4 Mistakes EVERY New Adventure Rider Makes OFF-ROAD!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2022
- If you are new to adventure motorcycle riding, off-road riding in general, here are the 4 most common mistakes I see beginner riders make. Avoid these and you will have a great start in building confidence and skill when riding off-road!
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New Rider Advice: Slow down, sit down when you can, enjoy the scenery, enjoy the ride, the trail is not an enemy to be attacked or defeated it is simply a path that needs to be negotiated. You aren't riding the Dakar. Edited for typos.
Agreed, I learnt this hard way even as an experienced rider. We are not racing, we are living the adventure 🤘
100%
I learned 48 years ago, momentum is your friend, bikes want to stay up at speed, slow down and you crash. Not racing, but must be fast enough for counter steering to work. At 60, still on my KTM 500 XCW and loving it. Front tire is key, don't let get too worn, and be very careful of front brake. When in doubt, twist it and get front end light.
@@boscomoroz326Slow crash isn't as bad as speed crash though.
There's a big difference in crawling in fear than having a little momentum to keep the bike upright.
Momentum is your friend like I've heard a million times no need to pin it and crash out just carry enough speed to keep momentum going
Great Tips! Some other tips I think that are important when first starting out:
- 2 Fingers on the clutch all the time (when off road) - feathering the clutch right is important to control.
- Don't fear the rear brake and get comfortable with skid braking (make sure ABS is off when you go off road).
- Light on the bars through loose stuff - if you are to far over the bars, you will plow into sand or mud.
These are great tips! I agree, I always have a finger or two in the levers at all times, it helps with riding in higher gears so you have better traction being able to feather clutch as you mention. I often see new riders afraid of the brakes in general, maybe due to loose traction or due to myths they have heard about using the brakes? Definitely a video I’ll make soon. Thanks for the comment!
The ABS on my 2013 BMW was always trying to kill me offroad. Where on my 2021 KTM 790 Adventure, the ABS has offroad mode that is amazing. It does exactly what you want and expect from it.
@@MarcSherwood yeh, modern abs systems are excellent. I run off-road abs on the front and nothing on the back.
Very good info. I am so glad I started off trail riding on a dirt bike. That's where I fell in love with off road riding. I promptly sold my ZH2 and got into the ADV world. That said, I always stood and kept both feet on the pegs, even in the sand, so luckily I never got in that foot out habit. I recently did some single track on my Africa twin in some very loose and deep sand and like you said, I only found myself in a pickle when I let off the gas. I have learned so much since I started riding dirt bikes and ADV bikes. I have also learned that I still have a lot of learning to do.
Yep, learning on a dirt bike provides so much advantage in learning the fundamentals without the consequences of a big heavy bike. I grew up racing motocross and my dad was always strict on standing up as long as possible into the corner and only sitting down briefly if necessary. It’s really fun riding this big bikes when you have good technique, you can ride really smooth and with great flow.
@@TheMotoBarista Exactly. I took the course with The MX Factory here in Texas and that really improved my track skills as well as over all riding off road. There is so much technique that actually transfers over to the BIG bikes that makes “scary situations”, a non issue. I’m looking forward to catching up on your previous videos as I just found your channel. Take care bud
Gotta agree on the letting the bike go down. Crushed my foot and I still have a few more weeks in a boot with my bike getting dusty in the shed.
Ahh mate, sorry to hear! Hope recover fast and get back out there soon 💪
Great vid! Really valuable tips for off-roading … I would add up to this: lower down or remove the secondary windshield as it can actually get you hurt
Thank you for good, practical advice on riding off road.
Thanks for watching 🤘
Just watched a couple of your vids. Well presented and communicated. All good tips👍
Thanks mate for watching + commenting 🤙
Fantastic stuff..
Great riding and safety tips Michael! 👍
Thank you 😊
Thanks for the info. Really great video. I go camping with friends on our bikes. I have a WR450 with bigger tank. Its light enough that I feel I can let it go if things go south whereas my old BMW650 was a beast to lift up after a sweaty hot Queensland days riding. As a top tip I always put hydralite ice pops in my hydration tank when I go out in the heat. It keeps my water cool and when we camp, I can replenish my fluid intake properly.
Hydra lite ice pops in your water bladder is an awesome idea. Thanks for sharing!
well I love it to get a foot of the peg. I love it when the back wheel comes out in to a slide and it feels way better to go around a corner
I suggest you discuss how to handle the clutch when going up hill and things get sticky. Not a good idea to clutch in and loose momentum, better to stall the bike, let the gears help stop (or slow) the bike going back down the hill. Also: If you can't make it up, you can use the clutch to help you back down the hill with the engine off which is a lot easier then trying to turn a 200+ kg adv bike around. Good technique for a beginner (or anyone) who gets stuck on a hill they can't get up and the practice helps prevent panic for a new rider.
Ha definitely! I think hills require their own special video!
@@TheMotoBarista Look forward to watching it if you make one.
always down a gear climbing, higher revs, don't want it to stall, then you are in a real mess half way up at odd angle.
nice video mate!
Cheers mate, thanks for watching!
Use the proper riding mode of your bike when available.
Experiment with the handle bars tilt angle to find whats your best fit for on and offroad riding.
Use the pegs to initiate a turn when standing, bring your butt to the other side of the bike in a slow speed corner to counterbalance, use your knees to stabilize while keeping loose on the bars.
And probably the most important tip....
Always try to ride in groups of at least two.
It's easier, safer and more fun than alone.
Riding with a buddy is definitely a good one. As is riding at 75% of your capability 🤘
Butt back is for slower corners than pictured here.
I personally corner faster if I sit coming into the corner and stand up and forward coming out of the corner to weight the front wheel and let the rear wheel step out.
and then to get more speed sit with butt back for traction to the ground.
For a beginner I would suggest coming into the corner as fast as you’re comfortable while standing and then really put your weight forward and hug the tank with your knees and controllably slide the rear out coming out of the corner.
Do this until it becomes more and more comfortable and you will pick up speed and confidence dramatically.
Before long you’ll be doing 110 mph on gravel roads stepping the rear out.
Every time I hear someone talk about standing the whole time I think of Toby Price who does a lot of sitting and is very fast.
Everyone has their own technique that works for them but I have ridden with a lot of people enough to know what works for well me.
The rest of the video I agree with.
I not wanting to discourage you or sound like a hater just sharing from my experience.
Cheers!
Each to their own mate, I’m just sharing with what has helped a lot of beginner riders I have taken out in a ride allowing them to feel safer, more comfortable and more in control 🤘
I luv sitting into a loose dirt,gravel stoney bend on my 1090R it gets loose as,turn up the wick push the front around..
Love a good power slide 🤘
@@TheMotoBarista c'mon let's see it
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@@TheMotoBarista you can’t please everybody 🤣🤣
Thank you sir 🙏🇮🇳
Reading the comments, it's clear that many people do not understand how standing on the pegs allows the rider's legs to be shock absorbers for the mass of the rider, effectively decoupling the rider's mass from the mass of the motorcycle so the bike's shocks only need to absorb and release the energy associated with vertically accelerating the motorcycle. Someone needs to make a video of a motorcycle riding over rough terrain, seen from the side, comparing a rider sitting versus standing. When standing, the rider's body remains relatively motionless as the motorcycle bounces up and down between the rider and the ground. Seated, the motorcycle and rider bounce up and down together, and that places greater demands on the motorcycle's suspension, with shocks bottoming out when riding over larger obstacles.
Many people are saying that the shocks behave the same whether the rider is standing or sitting. That's only true in the static situation, when parked, where the combined weight of the rider and motorcycle compress the shocks. Statics can't be used to analyze riding on a rough trail. We must use dynamics once the motorcycle and rider are accelerating vertically when riding over obstacles.
I relate to the thumbnail bc once I did it right my front wheel slipped and the bike fell over my leg. It's been 2 years and my ankle hurts every now and then.
Been riding my 2020 KTM 790 Adventure S for about 2 years. I heartily endorse all the above. Wish I knew how to ride sand better because it scares the dickens out of me.
Oooo sand is a good challenge on these big bikes! Would make a fun video for the future!
That's why speedway riders are so slow in corners as they sit down and put thier leg out, they would say its to weight the other peg pushing the bike into the ground for traction and to weight the front wheel (apparently they recon your leg weighs quite a lot) But what would they know, Valentino Rossi even started doing on his Moto GP bike, Novices
Great tips ill give it ago
Thanks mate, hope it helps!
Why will the suspension be less compressed by standing?
what about jumps? clutch? thanks
The shock are compres equally
great tips cobba add mud and there even more important follow them and you and the bike will get home in pretty good nick you know ya shit mate subd cheers
Thanks mate, cheers for the sub! 💪
Yeah, the shock is not compressed when standing on the pegs because we weigh more when sitting on the seat. 😂
When the rider stands on the pegs, the rider's bent legs are the shock absorbers for the rider's weight so the motorcycle suspension can be the shock absorbers for the motorcycle's weight. Sitting, the motorcycle suspension is the shock absorber for the weight of the bike plus the weight of the rider.
Experienced adventure rider: Wraaaaap. And don't. Stop.
what would the difference be for the shock if you sit or stand? it is the same weight pressing down on it.
By standing, the weight is supposed to get distributed more towards the front and also you are going to be able to shift your weight towards the front or back depending on the situation by changing your body position and posture. So by standing, you can have a better control of the bike is irregular terrain and also it will be better for your back too as now our knees and hips too come into play by acting as natural shock absorbers of our body.
If you sit, the bikes suspension is doing all the work, whereas you stand, you can have your legs act as another suspension absorbing the shocks received.
It's not has you do not feel so much the impact in the body and the fork do not go so down has you make your self part of the travel suspension
When the rider stands on the pegs, the rider's bent legs are the shock absorbers for the rider's weight so the motorcycle suspension can be the shock absorbers for the motorcycle's weight. Sitting, the motorcycle suspension is the shock absorber for the weight of the bike plus the weight of the rider.
Why mx riders use the legs then by cornering?
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How is the shocked not compressed standing up versus sitting down. Isn't the the shock being compressed a factor of the weight of the rider or the type of terrain?
Shock isn’t as free to move through the stroke when sitting down which when tackling changing/rough terrain results in reduce contact of tyres to ground, resulting in less traction.
I think what was missed is to mention that your legs become additional shock absorbers when you stand on the pegs. Sat down you disengage that additional layer of help. Your legs will move independently absorbing tiny movements in the bikes flow.
@@kevrenshaw6177 yeh, definitely it also allows you to drop your heels which pushes the bike into the ground. I didn’t go into detail because I wanted to keep the video short and on topic for TH-cam. I’ll definitely have future videos for more standing vs sitting details in a dedicated video.
As an engineer I can tell you this is B.S. The bike has the same weight going through the shock whether you are standing or sitting. The real difference is that your legs when standing are acting as an additional shock absorber so your body can adsorb bike movement much better. The shock will act the same to the terrain but your body can move up and down so it feels like the bike is behaving better. It’s actually the bike is behaving the same but your body is behaving better. 👍🏻😁
@@mtscott yip ...
The shock isn't compressed? Where does your weight go then?
Get your butt back? Don't you want pressure on that front feel?
Head over bars, butt over back when standing. We want to keep weight neutral over the bike.
If there's anything I've learned from all these tips and tricks moto videos it's that no motorcycle rider understand basic physics.
Best one I've heard is that standing up lowers your center of gravity. No it just lowers your points of contact with the bike and helps the suspension by suspending 150+lbs of weight
@@saltybaguette7683 Standing up offers loads of other benefits as well. But I agree, there is so much misleading information out there.
I try not to let my adv bike fall because I don’t want broken clutch/brake levers 🤔
How about riding fast through bends on gravel / loose road surfaces? I think technique must be totally different than on tarmac with road bike. Rider should not lean towards inside of the corner as it feels scary and tires tend to loose grip more easily.
You should stand, angle the bike, and then modulate the rear sliding by using the throttle. You stand and lean the bike *because* you can control how quickly it loses traction. And because you're standing, the bike can rotate under you, rather than your body contributing to you falling over.
On high traction environments, you lean with the bike. On low traction environments, you counter lean to induce a slide so you can be the one to control how much the bike is sliding.
Street bikes are technical, off road is man handling, throttle control and body position. Very different skill sets, ride both regularly. Personally, I prefer the right tool for the job, not a do all that does neither well. KTM 500 off road and FJR1300 on street.
Wait a minute. "the shock isn't compressed" when you're standing vs sitting? Please explain the magic here. You do not become weightless by merely standing up.
My take on this comment is, if you are riding and you hit a bump, by standing on the pegs, the rear shock can better absorb the hit because your ass isn't sitting on it. Your weight is more evenly distributed between front and rear tires.
If you are sitting, your weight is directly on the seat, meaning you compress the shock more because the shock is compressed via 2 ways - the rear wheel coming up and the increased weight from your butt.
By standing the rear shock has to deal with less inertia and can rebound faster. This can be easily felt if you ride any technical/bumpy terrain off road.
@@YSPDJapan trust me I understand how it actually works. The wording or presentation in the video is severely lacking if not factually incorrect as stated.
Standing on a bike is tiring and only recommended in difficult terrain, I don't see the point to stand on a standard trail specially when you have a long road in front of you. I think, you should update your video to include this point. When you are unnecessarily tired, you make mistakes you would avoided otherwise.
I’ll sit down on gravel roads but otherwise I stand up all day. I feel way more comfortable and safer standing up as I can have better balance, stability and can break harder suddenly if I need to. Riding motorcycles off-road was never easy, it requires strength and fitness too.
@@TheMotoBarista The fact you do it doesn't mean you should advise people to do it when there is no need. This video is to advise riders what to do. For example, on most trails, you just sit and be careful to stand when terrain gets shaky. Keep in mind that when you travel for days, you need to keep your energy for when it is needed.,
@@edouardl2 I think technical terrain is such a weird term to describe when to stand. I could be on an easy windy 2-track, but I’ll be standing because I will be riding at a faster pace, if I was just cruising along, maybe I would sit. You have better control on the bike when standing up. Period. Get fit. Move on.
@@TheMotoBarista You are clearly missing the point I suspect because you don't want to admit that your advice was not clear. What you do on the road is good for yourself but for most riders it doesn't work. You won't want a newbie to drive highspeed on a trail. Better he is confortable and focus on avoiding problems. Anyhow, I am not alone to say it, professionals only stand when needed by technical terrain. Just look on youtube and you will see it.
If the bike doesn't slide out in the corner, it's not a corner :D
Hahaha I do love a good slide, even if it isn’t the fastest way around 🤣
That wasn’t even a real corner. I don’t know were you learned to ride but you definitely sit down in tight corners on dirt. The reason to put the leg forward is to have more weight on the front wheel. I guess there are dozens of videos on TH-cam how to corner a dirt or adventure bike.
This was a video breaking down a common mistake - most new riders sit down far too much. Not a video about corners, here the corner was just a quick example.
The weight forward, leg out is how you maintain weight, and therefore traction with the front tire in a corner. Standing is good too, but you need to be forward, not back. If you'd demonstrated on a straight section, I'd totally agree with the weight back, but in a corner the weight needs to be forward. Other than that, great video. I'm not attempting to say that I'm a good rider, but have taken a few clinics with Chris Birch, and have his video series and this is how he teaches (and everybody else I've seen.)
@@RickGreen_McNutt I said butt/hips should be back, not weight. Weight should be centred (not forward) with head over bar of and butt back. Feet should be on pegs to keep weight driving down through bike, increasing traction and allowing legs to take force not body, also removes risk of catching foot and twisting your knee. If sitting it should be deep into corner at apex or at exit to drive traction. Again this wasn’t a corner technique video, just a tip to stand up more. If you want more technique stuff I highly recommend AJ Catanzaro and his Moto Academy.
@@RickGreen_McNutt
Agree!
Butt back is for slower corners than pictured here.
I personally corner faster if I sit coming into the corner and stand up and forward coming out of the corner to weight the front wheel and let the rear wheel step out.
For a beginner I would suggest coming into the corner as fast as you’re comfortable while standing and then really put your weight forward and hug the tank with your knees and controllably slide the rear out coming out of the corner.
Do this until it becomes more and more comfortable and you will pick up speed and confidence dramatically.
Before long you’ll be doing 110 mph on gravel roads stepping the rear out.
Every time I hear someone talk about standing the whole time I think of Toby Price who does a lot of sitting and is very fast.
Everyone has their own technique that works for them but I have ridden with a lot of people enough to know what works for well me.
The rest of the video I agree with.
I not wanting to discourage you or sound like a hater just sharing from my experience.
Beginners like me are no Ronnie Mac
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Why they teach you to sit and put the leg out for motocross?
The goal was to get more weight over the front wheel, though this is a more older technique. If you watch the new style of the best riders in the world they are standing through most of the corner, only sitting when they need traction to the rear and keeping feet on pegs. Check out The Moto Academy for awesome technique videos.
these rider position tips are possibly misleading. they are very dependent on the terrain
Tip #1: watch this video, Tip #2: Thumbs up this video, Tip #3: Get out there and ride while keeping the tips in this video in mind.
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Rubbish, sitting down and taking your time, keeping your centre of gravity low, conserving energy and having a foot ready to dab in panicky moments is how gumbys should manage their ride. Fast guys stand up, they're fit and in tune, meerkats are a danger to themselves
Not much different from MTB riding
Agreed. To be honest, 2 wheels on dirt - all the same fundamental principles. Doesn’t matter the size of bike.
No one is going to stand all day riding BDRs or TAT, learn when to stand and how to ride dirt and gravel roads on the seat.
Depends how your riding, I’d your just cruising, yeh easy to stay seated. But if you’re riding faster and/or technical terrain you obviously need to stand. I never said stand all the time. I just said stand more. I see beginners sitting down up steep technical hills or down even down them!
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standing up all the time is not nessasary. ever watch flat trackers ?
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is this thumbnail real? im gna watch but im also sick of bullshit advice. i ride every day hundreds of miles every week and the amount of times ive caught my bike slipping with a foot down even just on wet roads is unreal. i see guys on videos hanging a leg off and still dropping the bike bc the leg is doing nothing. i feel like if ur dragging ur foot you better be ready to push if u start sliding or why is it there. edit maybe coz mines a 125 its not so heavy it will break my ankles and i can push it around lol.
I think what you’re referring to is a foot ‘dab’ to help catch the bike if slipping or tipping over. That is different to the foot out the whole time. If you dab, ideally the foot wants to return to the peg as quickly as possible.
Your advice is going to kill someone. At no point ever on planet earth when it comes to motorcycles would you ever stand up on a curve like that. You do NOT have the same control you do sitting down. Your center of gravity is much higher, which makes it harder to react without high siding or falling inward into an oncoming rider/vehicle.
Your brakes do NOT work better while standing, and you increase the chance of going over the handlebars.
You missed the mark on momentum and speed. River crossings, extended hill climbs, yes, momentum is key. HOWEVER, learning to ride at very slow speeds, and being able to even stop momentarily without putting down a foot, takes more skill than riding fast.
You also missed the mark on keeping your head still and failed to explain that letting the bike move independently of your torso and up while on rough terrain is a vital skill to learn and practice.
Sorry bud, you're wrong. Wayy wrong. Standing through a corner is wayyy safer and often faster. The only time to sit is at apex or exit to help with traction or get some rest in. Watch the best pros in Motocross, they will be standing as much as possible through the corners. Watch any best moto coach, they will teach the same thing. Your way may have been the way it was done in previous generations, but technique has evolved and got a lot better. I recommend watching videos of Jett Lawrence racing or watching coaching videos from The Moto Academy for more detailed breakdowns.
Also you dumb f**k, standing up is way more efficient for allowing the head to stabilise and to disconnect the upper and lower body which allows the bike to move freely beneath the rider.
@@TheMotoBarista watch any dakar race or any race involving any motorcycle. Watch how they take corners. You ever see any stand up? If you answer yes, you're a liar. And reading comprehension must not be your strongest skill either, because I never once said the best way to keep your body stable from the bike was not to sit down. Also, you'll find in any motorcross race, must if not all stay in their seat till the next jump. Why? Keeping the weight on the rear and allowing the front wheel to float which is useful especially in deep soil like sand. Your 3 years of doing TH-cam videos on an adventure bike is not as much experience as you think.
@@warsman22 Dakar is a 14 day, 10 hours a day suffer fest - those guys need to sit down as much as possible to rest. I have never seen any professional in modern motocross sit down only until they hit a jump. And yes, every modern professional motocross racer and trainer you watch today will stand up throughout the majority of the corners, sitting only at the apex briefly. And surprisingly I had a life before TH-cam, I have been racing since I was 6 and am the son of a professional motocross coach. Maybe if you were open to new ideas and techniques instead of stuck in your old ways, you would learn safer, more efficient and effective ways to enjoy riding dirt bikes.