufactured sturdy machines with good quality glass. I have one requirement to add to your list, and that is that the camera should be able to teach the physics of picture taking - meaning, they should be operated and work fully manually only. No alluring automatic function on the menu, yo no Canon AE-1.
I actually prefer medium format cameras for teaching photography, because they slow down the picture taking process considerably, and the film is more expensive, so the students are motivated to think before they press the shutter. What is the most difficult thing to learn for people, who grew up with cost free machine gun style shooting. When the students learn to understand, that one really good picture a week is a better outcome than two dozen acceptable ones, and this one really good pictures is more work than two dozen acceptable ones, they've understood one of the most important lessons of photography.
Very good points! I’ve used the Minolta SRTs in my classes before just for the reasons you laid out. Slowing down and enjoying the process itself is an important aspect of learning.
You might save money buying a 124G, but you'll soon be penniless. The cost of film and processing is excruciating
Film and processing is indeed pricey. No argument there.