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My 1972 455HO was built back in 1972 by Shepard's in Rockingham nc. It has old school trw L2394 30 over pistons , general kenetics camshaft , balanced and blueprinted. It is old but very low hours on engine , runs great. However it's time to bring her up to date. I bought rings from Butler back in 2012 , reringed her. Butler was great and gave me advice on the old heavy L2394 pistons , time to upgrade. She is a monster ,sounds like a B-29 and pulls like a freight train. I'm looking forward to completely disassembling and freshening her up. It has been a great , powerful , tough engine. She belonged to my dad from 1973 to 1996 and I plan on my son getting it when the time comes. This engine means more to me than anything else I own. Love your work , great info and much appreciated.👍👍🏁🏁
Your the only one really putting out engine stuff for Pontiac’s. I appreciate it a lot and I’m sure the other Pontiac guys do. I’m putting together a Ram Air 3 400 for my 78 trans am and it’s been a big help
Thanks OX! Yeah, just sharing what I've learned along the way... It was just 8 years ago, where I didn't know what I was doing when I restored the GTO. Glad I could help inspire other Pontiac lovers. Thanks again!
Kimo, the original windage tray to my 455 had a crack and got replaced by a unit from Ace Brewer at PPR, and it was part of his Tomahawk line. We will see how it held all these years once I pull the motor out.
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I've used both and would definitely recommend the Butler Pro. My current pump is a Butler Pro 80psi with a 60psi cap and a shim. Gets me about 70psi and 30-35 at hot idle. The only other recommendation I have is while you have your pump apart, bolt it to the engine and drop a light down the pressure passage leading to the engine. Every engine I have had has had significant misalignment with this passage which is too small to begin with. I opened up the passage in the block (less chance of breakage) in the appropriate direction to ensure the oil pump and block passage are in alignment.
@@FastMonty Yeah, it probably can be done but you would have to real careful at this point. I also drilled out the passages to the filter to 9/16" but that takes some nerve and an expensive, high quality long drill bit. forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3143048
These videos are a lifesaver! What stud kit are you using for the mains? I'm using 194-5401 but the fronts hit the oil pan. Ive tried 4 different pans. Also, what pick and pan are you using? All the pickups ive seen say 1/8 to 1/4 clearance. Thanks!
Sorry to hear about the front studs. Very strange. I dont know off the top of my head as to which set I bought. I'm using a Canton Road Race pan, and pickup. Part numbers are in the description of the video... and there's this video too... th-cam.com/video/o_JVUVPgzao/w-d-xo.html Have fun!
Monty, love your series, wish I had viewed more of these before my engine was complete! I am using the same oil pump as you and would like to know what weight oil you are running? Thanks!
Hey Monty, quick question, I have the m54ds, do you recommend me pulling the pump plate off and going through it and cleaning up the gears inside, maybe lubing it up before I put the gears back in?
Hey Mike, so, did that copper gasket come with your pump? I just received my 80lb pump from Butler (the identical one you’re using) and there was no gasket. There was bolts and lock washers, however.
hey Michael... if you got the Butler Pro Pump, yes, it should have a copper gasket. Mine was in a tiny envelope, hiding in the box. I think it was taped to the side? If not, give Butler a ring... congrats on a bad ass pump!
@@michaelclarke9488 At Temp, I'm about 22 lbs. The important thing to note is how fast it increases pressure. You should be seeing at least 15 psi per 1000 rpm increase. ie, at 3000 rpm I'm about 70 psi
Be sure to subscribe for more, click here; th-cam.com/users/fastmontysgarage Also be sure to source your Pontiac engine parts from @ButlerPerformance , they have everything you need!
My 1972 455HO was built back in 1972 by Shepard's in Rockingham nc. It has old school trw L2394 30 over pistons , general kenetics camshaft , balanced and blueprinted. It is old but very low hours on engine , runs great. However it's time to bring her up to date. I bought rings from Butler back in 2012 , reringed her. Butler was great and gave me advice on the old heavy L2394 pistons , time to upgrade. She is a monster ,sounds like a B-29 and pulls like a freight train. I'm looking forward to completely disassembling and freshening her up. It has been a great , powerful , tough engine. She belonged to my dad from 1973 to 1996 and I plan on my son getting it when the time comes. This engine means more to me than anything else I own.
Love your work , great info and much appreciated.👍👍🏁🏁
That's an awesome story, thanks for sharing! Have fun, and take your time on the rebuild... thanks for being a part of the channel!
Your the only one really putting out engine stuff for Pontiac’s. I appreciate it a lot and I’m sure the other Pontiac guys do. I’m putting together a Ram Air 3 400 for my 78 trans am and it’s been a big help
Thanks OX! Yeah, just sharing what I've learned along the way... It was just 8 years ago, where I didn't know what I was doing when I restored the GTO. Glad I could help inspire other Pontiac lovers. Thanks again!
Never considered the possibility of an old windage tray getting brittle. As always, a lot of neat insights and assembly tips 👍
Same here! I had no idea, prior to this video. Thanks for the comment!
Kimo, the original windage tray to my 455 had a crack and got replaced by a unit from Ace Brewer at PPR, and it was part of his Tomahawk line. We will see how it held all these years once I pull the motor out.
@@nachomax1639 Cool 👍
@@nachomax1639 Great testimonial, thanks Nacho!
GREAT video very informative and useful.
Thanks Terry! Much appreciated!
Awesome video. Where can I find a pickup like that?
Thanks! Yeah, you'll need to get the matching pick up to match your pan. If you're a Pontiac guy, check out Butler Performance's website. Have fun!
Appreciate All The Info…!
And all the insight from you and all the subscribers….
Totally Priceless…!
Not to many places for us Pontiac Guys..!
Thanks To All…
Thanks Ronin... we're all in this together. See ya!
This series is great. Not long enough though. I want to keep going til it's complete!
Thanks Rickey... maybe wait 5 weeks, then binge watch the rest? HA, ha... thanks again!
Great info Mike
Thanks Bill! Good to hear from you...
Great video, Mike!
Will definitely be upgrading to this pump from the standard 54F when I rebuild my engine.
Yup, no brainer there, a very simple upgrade from standard, for some re-assurance. Thanks for the comment!
I've used both and would definitely recommend the Butler Pro. My current pump is a Butler Pro 80psi with a 60psi cap and a shim. Gets me about 70psi and 30-35 at hot idle. The only other recommendation I have is while you have your pump apart, bolt it to the engine and drop a light down the pressure passage leading to the engine. Every engine I have had has had significant misalignment with this passage which is too small to begin with. I opened up the passage in the block (less chance of breakage) in the appropriate direction to ensure the oil pump and block passage are in alignment.
Now you tell me.... ha, ha... good tip. Too late for me. But, good for others to see. Thanks Steve!
@@FastMonty Yeah, it probably can be done but you would have to real careful at this point. I also drilled out the passages to the filter to 9/16" but that takes some nerve and an expensive, high quality long drill bit. forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3143048
@@stevebrown6175 Thanks Steve! Yeah, good things to note for the next monster build. See ya soon!
Good video, thank you. Like the tips and details. Thanks for sharing your conversations with Butler Performance.
You're welcome! And, as you know, I don't hold anything back... when I learn, you guys learn. Thanks for the comment!
Nice, I'm ready for part 9 now. :-)
Ha! You're gonna love it... another eye opener for me. Thanks for the comment.
Great video thank's
Thanks Robert!
These videos are a lifesaver! What stud kit are you using for the mains? I'm using 194-5401 but the fronts hit the oil pan. Ive tried 4 different pans. Also, what pick and pan are you using? All the pickups ive seen say 1/8 to 1/4 clearance. Thanks!
Sorry to hear about the front studs. Very strange. I dont know off the top of my head as to which set I bought. I'm using a Canton Road Race pan, and pickup. Part numbers are in the description of the video... and there's this video too... th-cam.com/video/o_JVUVPgzao/w-d-xo.html Have fun!
I use Mellings 54DS? On my Pontiacs. It runs 60-70 psi.
Yup, that's a standard 60 pound pump, with pick up screen. Thanks for the comment.
Monty, love your series, wish I had viewed more of these before my engine was complete! I am using the same oil pump as you and would like to know what weight oil you are running? Thanks!
Thanks Ken! Great to hear, yeah, I'm running HR1 15W-50. Hope that helps!
Hey Monty, quick question, I have the m54ds, do you recommend me pulling the pump plate off and going through it and cleaning up the gears inside, maybe lubing it up before I put the gears back in?
Yeah, if you can easily access it, check for burrs, etc... just make sure you locktite the bolts when you put the plate back on.
Hey Mike, so, did that copper gasket come with your pump? I just received my 80lb pump from Butler (the identical one you’re using) and there was no gasket. There was bolts and lock washers, however.
hey Michael... if you got the Butler Pro Pump, yes, it should have a copper gasket. Mine was in a tiny envelope, hiding in the box. I think it was taped to the side? If not, give Butler a ring... congrats on a bad ass pump!
@@FastMonty, Bingo! It sure was taped to the side of the box in a tiny envelope and even said “gasket Enclosed”. Winner winner chicken dinner!
@@michaelclarke9488 Ha! Glad I could help!
One more question, what is your ‘at temperature’ oil pressure at idle?
@@michaelclarke9488 At Temp, I'm about 22 lbs. The important thing to note is how fast it increases pressure. You should be seeing at least 15 psi per 1000 rpm increase. ie, at 3000 rpm I'm about 70 psi
They did not have the 60 psi pro when I ordered mine they said the 10540 is a good alternative
Thanks Brian... yeah, I think that's the High Volume version of the standard 60 psi pump.
Thank You !!!
Welcome! Thanks for the comment... as usual.
Did you add assembly lube on the oil pump gears?
Good question... not necessary, as they're not "loaded" against each other, and oil hits them first, when you prime the engine. Thanks John!
Looks like you still have metal shavings on your gloves!
Ha! Too funny. That's why I said, clean everything, before re-assembly.