And that 28-60 kit lens that the A7C comes with is amazing! I bought three A7C cameras with that kit lens, plus the Sony 24-105 f4 G OSS for the primary A7C and a Sigma MC-11 adapter to use my canon L glass on if I need to. Three video angles for weddings. EXMOR R sensor is class leading.
I love that you're using the a7C. Underrated camera, and yet still crippled. I wonder if Sony will respect the Panasonic S5 II and compete with the upcoming a7C II.
I really don't mind digital corrections as long as they're automatically applied/have a Lightroom preset. If anything it means that the lens is so strong in other areas (i.e. sharpness) that they give us the ability to make up for and take design compromises for gear that would otherwise not have been possible. That and half the time people complain about optical imperfections on new gear, you know somebody would be huffing and puffing about how much character it brings if we were talking about a vintage prime 🥸 (I do love and collect old glass also, no shade there tbh)
The US price on this lens is less than the APS-C 16-55mm 2.8 G. Kinda kicking myself for deciding to stick with APS-C two years back when I bought that lens, now... I suppose the distortion shows why the price is lower, but to hell with it when it's so easily fixable.
Same. I've sold off most of my APS-C stuff. Funny enough I still have that 16-55 I'm trying to get rid of. One of the best on the aps-c I just don't have any bodies anymore.
Currently, you can get a Sony 24-105mm f/4 and a Zeiss 16-35mm f/4 used for the price of this lens new. Currently I don't understand the value proposition unless you just wanted one lens.
sports. means you now have a 20-70mm and a 70-200 range on two bodies. Most dont need wider than that but saves having to carry a third body with an ultrawide for group shots. filmakers. all purpose lens that can do everything. Combine with a 50mm or 85mm f1.2 for low light, bokeh shots and thats all you need. landscape photographers. This is one lens to rule all daytime work. You rarely need wider or more telephoto. One body and lens means you can pack light.
Definitely must have been asleep when this was announced. Totally passed me by, thanks for posting. Very interesting but, 24-70 GM ii FTW! Bought it, love it, must convince everyone it's the most amazing lens ever so I never feel I wasted my money over a 24-105 G, or this one. Probably still wasted, but oh well.
Take as long as you need to get your videos out. From a D7000 user that is loving that Sirui 24mm Anamorphic on my z30. Thanks, and next time you’re in NYC I think you’ll love the advancements made to Governor’s Island. Hopefully you’ll have time to shoot there.
Kaiman! Another review with excellence! Thanks again monstrously much. Filming location and backdrops are exquisite, the overcast sky rendering a nice lighting effect. 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧
I don't understand the obsession with edge to edge sharpness, I mean are you going to use this lens for commercial architectural photography? I don't think so. This lens is obviously aimed at videographers where lets face it with most cameras cropping for 4K & 8K the edges are irrelevant.
Kai! Where is your mic? It sounds like you are talking under a blanket on the outside shots. Also F4 is kind of weak af. Plenty of other fixed aperture lenses are f2.8. FUJIFILM XF 16-55mm f/2.8 R LM WR for one (24-85 equivalent) Sure I often shoot at f5.6 or so. But it's much nicer to have the OPTION to shoot at 2.8 when you need more isolation in tighter shots.
For me, a PERFECT standard zoom with will a 25-50/2.8 or even 3.3 with impeccable optical performance and compact dimensions. I don;t need it to go to 20mm and I certainly don't need it to go to 70.
The Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L USM is/has been my go-to since....2002 or so...I would absolutely love to have the 20-70 focal length in an f2.8L lens...you listening Canon??
You mean the non-IS version? the IS version has been around only since 2014 or so. I still have the non-IS one and I can't imagine how much the 20-70 2.8 Canon would weigh lol
So I guess some Sony Poduct Manager switched from Pana over. ... 20-60 ... Edit: Holy shit, 1500€?? 😄 L mount is alredy expensive but F4 vs. variable 3.5-5-6 is not too far off, and in terms of video Pana is better anyway. shutter angle e.g.
There is one cheap vintage canon that works well... 28-70mm II f3.5-4.5 (Until you find an 'L' lens... Also Lots of fun to be had with cheap adapters... OM, NK, M42 to EF. Add a matching Tamron Adaptall II ( To accommodate Tamron Adaptall lenses...) and grab some great value vintage.... Primes and zooms. E.g Nikon 28 to 80 kit lens, D not G version, is sweet... Of course it will be Manual focus and aperture shutter only.. or if lucky with 70D, A priority..
Here in the EU its 1599€ incl 19% VAT. This is completeley crazy, given the local US price of around 1000€ and the price of around 1850€ for a grey imported 24-70GM II incl. VAT. THis is not a G lens and shows compromises at the edges of the frame. I will buy as soon we get the "right" price. Or I get something similar from a another manufacturer like Tamron or Sigma. Normally Sony follows a resonable price politics. This time they are completely OFF the market.
@@Chris-ey7zy did you miss the part about G lens? Do you know what G lenses are? Do you know what lenses are? Put it all together...if you still need help just read it over several times. It's okay.
@@WHITELIONNYC I’m sorry I triggered you but this isn’t important to the discussion. It’s not about the G lens. A macro lens and a zoom lens is 2 different things. A 20-70 was never made before. Try to use logic instead of being an ass and promote what you own.
looks at my old lenses 17-70 lens from 1966 it's always intersting to see that optically nothing really got improved in the last 70 years... but the processing has gotten so good that it doesn't really matter anymore
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And that 28-60 kit lens that the A7C comes with is amazing! I bought three A7C cameras with that kit lens, plus the Sony 24-105 f4 G OSS for the primary A7C and a Sigma MC-11 adapter to use my canon L glass on if I need to. Three video angles for weddings. EXMOR R sensor is class leading.
Please buy 8 more
I love that you're using the a7C. Underrated camera, and yet still crippled. I wonder if Sony will respect the Panasonic S5 II and compete with the upcoming a7C II.
to be announced in coming days. A7C Mk ll and A7R (higher resolution than standard A7C).
Underrated but crippled?😂😂😂😂😂😂 literally makes no sense at all.
Even the new 24-70 F2.8 Gmii has bad distortion when uncorrected . I guess it's the price to pay for keeping the lenses small.
I really don't mind digital corrections as long as they're automatically applied/have a Lightroom preset. If anything it means that the lens is so strong in other areas (i.e. sharpness) that they give us the ability to make up for and take design compromises for gear that would otherwise not have been possible.
That and half the time people complain about optical imperfections on new gear, you know somebody would be huffing and puffing about how much character it brings if we were talking about a vintage prime 🥸
(I do love and collect old glass also, no shade there tbh)
That UK price is pretty ridiculous! But hey Kai, good excuse to come visit the States!
Kai and Lok aka the Boke Bros taking over NYC?!?! That needs to happen.
@@97nelsn LA too, we got better weather :)
@@studiodreamken and dead land and eyes.
@@studiodreamken B&H is more important than boring Californian weather.
In Europe this lens is more in price than the Sony 135 1.8
At B&H the 135 1.8 is double the price of this lens.
Strange!
The US price on this lens is less than the APS-C 16-55mm 2.8 G. Kinda kicking myself for deciding to stick with APS-C two years back when I bought that lens, now...
I suppose the distortion shows why the price is lower, but to hell with it when it's so easily fixable.
Same. I've sold off most of my APS-C stuff. Funny enough I still have that 16-55 I'm trying to get rid of. One of the best on the aps-c I just don't have any bodies anymore.
Currently, you can get a Sony 24-105mm f/4 and a Zeiss 16-35mm f/4 used for the price of this lens new. Currently I don't understand the value proposition unless you just wanted one lens.
sports. means you now have a 20-70mm and a 70-200 range on two bodies. Most dont need wider than that but saves having to carry a third body with an ultrawide for group shots.
filmakers. all purpose lens that can do everything. Combine with a 50mm or 85mm f1.2 for low light, bokeh shots and thats all you need.
landscape photographers. This is one lens to rule all daytime work. You rarely need wider or more telephoto. One body and lens means you can pack light.
You've answered yourself. Some people do really want one lens. Or maybe two lens (the other being a telephoto such as a 100-400)
Seems like it’s worth the upgrade from my 24-70 Zeiss! Fortunately I work next door to B&H in Manhattan 😌
Definitely must have been asleep when this was announced. Totally passed me by, thanks for posting. Very interesting but, 24-70 GM ii FTW! Bought it, love it, must convince everyone it's the most amazing lens ever so I never feel I wasted my money over a 24-105 G, or this one. Probably still wasted, but oh well.
Take as long as you need to get your videos out. From a D7000 user that is loving that Sirui 24mm Anamorphic on my z30. Thanks, and next time you’re in NYC I think you’ll love the advancements made to Governor’s Island. Hopefully you’ll have time to shoot there.
We shall agree to disagree @@frankfurter7260
Kaiman! Another review with excellence! Thanks again monstrously much. Filming location and backdrops are exquisite, the overcast sky rendering a nice lighting effect. 🇺🇸💛🇬🇧
Here we go :)
1:15 Hey I'm watching!
I would love a 20-50 for max image quality or something equivalent on Fujifilm. That would be a 13-35 f/2.8. Just call it 12-35. I can dream.
The 10-25 1.7 on m43
Great job on the video Kai! Thanks for making it.
Sony should admit that it miscalculated the UK/European price of this lens and readjust it.
I don't understand the obsession with edge to edge sharpness, I mean are you going to use this lens for commercial architectural photography? I don't think so. This lens is obviously aimed at videographers where lets face it with most cameras cropping for 4K & 8K the edges are irrelevant.
It was not THAT cold, Kai.... Good to see you back though after your fevery illness. Your first european flue.
That TNF SUPREME THO..... THANKS!!
Kai!
Where is your mic?
It sounds like you are talking under a blanket on the outside shots.
Also
F4 is kind of weak af.
Plenty of other fixed aperture lenses are f2.8.
FUJIFILM XF 16-55mm f/2.8 R LM WR for one (24-85 equivalent)
Sure I often shoot at f5.6 or so. But it's much nicer to have the OPTION to shoot at 2.8 when you need more isolation in tighter shots.
Thanks for the great video and comparison. Will keep my 24-70 f/4 Zeiss, which is good enough for the price.
The OG one? Got one on my A7s and totally happy with it.
I love the colour and rendering of the 24-70 F4. Great lens. Instantaneous auto focus.
For me, a PERFECT standard zoom with will a 25-50/2.8 or even 3.3 with impeccable optical performance and compact dimensions. I don;t need it to go to 20mm and I certainly don't need it to go to 70.
You must be happy right now.
@@LanguagevlogsVERY! I have the 24-50/2.8G pre-ordered w/ B&H
The Canon EF 24-70 f2.8L USM is/has been my go-to since....2002 or so...I would absolutely love to have the 20-70 focal length in an f2.8L lens...you listening Canon??
4k
You mean the non-IS version? the IS version has been around only since 2014 or so. I still have the non-IS one and I can't imagine how much the 20-70 2.8 Canon would weigh lol
Considering replacing my 24-105f4 for this new lens....but i think it will not include the 8stop stabilization feature with the 7R5
Isn't everything in the UK more expensive currently? They would tax you for air if they could..
I will be buying mine grey and not feel in the slightest bit guilty about it.
I have 3 of the non-G which I use only for video. 📷📷📷
If it was an F2 or F2.8 it would have been the killer lens to have
what if it was f 1.4?
even better @@ilikeitwhatisit
So a different lens then🤷♂️
How does this perform compared to the Tamron 20 40 2.8?
One is a 70 and the other is a 40
In Europe this lens is more in price than the Sony 135 1.8
At B&H the 135 1.8 is double the price of this lens.
Strange!
So I guess some Sony Poduct Manager switched from Pana over.
... 20-60 ...
Edit:
Holy shit, 1500€?? 😄 L mount is alredy expensive but F4 vs. variable 3.5-5-6 is not too far off, and in terms of video Pana is better anyway. shutter angle e.g.
Get that sensor cleaned, please, Kai.
is sony a7iii still worth it?
It always depends on what you want. But its still a very capable and good camera.
Yup
yes but also no. If you can get it cheap and don't need 4k 60, it's very worth it
I can’t afford any new camera equipment. What’s a fraction of the price and in Canon? When I say Canon I mean the 70D.
There is one cheap vintage canon that works well... 28-70mm II f3.5-4.5 (Until you find an 'L' lens... Also Lots of fun to be had with cheap adapters... OM, NK, M42 to EF. Add a matching Tamron Adaptall II ( To accommodate Tamron Adaptall lenses...) and grab some great value vintage.... Primes and zooms. E.g Nikon 28 to 80 kit lens, D not G version, is sweet... Of course it will be Manual focus and aperture shutter only.. or if lucky with 70D, A priority..
I got it at $1200ish in singapore.
The price difference is ridiculous. I would never get this lens if I were living in the UK.
I don't understand why things are so expensive in Europe. Great lens, but for people in some parts of the world, just too damn expensive.
It’s called politics …
Great reason to visit NY 😜
Here in the EU its 1599€ incl 19% VAT. This is completeley crazy, given the local US price of around 1000€ and the price of around 1850€ for a grey imported 24-70GM II incl. VAT. THis is not a G lens and shows compromises at the edges of the frame. I will buy as soon we get the "right" price. Or I get something similar from a another manufacturer like Tamron or Sigma. Normally Sony follows a resonable price politics. This time they are completely OFF the market.
It is a G lens. You can see the badge on the lens.
Yes a cost, a big one because it's a top quality Sony....worth every penny too. But not worth it too me because it's not a fast enough aperture
📷📷📷
The only G lens I have is the 90 macro. It's my favorite lens not for the G but because macro lens are SHARP. 🗡⚔️🗡⚔️🗡⚔️🗡⚔️🗡
How is this relevant to the 20-70 discussion
@@Chris-ey7zy did you miss the part about G lens? Do you know what G lenses are? Do you know what lenses are? Put it all together...if you still need help just read it over several times. It's okay.
@@WHITELIONNYC I’m sorry I triggered you but this isn’t important to the discussion. It’s not about the G lens. A macro lens and a zoom lens is 2 different things. A 20-70 was never made before. Try to use logic instead of being an ass and promote what you own.
A good summary; but like you said, too exxy for me to consider. The End.
the '90s was an f'ing excellent era. compare with the current sh1t show...
Thanks for pointing out the cash grab! Up to this point Sony has been pretty reasonable with $/£ conversions… definitely a worrying trend.
$1400 for a standard F/4 zoom now? Jeez, the Fuji GFX "Kit" lens is only $499. UK Pricing Nazis.
What is blobing …
Stuttgart !! Lets meet for a coffee
Vlogging in 20mm is way too tight lol 14mm all the way
This lense is to damn expensive..
Gandalf, the greatest king England ever new.
yessir
clean your lenses, please !
Its too expensive
looks at my old lenses 17-70 lens from 1966
it's always intersting to see that optically nothing really got improved in the last 70 years... but the processing has gotten so good that it doesn't really matter anymore
id rather carry two lenses than go back to f4 peasantry. and for that price i can get both 17-28 - 28-75 g2 tamrons. not even a debate.
Have fun switching lenses like a peasant ;)
Lunatic price for an F4. Don’t imagine they’ll sell many in the U.K in the current climate, self inflicted by Tory rule.
7 months later the price on Amazon Germany the same as the US, if only Brexit hadn’t happened🤷♂️
F4 though. yuk
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Using a zoom lens for vlogging is like using a fisheye lens for wildlife photography
Since everyone vlogs on an Apple 26mm I guess your right 😂
"tele"
for shooting fish eyes?
not really tho
No
f/4? I'll pass.
First
F4🤦. You can get an older non G master going from 24-105 for cheaper.
f/4? No thanks.