I like how you respond with "check" when ATC confirmed radar contact and verified your altitude and position. I usually respond with "roger" but I now see "check" is a much clearer response. Certainly, "wilco" and "affirmative" are in my opinion, worse than "roger".
Hey Gary, thanks for the videos. I am a student pilot in tampa florida. Your videos really help me "fill in the blanks" of learning that I might not get in my regular training.
You were cleared to land in the Cub just ahead of me on 31L today at KPSP. I was on my long solo XC in a DA40. From watching the videos I knew that green Cub would be hard to spot! Almost gave a "And fly the wing!" on the radio, but maintained radio discipline. Very helpful videos.
Thank you so much for the video even was being old like this and I’m newer here but finally a real flying experience through Spaces live not just talking talking and memorizing. Thanks a lot.
I have to fly there in December so I am here seeing how it’s done in that part of the world. I’ll be coming in from the east over Joshua Tree. What altitude would give me 2000’ above that area?
It comes with LOTS of experience. Many people assume you can "learn" this stuff, and that's just not accurate. You can only learn the BASICS. You have to actually fly hundreds and hundreds of hours in the controlled/towered environment to get really good and "fluid" at it!! Unfortunately, I did all of my primary training in the UNCONTROLLED environment, and it constitutes about 130-ish of my 160 total hours! So, with just 30 hours in the controlled/towered environment, I'm sorta getting the "hang of it", but I can see that there's no way I can become an expert at it, without flying SEVERAL hundred hours, talking to ATC! As you said there are so many variations and situations! Although pilots are not held to the same standards as controllers, and while it is sorta OK to use "regular" language (which I do every now and again), standard phraseology is strongly preferred/encouraged. For instance, it was only recently, that I learned, if you cannot do something you're supposed to say "UNABLE". Today, in this video, I learned "UNRESTRICTED" and "RESTRICTED" for altitude!
I fly though that pass once .with two people that never flew in small plane, Very turbulent...On return from palm springs flew over the pass nice and smooth..Keep the blue side up...
+Tom Cosentino Yeah, when you see those windmills spinnin' full-speed that's a sign it may be breezy. I flew the Cub through the pass yesterday, 33-kt. tailwind... Fast ground speed, but no turbulence or shear @ 4,500' (winds were calm at KPSP & Hemet at the time...)
I see 126.7 & 135.275 for TRSA and SoCal Approach in ForeFlight (TRSA traffic is handled by SoCal; it's not another controller). I rarely hear them use the 135 (low staffing, I assume). 126.7 is the freq. they give on ATIS for all arrivals. I used to spend time trying to figure out the correct freq. to contact ATC on in different areas; the last few years, I just pick a freq. off the chart or FF, and if it's not correct, they'll tell you what freq. to use.
Thanks for the reply! That makes. I need to start doing that. I tend to stress out about all these frequencies, during my flight planing. But it makes to call the one you think is correct and if it’s not they’ll just let you know.
I remember was flying midnight with a C152 and wind 21KT, they gave me left traffic and I got into med turbulence and I couldn’t land with that wind😁and head backed home
+Daniel Whiting Either is fine; less climbing thru Banning, but sometimes a bit turbulent. Look at BALDI intersection, sometimes I'll fly: SEE-> VPSLJ -> BALDI -> KPSP. Start bringing the power back north of Warner Springs & dive-bomb into KPSP!
I like how you respond with "check" when ATC confirmed radar contact and verified your altitude and position.
I usually respond with "roger" but I now see "check" is a much clearer response. Certainly, "wilco" and "affirmative" are in my opinion, worse than "roger".
Hey Gary, thanks for the videos. I am a student pilot in tampa florida. Your videos really help me "fill in the blanks" of learning that I might not get in my regular training.
You were cleared to land in the Cub just ahead of me on 31L today at KPSP. I was on my long solo XC in a DA40. From watching the videos I knew that green Cub would be hard to spot! Almost gave a "And fly the wing!" on the radio, but maintained radio discipline. Very helpful videos.
Kinda breaks my heart watching this. Miss flying there
Thank you so much for the video even was being old like this and I’m newer here but finally a real flying experience through Spaces live not just talking talking and memorizing. Thanks a lot.
Great video - clear and to the point.
I have to fly there in December so I am here seeing how it’s done in that part of the world. I’ll be coming in from the east over Joshua Tree. What altitude would give me 2000’ above that area?
I don't know if I will ever get my radio work down correctly so much to know
It comes with LOTS of experience. Many people assume you can "learn" this stuff, and that's just not accurate. You can only learn the BASICS. You have to actually fly hundreds and hundreds of hours in the controlled/towered environment to get really good and "fluid" at it!!
Unfortunately, I did all of my primary training in the UNCONTROLLED environment, and it constitutes about 130-ish of my 160 total hours! So, with just 30 hours in the controlled/towered environment, I'm sorta getting the "hang of it", but I can see that there's no way I can become an expert at it, without flying SEVERAL hundred hours, talking to ATC! As you said there are so many variations and situations!
Although pilots are not held to the same standards as controllers, and while it is sorta OK to use "regular" language (which I do every now and again), standard phraseology is strongly preferred/encouraged. For instance, it was only recently, that I learned, if you cannot do something you're supposed to say "UNABLE". Today, in this video, I learned "UNRESTRICTED" and "RESTRICTED" for altitude!
I fly though that pass once .with two people that never flew in small plane, Very turbulent...On return from palm springs flew over the pass nice and smooth..Keep the blue side up...
+Tom Cosentino Yeah, when you see those windmills spinnin' full-speed that's a sign it may be breezy. I flew the Cub through the pass yesterday, 33-kt. tailwind... Fast ground speed, but no turbulence or shear @ 4,500' (winds were calm at KPSP & Hemet at the time...)
Is So-cal interchangeable with ATC?
Very informative, Garry. Thanks!
did you just put in flaps well above white arc?
Vfe in a C182 is 140 KIAS... so..... I don't think so.
Thanks for sharing. Great education, and I love the scenery. A little different than Tennessee. :)
In ForeFlight, there are also frequencies for the palm spring TRSA that are different from SoCal Apr frequency. When would you use those frequencies?
I see 126.7 & 135.275 for TRSA and SoCal Approach in ForeFlight (TRSA traffic is handled by SoCal; it's not another controller). I rarely hear them use the 135 (low staffing, I assume). 126.7 is the freq. they give on ATIS for all arrivals. I used to spend time trying to figure out the correct freq. to contact ATC on in different areas; the last few years, I just pick a freq. off the chart or FF, and if it's not correct, they'll tell you what freq. to use.
Thanks for the reply! That makes. I need to start doing that. I tend to stress out about all these frequencies, during my flight planing. But it makes to call the one you think is correct and if it’s not they’ll just let you know.
Thanks for the video
i just started ppl training, where would i find the frequency the contact the TRSA before entering?
I am sure you figured it but for others, it’s in the chart supplement
Very interesting!
What GoPro housing do you use? I haven't found one that has an opening for the audio cable.
+276AZ It's called a _Black & Decker 1/4" drill_...:)
Nice summary. Great shirt! :-)
what are you flying ?
A Cessna T182T.
Hi thanks for the video
Best with directions
I never had to deal with TRSA yet but why is it marked, Participation is voluntary on the part of the pilot. Sounds unsafe to me.
+Claude “Reviews4U” Rains I've regularly observed the Palm Springs TRSA to be busier than many Charlie airspace
It's not voluntary in the Palm Springs TRSA, you must contact SoCal to enter.
I remember was flying midnight with a C152 and wind 21KT, they gave me left traffic and I got into med turbulence and I couldn’t land with that wind😁and head backed home
great video. thanks
Gary another great video thank you very much.
what does TSRA stand for?
+UAV Flyer flythewing.com/308/Blog/Entries/2016/2/8_TRSA_Procedures.html
thanks, just finished reading the article it was very informative!
From SD do you prefer approaching PSP from Banning vs. Thermal/south?
+Daniel Whiting Either is fine; less climbing thru Banning, but sometimes a bit turbulent. Look at BALDI intersection, sometimes I'll fly: SEE-> VPSLJ -> BALDI -> KPSP. Start bringing the power back north of Warner Springs & dive-bomb into KPSP!
Flew not fly. Edit first post. Sorry...