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Hey guys! Oppenheimer’s out!! Gotta fast track him out while it’s hot! But you guys def should react.. I’m intrigued to see your thoughts/perspective on it honestly outside of it being a masterpiece.
The reason the creatures from starbeast feel classic is because they are The original starbeast was a tom baker story for Doctor who Magazine. it was written by Pat Mills, and the art and designs were by Dave Gibbons of Watchmen and Green Lantern fame. They were also credited in the episode and were even allowed on set to see their creation come to life
I bawled my eyes out when Donna told The Doctor, "Okay" after he said that she was gonna die. She was ready to sacrifice her life for her family and save the world again. Good god, tears tears!
@@flaggerifyDidn’t matter, the emotion was still there and to them it was very real. Of course they weren’t expecting us to believe she was going too considering she’s in all three specials
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 How selfish, he sacrificed his life for an old man despite his deep fear of his own death. How mean of him. What a flaming garbage take lmao.
There are also two more episodes to explain it and considering that Tennant opens the episode by asking why he has this face back I guarantee by the end of it we will have the answer.
Don’t forget that Tennant is not the first one to do this - it was confirmed in the 50th that he regenerates back into the fourth doctor (also yes, the logo is very much an updated version of the fourth doctors logo also). Funnily enough, both the fourth and tenth doctors are generally considered the fan favourites, and as stated in the 50th, the doctor will ‘revisit the old favourites’ in regeneration.
Except he also is the first to do it because a future doctor regenerates back to the fourth we just saw that as a past doctor. It's all so timey wimey.
Tennant even regenerated into himself, hence the reason that Matt Smith was the 13th & final Incarnation,....until a new set of regenerations were given to him by the Time Lords.
I was banging on about the Curator being the Tardis emergency hologram years before Chibnall thought of it - yes I still think he's the late Doctors memories stored in the Tardis matrix rather than on Gallifrey, mingled with the Tardis Ai to produce the benign face-shifting ghost that walks the halls and corridors of the Undergallery (it really being the Tardis stuffed full of souvenirs and remembrances, of course;)
Jason means Healer or Physician. So Donna named her son Doctor. Then her daughter took the name Rose 🌹. Maybe TARDIS had something to do about that. RTD has great attention to detail.
@Omni_G I mean, yeah? How many old-timey cartoons have some kind of devilly character for a bad guy? You need some bad guy toys if you want playtime to be interesting.
The reason for the diamond logo is because the 60th is the “diamond anniversary” so they brought the diamond shaped logo back as part of that sentiment
I love that Donna lowkey did it on purpose (throwing the coffee) and the tardis went ooh noees coffeee welp off we go. The Tardis Loves Donna so I can see it going with it.
*1)* On the subject of Fourteen's sonic screwdriver (6:49), there was a comic called _Liberation of the Daleks_ that showed Fourteen immediately after the last episode, wherein he lost Thirteen's screwdriver. He got this new one offscreen, so maybe a future comic will show that. *2)* Gonk, noun, a spherical or egg-shaped doll with frizzy hair. *3)* Between Thirteen's biscuit dispenser and Fourteen's coffee machine, I'm convinced the TARDIS heard Bill Potts say she looks like a fancy kitchen and decided "I _should_ offer food and drink from the console, that would be nice." *4)* Love that the TARDIS is fully accessible for wheelchair users, or K9, or Daleks. And the Doctor can go zooming around it like a cat/dog! *5)* I want to believe that the TARDIS can withstand coffee spillage, and that she was just taking the first chance she got to have Donna back onboard. *6)* Rose's hobby is toymaking. I can't help but wonder if that'll tie in to the later villain... *7)* Regarding 23:36, they are a returning villain, but not from the Classic Era stories. This episode was an adaptation of an old comic strip from decades ago - David Tennant was 8 or 9 when he read it. With this, _Human Nature/Family of Blood,_ and _Dalek_ adapting previous stories, I wonder if Russell Y Davies likes doing that, and if he'll do it again, maybe with a well-known EU story like _Prisoner of the Daleks_ or _Spare Parts._
7. 1980's 'Doctor Who and the Star Beast' published in Marvel UK's Doctor Who Weekly (which is now Doctor Who monthly magazine), written by 2000ad comic veterans Pat Mills and drawn by Dave Gibbons (credited in the titles and briefly interviewed in the behind the scenes show which accompanied this on Saturday online in the UK), starring the Fourth Doctor. And like David Tennant I too read it, on or around the time. Both Beep the Meep, the Most All Mighty and the Waarth Warriors come from it, and are pretty much close to how they were drawn, though apart from the turn around of the Meep's identity the rest of the NEW Russell T Davies story expands widely from this. Oh, and if you look online or on TH-cam you will find PLENTY of images from the original 1980 strip.
We know the TARDIS is sentient. We know it moves through time in a nonlinear way so it knows things that haven't happened yet. It's familiar with Donna and knows her all took well. We've never seen the Tardis included a beverage maker into the main console before so in theory it did that knowing Donna would spill her drink and cause them to hurl through time and space on 1 last grand adventure together. It doesn't always take him where he wants to go but it always takes him where he NEEDS to be
Shirley is played by Ruth Madeley who has a condition called, I think, Spina Bifida. I like the detail of Shirley crossing her legs while talking to The Doctor, it shows that not everybody who requires a wheelchair is fully paralysed.
Spina bifida is a condition where the spinal cord can be exposed (and damaged) because of the spine not fully formed. It means that, even you doesn't suffer any form of paralysis, your spine is very fragile and using a wheelchair might be highly recommended Frida Kahlo also had this condition
I have Spina Bifida, and it largely depends on the part of the spine that is affected. Mine was closer to the bottom than the top, so my legs work above the knee, but walking is extremely difficult (though still possible). Based on her physique and mannerisms, I would put her near the same level as me. But, Spina Bifida can go from full on quadriplegic to barely noticeable.
Yeah, she's great and fab in Russell T Davies series 'Years in Years' which is this dystopian kinda sci fi show about a family/rise of populism. Worth a watch
All that matters is evil presents as a male from Star Wars First Order rather than on a life support machine that might be interpreted as wheelchair. Also, male presenting time lords suck at time lording.
Not for the crew or anyone who has gone in as totally blind as they have and wants to stay that way (including not even knowing Donna was back) but: . . . . . Boy are they gonna be excited to find out Bernard Cribbins got some filming in before he died. I'm ready to absolutely sob my eyes out.
I want to and really really really fucking holy shit do not want to see that. I do not want to cry but I will. I'm already tearing up thinking about it. I hate you. I love you. But I hate you.
They played a mix of 10 and 11s music which was awesome. Also the screwdriver is a mix of 10, 11 and 12… can’t help but think it’s foreshadowing something 👀
The Star Beast was originally a Doctor Who Magazine comic in about 1980-ish, written by the same writers as the comics 2000 AD, which is home to Judge Dredd. Maybe the slow reveal of the Wrarth Warriors was for long time fans who were familiar with them, because Russell has gone on record to say as show writer, he considers every comic and side story in the expanded universe canon because he doesn’t want kids to read them and love them and have them not be acknowledged in the show.
8:15 Gonks are like gnomes but they are more like Christmasy so they have a pointy hat, a beard and a round nose, no eyes and you can get a variety so it’s not just Christmas. Highly recommended if you want something cute in your home or for the occasion.
Other than the resolution of the Metacrisis (which I felt was weird and unnecessary; it being passed down and split was good enough explanation for me), this was really dang good. I was prepared to stop watching Doctor Who after that Sea Devils episode but when RTD came back I figured I'd give him a chance.
I totally agree. I loved the idea of Donna having a child and there being 2 hearts to share the metacrisis. I also loved the trans representation in the first half of the episode because it felt real and natural. At the end, it just became a bit ridiculous. It felt to preachy and they would've been better of leaving the final solution to the metacrisis for one of the other specials instead of rushing to end it all here
@@joevictor53 They also had to get rid of the knowledge, not just the timelord stuff. Because Donna being that smart would be too big an impact on stories. I mean it could work we had Romana and River Song. But they didn't want another person with timelord knowledge traveling with him.
My thoughts exactly.. I get the concept but I didn’t realize they could just “let it go”, that felt super Disney/ Frozen lol everything else was superb
I just love that you guys had no idea Donna was in the episode. You went into the episode completely blind, and that must have been so refreshing and exciting, avoiding trailers is a lost art in 2023. Respect :)
Even though everyone is saying this: The Meep and The Wrarth Warriors are technically classic villains but were from the comic strip in the Doctor Who Weekly Magazine from the 70s and 80s as opposed to the TV show. This episode was an adaptation of the story they first appeared originally titled "Doctor Who and The Star Beast". Fudge was also a character in the original version.
Rachel Talalay directed this episode who also directed all 3 Capaldi Finales as well as his final story, which of course includes Heaven Sent the most well directed episode in the entire show.
How did such a director manage to make such a shit episode as this one, then? Attack half the fanbase AND trans people in one sentence due to context? Has she hit her head or something?
While certainly not perfect, The Star Beast was a warmly welcoming reintroduction to the whole show! David and Donna’s antics kept me laughing through and through, Meep is adorably evil, the story was so sweet with all the emotions surrounding Rose and the new TARDIS interior is one of the very best! A HUGE RETURN TO FORM! 😍💚
Binary Binary Binary destroyed me Q.Q Loved the humor in this episode, loved the new tardis! Loved your reaction!! Apparently David was like (paraphrasing) "i should run around like a kid in Disneyland when i see the new interior" and Russel was like ...."ok!" LOL
I loved a lot of this episode but I do have problems with the ending. The stuff with Rose early on in the episode was great. Showing the bullies deadnaming her, Donna and Sylvia's talk and Sylvia slipping up, Rose talking to the Meep about how she feels different. And I loved the fact that fact that Donna having a child allowed the metacrisis to be shared between 2 hearts. The binary/non-binary stuff was borderline for me but if that was it, I could've accepted it. But the ending with Donna and Rose just letting it go? That felt so lazy and cheap. This was a 15 year old problem that had no solution. The solution is just to let it go? And the unnecessary sexism as well. If you want to raise women up, you don't need to put men down. Also it doesn't work because the Doctor was just a woman a few hours ago so why didn't she tell Donna about how to fix this problem. They should've split the metacrisis between Donna and Rose but kept it in them for the following specials and maybe fixed it in the end. It was too much to fix everything in the first special
Have to agree for the most part - even as a queer person who doesn't mind a bit of camp msiandry. It just made no sense, the binary stuff was interesting but could have been written better (this is rtd the literal father of queer tv in the UK, he even wrote the original queer as folk - he could defo do better) as felt clunky and outdated. The male presenting/let it go element was borderline painful to watch, if we're going to go for a genderless doctor, which can be cool if done well, why reinforce gender binary's two second later. I was just so confused how Russell T Davies who wrote Queer as Folk, Cucumber, Years and Years etc forgot how to write lgbtq+ people well. However (not your comment) there's so much anti-david tennant (for his vocal trans support) + anti 'wokery' online that outside of blind wave I'm going to have to defend an episode I didn't even think was that good aha
@@natasha7760 He didnt seem excited about this episode when he was describing them. He said this was the "family friendly" one, to then describe the other two as absolutely insane and unlike anything we've gotten before. He must know it's a bad episode. If he doesn't, this show is fucked
this Tardis control room looks like a mixture of the "main" previous rooms. The basic white of classic WHO, Inclusive as 9/10s, multi leveled like 11, expansive as 12s and the lighting design of Jodie
This story was based on a comic from the Doctor Who weekly magazine from the 1970s. The Meep and the Wrarth Warriors were from that comic which is why they seem so classic.
As I’m from the U.K. a Gonk is more like a small gnome creature, although it’s more soft and made of fabric. It usually has a big pointy red hat, which completely covers its eyes. Obviously, like you guys, when someone mentions Gonks, I usually think more of the droids from Star Wars.😂
The part when David starts running around the tardís. Was all David’s idea. Russell t Davis said that as soon as David came on set and saw it he totally fanboyed out and said to Russell what about if I just run around the set like a little child at Disneyland.
Oh and incase you're unaware, there are 3 60th specials (technically a miniseries more than specials) followed by the Christmas Special and then a proper 8 episode series next year.
The actor who plays UNIT's Bingham was also in RTD's Years & Years. I neither she had Spina Bifida. She actually can walk but, not easily. We see her walk, briefly, in Y&Y. The Meep & Wrarth Warriors come from a 1980 Doctor Who comic, predation E.T. & Gremlins.
Regarding why he’s back, I think it’s just unfinished business. The 10th Doctor had his moment, or straight up saved, every person who was ever important to him during his victory lap- except for his best mate Donna. He left her worse off.
You know that this is adapted from a comic book story by Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons (he who later did the art for Watchmen) that appeared in 1980? They've done a really good job of realising Gibbons design for the Meep, the Wrarth Warriors, and even Meep's ship and escape pod. Rose's friend, Fudge, is also a character from the comics story. There's a behind-the-scenes video with Mills and Gibbons visiting the set. And David Tennant goes all fanboy and gets them to autograph his copy of the comic!
Donna being saved by having a child was such a clever twist! And a callback to her saying binary. This was such a fun episode for everyone who watched Heartstopper. 😄
I like how they say "you've got your old face back" like that should be obvious. Surely it wouldn't be surprising to see literally any of the Doctor's faces in any given order, given he's a time traveler. Like, the only doctor who couldn't show up at the current chronological point in time is the War Doctor, because he would most likely be unable to escape the time lock around the Time War.
I've watched every single Blind Wave Doctor Who reaction since series 1!! Been so excited for this for a while! Finally seeing David Tennant as the Doctor together at the same live time, feels weird. I have watched a few of the full length reactions for special episodes like 50th anniversary, has Patreon changed with how to view full length reactions, I wouldn't mind subscribing for a month to see the next few Doctor Who episodes up to the Christmas special. But Patreon looks different since I last used it.
In answer tomyour question, Gonks are a sort of gnome creature that originates from Scandinavian folklore about gnomes and little folk and such, Depicted as little hairy men with big hats, beards and big noses being their only facial features. Kinda like a less twee version of garden gnomes. Gonk figurines and dolls are becoming very popular Christmas decorations in England.
i doubt there will be a genuine reveal of why he turned back to "10" i think its just an emotional thing like with Capaldi where it was just him turning into him both to more show his "age" as in he is old and also to go back to Pompei to always remind him of that
I just rewatched this episode and noticed: When Rose first meets the Meep and says "You can talk! Oh my god!" the Meep's reply according to the subtitles is "mm-hmm"... "Correct, I am your god, now bow down puny mortal-- I mean... I'm a cutesy, I huwt ma paw..."
In Day of the Doctor the Tenth Doctor said he loved the round things. And lo, they have returned with him. The new TARDIS reminds me of the Eleventh Doctor's interior but with a cleaner design and, of course, the round things.
I loved that Special, i felt right at home, we got Donna back a sweet new Console Room, great writing with the humans actually being humans and not just being "there"
To answer your question, a gonk js kinda like an elf/gnome type thing that seems to have taken the UK by storm in recent years for Xmas decorations - I believe they are Scandinavian in origin however
A really good episode. Some moments are cheesy at worst, but its AWESOME at best. I really enjoyed watching it and Im expecting to see the next one. Side note: In Latin America, we finally got a decent spanish dub for Doctor Who in this special. Before that, all the spanish dubs were horrible, which might explain why Doctor Who isnt known in this part of the world.
@@jeremy14o I mean honestly, I know this is mean to say, but if any of the original for reactors had to leave the Doctor Who reaction, Shane was probably the one- He never really seemed that engaged. The most reaction he would ever show was when his jaw would drop, but he wouldn't really say anything that often..:(
Great special. The only thing I found odd was the statement about a male presenting Timelord could never understand about letting go. In an episode where progressive inclusion is so pivotal, the weird borderline sexism was very off putting.
my only gripe is how donna and rose talk down to the doctor throughout, hes centuries old and they talk to him like hes a fucking teenager, other than that, i loved it
@@dylanburton4955 yeah, but then specifically referencing the female doctor as someone who would understand, despite her being the doctor who was the most oblivious to everything going on around her, if they hadnt mentioned her specifically id have been fine with it, but that little reference felt forced and out of place
The episode was really good, lots of high points, editing, pacing, the cast 👍 I thibk the writing is a bit wonky when trying to show the LGBT parts, good messaging, bad writing for it in some parts but this doesnt ruin the whole episode of course
So good to have your reaction! A non-spoiler fact you might like: Beep The Meep is a classic villain... but not from the tv show, from the comics! This special is an adaptation of the 1980 comic strip The Star Beast written by Pat Mills and ilustrated by Dave Gibbons (the same as Watchmen!). The Wrath are also from that story.
Early in the episode the show makes a point about sensitivity towards sexism. Then climaxes in solving the decade old plot thread with the sentence "something a male presenting Doctor could never understand." Got it. Sexism is bad, unless we can imply weaknesses of men. Then it's awesome and inspiring.
One thing that immediately came to mind for me was The Empty Child 2 parter, where in The Doctor Dances the nano particles or whatever they were could correct themselves because they found the mother. I doubt the idea was intentional, but it felt like a nod back to that haha. There was only 1 moment in this ep that I really didn't like and made me recoil, but most of it was fine and enjoyable. I know the "It killed me it killed me it killed me" from the Doc to Donna about Missing her got me emotional. Regardless of how good or bad people think this ep was, I have a feeling this ep will be made a lot better once we have all 3 specials together. Nice to have Who back.
Just realized that when she says "you got your old face back", that doesn't make sense. How would she know he isn't the same Doctor with that face? He's a time traveler so they could see him with 20 different faces all mixed in and repeating at random to them.
I've been thinking, since it's only been like an hour for 14 when the episode starts, regeneration cycle is still working, wouldn't he himself have been fine if the soldiers shot him? Like I get that Donna might not have, but he would.
The only line I Hated with this special was the line "a male presenting timelord" because it was said as somewhat of an insult, when earlier in the episode she had just been insulted for her gender by rude children cut that line or make it more comical and the episode is perfect, 10/10 will watch again and again
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eccelston is MY doctor. all others are just immitations
Hey guys! Oppenheimer’s out!! Gotta fast track him out while it’s hot! But you guys def should react.. I’m intrigued to see your thoughts/perspective on it honestly outside of it being a masterpiece.
yooo you guys are soWOKEbrooo
Gonk means a bang.
The reason the creatures from starbeast feel classic is because they are
The original starbeast was a tom baker story for Doctor who Magazine. it was written by Pat Mills, and the art and designs were by Dave Gibbons of Watchmen and Green Lantern fame. They were also credited in the episode and were even allowed on set to see their creation come to life
*Pat Mills of 2000AD fame, without which there would be no Watchmen.
Wagner + Mills
@@bumfie Wagner didn't work on this one despite the credit.
@@flaggerify Thanks i was just going by the old comic presumed if his name was there saying he wrote it with uncle Pat then he did ,
It was so sweet, it was amazing to see Dave Gibbons so exited, you’d think he’s used to seeing his stuff come to life by now
I bawled my eyes out when Donna told The Doctor, "Okay" after he said that she was gonna die. She was ready to sacrifice her life for her family and save the world again. Good god, tears tears!
It was obvious she wasn't going to die.
@@flaggerify it wasn’t about “oh it’s obvious she’s not gonna die” but the emotion behind it, jebus.
@@flaggerifyDidn’t matter, the emotion was still there and to them it was very real. Of course they weren’t expecting us to believe she was going too considering she’s in all three specials
That's how it's done. Much better than the selfish "I don't wanna go" that 10 gave us when he "had to save Wilf" 🙄
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 How selfish, he sacrificed his life for an old man despite his deep fear of his own death. How mean of him.
What a flaming garbage take lmao.
"Don't be ridiculous, why would they explain it?"
I mean, a good sum up of 60 years of Doctor Who right there 🤣💙
I mean it was kinda hinted at during the last anniversary episode by the curator “you May find yourself revisiting a few of the favourites”
That still doesn't explain why. And that is the question.@@ajandrianjafymusic
There are also two more episodes to explain it and considering that Tennant opens the episode by asking why he has this face back I guarantee by the end of it we will have the answer.
@@ajandrianjafymusic If the theories are true, I don't think it was the Doctor's choice this time around.
it was already explained by the curator.
Don’t forget that Tennant is not the first one to do this - it was confirmed in the 50th that he regenerates back into the fourth doctor (also yes, the logo is very much an updated version of the fourth doctors logo also). Funnily enough, both the fourth and tenth doctors are generally considered the fan favourites, and as stated in the 50th, the doctor will ‘revisit the old favourites’ in regeneration.
The Curator chooses to look like Six again as well.
Except he also is the first to do it because a future doctor regenerates back to the fourth we just saw that as a past doctor. It's all so timey wimey.
I remember them saying that in the discussion for power of the doctor so hopefully they remember that a year later
Tennant even regenerated into himself, hence the reason that Matt Smith was the 13th & final Incarnation,....until a new set of regenerations were given to him by the Time Lords.
I was banging on about the Curator being the Tardis emergency hologram years before Chibnall thought of it - yes I still think he's the late Doctors memories stored in the Tardis matrix rather than on Gallifrey, mingled with the Tardis Ai to produce the benign face-shifting ghost that walks the halls and corridors of the Undergallery (it really being the Tardis stuffed full of souvenirs and remembrances, of course;)
Jason means Healer or Physician. So Donna named her son Doctor. Then her daughter took the name Rose 🌹. Maybe TARDIS had something to do about that. RTD has great attention to detail.
I didn’t realize that. Thank you for that beautiful detail.
Little hint the Meep was evil, it was holding the plush of Satan from the Satan pit and the Dalek asking them to be its friend.
Lmao
Ah, typical kids. Making plushies of Satan
@Omni_G I mean, yeah? How many old-timey cartoons have some kind of devilly character for a bad guy? You need some bad guy toys if you want playtime to be interesting.
The reason for the diamond logo is because the 60th is the “diamond anniversary” so they brought the diamond shaped logo back as part of that sentiment
I love that Donna lowkey did it on purpose (throwing the coffee) and the tardis went ooh noees coffeee welp off we go. The Tardis Loves Donna so I can see it going with it.
*1)* On the subject of Fourteen's sonic screwdriver (6:49), there was a comic called _Liberation of the Daleks_ that showed Fourteen immediately after the last episode, wherein he lost Thirteen's screwdriver. He got this new one offscreen, so maybe a future comic will show that.
*2)* Gonk, noun, a spherical or egg-shaped doll with frizzy hair.
*3)* Between Thirteen's biscuit dispenser and Fourteen's coffee machine, I'm convinced the TARDIS heard Bill Potts say she looks like a fancy kitchen and decided "I _should_ offer food and drink from the console, that would be nice."
*4)* Love that the TARDIS is fully accessible for wheelchair users, or K9, or Daleks. And the Doctor can go zooming around it like a cat/dog!
*5)* I want to believe that the TARDIS can withstand coffee spillage, and that she was just taking the first chance she got to have Donna back onboard.
*6)* Rose's hobby is toymaking. I can't help but wonder if that'll tie in to the later villain...
*7)* Regarding 23:36, they are a returning villain, but not from the Classic Era stories. This episode was an adaptation of an old comic strip from decades ago - David Tennant was 8 or 9 when he read it. With this, _Human Nature/Family of Blood,_ and _Dalek_ adapting previous stories, I wonder if Russell Y Davies likes doing that, and if he'll do it again, maybe with a well-known EU story like _Prisoner of the Daleks_ or _Spare Parts._
damn, I really like n° 6 on your list
It's fully accessible now, but you have to go about 1km further to get where you want to go. So, kind of a win haha.
I hope that Shirley Anne Bingham will visit the TARDIS and take advantage of the accessibility. I really like her a lot!
Dalek from series 1 was also a adaptation of Jubliee
7. 1980's 'Doctor Who and the Star Beast' published in Marvel UK's Doctor Who Weekly (which is now Doctor Who monthly magazine), written by 2000ad comic veterans Pat Mills and drawn by Dave Gibbons (credited in the titles and briefly interviewed in the behind the scenes show which accompanied this on Saturday online in the UK), starring the Fourth Doctor. And like David Tennant I too read it, on or around the time. Both Beep the Meep, the Most All Mighty and the Waarth Warriors come from it, and are pretty much close to how they were drawn, though apart from the turn around of the Meep's identity the rest of the NEW Russell T Davies story expands widely from this. Oh, and if you look online or on TH-cam you will find PLENTY of images from the original 1980 strip.
We know the TARDIS is sentient. We know it moves through time in a nonlinear way so it knows things that haven't happened yet. It's familiar with Donna and knows her all took well. We've never seen the Tardis included a beverage maker into the main console before so in theory it did that knowing Donna would spill her drink and cause them to hurl through time and space on 1 last grand adventure together. It doesn't always take him where he wants to go but it always takes him where he NEEDS to be
Shirley is played by Ruth Madeley who has a condition called, I think, Spina Bifida. I like the detail of Shirley crossing her legs while talking to The Doctor, it shows that not everybody who requires a wheelchair is fully paralysed.
Spina bifida is a condition where the spinal cord can be exposed (and damaged) because of the spine not fully formed. It means that, even you doesn't suffer any form of paralysis, your spine is very fragile and using a wheelchair might be highly recommended
Frida Kahlo also had this condition
I have Spina Bifida, and it largely depends on the part of the spine that is affected. Mine was closer to the bottom than the top, so my legs work above the knee, but walking is extremely difficult (though still possible). Based on her physique and mannerisms, I would put her near the same level as me. But, Spina Bifida can go from full on quadriplegic to barely noticeable.
@@hannahsarthub very informative, thanks for sharing 🙂
Yeah, she's great and fab in Russell T Davies series 'Years in Years' which is this dystopian kinda sci fi show about a family/rise of populism. Worth a watch
All that matters is evil presents as a male from Star Wars First Order rather than on a life support machine that might be interpreted as wheelchair. Also, male presenting time lords suck at time lording.
Not for the crew or anyone who has gone in as totally blind as they have and wants to stay that way (including not even knowing Donna was back) but:
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Boy are they gonna be excited to find out Bernard Cribbins got some filming in before he died. I'm ready to absolutely sob my eyes out.
Really looking forward to their reaction :D
I want to and really really really fucking holy shit do not want to see that.
I do not want to cry but I will. I'm already tearing up thinking about it.
I hate you.
I love you. But I hate you.
only british people know how special doctor who is
They played a mix of 10 and 11s music which was awesome. Also the screwdriver is a mix of 10, 11 and 12… can’t help but think it’s foreshadowing something 👀
The Star Beast was originally a Doctor Who Magazine comic in about 1980-ish, written by the same writers as the comics 2000 AD, which is home to Judge Dredd.
Maybe the slow reveal of the Wrarth Warriors was for long time fans who were familiar with them, because Russell has gone on record to say as show writer, he considers every comic and side story in the expanded universe canon because he doesn’t want kids to read them and love them and have them not be acknowledged in the show.
I love that comic.
I'm glad they made an episode from it
Dredd predates this story.
Wilfs Actor did record some scenes before he passed and RTD said we'll see him.
8:15 Gonks are like gnomes but they are more like Christmasy so they have a pointy hat, a beard and a round nose, no eyes and you can get a variety so it’s not just Christmas. Highly recommended if you want something cute in your home or for the occasion.
6:35 “It looks like Gizmo - this is not going to end well” was my partner’s first response to the Meep too.
Other than the resolution of the Metacrisis (which I felt was weird and unnecessary; it being passed down and split was good enough explanation for me), this was really dang good. I was prepared to stop watching Doctor Who after that Sea Devils episode but when RTD came back I figured I'd give him a chance.
I totally agree. I loved the idea of Donna having a child and there being 2 hearts to share the metacrisis. I also loved the trans representation in the first half of the episode because it felt real and natural. At the end, it just became a bit ridiculous. It felt to preachy and they would've been better of leaving the final solution to the metacrisis for one of the other specials instead of rushing to end it all here
@@joevictor53 They also had to get rid of the knowledge, not just the timelord stuff. Because Donna being that smart would be too big an impact on stories. I mean it could work we had Romana and River Song. But they didn't want another person with timelord knowledge traveling with him.
My thoughts exactly.. I get the concept but I didn’t realize they could just “let it go”, that felt super Disney/ Frozen lol everything else was superb
@@joevictor53 I mean, it's no more preachy than Captain Jack was in 2005.
its way less subtle then captian Jack@@SorchaSublime
Wilf’s future scenes are gonna be so much more emotional now the Blind Wave team aren’t expecting it 😢
Tbh commenting this kind of ruins it
@@thecyborgrhino you think a channel that prides itself on reactions, surprises
and reveals don’t have a careful approach to comments? Bore off!
I just love that you guys had no idea Donna was in the episode. You went into the episode completely blind, and that must have been so refreshing and exciting, avoiding trailers is a lost art in 2023. Respect :)
Even though everyone is saying this: The Meep and The Wrarth Warriors are technically classic villains but were from the comic strip in the Doctor Who Weekly Magazine from the 70s and 80s as opposed to the TV show. This episode was an adaptation of the story they first appeared originally titled "Doctor Who and The Star Beast". Fudge was also a character in the original version.
Male presenting time lords are incompetent boobs.
Rachel Talalay directed this episode who also directed all 3 Capaldi Finales as well as his final story, which of course includes Heaven Sent the most well directed episode in the entire show.
That makes so much sense. It feels more like the avengers assembling to bring the magic back to doctor who
How did such a director manage to make such a shit episode as this one, then? Attack half the fanbase AND trans people in one sentence due to context? Has she hit her head or something?
i like the idea that the DoctorDonna required 2 hearts.
While certainly not perfect, The Star Beast was a warmly welcoming reintroduction to the whole show! David and Donna’s antics kept me laughing through and through, Meep is adorably evil, the story was so sweet with all the emotions surrounding Rose and the new TARDIS interior is one of the very best! A HUGE RETURN TO FORM! 😍💚
Binary Binary Binary destroyed me Q.Q Loved the humor in this episode, loved the new tardis! Loved your reaction!! Apparently David was like (paraphrasing) "i should run around like a kid in Disneyland when i see the new interior" and Russel was like ...."ok!" LOL
I loved a lot of this episode but I do have problems with the ending. The stuff with Rose early on in the episode was great. Showing the bullies deadnaming her, Donna and Sylvia's talk and Sylvia slipping up, Rose talking to the Meep about how she feels different. And I loved the fact that fact that Donna having a child allowed the metacrisis to be shared between 2 hearts. The binary/non-binary stuff was borderline for me but if that was it, I could've accepted it. But the ending with Donna and Rose just letting it go? That felt so lazy and cheap. This was a 15 year old problem that had no solution. The solution is just to let it go? And the unnecessary sexism as well. If you want to raise women up, you don't need to put men down. Also it doesn't work because the Doctor was just a woman a few hours ago so why didn't she tell Donna about how to fix this problem. They should've split the metacrisis between Donna and Rose but kept it in them for the following specials and maybe fixed it in the end. It was too much to fix everything in the first special
Have to agree for the most part - even as a queer person who doesn't mind a bit of camp msiandry. It just made no sense, the binary stuff was interesting but could have been written better (this is rtd the literal father of queer tv in the UK, he even wrote the original queer as folk - he could defo do better) as felt clunky and outdated. The male presenting/let it go element was borderline painful to watch, if we're going to go for a genderless doctor, which can be cool if done well, why reinforce gender binary's two second later. I was just so confused how Russell T Davies who wrote Queer as Folk, Cucumber, Years and Years etc forgot how to write lgbtq+ people well.
However (not your comment) there's so much anti-david tennant (for his vocal trans support) + anti 'wokery' online that outside of blind wave I'm going to have to defend an episode I didn't even think was that good aha
@@natasha7760 He didnt seem excited about this episode when he was describing them. He said this was the "family friendly" one, to then describe the other two as absolutely insane and unlike anything we've gotten before.
He must know it's a bad episode. If he doesn't, this show is fucked
this Tardis control room looks like a mixture of the "main" previous rooms. The basic white of classic WHO, Inclusive as 9/10s, multi leveled like 11, expansive as 12s and the lighting design of Jodie
FINALLY! I HAVE BEEN CHECKING THE CHANNEL CONSTANTLY WAITING FOR THIS!!
This was my first ever anything Doctor Who, and it was fantastic
Thank you guys so much for sticking with doctor who and reacting to this episode
This story was based on a comic from the Doctor Who weekly magazine from the 1970s. The Meep and the Wrarth Warriors were from that comic which is why they seem so classic.
As I’m from the U.K. a Gonk is more like a small gnome creature, although it’s more soft and made of fabric. It usually has a big pointy red hat, which completely covers its eyes. Obviously, like you guys, when someone mentions Gonks, I usually think more of the droids from Star Wars.😂
The part when David starts running around the tardís.
Was all David’s idea.
Russell t Davis said that as soon as David came on set and saw it he totally fanboyed out and said to Russell what about if I just run around the set like a little child at Disneyland.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS REACTION!
The Meep is from a Doctor Who comic book with The Fourth Doctor.
This is such amazing timing because I watched it just last night. Also it made me cry.
Oh and incase you're unaware, there are 3 60th specials (technically a miniseries more than specials) followed by the Christmas Special and then a proper 8 episode series next year.
As much as I love ALL of the modern Doctors, David Tennant is always going to be the first one I picture when I think of Doctor Who.
ALLONS-Y!!!
The actor who plays UNIT's Bingham was also in RTD's Years & Years. I neither she had Spina Bifida. She actually can walk but, not easily. We see her walk, briefly, in Y&Y.
The Meep & Wrarth Warriors come from a 1980 Doctor Who comic, predation E.T. & Gremlins.
* Meep gets yeeted *
me: "hail to the meep! hail to the most hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh!"
That was brilliant reaction! :o) Thank you!
My fav line: “damn you Meep!”
Regarding why he’s back, I think it’s just unfinished business. The 10th Doctor had his moment, or straight up saved, every person who was ever important to him during his victory lap- except for his best mate Donna. He left her worse off.
1:30 I agree about Jodie. They didn’t give her great stories to work off of. She did the best she could.
I am not as big of a fan as my wife, but I had a blast with this, and Tenant is my favorite doctor!
You know that this is adapted from a comic book story by Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons (he who later did the art for Watchmen) that appeared in 1980? They've done a really good job of realising Gibbons design for the Meep, the Wrarth Warriors, and even Meep's ship and escape pod. Rose's friend, Fudge, is also a character from the comics story. There's a behind-the-scenes video with Mills and Gibbons visiting the set. And David Tennant goes all fanboy and gets them to autograph his copy of the comic!
"I gave away all my money." has the same energy as "I've been dieting!"
Donna being saved by having a child was such a clever twist! And a callback to her saying binary.
This was such a fun episode for everyone who watched Heartstopper. 😄
I just realized the guys have never had to watch a Christmas Special Live. Does that mean we have to wait until after New Year's for that reaction?
Finally! Was wondering when you'd post this
I like how they say "you've got your old face back" like that should be obvious. Surely it wouldn't be surprising to see literally any of the Doctor's faces in any given order, given he's a time traveler. Like, the only doctor who couldn't show up at the current chronological point in time is the War Doctor, because he would most likely be unable to escape the time lock around the Time War.
Love, love, love this episode! And, as always, thrilled at your reactions! 💜💜➕🟦
I've watched every single Blind Wave Doctor Who reaction since series 1!! Been so excited for this for a while! Finally seeing David Tennant as the Doctor together at the same live time, feels weird. I have watched a few of the full length reactions for special episodes like 50th anniversary, has Patreon changed with how to view full length reactions, I wouldn't mind subscribing for a month to see the next few Doctor Who episodes up to the Christmas special. But Patreon looks different since I last used it.
I’ve never been more excited for a Doctor Who reaction on this channel.
In answer tomyour question, Gonks are a sort of gnome creature that originates from Scandinavian folklore about gnomes and little folk and such, Depicted as little hairy men with big hats, beards and big noses being their only facial features. Kinda like a less twee version of garden gnomes. Gonk figurines and dolls are becoming very popular Christmas decorations in England.
i doubt there will be a genuine reveal of why he turned back to "10" i think its just an emotional thing like with Capaldi where it was just him turning into him both to more show his "age" as in he is old and also to go back to Pompei to always remind him of that
The story of this special is adapted from a marvel comic book during the short period of time, where marvel made Doctor Who comics
Yessss I've been waiting for this
I don't care how out of left field the solution comes from, but damn, if it doesn't put a smile on my face, each time it happen in this show
Was waiting for this reaction! I loved seeing your Doctor Who reactions in the past!
I just rewatched this episode and noticed:
When Rose first meets the Meep and says "You can talk! Oh my god!" the Meep's reply according to the subtitles is "mm-hmm"...
"Correct, I am your god, now bow down puny mortal-- I mean... I'm a cutesy, I huwt ma paw..."
In Day of the Doctor the Tenth Doctor said he loved the round things.
And lo, they have returned with him.
The new TARDIS reminds me of the Eleventh Doctor's interior but with a cleaner design and, of course, the round things.
I loved that Special, i felt right at home, we got Donna back a sweet new Console Room, great writing with the humans actually being humans and not just being "there"
To answer your question, a gonk js kinda like an elf/gnome type thing that seems to have taken the UK by storm in recent years for Xmas decorations - I believe they are Scandinavian in origin however
That is popular in the US too. It really took off in the last couple years. It looks like Tomte, a Swedish House Elf.
A really good episode. Some moments are cheesy at worst, but its AWESOME at best. I really enjoyed watching it and Im expecting to see the next one.
Side note: In Latin America, we finally got a decent spanish dub for Doctor Who in this special. Before that, all the spanish dubs were horrible, which might explain why Doctor Who isnt known in this part of the world.
Let's not pretend the first RTD era wasn't often cheesy, part of it's charm now.
FINALLY, AND MELANIE IS BACK SO WE GET ALL 4 REACTIONS LETS GOOO
It was funny hearing Mel say, "I even cried!"
As if that was a high bar.
Rip Shane
@@carealoo744 pretty sure he has his own channel now idk if he uploads Dr who tho I haven't checked but ye that does suck lol
@@jeremy14o I mean honestly, I know this is mean to say, but if any of the original for reactors had to leave the Doctor Who reaction, Shane was probably the one- He never really seemed that engaged. The most reaction he would ever show was when his jaw would drop, but he wouldn't really say anything that often..:(
As a person in a wheelchair. Yes we have a multitude of weapons on and in our chairs at any point in time.
Great special. The only thing I found odd was the statement about a male presenting Timelord could never understand about letting go. In an episode where progressive inclusion is so pivotal, the weird borderline sexism was very off putting.
my only gripe is how donna and rose talk down to the doctor throughout, hes centuries old and they talk to him like hes a fucking teenager, other than that, i loved it
Like they said in the video, it was probably a fun little jab at Ten for never been able to let things go and just a little reference
@@dylanburton4955 yeah, but then specifically referencing the female doctor as someone who would understand, despite her being the doctor who was the most oblivious to everything going on around her, if they hadnt mentioned her specifically id have been fine with it, but that little reference felt forced and out of place
The episode was really good, lots of high points, editing, pacing, the cast 👍
I thibk the writing is a bit wonky when trying to show the LGBT parts, good messaging, bad writing for it in some parts but this doesnt ruin the whole episode of course
11:18 Here we can see the TV Meep looking at real MEEP in your room, hanging off the far right sword.
So good to have your reaction!
A non-spoiler fact you might like:
Beep The Meep is a classic villain... but not from the tv show, from the comics! This special is an adaptation of the 1980 comic strip The Star Beast written by Pat Mills and ilustrated by Dave Gibbons (the same as Watchmen!). The Wrath are also from that story.
Early in the episode the show makes a point about sensitivity towards sexism. Then climaxes in solving the decade old plot thread with the sentence "something a male presenting Doctor could never understand." Got it. Sexism is bad, unless we can imply weaknesses of men. Then it's awesome and inspiring.
i love how they had the new, slick tardis design...
and then immediately destroyed it a minute later
Thanks for keeping up such hype reactions to my favourite show
Been waiting for this video since sunday :)
One thing that immediately came to mind for me was The Empty Child 2 parter, where in The Doctor Dances the nano particles or whatever they were could correct themselves because they found the mother. I doubt the idea was intentional, but it felt like a nod back to that haha.
There was only 1 moment in this ep that I really didn't like and made me recoil, but most of it was fine and enjoyable. I know the "It killed me it killed me it killed me" from the Doc to Donna about Missing her got me emotional. Regardless of how good or bad people think this ep was, I have a feeling this ep will be made a lot better once we have all 3 specials together.
Nice to have Who back.
Love these characters / this regeneration!🤟🏻 my childhood came flooding back to me 🙈 looking forward to RTD’s second era coming up
I am currently wearing the same Doctor Who blue Tardis cardigan.
Just realized that when she says "you got your old face back", that doesn't make sense. How would she know he isn't the same Doctor with that face? He's a time traveler so they could see him with 20 different faces all mixed in and repeating at random to them.
I've been thinking, since it's only been like an hour for 14 when the episode starts, regeneration cycle is still working, wouldn't he himself have been fine if the soldiers shot him?
Like I get that Donna might not have, but he would.
Beep the meep was voiced by y Miriam Margolyes who played Mrs sprout in Harry Potter movies
Yeah, I feel the letting go part only really works being aimed to the Tenant's Doctor, and probably hinting to why that face and personality is back.
A Gonk in the U.K. is a thing you win at Fairs. It’s a Toilet Paper Tube covered in Fur and has Paper Eyes stuck on it.
The logo is actually the same as what it was in the 80s (just slightly more polished)
12:45 - Burritos and McNuggets
As a married man, a woman letting something go was the most fantastical thing in the special. Don't kill me in the comments!
Nah, it's funny watching some folk getting so wound up about that kind of thing in a TV show of all things
I like how the Tardis is skimming over the pinky purple stuff in the intro.
Oh I've been waiting for your guy's reaction to this episode.
This is gonna be brilliant.
So, in the words of an old friend...
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*Allons-y!!!*
Man, ngl I’ve been waiting to see your reaction to this for days now.
Yeah... I'm with the majority of the crew - Capaldi was my favorite of the new Doctors and I loved the Capaldi stories!
"The Boss" is the Celestial Toymaker, who is appearing in the 3rd Special.
The TARDIS did that on purpose. It knew Donna spilled coffee before so randomly puts a coffee machine there. It needed Donna to do that.
I have been patiently waiting for this reaction :D
Has anyone noticed when Donna was talking about something she lost she literally turned left?!
The Meep's voice reminds me of Frieza's and its escape pod looked like a saiyan pod.
The only line I Hated with this special was the line "a male presenting timelord" because it was said as somewhat of an insult, when earlier in the episode she had just been insulted for her gender by rude children cut that line or make it more comical and the episode is perfect, 10/10 will watch again and again
HELL YEAH IT'S TIME!!!! I'VE BEEN SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS
I SOBBED for at least half of the episode. It was so good. Perfect. No notes. ❤❤
Me too but not because it was good lol