Union Says Boeing Retaliated Against 2 Engineers Who Raised 777 & 787 Issues
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- The Boeing saga continues. Amid whistleblowers coming forward and testifying in Senate hearings, the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA) has alleged that Boeing had retaliated against two engineers who insisted on reevaluating previous engineering work on the Boeing 777 and 787 programs. SPEEA is a union that represents employees at both Boeing and Spirit AeroSystems.
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"we investigated ourselves and we did nothing wrong"
This is why all workers need Unions to fight crap like this
But the union here did pricesely nothing.
@@machintrucGamingdid we watch the same video? In the video I saw the Union has done a lot and is still fighting back
@@ViktorFromDK they didn?T
@@ViktorFromDK after 2024, after all media attention came to it. Nothing beforehand. What of the previous employees, who had raised complaints?
Typically, saying anything that compromises corporate management will get you fired immediately.
As long as there are no criminal consequences, Boeing will never change
they got away with criminal consequences, just like with the rest of the world would. the world will never change
Nah, money is much more important than few dudes in prison.
Of course not. Just like we as individuals won’t change.
This shows their profit over safety approach very well.
it's not profit for the shareholders, rather careers for the managers.
@@buenos4799Exactly. Boeing managers are hurting shareholders.
The incentives are misaligned
At this stage I don't think management is trying to maximise shareholder profit, they are working to maximise their bonuses.
@@buenos4799 Without profit for the shareholders, the managers don't have careers !
alot of companies show their profit over blah very well not just boeing
When one of these flying coffins goes down, don't say we were never warned.
literally watching this video while flying on a 787 with its wifi.
imagine if i played this video out loud.
not surprised
Retaliated? They shot the guy in the hotel parkinglot in Charleston SC.
That's my hunch too.
Really? Have you provided your evidence to law enforcement? A very provocative statement.
You were there in the parking lot ? Well you should submit your evidence then.
Don’t forget the other whistleblower who died of an infection.
We have investigated ourselves and we have found that we have done nothing wrong!
At this point refusing to fly Boeing planes is certainly the right cause of action. At least in the future.
This 'safety' approach is rotten to the core. As much as I personally hate red tape, I am a programmer and don't work on safety relevant stuff. These procedures were put into place for a reason, like that stress on material was simulated, and if you use more force in alignment than assumed in the simulation that's invalidating the simulation and not going to go well long term.
The problematic part is that these kinds of failures are not predictable (if not aware of the shortcuts that were taken) and often happen at a later stage in the product lifecycle, so depending on when this happened, we're yet to see the magnitude of these issues. Potentially all Boeing airplanes that were subject to these shortcuts (which may be hard to trace, so potentially one has to consider all manufactured planes during that time) are ticking bombs just yet to go off. Which would ruin many companies on top of Boeing (Boeing users or their insurers).
What the hell OS wrong with these managers. I know shortsightnedness is a common affliction amongst some managers, but that magnitude...
The ironic part is that they did it to boost production, so the very reason they did it serves to increase the magnitude of the damage caused.
What is a cause of action?
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 ChatGPT is good at explaining such phrases.
> A "cause of action" in legal terms refers to a set of facts sufficient to justify a right to sue to obtain money, property, or the enforcement of a right against another party. [...] It encompasses the legal reasons for which a party is entitled to bring a claim against another.
New to me that it actually comes out of legal practice, but its also somewhat common in normal (ab)use. Of course I don't intend to litigate against Boeing personally, I just make choices according to my judgment of their actions. Such as not flying Boeing.
Why should the action of refusing to fly Boeing be the case now?
An engineering culture begins at the top, so until Boeing puts qualified engineers in charge at every level up to the top, there will be continued intractable infighting like we're seeing now.
then make sure they go do that then
Dennis Muilenburg was an engineer He received a bachelor's degree in Aerospace Engineering from Iowa State University, followed by a master's degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the University of Washington.
@@soccerguy2433 there are a lot of people who have engineering degrees, do engineering for a year or two then they are propped up as managers. A degree does not make someone an engineer, hands-on experience does.
Should never have merged with McDonnell Douglas. Still don't understand how they could join forces with the company that built the reviled DC-10.⚰️☠️ If I have to fly in the future, I will only travel on Airbus jets. The fact that a whistleblower was murdered during his testimony, appears to have been swept under the rug. I mourn for William Boeing, Bill Allen and all of the people who dedicated their time, energy, talent and lives to building some of the most beautiful, state of the art jets in the world. ( I love you 757 !!! The flying sportscar !!)🥰🥰🥰🤗✈️ I'm angry at whoever allowed this merger to happen and gave permission for the McDonnell Douglas merchants of death, to infect such a wonderful company.😢😢
And another whistleblower - only 45 and very healthy - dying from a strange, fast-moving infection. Too much sus
Boeing, we hear nothing, know nothing! It was the big boy down the street that done it
Their names are likely on the 'car park' list
Whistleblowers being retaliated against is a common theme. Even in government agencies like the FBI, IRS, National Security agencies, military, etc and there are laws to protect them.
it happens all over the world to protect internal people in companies
To the surprise of absolutely nobody
Don't rock the boat in other words. Corporate bullying at its finest. Why would anyone want to work at a company like this.
No one should work for any company that has corporate bullying. the world will run half of what its run today
The whole Boeing top needs to go.
At aero companies the low/mid managers and project leads are the most corrupt. The top are morons who have no idea what's going on at their companies. Personal experience.
make sure they go and do that then
@@buenos4799 If they should want to know, all they'd have to do is go home and turn on the TV news.
Think the unions should should explain to all Boeing engineers that public safety does not meet the threshold of "gag orders" on Non disclosure agreements...keep whistle blowing...
Whaaaaaat I can't belieeeeeve it 😲
Second whistle blower died in hospital cause got sick suddenly.
We now have two whistleblowers who died under mysterious circumstances. Dry bizarre
Douglas should have never merged with McDonald where this "don't spend and don't improve" mentality originated. This continuing mentality has now affected Boeing and will eventually kill the company since there no solution to change the board of directors' minds. Airbus rightfully wins.
Douglas had it down pat, McDonnell was a disaster. How Boeing got taken over by McDonnell Douglas, I haven’t a clue. The better company always seems to be taken over.
Guess what. Boeing will not be killed off. if there is a lot of effort of Boeing needing to change then they may actually change for good. Airbus may not win if Boeing gets killed off as they too will follow suit and make mistakes
I would just stay away from Boeing at this point. Enough is enough!
The Boeing management clearly is: "Safety last"
It's not Boeing, it is MD.
Boeing's soul died when the company left Seattle.
It's not 737 Max, it is DC - 13
DC-10 MAX 8
Probably right, but it will be Boeing's name on the bankruptcy petition. Arguably it lost its mind when it lost its heart and soul, and now it's lost its strength. Literally, actually.
The Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina is a text book case in retaliation.
The Boeing saga will go on for a long time. In the meantime, many are waiting for a Boeing 787 crash? What the heck?
So Boeing is investigating itself and saying everything is fine?
DUH. They prove time and time again they think profits are more important then safety.
What I think is that I don't want to fly on a Boeing.
What a crap company Boeing has become….
I was wondering what are unions doing out there at Boeing with everything happening? Aren't they supposed to stand up for workers?
Depends on the supplements!!!
@@johnchristmas7522 True dat.
It’s really horrible status…it might be occur much more disasters in air frights!
I’m now engaging in aviation industry, where we always relate with their products. Not only customers but also our colleagues could be involved with matters. I wish that they will share the truth of their production and improve worker’s environmental issues as fast as possible.
The problem can be summed up with one word. Union.
And so far their claims are groundless. 787s have flown millions of miles without a problem and are certified. If it turns out they’re just after personal revenge,they should be charged.
The rot goes deep, very very deep!
If it's a Boeing I am not going
dont fly then
@@nickolliver3021 good luck for you then
@@emanggitulah4319 and good luck to you make sure to look at a flight radar to see the truth
@@nickolliver3021 world has Airbus nicky. That's how I move continents. Airbus only going fwd
@@guillaumeromain6694 world has Boeing. That's how people move continents too you know. Boeing only going fwd
Airbus takes over the #1 spot. My future flights will involve checking the itinerary and aircraft being used. Engineers and all employees should be on the same page with management regarding safety. More work needs to be done in designed parts of aircraft before manufacturing
If one was a Boeing employee, the "Speak Up" process is like asking for a table at the "Red Wedding" (Game of Thrones).
Evil only pursue that which serves its interests- evil. That’s why it’s very crucial that necessary steps are taking to protect the engineers/whistleblowers. These victims are not fighting individual battle, they’re fighting for the preservation of humanity.
Until the Boeing Executive Compensation program is revised to reward meaningful company performance metrics over a long term moving average time period, rather than the stupid monthly and quarterly bonuses, harmful management behavior will persist. Under the current system, Boeing Comercial Aircraft division will not last 5 years.
then go do something about it. Airbus commercial wont last 5 years under its current system either
Can anyone realistically trust anything Boeing management say? I have a flight coming up on a Max and seriously considering if I should change carriers.
When this countries Supreme Court ruled that corporations were people to. What they should have added, the most despicable sort of people.
The corruption of the corporate culture at Boeing is heartbreaking! This once great company has devolved into a Wall Street entity who ONLY purpose is to make money and the willingness to subvert everything to make money. They P1ss on safety requirements and, apparently, fail to do the required inspections or buzz through them without due diligence. I've worked on Boeing planes when Boeing was a respected company, but they are no longer a respected company.
neither is airbus as they have the corruption of corporate culture. their once great company has developed into make money. They P1ss on safety requirements and fail to do required inspections or buzz through them without diligence.
Boeing is the most honest company I know next to the top 3 pharmaceutical companies
defend the 2nd so whistleblowers can defend themselves
Oh Boeing, you're getting pathetic
so is the world of politics
No evidence of retaliation? How about the dead whistleblower?
Boeing have sadly have learnt absolutely nothing from recent tragedies.
The Dollar is all important and safety and quality control is nothing more than an inconvenience.
After decades and decades of the company dismiss issues brought up by employees the union steps up, where is local union 751 aerospace machinist union? It's not just the engineering employees but the employees on the floor of manufacturing whom also have had issues.
You don't need to be an advanced aerospace engineer, or even a genius, to grasp the reality of what has been going at Boeing. Quality and safety are not important because these things take time and cost money. And money in their pocket and shares value (many bonuses are paid in shares too, so that's related) is the only thing that interests anyone who has decision power at Boeing. Of course, anyone who fails to follow this straight line has a hellish life. This will not change unless there is a HUGE change in management, and the changes have been cosmetic and to pretend that something is happening, when in reality it's business as usual in the past 20 years.
Building planes is a hassle and takes too much time, and Boeing management knows they can keep the ship floating for a long time by doing nothing and letting it go on. The US government will ultimately let things go on because it's in their best interest, or it will have to take the helm and of what remains to be seen. Boeing clearly knows that they will still get orders anyway, there's only another game in town and they have a huge backlog that only grows.
What amazes me is that there are airlines still ordering Boeing planes, because at some point the Boeing brand can be completely worthless. And that point is not that far, or unrealistic.
If the US government thinks that this same behavior is affecting their military aircraft, then I'd wager a guess that they'll actually put in significant effort into cleaning up.
But yeah, as long as it's just commercial flights, going by how it went so far, I'd be very surprised if they manage to properly clean up Boeing management with the resources they seem willing to commit.
@@9SMTM6 We don't know it's not happening to their military aircraft. Plus, military aircraft generallly have laxer safety standards, so what's acceptable by military standards would be completely unacceptable for passenger jets.
Nothing going to change with Boeing until a MAJOR crash happens sadly 😢
@@jdcaldwell5088 even if its pilot error that causes the crash
@@jdcaldwell5088 Another major crash and there doesn't need to be a change. They're finished.
Of course, they're going to blame pilots. They blame Alaska for incompetent maintenance for the door plug blowout. Surreal...
didnt you know? corperations are immune to government regulations.at least in their own minds.
Another man was taken down and made to look like he did it himself
Rubbish.
The FBI should raid Boeing's computers and all files now !!
I will never fly on a Boeing aircraft, even if the airline gives me a 1st class seat free of charge!
I’m guessing you don’t fly anywhere anyway
then dont fly on an airbus either even if the airline gives you a 1st class seat free of charge
Go Airbus!
go boeing!
@@nickolliver3021 rip Boeing
@@vs6300 rip airbus
@@nickolliver3021 Airbus is going nowhere. Boeing is headed down an abyss of no return.
@@vs6300 Airbus will fall if Boeing goes under. nobody wants that do they
Not surprising, they murdered a whistleblower and killed hundreds through negligence, nothing this company does surprises me except that they continue to exist.
If it's Boing I am not going
then dont fly
Seems like the Al Baker culture has left it's legacy even at Boeing.. problem is these ME airlines are buying more than they need and other national airlines can't flourish or start up, and they demand these aircraft asap, hence the poor manufacturing....
Just don't get on a Boeing aircraft, that's all I'm going to say
and dont get on an airbus simple
How sad to see Boeing go down the drain . Really no short term solution, the old Boeing culture needs to return
Funny how they just keep dying.
can you discuss on busy flights to malaysia because i usually see 2 etihad flights to kul but now 3 flights,and saudia has 4 flughts because of privilage,PIA comes once,shanghai and shenzhen airlines come two times,US-Bangla airline now uses the a330 to malaysia,i think there is a high number of people who want to go to malaysia
Oh yes, the land of the FREE. If you keep your mouth shut.
DON'T FLY ON A BOEING JET VERY SIMPLE GO AIRBUS❤
Boeing will teach those pesky union employees by looking the other way for profit over safety. If it is Boeing, I am not flying!
When you say, "Boeing retaliated", it is a lack of understanding how these companies work. Most likely some lower/mid-level projects leaders retaliated, not for protecting the company, but for protecting their own high-status careers. This situation happens regularly at all large aero companies. It is a result of the government mandating an authoritarian very hierarchical engineering team structure, specific paperwork bureaucracy (formal systems engineering and DO-254 pseudo-science) and project micromanagement with review/approved mini milestones. The final result is corruption at low levels of management..
it is a joke . pilot welcome pasager whit phrase " new type and build boing state of the art " . all pasager rush to get out except 5 . all be afraid about quality . this 5 was sure boing even take off . no hurry to get out
America: Congress defunds regulators to force them to let industry regulate themselves like auto and aerospace.
RIP. And we thought only Putin & Kim Jong-Un snuffed out their critics.
Boeings culture is rotten to the core - time to close the company and save lifes.
time to close airbus culture as thats rotten to the core. time to close the aviation industry to save lives
Safety and quality is 80% culturally based. And culture is driven from the top. Therefore Boeing is screwed.
Boeing fans have no shame. They will support Boeing no matter what .
even airbus fans would support them no matter what
This is sounding very ai. Please no
I don't think AI would do the things those executives do for profit
1st😂
Dumb.
Get a life.
Those comments came on the heels of the statement the Union released regarding the actual employee responsible for the below average work. "We have successfully mediated the issue with the employee who failed, repeatedly, to do their job correctly. They will receive a 15% wage increase, and will work a 32 hour work week, and their title will become Operations Manager, Manufacturing." "Also, we hope Boeing will be able to fire additional management that were not directly related to the actual manufacure of the airframe.
The thing with averages is half of all employees will be below average
Typically, saying anything that compromises corporate management will get you fired immediately. Galileo set the standard for speaking out against the establishment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei