Thanks for the video. Scott, not once did you crowd the ball like you demonstrated in your rally with Nate . You were around 3 feet away every time. I'm a baseline hugger and I take the ball on rise on nearly every ball. The technique I use basically a shortened stroke like a service return but with more topspin for balls hit with pace. If it;s a rally ball, you can use your normal stroke but in every instance, timing is critical so you really have to watch the ball come off the ground. Most of the time, I don't hit a fast ball back but I get enough pace, like a rally ball, so that my opponent is late to the ball and I'm a great position for the next shot.
I didn't see any crowding of the ball in the rally. Looked like normal ground strokes, not taking on the rise except for the one ball that landed near the baseline.
In the rallies, it’s more like he is taking the ball at the apex in the second session, whereas he is letting it drop in the first session. I think taking the ball at the apex of the bounce is a good way of practicing taking the ball earlier for many players, and it already has some of the desired effect. Once you master taking the ball at the apex, then you can gradually train taking it earlier and earlier.
I agree but to be fair, you don’t need to take it in the rise unless it comes to the back of the court. For the majority of the rally, Nate was hitting it shorter and not as deep which made it so Scott didn’t have to really take it on the rise except for that one shot on the baseline
Amazing! This is SUPER important to know even if you're just starting to play tennis, it's gonna make you hit almost any ball in a comfortable way... thank you!! Greetings from Chile
i think you can train hitting the ball on the rise in different situations too,when you have advantage in the point and you attackin the ball usually the opponent gives you a dead high ball on inside the T side you need to learn how to take the ball on the rise and not wait because the opponent get back or just there are a lot of dead balls that are high without speed and you need to hit the ball with open stance or semi-open i thought at the beginning that this video would be about this.
My doubles partner has told me to take the ball on the rise but I never really understood what he was talking about until I watched your video. Thanks.
Learning how to hit on the rise especially with my 1 handed backhand to avoid hitting tough weak high backhand shots & what's shown here. Or I would back off too far from baseline opponent could just end the point with a simple drop shot, don't wanna do that . . I feel backhand side is easier than forehand so far due to shorter backswing but both sides need a lot of work & getting better on my timing now. Great tips 😎 !!
Leo Catman thanks for watching and the kind words. Attached below are several vids we’ve done on the inside-out forehand. Hope they help. th-cam.com/video/IAfDPa-k5wE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/y0smgdr9LGQ/w-d-xo.html
I am somewhere between a 3.5 and 4.0 but I know i dont hit the ball on the rise enough. I think especially when given high penetrating balls I need to be able to master this skill
This technique of getting the front foot to the bounce of the ball seemed to work great, but this is only for a moonball type shot surely as you demonstrated, and not for a heavy topspin shot. Later on when returning the heavy topspins, you were around 15 ft from the bounce which I would say is hardly taking it early. at 6.25 the ball bounced in the service box and you were positioned behind the baseline?
Tony Higginson fair assessment but one simply can’t take every ball off the short hop. Taking the ball that early is resigned to balls struck deep in the court or a short ball that we have already moved forward on. We often think of OTR as just off the bounce but it also applies to taking the ball before it reaches the apex of its bounce. This is what separates it from a shape and denotes it as a drive. Interesting note, this idea is exactly what makes Nadal’s ball so difficult. If his ball always bounced deep everyone would simply take it on the rise. It’s the fact that his ball falls shorter in the court and still has the RPM’s (high bounce) that forces the opponent to take it above the shoulder that makes his forehand so devastating. Thanks for the feedback Tony!
hi guys, thank you, it makes sense what you explain, but yesterday i experienced some trouble with an opponent who shot really very hard and with a lot of spin on my backhand (ball landing near baseline) and i found it extremely difficult to answer to that by taking the ball early. i missed much more shots or i placed them poorly. i still wonder how to answer to those heavy balls i must say, but i will try to do like you show in the video. saludos from germany
Hi, thanks for the feedback. Heavy topspin can be tough to take early on any shot but especially on the backhand wing. By chance you have a one hander this can pose an even more difficult situation. Don't worry though, in time with practice it will get easier. The key on the backhand is to make sure you catch it before the ball gets above your shoulder. It's ideal to catch it around the hips for optimal pace and spin potential. Keep grinding out there and let us know how it progresses! Thanks for watching!
Most often we'll find that we're stepping in with the front foot when taking the ball on the rise. You can take it OTR with an open stance as well but it tends to not be as aggressive as a closed stance due to the weight transfer. The main goal on the open stance is to get your outside foot behind the ball. Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the feedback Eddy! We actually have several videos on anticipation on our website, hope you check them out! We are however working on a larger idea to accelerate the process of anticipation for recreational players so that it closer resembles the anticipation of a professional player. Stay tuned!
I can’t go giving away alllll of our secrets Michael 😎😉. A video is coming out very soon all about the heavy ball though. I’ll give you the trailer though, it’s about creating leverage / force to the ball. Racquet head speed and shape up the ball is critical in producing maximum RPM’s.
Taking ball early , earlier or half volley , is made a lot more effective if one has a haevy raquet. "Plough Through" ? Could you lads explain and promote the use of the heaviest raquet you cam muster. Its why the pro's look so effortless and why they have one massive forearm !!
Concur! The plow of a racquet definitely helps taking the ball early. We have a video coming out soon all about the benefits and differences of racquet weight etc. Keep tour 👀 out for it! Thanks for the feedback Dai Kayll.
yes, a reasonably heavy racket if you can swing it well is great, but the reason it would help here is he is just hitting more of a half-volley when he puts his foot up close like that and not a true on the rise groundstroke. This was very thin on the "when" to do this.
@@Playyourcourt i use the Wilson Pro Staff 90 RF...looking to get a 95 or 97...more forgiving... You guys are great...love your channel...when i get serious...and our weather gets better in PA...i def upgrade to get some private lessons from you...i am stuck at 4.0...and want to get higher...
Would love to help ya with some lessons, I’m sure we could get you to a 4.5 in no time! Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully the weather warms up in PA soon and you can get back on the courts.
Hi, at first I thought that you blokes were monotonous yanks. But, realising that you both know your tennis I have persevered and: you're funny and I love the hidden competition (beard and hair styles comp.)
Hahaha “monotonous yanks” may be my favorite description of us to date. Thanks for preserving David. Scott and I take pride in not just our playing pedigree but more importantly in our coaching. As a Uspta Elite coach, Usta High performance coach, and the head of a High Performance Academy we work hard to provide the newest and most reliable information we can. That was long winded wasn’t it..that was that monotonous thing you were talking about. 😤🤭😑 ugh. Thanks for watching David!
We’re definitely starting to use slow-mo a lot more frequently. Missed the boat on this one unfortunately 🙃. Thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed the instruction!
I was taught to change my stance to an open stance for all around better recovery time. Hitting the ball on the rise could be considered a risky shot… but if practiced regularly it’s remarkable to steal that time from someone who’s hitting the ball real high.
A better title for this might be "Hit the ball on the rise whenever you can." There's more risk because the shot is more difficult to control, but the payoffs are obvious.
For me this video was very helpful . It explains what was happening to me when I was playing - I continuously moved back to find the strike zone and found myself out place- hitting on the rise definitely will help my game , will need to practice though.
Sounds like you have a great blueprint for your very own TH-cam channel 😉. To be fair this video is relatively old and we've changed our format quite a bit since then. Check out our new stuff and let us know what you think!
My platform is non existent. Lol. I wasn’t trying to insult although I get your reply. That said I have a ton of content that’s hidden. Along my journey I’ve learned that in a more effective coach when I do three things. 1) Show 2) Tell 3) Correct I usually demonstrate the technique “sans” words. Then I explain how to do it and then I correct it. I try to keep my video demos and teaching aids short. Here’s the thing, personally I don’t need all the verbiage. Others do. So my technique is to make a short video with bullet point type demo then I offer more for those that need it. I enjoy your info. I just don’t want to wait so long for the visual. My two cents. Didn’t mean to offend.
Thanks for the video. Scott, not once did you crowd the ball like you demonstrated in your rally with Nate . You were around 3 feet away every time. I'm a baseline hugger and I take the ball on rise on nearly every ball. The technique I use basically a shortened stroke like a service return but with more topspin for balls hit with pace. If it;s a rally ball, you can use your normal stroke but in every instance, timing is critical so you really have to watch the ball come off the ground. Most of the time, I don't hit a fast ball back but I get enough pace, like a rally ball, so that my opponent is late to the ball and I'm a great position for the next shot.
Watch the video again lol
I didn't see any crowding of the ball in the rally. Looked like normal ground strokes, not taking on the rise except for the one ball that landed near the baseline.
I noticed the same.
Benjamin Koh Wanted to disagree with you but you're right
In the rallies, it’s more like he is taking the ball at the apex in the second session, whereas he is letting it drop in the first session. I think taking the ball at the apex of the bounce is a good way of practicing taking the ball earlier for many players, and it already has some of the desired effect. Once you master taking the ball at the apex, then you can gradually train taking it earlier and earlier.
I agree but to be fair, you don’t need to take it in the rise unless it comes to the back of the court. For the majority of the rally, Nate was hitting it shorter and not as deep which made it so Scott didn’t have to really take it on the rise except for that one shot on the baseline
I was thinking the exact same thing.
OMG that's the tips I was searching. Thx so much
No problem! Glad we could help!
I like to hit on the rise, but I have had difficulties doing it. It was good to learn and see from Scott’s demonstrations. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Great strategy, I'd apply this to improve my game!
Thank ya sir, hope it helps!
Amazing! This is SUPER important to know even if you're just starting to play tennis, it's gonna make you hit almost any ball in a comfortable way... thank you!! Greetings from Chile
Thanks for the feedback Johnny! Glad you found the tip helpful. 😃
Thank you for talking abt the footwork. I think that was what had me confused!
Happy to help Maggie!
very useful info, thanks
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching. 👊
i think you can train hitting the ball on the rise in different situations too,when you have advantage in the point and you attackin the ball usually the opponent gives you a dead high ball on inside the T side you need to learn how to take the ball on the rise and not wait because the opponent get back or just there are a lot of dead balls that are high without speed and you need to hit the ball with open stance or semi-open i thought at the beginning that this video would be about this.
Execellent tutorial
It points out my main problem why I lost matches
Thank you guys!
@Mathew Wong our pleasure, always happy to help. 🤙🏼
My doubles partner has told me to take the ball on the rise but I never really understood what he was talking about until I watched your video. Thanks.
Happy to help my man!
Learning how to hit on the rise especially with my 1 handed backhand to avoid hitting tough weak high backhand shots & what's shown here. Or I would back off too far from baseline opponent could just end the point with a simple drop shot, don't wanna do that . . I feel backhand side is easier than forehand so far due to shorter backswing but both sides need a lot of work & getting better on my timing now. Great tips 😎 !!
Thank ys sir, glad you enjoyed it!
Good video, thanks! Can you show how to hit inside-outside forehand crosscourt shot that all pros use to finish a point? Do they use a side spin?
Leo Catman thanks for watching and the kind words. Attached below are several vids we’ve done on the inside-out forehand. Hope they help.
th-cam.com/video/IAfDPa-k5wE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/y0smgdr9LGQ/w-d-xo.html
This is very helpful
Glad to hear you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Very helpful video, thanks.
I am somewhere between a 3.5 and 4.0 but I know i dont hit the ball on the rise enough. I think especially when given high penetrating balls I need to be able to master this skill
This technique of getting the front foot to the bounce of the ball seemed to work great, but this is only for a moonball type shot surely as you demonstrated, and not for a heavy topspin shot. Later on when returning the heavy topspins, you were around 15 ft from the bounce which I would say is hardly taking it early. at 6.25 the ball bounced in the service box and you were positioned behind the baseline?
Tony Higginson fair assessment but one simply can’t take every ball off the short hop. Taking the ball that early is resigned to balls struck deep in the court or a short ball that we have already moved forward on. We often think of OTR as just off the bounce but it also applies to taking the ball before it reaches the apex of its bounce. This is what separates it from a shape and denotes it as a drive. Interesting note, this idea is exactly what makes Nadal’s ball so difficult. If his ball always bounced deep everyone would simply take it on the rise. It’s the fact that his ball falls shorter in the court and still has the RPM’s (high bounce) that forces the opponent to take it above the shoulder that makes his forehand so devastating. Thanks for the feedback Tony!
I learned this at nick boletieri tennis camp. This is how Andre Agassi became a successful aggressive baseliner
That it is! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video
Shaun Gilbert thank you, we appreciate you watching!
Excellent video !!!!
hi guys, thank you, it makes sense what you explain, but yesterday i experienced some trouble with an opponent who shot really very hard and with a lot of spin on my backhand (ball landing near baseline) and i found it extremely difficult to answer to that by taking the ball early. i missed much more shots or i placed them poorly. i still wonder how to answer to those heavy balls i must say, but i will try to do like you show in the video. saludos from germany
Hi, thanks for the feedback. Heavy topspin can be tough to take early on any shot but especially on the backhand wing. By chance you have a one hander this can pose an even more difficult situation. Don't worry though, in time with practice it will get easier. The key on the backhand is to make sure you catch it before the ball gets above your shoulder. It's ideal to catch it around the hips for optimal pace and spin potential. Keep grinding out there and let us know how it progresses! Thanks for watching!
@@Playyourcourt wow, thanks for your answer, i will try it
Always :)
Coolest, most badass way to troll your opponent.
What about foot placement when taking shots on the rise in open stance?
Most often we'll find that we're stepping in with the front foot when taking the ball on the rise. You can take it OTR with an open stance as well but it tends to not be as aggressive as a closed stance due to the weight transfer. The main goal on the open stance is to get your outside foot behind the ball. Hope this helps!
Good stuff 👍
what is the best strike zone for drive volley and on the rise forehand? is it chest level or stomach level?
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What if my opponent and/or partner know the advantages of taking the ball early and/or hitting on the rise?
If you do it well enough it won't matter! 😉
Can you guys please consider showing us on improving anticipation. Thanks in advance
Thanks for the feedback Eddy! We actually have several videos on anticipation on our website, hope you check them out! We are however working on a larger idea to accelerate the process of anticipation for recreational players so that it closer resembles the anticipation of a professional player. Stay tuned!
You guys explain things so clearly and simply...great job. Can you do a video on handling the dreaded no pace balls?
How do you hit a heavy ball?
I can’t go giving away alllll of our secrets Michael 😎😉. A video is coming out very soon all about the heavy ball though. I’ll give you the trailer though, it’s about creating leverage / force to the ball. Racquet head speed and shape up the ball is critical in producing maximum RPM’s.
Taking ball early , earlier or half volley , is made a lot more effective if one has a haevy raquet. "Plough Through" ? Could you lads explain and promote the use of the heaviest raquet you cam muster. Its why the pro's look so effortless and why they have one massive forearm !!
Concur! The plow of a racquet definitely helps taking the ball early. We have a video coming out soon all about the benefits and differences of racquet weight etc. Keep tour 👀 out for it! Thanks for the feedback Dai Kayll.
yes, a reasonably heavy racket if you can swing it well is great, but the reason it would help here is he is just hitting more of a half-volley when he puts his foot up close like that and not a true on the rise groundstroke. This was very thin on the "when" to do this.
what racquet does nate use thanks
Looks like one of the versions of Babolat Pure Strike
Pure Strike Vs Tour! Solid racquet if you like a bit of weight to your swing! Thanks for the question Michael!
What rackets do you guys use..
Nate uses a Babolat Pure Strike Vs Tour & Scott uses a Wilson 2x4. Lol
Scott uses the Wilson Pro Staff RF 97 autograph. (Super heavy)
@@Playyourcourt i use the Wilson Pro Staff 90 RF...looking to get a 95 or 97...more forgiving...
You guys are great...love your channel...when i get serious...and our weather gets better in PA...i def upgrade to get some private lessons from you...i am stuck at 4.0...and want to get higher...
Would love to help ya with some lessons, I’m sure we could get you to a 4.5 in no time! Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully the weather warms up in PA soon and you can get back on the courts.
PlayYourCourt.com i still go back to my Dunlop 2hundres 4D tour. You must think it is a 6x8!
🤣...definitely a club!
I got a hilarious ad from your own website on your own video lmao
+Domm772 we’re evvvvverywhere
😱👽 (said in menacing voice followed by evil laughter). Glad you enjoyed the ad!
Hi, at first I thought that you blokes were monotonous yanks. But, realising that you both know your tennis I have persevered and: you're funny and I love the hidden competition (beard and hair styles comp.)
Hahaha “monotonous yanks” may be my favorite description of us to date. Thanks for preserving David. Scott and I take pride in not just our playing pedigree but more importantly in our coaching. As a Uspta Elite coach, Usta High performance coach, and the head of a High Performance Academy we work hard to provide the newest and most reliable information we can. That was long winded wasn’t it..that was that monotonous thing you were talking about. 😤🤭😑 ugh. Thanks for watching David!
It would be great if the example was a slow mo, other than that it was great
We’re definitely starting to use slow-mo a lot more frequently. Missed the boat on this one unfortunately 🙃. Thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed the instruction!
Yea of course you guys have helped my game so much. Keep up the good work.
Munchi munch can watch it at 0.25x
Vaibhav Saxena yea, but it’s still not the same quality if you get what I’m saying
Looks like practicing a half volley in the first demo vs on the rise.
In what instances should we NOT hit the ball on the rise? Also, do you always hit the on the rise ball in a neutral stance?
I was taught to change my stance to an open stance for all around better recovery time. Hitting the ball on the rise could be considered a risky shot… but if practiced regularly it’s remarkable to steal that time from someone who’s hitting the ball real high.
Naomi osaka=rising ball.
A better title for this might be "Hit the ball on the rise whenever you can." There's more risk because the shot is more difficult to control, but the payoffs are obvious.
Chaps, good tips, but; any chance of some metric and baseball terms and analogies are probably very appropriate in America but in the Europe, hmmmm.
David Morrison definitely a fair point. We’ll keep that in mind moving forward. Thanks for the feedback. 👍🏼🍻
You did NOT hit ball on a rise.
Nathan did NOT push you out of the court. You just stopped moving ))
Camon!
Ruslan Polutsygan umm was this a question?
@@Playyourcourt Not, it wasn't. No worries
can't see the difference.
i ll never say im ntrp3.0 again...
literally pointless to have your own rating system
This is so bad
@ATA 2012 Bad as in like Awesome 😎 ?
For me this video was very helpful . It explains what was happening to me when I was playing - I continuously moved back to find the strike zone and found myself out place- hitting on the rise definitely will help my game , will need to practice though.
Agh, too much talking lol
tooooo much talking. 3 full minutes before any kind of demo
Sorry guys, absolutely waisted time on this video you made
Oh no, that’s devastating to hear
Too much talking. Make a point then show a clip.
Sounds like you have a great blueprint for your very own TH-cam channel 😉. To be fair this video is relatively old and we've changed our format quite a bit since then. Check out our new stuff and let us know what you think!
My platform is non existent. Lol. I wasn’t trying to insult although I get your reply.
That said I have a ton of content that’s hidden. Along my journey I’ve learned that in a more effective coach when I do three things.
1) Show
2) Tell
3) Correct
I usually demonstrate the technique “sans” words.
Then I explain how to do it and then I correct it.
I try to keep my video demos and teaching aids short.
Here’s the thing, personally I don’t need all the verbiage. Others do. So my technique is to make a short video with bullet point type demo then I offer more for those that need it.
I enjoy your info. I just don’t want to wait so long for the visual.
My two cents. Didn’t mean to offend.
They're not even hitting on the rise lol
Good video, thanks! Can you show how to hit inside-outside forehand crosscourt shot that all pros use to finish a point? Do they use a side spin?
If you’re hitting a forehand inside out from your left side of the court, hit the ball a little late than you usually would