As I heard with nyc self defense law is strict but since it looks they went at him first it seems he atleast has a chance Depending on the judge ,witnesses and lawyer !
Crazy how the police blatantly lied about bro walking into the shop and murdering dude in cold blue, justice for Kay Flock this has self defense written all over it.
I also heard the jakes say “flock was patrolling the streets of ny by himself looking for ops” when u see him clearly walking with 2 other people honestly disgusting how the media portrayed this
@@HaHa-fw2it he turned last second trying to retreat but it was too late which probably means he didn’t have the same level of deadly force available but not that he wasn’t going to use deadly force or deadly intent (we don’t know what he said verbally)
@@HaHa-fw2it tf u can see in the vid the guy rush flock so obviously key hit him in the neck and by the time he pulled the trigger again his back was turned but u can clearly see the guy rush the dude in black ya keep saying flock like ya want da nigga in jail goofies just say man in black but that guy was the aggressor but at the end of the day this New York we really dont have no self defense law so even if he beats it as some sort of self defense he still gonna do time for the gun also his prior gun charge and they gone add some shit like aggressive use or some shit so all in all if convicted his career done he gone minimum 10 years his best bet is to really beat the case and say thats not him and take it to trial but he gotta pray and hope they really dont have no evidence that was really him only evidence they need is his ping location of his phone to see if he was there at the time and place if then he is clipped clipped extra clipped so hopefully they dont got that on him
but tbh if he gets 10 years come home on good behave and only do 80 percent of his Time he will only have to do 8 he back home 26 if u think about he will still be hella young a kid still and gone be respected and have a huge comeback but ill be dam near 30 im 22 rn thinking's bout dat is crazy
Shiddd let’s just speak hypothetically here Aight… Dude who coming out the barbershop look like he was poled up himself (carrying)…lets just say after he got shot, the second dude that came out the barbershop ran up to pick the gun up off him before the police arrived. That would make more sense to why Flock killed him in self defense, versus they exchanged words and Flock just shot em. Since we know the police lied, we gotta assume it’s more lies. I think this murder case may turn into a manslaughter and even possible just a felon in possession of a firearm.
He needs to take this case to Supreme Court and fight against the unconstitutional gun laws in New York, y’all need to start a petition to free him and Change the laws.
@@cheddabobb3380 yeah I can see that happening in NY. That’s why I stay away from there. I like to keep my pole every where I go and NY don’t support my license. So I keep my distance until I get a lil shordy that will let me use her address just to let me get my shit registered up there
that man went out there to prove a point for no reason and got what cost him his life. prime example don’t let your pride get in the way, he’s a grown man.. that’s an 19 year old rapper, felon or not you could’ve 100% just kept it pushing.
This one fd up I just seen a man drop his pride and kept walking.. giving the dude in the shop the benefit of the doubt but dude start following him and bro had to defend his life .. I wish this happened in Texas or Atlanta this a open and closed case
Nah bro he stopped in front of the store there was no benefit of the doubt… he wouldn’t of even stopped if he did not have a problem with boy. He could have said something or was looking at him wrong… why did he stop to turn around? Nobody was even following him yet
@@thriftthrift4638 You commenting this bs but you choose to ignore him waving dude in the shop off and trying to keep going on about his business smh, we know exactly what you’d do if you found yourself in this predicament.
You can. From this vid and the other ones: Flock walkin pass, dude see him, bop out barbershop thinkin he was shakin ass(lackin) flock see him comin out and asks “What you lookin at?” Then in this video you can see him shuffle like he was gonna turn around but then he heard flock challenge him, so then he walks to his own death. This the same way Dthang in Chicago died. Pride. And underestimated..,
He’s not completely innocent you see him stop right in front of the barbershop turn around and probably say something.. maybe he scream so loud to the glass if they saw it.. or he was looking at the guy that he had beef with through the glass and he happen to see him.. why would he hesitate while he was walking past the barbershop just keep it moving?
Bruh that’s not how the streets work, it don’t matter what age you is if that’s ya opp that’s ya opp no matter how old he is, you acting like the streets gotta age limit
@@doughran9242 it has everything to do with his point. Frannie was saying the 24 year old was too old to be worried about an 18 year old. Dude replying said age means nothing when you're in the streets and gangbanging. How do you not see the connection?
U see flock look in the store with his hand in his pocket stutter stepping like he was gonna do something then waves his hand off like fuck it then the dudes came out
New York Penal Law 35.15 states that you can use physical force when and to the extent, you reasonably believe such to be necessary to defend yourself, or another individual from what you believe to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by another individual.
The New York self defense law found in Article 35 of the New York State Penal Law, gives a person the authority to use physical force and even in some cases deadly physical force to protect themselves and also to protect others from a physical assault. The defense of self defense, or justification as it is called in New York, is a defense that must be disproven by the prosecutor beyond a reasonable doubt. Self defense can be a very important defense against charges such as assault, attempted assault, murder, manslaughter or attempted murder.
it actually doesn't matter if its self defense..he's a felon already and can't have a gun....he's going to prison for weapons possession if he's found guilty or not guilty for the murder... so it'll be a L REGARDLESS
@@ashjotti710 exactly he grilled him down which caused him to come out. With The first angle he had better chance kuz it didn’t show him stop and wait just passing
Trust they have more camera angles. They're only releasing a bit at a time. So he did get dude attention in the barber shop to get him outside. This is worse for Kay Flock. And dude was walking away it seems.
They got each other’s attention by grillin each other Kay waved him off on some u not worth the time shit and dude made it his business to press the issue. Kay flock is going down for the gun and probably manslaughter. Idk honestly
@@LilGooney nah they definitely knew eachother… And the dude must’ve said something like keep walking to Kay flock and then Kay flock probably said something like oh aii pussy while the dude started walking off and that triggered the dude to approaching Kay flock and resulted in him getting shott
The Cops "Kay Flock (Government Name) went into the barbershop and started an altercation" Kay Flock's lawyers are going to eat that story up for breakfast-Clear Lie
@Stewie Griffin If you look at the initial police report it stated that, " Kay Flock and Hernandez began arguing inside the shop. The pair then stepped outside an continued arguing before 18-year-old shot Hernandez in the back of the neck" I am just going by the police report versus what I see in the video. All I know is, If I was Kay Flock's lawyer I would bring up the fact that the statement doesn't match the video.
@Stewie Griffin thank you so many internet detectives n prosecutor who clearly never been through any part the system or know the courts beyond law and order lol, prosecution ain't even made there case yet and y'all wanna talk about his lawyers gonna do this and that lol, newsflash what they say now has no bearing this early except for maybe his ability to bond out (which is nyc with a body n two firearm charges in less than a month, he wont). Besides that until the prosecutor bring evidence to court in trial, his lawyers can't do Jack shit besides put out statements themselves the trial take place in the courtroom
@@chrisgraham9107 stop talking like u know shit what u mean out the window he can beat it as self defense still but will have to do time for the gun shit aint bout nothing nigga gonna be like 21 when he come home still a baby shit dont go out the window just cause u got a gun u obviously talking like u from New York when u really not
@@chrisgraham9107 your slow u are allowed to have a gun in nyc but only if your not a felon or a criminal Lmaoo only people with clean records can have guns New York is jsut super strict but learn the law before u talk 😂
with the evidence coming out his lawyer should definately beat the body, unfortunately he caught a gun charge a month before this that he bonded out for, plus the weapon involved, highly likely he does 3-5. If he move correctly he can shave time and be home in 12-16 months
@@nycliving9514 so fuck facts right ? You dead WATCHED the video and still saying anything ? You as mad as the DA gonna be when that body get thrown out lmao relax cuz stop praying on other ppl downfall just cause you spent Christmas alone , you’ll be aight
First they have to prove that figure is Kay. Second they need an actual video of the murder. Third they need the murder weapon. Self defense isn’t something he can get off with
He almost have to admit it’s him due to cops statement of him going in the shop and being the aggressor. This footage helps paint a picture the cops have it out for him
Facts but it sucks that he’s gonna sit until all that happens yakno that’s the fucked up part like give him bail with a ankle monitor or something yakno but to hold people in jail to find charges or make them up is foul to me and like you said there was no clear video we don’t even know if that’s him 🤷🏾♂️
@@jayynm2506 everyone knows it’s deeper then it seems, they diss each other on every track like they can’t stfu an stop dreamin bout other niggas, clearly the nigga hopped out the shop lookin for smoke, flock did the right thing his op literally approached him. but all the unnecessary shit? gotta go, sitting on live talkin trash bout the next man don’t make no man tuff
@@ybbetter4345 i ain’t judging them, i pray they all seek help and find inner peace. i was a kid in the hood one day, i literally worked the main corner store wit pops n seen so many avoidable incidents. these people are seeking violence over females
Unfortunately in NYC you can't claim self defense for killing an unarmed guy that's arguing with you and then turned and walked away. The other guys were just nosy bystanders not part of his gang.
He prolly hit him in the neck first. Then the dude tried to turn and run real quick while Kay was still flocking and hit him in his back. That’s how it plays out in my head
Outside the box looks like in my opinion: Kay flock saw someone walked by and had body language that said “na, fuck this bitch” and the bitch came out looking for a problem and got put to rest. That shit is a bitter sweet self defence case. Hope he has a good lawyer. Police are a criminal enterprise that just wants to put anyone away for a conviction rate, it’s a business. If properly addressed using common sense and going by the constitution and criminal code this should be self defence but it’s obvious police will do anything to keep young black successful men down especially if they are from the hood. Best of luck to Kay flock
@@plopdoo339 yh but they in new york theyll probably class the aggressor as the person who initiated the life-threatening violence first so if the victim didn't have a gun or knife with the intention of using it in that moment i think they'll class kay as aggressor
A lot of mfs not from ny and don’t understand we don’t have self defense laws based off of our gun control laws 😭 he’s not even supposed to be outside with a gun on him
How the hell dude in the shop knew to came at flock tho like was he tryna rob him or something ? Cause no way you can say they made eye contact passing the store
Ny traffic is horrible bro. Plus they parking fee like 15 dollars. That is why everything is close. Store, bootleg, food, it all in one area. Worst place too live
For peoples saying he was “patrolling for the the ops” he literally stopped and looked in there and then threw his hand up to say “lets go” it was sef defence no one can tell me different 😭
You guys are also forgetting that he’s a convicted felon who has yet ANOTHER illegal firearm … he’s still definitely facing time for this weapons charge .
sure there is way more vid cams on that street, across the street down and up the street. why are they hand feeding us crumbs and snip bits. theres cameras all in new york. The waiting game is a bitch. But this is what entertainment and news is now.
He’s definitely getting time they wouldn’t classify that as self defense … nvm I seen some people say he look like he was clutching and I guess they could use that
As soon as Oscar stepped out alone looked around and it was just him, he wanted to retreat but saw his supposed friend who followed him up. His confidence got boosted and he went out having a possible word exchange with the hooded dude yielding gun who shoots Oscar to Oscar’s death. RIP. I’ve learn to quit reacting because of what someone might say or be moved because of someone’s presence.
Nypd really tried to lie on whoever that shooter was. Ion see Kay Kay or anyone face! Fact of the matter is the guy came out the store being tough and that shit got him boomed. HE went after the shooter & met his faith 🤷🏾♂️
First story i heard was he went into a barbershop told dude to come outside. This shows the opposite! Damm, brothas is target number 1 from all sides these days..but this looks like self defence to me.
they were walking him down after he literally looked them in the eye through the glass and waved them off and walked away. the cops lied on the police report and to the judge and to the people when they said he entered the barber shop and started the altercation. cops lying on record is enough for a 50,000 dollar lawyer to toss a case out quickly
@@ABPDL i didn't come up with my own story. in what i just said i only stated facts from the two camera angles that have been released. kay flock walks past the barbershop, slows down, looks left, waves his arm toward the door like he's brushing him off, then he keeps walking away without an issue, i also said the cops lied and said he entered the barbershop, which they did say in their original statement, then i said the "victim" walked out of the barbershop and literally walked down towards kay flock. so tell me where i'm making anything up at all please. please please please respond. omg please respond to me because i have never been more confident in a youtube comment of mine ever in my life i stand ten toes down on what i said.
From my view, dude that got hit was inside the front of the barbershop door as Flock walked by. They made eye contact. If you look closely, it looks like Kay Flock lifted his coat, and flashed the hammer at Boy before he waved him off and kept walking. Soon after, boy walked out the barbershop and walked towards Kay Flock.
@Jermaine Rey I wrote that it looks like Flock lifted his coat and flashed the hammer at dude. Believe it or not, there's people that are dumb enough to approach people that are gripped up, because it happened before. Some people will even try to take the gun off of the person if they think they could. If dude really saw the grip on Flock, he probably thought Flock was fronting and wasn't going to use it. Some people think like that. They think that they are so gangster and unstoppable.
@@greghealy6624 there’s self defence laws not stand ur ground laws know what ur talkin about b4 u say it having no self defence laws would be stupid asf
I saw somewhere that Kay Flock was facetiming his opp, so maybe that glimpse through the window has more impact and info. That we don't know Anyways this may be misleading, as I said I saw somewhere not sure if it's true
The dead can’t speak for themselves. Kay looked in that window first and that actually could of been a reason to walk out to make sure the guy would have made sure Kay walked off. But because he can’t say that this may be self defense all the way even if it wasn’t
it's a shame the camera didn't have a further view of the street to record who did what 1st. Ik homie that passed messed up by continuing to go down to where the assailant was.
@@TactsYT goofy, a story could been made up in defense of why he looked in the window. Anything could of been said way before then to make him look in there. If dude would have lived and killed Kay I bet him looking in that window first would of been a self defense claim for the dead guy
He’s definitely not getting murder for this The alleged Kay flock in the video even swiped his hand like forget this dude but the dude wanted to be super tough and run down 😥 now he’s dead ☠️ he could have just let the skinny guy in the black jeans walk away and he would still be alive . At Max he’ll get a felony possession of a firearm, holds minimum of 5 year with a 42 month stipulation (mandatory 42months before parole eligibility)
Shit so sad Kay flock was really just minding his business dude lost his life starting shit and flock still has to pay the price since he defended himself NYC is an L
If they was his sisters that’s worst he shouldn’t of took them knowing he was ready do what he did. He ain’t know if the other dude was holding they could of got hit smh. I understand y’all his fans but wrong is wrong YALL take it how y’all want. Simple
@@Schubes5 NY is strict on gun laws and they don’t have a stand your ground law so unless the other dude pulled out a weapon than it’s justified other than that it’s a wrap .
More angles on the way. White peoples live in Harlem n wl- matter. Their for cameras are everywhere. So if son was just poppin shit n he let off he’s done but otherwise he gotta Chance
How can the dude hear what anyone is saying from inside a barber shop it seems like he approached the person with problems and he got the shit end of the stick
As I heard with nyc self defense law is strict but since it looks they went at him first it seems he atleast has a chance Depending on the judge ,witnesses and lawyer !
The guy dead was shot in the back not self defense
Yes but did the other person have a weapon tho he's still fucked
@@HaHa-fw2it self defense don’t go based off weapons it’s if you fear for yours
Doubt he got a gun license , even if he did.. it’s ny.. he’s outta here
Illegal gun
Crazy how the police blatantly lied about bro walking into the shop and murdering dude in cold blue, justice for Kay Flock this has self defense written all over it.
Self defense don’t exist in nyc
Can’t have a gun.
He was charged with Murder all they have to do is prove Kay flock was the gun and the gun was Illegal
No one ever said he walked in and killed him tf? They said he walked in, started the altercation and then took it outside..?
He was flashing a gun through the window Had to be lifting up shirt or he said something
He waved duke off like “ whatever I’m keeping it moving later .. “ no aggression at all .
In NY you can't have an illegal gun on you regardless
Son left the comfort of the barbershop to get steamed by a dude walking with his side chick 🤦♂️🤦♂️.
@@meetmyfiance I know that .. I’m from nyc
Facts
@@whatujackintv.talkcast I don't care
I also heard the jakes say “flock was patrolling the streets of ny by himself looking for ops” when u see him clearly walking with 2 other people honestly disgusting how the media portrayed this
He was in his ops territory strapped up, yes he was patrolling
Didn't you see flock stop and looked into The window
Wit 2 girls
@@Ogjetson yep
🔥🔥 th-cam.com/video/PXCjbNU2SL4/w-d-xo.html 🔥🔥🔥
He did wave his hand as if he was saying man forget you and continue to walk ….So in this video it looks like the other guy was the Aggressor
So why was the guy shot in the back and back of the neck
@@HaHa-fw2it he turned last second trying to retreat but it was too late which probably means he didn’t have the same level of deadly force available but not that he wasn’t going to use deadly force or deadly intent (we don’t know what he said verbally)
@@dark40010 yeah still dont matter in nyc if he was the shooter , my boi going to be locked up for a while.
@@HaHa-fw2it tf u can see in the vid the guy rush flock so obviously key hit him in the neck and by the time he pulled the trigger again his back was turned but u can clearly see the guy rush the dude in black ya keep saying flock like ya want da nigga in jail goofies just say man in black but that guy was the aggressor but at the end of the day this New York we really dont have no self defense law so even if he beats it as some sort of self defense he still gonna do time for the gun also his prior gun charge and they gone add some shit like aggressive use or some shit so all in all if convicted his career done he gone minimum 10 years his best bet is to really beat the case and say thats not him and take it to trial but he gotta pray and hope they really dont have no evidence that was really him only evidence they need is his ping location of his phone to see if he was there at the time and place if then he is clipped clipped extra clipped so hopefully they dont got that on him
but tbh if he gets 10 years come home on good behave and only do 80 percent of his Time he will only have to do 8 he back home 26 if u think about he will still be hella young a kid still and gone be respected and have a huge comeback but ill be dam near 30 im 22 rn thinking's bout dat is crazy
I love how there’s footage of everything but the actual crime scene.
Police most likely have that
Across The Street Camera Is Only Going To Be Played During Hearing. ..
“Open investigation” 🙄
i seen the angle of him on the pavement
Factz
Shiddd let’s just speak hypothetically here Aight…
Dude who coming out the barbershop look like he was poled up himself (carrying)…lets just say after he got shot, the second dude that came out the barbershop ran up to pick the gun up off him before the police arrived. That would make more sense to why Flock killed him in self defense, versus they exchanged words and Flock just shot em. Since we know the police lied, we gotta assume it’s more lies.
I think this murder case may turn into a manslaughter and even possible just a felon in possession of a firearm.
YEA A FRIEND OF MINES BODYED SOMETHING IN THE BX BUT THE DUDE RAN UP ON HIM HE BLEW THE DUDE DIED HE BEAT THE BODY BUT DID 5 FOR THE GRIP
Fax bro bc everybody in nyc prolly has a gun
the dude started walking after him
He needs to take this case to Supreme Court and fight against the unconstitutional gun laws in New York, y’all need to start a petition to free him and Change the laws.
@@cheddabobb3380 yeah I can see that happening in NY. That’s why I stay away from there. I like to keep my pole every where I go and NY don’t support my license. So I keep my distance until I get a lil shordy that will let me use her address just to let me get my shit registered up there
that man went out there to prove a point for no reason and got what cost him his life. prime example don’t let your pride get in the way, he’s a grown man.. that’s an 19 year old rapper, felon or not you could’ve 100% just kept it pushing.
th-cam.com/video/qshqa5NE7y8/w-d-xo.html THIS IS THE VIDEO OFF KAY FLOCK SHOOTING
@@SouKey looks a lil bad on him cause the other dude seemed like he wanted a fist up
@@caribameru9982 it’s never just a fist up I’m afraid, It seems to be this generations problem.
He one of the old mfs that be hatin on the young mfs.
@@caribameru9982 he literally had a gun drawn out dummy, smh if flock stays behind bars 4L thats some bs fr
innocent until proven guilty
the other way around
@@ripli3275 it's innocent until proven guilty
@@JulianTheGameR-SUBSCRIBE not in the justice system especially if you’re black
@@-eu8sx hes hispanic
@@-eu8sx yeah you might have a point
This one fd up I just seen a man drop his pride and kept walking.. giving the dude in the shop the benefit of the doubt but dude start following him and bro had to defend his life .. I wish this happened in Texas or Atlanta this a open and closed case
"Defend his life" lol where do you see Kay's life in danger mr judge?
@@delvispaula the dude literally follow Kay, looking for a fight.
@@delvispaula keep thinking it's sweet, in some other universe It was reversed and flock would be on the news dead if he didn't opp faster
Nah bro he stopped in front of the store there was no benefit of the doubt… he wouldn’t of even stopped if he did not have a problem with boy. He could have said something or was looking at him wrong… why did he stop to turn around? Nobody was even following him yet
@@thriftthrift4638 You commenting this bs but you choose to ignore him waving dude in the shop off and trying to keep going on about his business smh, we know exactly what you’d do if you found yourself in this predicament.
that little hop at the end Is the “I just seen someone get dropped” hop
You ever been that close to a gun shot unexpectedly?
Just like somebody throwing a firecracker at you
Shit probably gonna make you jump alittle
Rs tho bro was finna run back into da shop
still you can't really tell what happened..there's gonna be a lot of theories on this shhit
You can. From this vid and the other ones: Flock walkin pass, dude see him, bop out barbershop thinkin he was shakin ass(lackin) flock see him comin out and asks “What you lookin at?” Then in this video you can see him shuffle like he was gonna turn around but then he heard flock challenge him, so then he walks to his own death. This the same way Dthang in Chicago died. Pride. And underestimated..,
Why police lie like that then? Did they NOT see the footage before making such a claim?
You must be new to America
I know right they said kF went in the barbershop and invited dude outside. 🙄🤨…flock ain’t even go inside..
He’s not completely innocent you see him stop right in front of the barbershop turn around and probably say something.. maybe he scream so loud to the glass if they saw it.. or he was looking at the guy that he had beef with through the glass and he happen to see him.. why would he hesitate while he was walking past the barbershop just keep it moving?
So he did nothing damnn police
@Stewie Griffin they are supposed to say allegedly yet they didnt
Lol this is a exact description of when being tough goes wrong, that boy 18, he was 24 shouldn't be paying that 18 year old no mind
Bruh that’s not how the streets work, it don’t matter what age you is if that’s ya opp that’s ya opp no matter how old he is, you acting like the streets gotta age limit
@@youngboybetter5128 that has nothin to do with his point u clearly just wanna argue
@@youngboybetter5128 bro got popped by a kid
If the higher ups see they can make a dollar off kay he can really get a slap on the wrist them industry arms reach very far!
@@doughran9242 it has everything to do with his point. Frannie was saying the 24 year old was too old to be worried about an 18 year old. Dude replying said age means nothing when you're in the streets and gangbanging. How do you not see the connection?
Y’all know it took him only 20-30 seconds to flock at that man and put him down for good.. in a New York minute everything can change
U see flock look in the store with his hand in his pocket stutter stepping like he was gonna do something then waves his hand off like fuck it then the dudes came out
Son in the shop was grillin
so the other dude the aggressor
New York Penal Law 35.15 states that you can use physical force when and to the extent, you reasonably believe such to be necessary to defend yourself, or another individual from what you believe to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by another individual.
The New York self defense law found in Article 35 of the New York State Penal Law, gives a person the authority to use physical force and even in some cases deadly physical force to protect themselves and also to protect others from a physical assault. The defense of self defense, or justification as it is called in New York, is a defense that must be disproven by the prosecutor beyond a reasonable doubt. Self defense can be a very important defense against charges such as assault, attempted assault, murder, manslaughter or attempted murder.
There ya have it no questions about the law now decide for yourselves
What are the laws about possessing firearms?
Don't forget about the duty to retreat part of that section. I think he's done
You cant have a gun here regardless
it actually doesn't matter if its self defense..he's a felon already and can't have a gun....he's going to prison for weapons possession if he's found guilty or not guilty for the murder... so it'll be a L REGARDLESS
Don’t wish bad on another man .. let this plays out we don’t need ur input
Well yeah but big difference in murder charge vs a weapons charge. 25 to life vs 5 to 6 years on a weapons charge
@@jerkkmaro it’s a comment section lol grow up. Just stating the facts
@@Emajjab true but prison is bad either way and that’s why I made the statement. 5 or 25 I’m sure he’d rather do 0 years
Not a L if he saved himself
They spotted each other through the window while bruh was walking past that quick?
Theres no way
@@bengalboypaco7327 I’m saying wtf how they know
OnG 😂😂😂 niggas spotted each other quick nd he covered up gang
All it take is a second and sometimes that could be crucial and fatal
they were both on facetime before it happened
No way bro came out the barbershop wanting smoke with flip flops on 🤦🏽♂️ should’ve stayed in my boy
So what you need jordans on 🤔
@@bluesmith7592 shoes in general don’t matter what it is niggaz not in prison
He was trying to Slide in some Slides 🤣. He should've been wearing his Tims.
Looks Real Self Defense To Me
We will see
Still a gun charge either way
Self defense in NY??? never, kay flock shot him in the back and neck how was he defending himself if he wasnt even faced towards him
@@londonpain45 he could get bond or bail on that if he beats the M and goes to jail for the gun
@@donny1x true
This pass sad that Boii would’ve had his life today if him just ignored whoever he saw passing by outside smh
Jamaican?
@Stewie Griffin At the moment he did, now dudes dead and Kay in jail, that’s what’s gang banging get you.
Yup yup he gonna beat that💯
Bruh this is New York he’s not getting off
@@Kthomy401 yh fr bro getting like 3 years minimum for the gun
Not in New York my boy
Dumb asl he waited for him to come out he not beating that
@@ashjotti710 exactly he grilled him down which caused him to come out. With The first angle he had better chance kuz it didn’t show him stop and wait just passing
Trust they have more camera angles. They're only releasing a bit at a time. So he did get dude attention in the barber shop to get him outside. This is worse for Kay Flock. And dude was walking away it seems.
They got each other’s attention by grillin each other Kay waved him off on some u not worth the time shit and dude made it his business to press the issue. Kay flock is going down for the gun and probably manslaughter. Idk honestly
@@finessethaprofit7325 if they lied about him entering the shop i'm sure they lied about him being the shooter too
@@tonyrussell7322 I’m pretty sure the ppl who gave that story were ppl from the shop that’s on the victims side so they tryna lie
@@finessethaprofit7325 dude look like he ain’t know who he was then started walking off and Kay must’ve said something to instigate him
@@LilGooney nah they definitely knew eachother… And the dude must’ve said something like keep walking to Kay flock and then Kay flock probably said something like oh aii pussy while the dude started walking off and that triggered the dude to approaching Kay flock and resulted in him getting shott
Hard to be one of them dudes on who ran out to put 12 on kay flock first person callin 12 is black n yellow pants dude
I'm sure he was calling a ambulance maybe that was his friend
Bro in the yellow crocs has me laughing. He stepped up out of that barber shop like lord have mercy I aint dying in this fit.
The Cops "Kay Flock (Government Name) went into the barbershop and started an altercation"
Kay Flock's lawyers are going to eat that story up for breakfast-Clear Lie
There is more video dude
@Stewie Griffin If you look at the initial police report it stated that, " Kay Flock and Hernandez began arguing inside the shop. The pair then stepped outside an continued arguing before 18-year-old shot Hernandez in the back of the neck"
I am just going by the police report versus what I see in the video. All I know is, If I was Kay Flock's lawyer I would bring up the fact that the statement doesn't match the video.
@@streakydrip8792 It doesn't matter that they don't match up that man is still dead
@Stewie Griffin thank you so many internet detectives n prosecutor who clearly never been through any part the system or know the courts beyond law and order lol, prosecution ain't even made there case yet and y'all wanna talk about his lawyers gonna do this and that lol, newsflash what they say now has no bearing this early except for maybe his ability to bond out (which is nyc with a body n two firearm charges in less than a month, he wont). Besides that until the prosecutor bring evidence to court in trial, his lawyers can't do Jack shit besides put out statements themselves the trial take place in the courtroom
Lol he not eating up shit dude
Self Defense all the way he came out the Barbershop walked back.. and walked towards him again
Not Allowed To Have A Gun In NYC. Self Defense Out The Window
Y’all really don’t know the law. Just talking
Nah he going to singing locked up , aint going to let me out.
@@chrisgraham9107 stop talking like u know shit what u mean out the window he can beat it as self defense still but will have to do time for the gun shit aint bout nothing nigga gonna be like 21 when he come home still a baby shit dont go out the window just cause u got a gun u obviously talking like u from New York when u really not
@@chrisgraham9107 your slow u are allowed to have a gun in nyc but only if your not a felon or a criminal Lmaoo only people with clean records can have guns New York is jsut super strict but learn the law before u talk 😂
Its not a matter of if he's beating the case, its a matter of if he gets bond or not tbh
14 months later ..
with the evidence coming out his lawyer should definately beat the body, unfortunately he caught a gun charge a month before this that he bonded out for, plus the weapon involved, highly likely he does 3-5. If he move correctly he can shave time and be home in 12-16 months
dude is doing 25 years off the rip. You fans are confirmed dorks.
th-cam.com/video/lMDqVXhIZfc/w-d-xo.html the Bronx really going crazy rn bro dumped on this tune in ❗️❗️🔥
@@nycliving9514 big facts they are bro 😂…it will be more videos soon
@@nycliving9514 so fuck facts right ? You dead WATCHED the video and still saying anything ? You as mad as the DA gonna be when that body get thrown out lmao relax cuz stop praying on other ppl downfall just cause you spent Christmas alone , you’ll be aight
@@justice_x1092 you not from nyc there no self defense law
First they have to prove that figure is Kay. Second they need an actual video of the murder. Third they need the murder weapon. Self defense isn’t something he can get off with
Exactly throw the whole case away if they can’t find the weapon & then prove It wasnt self defense.. remember they have to prove a case against him ..
He almost have to admit it’s him due to cops statement of him going in the shop and being the aggressor. This footage helps paint a picture the cops have it out for him
Facts but it sucks that he’s gonna sit until all that happens yakno that’s the fucked up part like give him bail with a ankle monitor or something yakno but to hold people in jail to find charges or make them up is foul to me and like you said there was no clear video we don’t even know if that’s him 🤷🏾♂️
They literally have a picture of Kay flock with the same fit on and walking on the same barber
@@g-roc44 might be why they said that so he can put himself at the scene by saying “I kept walkin” that’s all they want
0:27 dude on the right handle that smooth with that quick and smooth turn when the shots went off
Lol good eye. Homie didn't even run or nothing. It was like he said to himself "not this again"
@@crazymike1706 facts
can we please stop looking for trouble? beefing gets you no where, disrespecting gets you no where. this shits ridiculous bro
shit deeper den dat shi ain ever gone end
These dudes enjoy doing this shit & its normal to them they are hypnotised by this life only way to end it is to rot in jail or die
Stop talking about stuff you know nun about this how some people were raise you ain’t no right to judge them bro
@@jayynm2506 everyone knows it’s deeper then it seems, they diss each other on every track like they can’t stfu an stop dreamin bout other niggas, clearly the nigga hopped out the shop lookin for smoke, flock did the right thing his op literally approached him. but all the unnecessary shit? gotta go, sitting on live talkin trash bout the next man don’t make no man tuff
@@ybbetter4345 i ain’t judging them, i pray they all seek help and find inner peace. i was a kid in the hood one day, i literally worked the main corner store wit pops n seen so many avoidable incidents. these people are seeking violence over females
He walked off giving him a pass! Waved his hand like “nah not worth it”!Damn both lost they lives just like that💯
This what i was saying G glad i aint the only one who noticed
Unfortunately in NYC you can't claim self defense for killing an unarmed guy that's arguing with you and then turned and walked away. The other guys were just nosy bystanders not part of his gang.
Nosy bystanders in NY?
@@ashantinyongo7632
Not only in NY
Who said he was unarmed..?
Are you shure lol do you know them personally bro? 🥱🤦
He came out clutching on his midsection bro had something on him
This why i hate social media all they do is give u half the story where are the other angles like wtf you sho the same angle twice
He prolly hit him in the neck first. Then the dude tried to turn and run real quick while Kay was still flocking and hit him in his back. That’s how it plays out in my head
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@@a.rodriguez469 😂😂
Dead🤣
😂😂😂
Outside the box looks like in my opinion: Kay flock saw someone walked by and had body language that said “na, fuck this bitch” and the bitch came out looking for a problem and got put to rest. That shit is a bitter sweet self defence case. Hope he has a good lawyer. Police are a criminal enterprise that just wants to put anyone away for a conviction rate, it’s a business. If properly addressed using common sense and going by the constitution and criminal code this should be self defence but it’s obvious police will do anything to keep young black successful men down especially if they are from the hood. Best of luck to Kay flock
Too bad we cant see if the victim attacked flock and was the agressor
Apparently he did have one.
We can see kay walk away..that's enough proof to show he wasn't the aggressor
@@plopdoo339 yh but they in new york theyll probably class the aggressor as the person who initiated the life-threatening violence first so if the victim didn't have a gun or knife with the intention of using it in that moment i think they'll class kay as aggressor
@@maan4326 yes but one he’s got on his side which a lot people don’t is money so we’ll see what hapoens
@RUSHER they said he wasn't unarmed but idk 🤷🏾♂️
Dudes that was in that store told that fake story
A lot of mfs not from ny and don’t understand we don’t have self defense laws based off of our gun control laws 😭 he’s not even supposed to be outside with a gun on him
That’s a big problem with people not knowing the law, kind of explains why they out here wildin
but if its a %100 self defense situtation wouldn't he get only firearm charges?
How the hell dude in the shop knew to came at flock tho like was he tryna rob him or something ? Cause no way you can say they made eye contact passing the store
Why is flock walkin down the street tho dont he have a whip
Ny traffic is horrible bro. Plus they parking fee like 15 dollars. That is why everything is close. Store, bootleg, food, it all in one area. Worst place too live
For peoples saying he was “patrolling for the the ops” he literally stopped and looked in there and then threw his hand up to say “lets go” it was sef defence no one can tell me different 😭
Shii in Cali he would easily be the case
You guys are also forgetting that he’s a convicted felon who has yet ANOTHER illegal firearm … he’s still definitely facing time for this weapons charge .
That's a def, but still better than murder! He can easily beat the murder charge
8 months with his feet up is better than 80 yrs.
@@crazymike1706 facts atleast its a good chance he won’t get 25 or something like tht
Yea but he's not a dead convicted felon
@@crazymike1706 He not beating the murder either
Dude rly walked straight to his Death … Life is crazy folks .
Rest In Peace 🙏🏾
He who runs away lives to fight another day. He who stands and stays, makes that ground his grave.
@@rickashleysrollofricks7724 real shit 💯
@@FadozTLX I hope you can use this in real life my G stay safe the worlds crazy out there
yk he tried to pull a loaded gun on kay flock and kill him
Look closely at 0:20 looks like the victim was reaching for something in his jacket or pump faking or had the glizzy on him
moral of the story : leave people the fuck alone
moral of the story: Flock not getting out
No gloves so GSR? did he keep the clothes or get rid of them? Is there another camera angle?
Innocent until proven guilty
grown ass men bro can’t just live their life they always need conflict in it shit sad fr
sure there is way more vid cams on that street, across the street down and up the street. why are they hand feeding us crumbs and snip bits. theres cameras all in new york. The waiting game is a bitch. But this is what entertainment and news is now.
Where the full video showin the kid in the mask kept walking back n fourth past the barbershop
He might not get time for killing him but he’s definitely getting time for the weapon. Come on he’s 18
He’s definitely getting time they wouldn’t classify that as self defense … nvm I seen some people say he look like he was clutching and I guess they could use that
@@quintionceed5071 different state
We all have the right to bare arms. You can’t go to jail for doing something you have a right to do
@@NoName-xc4hr he already got a felony I think
@@stuntxrain3467 oh yeah that shit out then
Still don’t see the shoes he had on
As soon as Oscar stepped out alone looked around and it was just him, he wanted to retreat but saw his supposed friend who followed him up. His confidence got boosted and he went out having a possible word exchange with the hooded dude yielding gun who shoots Oscar to Oscar’s death.
RIP.
I’ve learn to quit reacting because of what someone might say or be moved because of someone’s presence.
bro ran at him while having his hand in his pocket.
How tf do ppl even know that's kay lmao he had a whole mask on i dont get it bro how can you make a case with no face shits bogus asf
He’s definitely not beating that ain’t no self defense law in New York foolios
there is self defense laws, just not stand your ground laws
You can protect your property with deadly force but I believe your person you can ima look up the penal code all this shit online
@@TheLoKoProductions illegal firearm already 3-5 plus homie got shot in his back ain’t no self defense
He got shot in the back, that don't fly in NY. NYS don't play with guns at all.
Yes there is
If he do less than a 10 piece I would be astounded
Flock doing 5 for the gun alone and everyone defending him will forget about him within a month
Nah he gone be the next Bobby watch and he was solo ain’t like he can’t snitch this fine boost him fasho
5 half that that’s 2.5 but that’s not him so he’ll be out on the 4th of January
Ok now what if he get a manslaughter?
@@johncena-hq1ti 2 yrs for that max so 7 or 8 total plus time served lol cuz this gone take a while
Next Bobby shmurda lmao bobby ain’t shit
No stand your ground laws out here. Still shakey
If kay flock never entered the barbershop then this was unprovoked attack, he came out the store not kay flock. kay flock should argue self defense
& the cookie shop still don't have video right
Nypd really tried to lie on whoever that shooter was. Ion see Kay Kay or anyone face! Fact of the matter is the guy came out the store being tough and that shit got him boomed. HE went after the shooter & met his faith 🤷🏾♂️
First story i heard was he went into a barbershop told dude to come outside. This shows the opposite! Damm, brothas is target number 1 from all sides these days..but this looks like self defence to me.
That boy getting some time.. no coming home soon. But prayers up and I hope he don't get life.. 2 sides to each story!!
they were walking him down after he literally looked them in the eye through the glass and waved them off and walked away. the cops lied on the police report and to the judge and to the people when they said he entered the barber shop and started the altercation. cops lying on record is enough for a 50,000 dollar lawyer to toss a case out quickly
@@tonyrussell7322 stfu wait until there’s more surveillance.your just coming up with ur own theory’s
@@ABPDL i didn't come up with my own story. in what i just said i only stated facts from the two camera angles that have been released. kay flock walks past the barbershop, slows down, looks left, waves his arm toward the door like he's brushing him off, then he keeps walking away without an issue, i also said the cops lied and said he entered the barbershop, which they did say in their original statement, then i said the "victim" walked out of the barbershop and literally walked down towards kay flock. so tell me where i'm making anything up at all please. please please please respond. omg please respond to me because i have never been more confident in a youtube comment of mine ever in my life i stand ten toes down on what i said.
"2 sides to each story" doesn't really work out once he kills the other side of the story
Wait How is k flock involved in this ???? Someone must of gave the police info and told
From my view, dude that got hit was inside the front of the barbershop door as Flock walked by. They made eye contact. If you look closely, it looks like Kay Flock lifted his coat, and flashed the hammer at Boy before he waved him off and kept walking. Soon after, boy walked out the barbershop and walked towards Kay Flock.
Stall him D-Bo. U right. Like 2x to draw him out then boom. But I'd like to see it from another angle.
but there must've been an exchange of words when the boy came outta the barbershop, wish there was audio
@Jermaine Rey I wrote that it looks like Flock lifted his coat and flashed the hammer at dude. Believe it or not, there's people that are dumb enough to approach people that are gripped up, because it happened before. Some people will even try to take the gun off of the person if they think they could. If dude really saw the grip on Flock, he probably thought Flock was fronting and wasn't going to use it. Some people think like that. They think that they are so gangster and unstoppable.
There's a video online of a whole other person that a news site is saying is him.
The video is a guy going into a shop shooting someone.
Kay Kay coming home 😂 that was a close one
No self defense law in NYC , he doing at least 10 to 15
@@greghealy6624 yes there is it gotta be equal force or you walking away like Kay did but they follow you
@@greghealy6624 there’s self defence laws not stand ur ground laws know what ur talkin about b4 u say it having no self defence laws would be stupid asf
Even if he beats the murder charge, he's doing time for the pistol. NY has strict gun laws.
@@Slim545 If you’re a felon with a grip though...
How do they know if that person was even Kay flock ?
He might not go down for murder but then gun laws will forsure have him sitting in there for a few years
Looked like homie came out the shop wanting smoke then got smoked
Kay Flock still has a chance....Look at Troy Ave...Everyone thought it was over for him and he's living his best life
Difference is Troy Ave killed him with own gun… if kf does time it won’t be long cuz clearly son was the aggressor
@@drizziim0ney854 Troy ave didn’t kill nobody he shot at tax stone and snitch on him for killing his man
Lovely E. The precinct is directly across the street in the block
I saw somewhere that Kay Flock was facetiming his opp, so maybe that glimpse through the window has more impact and info. That we don't know
Anyways this may be misleading, as I said I saw somewhere not sure if it's true
It’s not flock in the video
The dead can’t speak for themselves. Kay looked in that window first and that actually could of been a reason to walk out to make sure the guy would have made sure Kay walked off. But because he can’t say that this may be self defense all the way even if it wasn’t
it's a shame the camera didn't have a further view of the street to record who did what 1st. Ik homie that passed messed up by continuing to go down to where the assailant was.
@@keenandreher5479 yeap
bro all he did was look, your acting like looking through the window is starting something
@@TactsYT no bs ppl can die over the stupidest and pettiest stuff like that bro. It only take glance and a few words to set some ppl off.
@@TactsYT goofy, a story could been made up in defense of why he looked in the window. Anything could of been said way before then to make him look in there. If dude would have lived and killed Kay I bet him looking in that window first would of been a self defense claim for the dead guy
R.I.P OY WASCA
He's totally gonna beat the case now
He gonna beat the murder case but he gonna catch a gun charge
Explain how he is going to beat the murder case
@@mauricetaylor788 Self Defense
@@MyWeeazer there’s no self defense involving a illegal gun in NYC, unless you took it from the victim EXAMPLE = troy ave
No he isn't lmao
dude could of been reading something off the glass; then dude ran out tryna hound him
He’s definitely not getting murder for this
The alleged Kay flock in the video even swiped his hand like forget this dude but the dude wanted to be super tough and run down 😥 now he’s dead ☠️ he could have just let the skinny guy in the black jeans walk away and he would still be alive .
At Max he’ll get a felony possession of a firearm, holds minimum of 5 year with a 42 month stipulation (mandatory 42months before parole eligibility)
Yes he is lmao
Lmao dude at the end called the cops fast asf 🤣🤦🏽
He waved him off. Free Kay Flock mann❤️
The moment the white guy came out the barbershop he knew😂🤣😂
Shit so sad Kay flock was really just minding his business dude lost his life starting shit and flock still has to pay the price since he defended himself NYC is an L
“That’s the streets for ya buddy”
we all need the audio
Damn he put them two females at risk smfh. This life we live in ain’t SHIT. Smh these dudes don’t care who they put at risk of they life.
Yo bro u don’t know if Flock was tryna defend them. Bc he was going by the Barbershop casually and they came and messed wit him.
Wym he ain’t put nobody at risk if anything he defending himself and the females
@UCHrgVs_V3XfNEe2VM3HSkqA nigga I think they are his sisters u talkin bout
If they was his sisters that’s worst he shouldn’t of took them knowing he was ready do what he did. He ain’t know if the other dude was holding they could of got hit smh. I understand y’all his fans but wrong is wrong YALL take it how y’all want. Simple
I’m not here to go back and forth with y’all we all have opinions in life ANd THIS IS MINE. Respectfully.
Daddy Kay flock 😫😫😫🙏🙏🙏🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️🧎🏾♀️
He ain’t gonna beat that case I like how y’all TH-cam police know it all! Let the details come out before we make such bold statements…
You're literally making a bold statement in your comment lmao
Nigga your statement is bold TF
@@Schubes5 I learned off your TH-cam police 👮🏿
@@Schubes5 NY is strict on gun laws and they don’t have a stand your ground law so unless the other dude pulled out a weapon than it’s justified other than that it’s a wrap .
Nigga what details lol
How u trying to get tough in Birkenstock’s
More angles on the way. White peoples live in Harlem n wl- matter. Their for cameras are everywhere. So if son was just poppin shit n he let off he’s done but otherwise he gotta Chance
Who was that? u can’t even see that person face 🤣 & y’all throwing names 😴 case about to be dismissed 💯 NO FACE NO CASE 🤫
“Im in fashion i bet ill up it”
🙄the snitch is in the Black jacket y’all 🙄😢🤔‼️#FreeKayFlock
Those of y’all sayin he’s coming home he’s not cuz he still had the strap on em and it’s illegal
*Naaaa.. no chance.. his opp didn't run on him with a gun nor had 1 to claim self defense.. dude going down.. sorry 😞*
U look like he got something in his coat
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How can the dude hear what anyone is saying from inside a barber shop it seems like he approached the person with problems and he got the shit end of the stick
No face no case can't even prove he did anything tho