The “he” is the killer, the “she” is the girl, the singer is Simon. He was in the middle ground between the two, she fell but he didn’t hear, he saw a shadow but no one was there, he accidentally left her and when the owl found her he was blamed for the death and the killer left free
I love reading others ways of interpreting this! I interpret the final version as the murderer sing it, stalking and watch Simon and the girl who went off to picnic. This song makes it sound like Simon is being interigated for the murder and telling the officer the story in song
Fun fact: This was supposed to be in Good & Evil, it makes me think they replaced this song with "Cannibal" probaly cuz it was too dark or because Joe was't satisfied
As much as I like the final version, “murder of murderers” makes it so much more clear what he means. No idea why it was changed to “murders of murderers”
orcinidae Yes, a group of crows is called a murder, which is why it makes more sense for the line to be “murder of murderers” instead of “murders of murderers”, as murders implies multiple groups of crows or something which is why it’s unclear it’s about crows
the murderer (id assume) would be insane, and the reason he murderered her was perhaps because he was scared of her murdering him, this is just a theory though.
This makes me think that there’s 2 or 3 people singing their accounts of what happened that night. 1 - Is the guy who found the woman 2 - Guy who was just wandering in the woods kinda watching the couple. 3 - A guard who possibly heard a murder happen Can’t figure out who the murderer is though, 1 or 2
@@parasitophobia “the mind electric” was originally called “inside the mind of simon”! instead of resident minor, the character was named simon. i don’t know which one here is simon though
I know this is a demo but I feel like it helps explain the original song a lot. I always assumed "How did they dare" is in reference to the girl and Erlking and that the man was on a search for her but this show that "they" is actually the original character. Really interesting!
I have no idea why the lyrics "evergreen falling that no one can hear" is so beautiful to me but it is, I wish they leaned more into this demo than they did in the final version.
@Alese Martin although nothing's been confirmed, there's a popular theory about our protag & a girl falling in love, but the girl is murdered & the protag is blamed for the incident (likely wrongfully so) & is put on trial. he is found guilty, & given electroshock therapy, which slowly drives him into madness. In an attempt to escape the torture, he sails away from everyone & everything, but gets lost at sea & dies. At the end, he reunites with the girl in the afterlife. A user named Scarlet Dreamer did an excellent job of deciphering the album & showing what event happens in each song. here is a comment they made explaining the story: Introduction to the Snow: the scene is set and we are introduced to the story. Isle Unto Thyself: the main character is introduced. Black Rainbows: The main character’s love interest is introduced. White Ball: Our main guy and the love interest meet and hit it off. Murders: Something happens to the love interest, either our main guy or someone else kills the girl and our protagonist is blamed for the crime. Space Station 7: The girl goes to the after life The Mind Electric: Our protagonist is put on trial, to try and get out of it scot free, he claims insanity, but this just makes things worse, because he is treated with electric therapy, making him actually go insane. Labyrinth: Protagonist is stuck thinking about everything he’s done, he feels trapped in and endless labyrinth. Time Machine: Protagonist begins to think about how badly he wants to go back to fix his mistakes. Stranded Lullaby: Somewhere in between Time Machine and now, our protagonist gets on a ship, going who knows where, and is now lost at sea. Dream Sweet in Sea Major: Story comes to an end when our protagonist is killed at sea by sirens, finally able to join his lover in the afterlife.
maybe he thinks he killed her out of his insanity, and he goes back in time to try stopping himself, but then he finds that “no one was there” and that she actually just killed herself, hints the “all for nothing at all”
I like to believe that Hawaii part two was made out of time machine murders and inside the mind of Simon and then Joe was like “ these songs feel like they could turn into a story” so he turned them into a story
when people think of "murders," they think of "all. for nothing at all. ALLLLLLLLL FOR NOTHING AT ALLLLLLL" BUT WHEN I THINK OF MURDERS, I THINK OF "I was in the middle ground, looking to find the fountain of infinite mirror! evergreen falling that no one can hear. shadow of nobody there! murder of murderers living in fear of it!"
This version sounds more like you're the person living out the song, the original sounds like you're hearing the story of it for the first time, but you're a little kid so you let your imagination go wild and create all of these extra theories.
When he first says “I was in the middle ground looking to find the” and the next line sounds as if he was going to say something else, but he caught himself and immediately changed the story. “Flowers in the garden” It sounds more tense (?) and the other lines that end with “fountain of infinite mirror” sounds more connected (or natural flow? idk) to the line before ( “I was in the middle ground looking to find the”), like that’s what he was originally about to say the first time.
main reason is probs bc this one uses solely first person pronouns rather than a mix of first and third ones theres an interpretation that i agree with where with the first pre-chorus, its simon trying to push back the urge to kill her, so it cuts abruptly instead of continuing onto the chorus with this demo it feels alot more like thats the intention since hes hes cutting himself off where in the final hes being cut off by the narrator
I think overall I enjoy this version more than the actual one, BUT I highly prefer the other version of the 'how they came to be' part, at 1:56 ish. This version of that line is a bit boring comparatively
I've only noticed that the original says he but In the demo it says I, tbh I love listening to the demos, and listen to the demos so many times, so I've only noticed that the original isn't in first person 😢
Even though this is so good, i could see why joe didn't want this to be final. Its just....too soft for something to be a big reveal such as his lover being dead
im pretty new to listening to miracle musical, but this is definitely one of my favorites. i cant stand listening to the final version for some reason, i just really hate it and its probably my least favorite song of theirs, untill i found this demo and i cant stop listening to it. by far better than the final release
*smacks head on piano*
*Smacks head on piano too*
*Smacks piano on head*
*smacks whole body on piano*
*smacks whole universe on piano*
*Smacks head on a time machine, waiting forever*
I always wondered how the first person fit in with “he” in the original. It’s interesting that this version is all first person.
it’s like the final version is after he died and someone was telling a story of him
I think they changed it to make it more clear it’s a false confession. Idk
@@insertcleverwriterpennameh4644 false confession?
The “he” is the killer, the “she” is the girl, the singer is Simon. He was in the middle ground between the two, she fell but he didn’t hear, he saw a shadow but no one was there, he accidentally left her and when the owl found her he was blamed for the death and the killer left free
I love reading others ways of interpreting this! I interpret the final version as the murderer sing it, stalking and watch Simon and the girl who went off to picnic. This song makes it sound like Simon is being interigated for the murder and telling the officer the story in song
we just gonna ignore how amazing the “all for nothing at all” lines sound?
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i really, REALLY like this demo. Its really interesting how "i" was switched to "he" in the final version
YOU!!! YOU YOU YOU!!! YOU LIKE THIS AND WILL WOOD?!??!!!?!?!?!!??!!?
@@dead_acc_t ME!!! YES HELLO I DO LIKE THIS & MR. WOOD :))
@@resident_simon YESYES REAL
@@dead_acc_t REAL!!
It sounds more like he's telling his story, instead of it sounding like he's being prosecuted in the released song
HOLY SHIT THE "ooo" AT 2:58 SOUNDS LIKE THE CHOIR IN THE MIND ELECTRIC OMG MY GOD
oh my god my god
It's the start of his insanity
PEAK
Whenever I hear any rendition of Murders, I always think of Simon from Lord of the Flies.
that is incredibly interesting as the murderer or atleast the accused of murder is actually named Simon
I wonder whats going on inside the mind of simon
honestly I think the whole album would kinda fit into Lord of the Flies
@@milkmanmcgee6683 could be a possible influence? The whole book takes place on an island and Hawaii is an island. Could be a stretch though.
@@ampersandKnuckles Im gonna sound like a nerd but Hawaii is a chain of islands
Fun fact: This was supposed to be in Good & Evil, it makes me think they replaced this song with "Cannibal" probaly cuz it was too dark or because Joe was't satisfied
I'm glad it wasn't, I love both cannibal and murders but murders deserve to be in a different album than good & evil
He thought this was too dark, so he chose CANNIBAL???
@197inch3wheelelectricforklift if you take murders' meaning, then yeah, it makes sense
As much as I like the final version, “murder of murderers” makes it so much more clear what he means. No idea why it was changed to “murders of murderers”
Death by Proxy i think its like, “murders” as in a group of crows, so its like a weird play on words?
orcinidae Yes, a group of crows is called a murder, which is why it makes more sense for the line to be “murder of murderers” instead of “murders of murderers”, as murders implies multiple groups of crows or something which is why it’s unclear it’s about crows
@@DeathbyProxy until I heard this version i didn't get that it meant crows
That's why; so there's no clear meaning. He wants us to come up with a meaning, not follow his personal meaning.
the murderer (id assume) would be insane, and the reason he murderered her was perhaps because he was scared of her murdering him, this is just a theory though.
Old joe demos feel like he recorded it while desperately trying not to wake up his parents
YESS I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS WHEN LISTENING NOW LOL
thanks a lot now im gonna think of this everytime i listen to a demo 😭🙏
damn 24 murders thats a lot
yeah
Wait till he seems 26 Murders
Lol
This makes me think that there’s 2 or 3 people singing their accounts of what happened that night.
1 - Is the guy who found the woman
2 - Guy who was just wandering in the woods kinda watching the couple.
3 - A guard who possibly heard a murder happen
Can’t figure out who the murderer is though, 1 or 2
Simon is the murderer
@@latedawns1797 which one is Simon??? Huh???
@@parasitophobia “the mind electric” was originally called “inside the mind of simon”!
instead of resident minor, the character was named simon. i don’t know which one here is simon though
@@artsysundae ooh! Ty for info!
@@parasitophobia no problem!
I like to think that simon is in heaven with a microphone recording the music and releasing it to Spotify
I know this is a demo but I feel like it helps explain the original song a lot. I always assumed "How did they dare" is in reference to the girl and Erlking and that the man was on a search for her but this show that "they" is actually the original character. Really interesting!
i think the erlking is the girl
that “living in fear of it” is extremely sexy
I love both versions honestly such a good song
i agree so much, i love these demos with more raw voices... its so incredibly sexy i love them
Wtf.
Damn Joe simps found in the wild
Damn, somebody even more down bad that me, what a rarity to find in the wild
What.
It sounds off with the "tree falling, no one would hear" replaced but other than that I can't decide between this and what we got in the end
Nebula it sounds like “evergreen falling that no one could hear” to me, idk though
@@LambSeed i think thats what it is
it's "evergreen falling that no one could hear" btw
@@LambSeed yeah that's it
@@Celestial_TaterTot I think OP is speaking about the final version but also I could be missing something
I have no idea why the lyrics "evergreen falling that no one can hear" is so beautiful to me but it is, I wish they leaned more into this demo than they did in the final version.
Chronologically, This is before he died and went back in time to see himself murder (original)
Alese Martin the legend says no nobody knows
You made that up
Deyana Woolley yes.
@Alese Martin although nothing's been confirmed, there's a popular theory about our protag & a girl falling in love, but the girl is murdered & the protag is blamed for the incident (likely wrongfully so) & is put on trial. he is found guilty, & given electroshock therapy, which slowly drives him into madness. In an attempt to escape the torture, he sails away from everyone & everything, but gets lost at sea & dies. At the end, he reunites with the girl in the afterlife.
A user named Scarlet Dreamer did an excellent job of deciphering the album & showing what event happens in each song. here is a comment they made explaining the story:
Introduction to the Snow: the scene is set and we are introduced to the story.
Isle Unto Thyself: the main character is introduced.
Black Rainbows: The main character’s love interest is introduced.
White Ball: Our main guy and the love interest meet and hit it off.
Murders: Something happens to the love interest, either our main guy or someone else kills the girl and our protagonist is blamed for the crime.
Space Station 7: The girl goes to the after life
The Mind Electric: Our protagonist is put on trial, to try and get out of it scot free, he claims insanity, but this just makes things worse, because he is treated with electric therapy, making him actually go insane.
Labyrinth: Protagonist is stuck thinking about everything he’s done, he feels trapped in and endless labyrinth.
Time Machine: Protagonist begins to think about how badly he wants to go back to fix his mistakes.
Stranded Lullaby: Somewhere in between Time Machine and now, our protagonist gets on a ship, going who knows where, and is now lost at sea.
Dream Sweet in Sea Major: Story comes to an end when our protagonist is killed at sea by sirens, finally able to join his lover in the afterlife.
maybe he thinks he killed her out of his insanity, and he goes back in time to try stopping himself, but then he finds that “no one was there” and that she actually just killed herself, hints the “all for nothing at all”
I love this demo so much because it sounds kind of like a music box at the climax
2:57 this may or may not be the most beautiful thing I've ever heard
RIGHTTT OMG
The "murder of murderers living in fear of it" is so good I'm screaming
2:56 yes.
*FROOT FELL VELO*
*BELOW**
@@eX1st4132 *VELU**
the way he said “fruut” had me dead
I prefer this to the final version
1:34 and on just strokes my brain with a feather duster ❤️🧠
24 murders!? That's a LOT
I like to believe that Hawaii part two was made out of time machine murders and inside the mind of Simon and then Joe was like “ these songs feel like they could turn into a story” so he turned them into a story
Thank you for uploading this album!
that "la la la" gets me so hard lol
I love how it sound like a "la la la" but it actually say the lover
🤨
I had a dream this was playing over my school intercom
Oh shit
Not good
Thats how a horror movie starts
Damn he murdered that piano...
THIS IS SUCH AN UNDERRATED DEMO
Never knew piano could sound this aggressive
when people think of "murders," they think of "all. for nothing at all. ALLLLLLLLL FOR NOTHING AT ALLLLLLL" BUT WHEN I THINK OF MURDERS, I THINK OF "I was in the middle ground, looking to find the fountain of infinite mirror! evergreen falling that no one can hear. shadow of nobody there! murder of murderers living in fear of it!"
Aaaaa i love how this one sounds SO MUCH MORE like a confession like the final!
0:10 the lol
As much as I love the ending ‘all for nothing at all’ the ending in this demo gave me CHILLS
hhnnggg the whistling >>>
I like the whistling in the bridge I wish that was kept
me too
This version sounds more like you're the person living out the song, the original sounds like you're hearing the story of it for the first time, but you're a little kid so you let your imagination go wild and create all of these extra theories.
misery fell on the- oh.
This feels like the middle school emo era of murders b4 the badass song in part ii
*_E V E R G R E E N F A L L I N G T H A T N O O N E C A N H E A R_*
When he first says “I was in the middle ground looking to find the” and the next line sounds as if he was going to say something else, but he caught himself and immediately changed the story. “Flowers in the garden” It sounds more tense (?) and the other lines that end with “fountain of infinite mirror” sounds more connected (or natural flow? idk) to the line before ( “I was in the middle ground looking to find the”), like that’s what he was originally about to say the first time.
that's a lot of murders
Evergreen falling that no one can hear 🔥🔥🔥 *IM ASCENDING*
bro i saw u earlier wtf
@@pokerations I’m everywhere 😈😈😈😈😈😈
@@pokerations also I comment on like almost all tally hall things so yeah 😃
@@pokerations Hang on a minute I saw YOU earlier too 😨
*lover*
THE ALL FOR NOTHING AT ALL PART IS SO SCARY COMPARED TO THE FINAL ANAJJSKSJS
HOLY SHIT THIS SLAPS SO HARD TF??1?2?2!
2:55 for people who wanted the "all for nothing at all" part
idk if thia is just me but this version makes it seem like he (simon) did kill her
main reason is probs bc this one uses solely first person pronouns rather than a mix of first and third ones
theres an interpretation that i agree with where with the first pre-chorus, its simon trying to push back the urge to kill her, so it cuts abruptly instead of continuing onto the chorus
with this demo it feels alot more like thats the intention since hes hes cutting himself off where in the final hes being cut off by the narrator
I think overall I enjoy this version more than the actual one, BUT I highly prefer the other version of the 'how they came to be' part, at 1:56 ish. This version of that line is a bit boring comparatively
Murders of midi living in fear of it!
again, simon says "I was in the forest" and not HE i think that talk about another one sound better for the revelation of he killing Stella idk
this is my favorite
one thing i notice about these demos is that they use a lot more first person pronouns while the finished album uses a lot of the second person
third*
yeah i failed english😅
of course he has red tie and pronouns
I've only noticed that the original says he but In the demo it says I, tbh I love listening to the demos, and listen to the demos so many times, so I've only noticed that the original isn't in first person 😢
Even though this is so good, i could see why joe didn't want this to be final. Its just....too soft for something to be a big reveal such as his lover being dead
2:50 for me :)
why did he eat that up..
bcz he's joe hawley duh
Perhaps he was hungry? I don't believe the forest will have much fruit left if the trees aren't there.
Spoken from the murder
What do you guys think 24 means in the title?
it's the 24th song in hawaii part ii part ii
@@darkbrumoment oh, sorry I'm not that bright lol
oh my god this is SO MUCH BETTER than the actual song
yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuYYYAYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY
LOLOLOL I HATE HIM AND LOVE HIM AHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
GOD ME TOO
Why would you hate him?
@@tweer64 he's transphobic, among other things.
@@amphorism dont care
@@nihl2204 cool but if you really didn't care you wouldn't have replied lololol
3:00
2:50
nicee
WHY DOES THIS HAVE 7 DISLIKES???????
Because some people are lame 🙄
they were murdered
It was the Lorax, who hath come to speak for the trees, but none were there.
I don't like how sad he sounds it makes me sad.
im pretty new to listening to miracle musical, but this is definitely one of my favorites. i cant stand listening to the final version for some reason, i just really hate it and its probably my least favorite song of theirs, untill i found this demo and i cant stop listening to it. by far better than the final release
I was in the forest
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