Feels bad man. Always loved your channel and enjoy both your content. Seems like she's got a lot of shit to get through, but it's not your job to fix her issues. You two deserve to not be burdened with another person's inappropriate behavior.
Yes, but it isn't sexual harassments. Stalking, sexual assault, lewd acts, there's all kinds of ways to describe sexual misconduct. And sexual harassment isn't a blanket term for them.@@christinabutterfield1801
Me, who kinda stopped watching after the duo stopped posting: "Gee I wonder what happened to them?" TH-cam Algorithm: "Would you like to know?" Me, now knowing: "Ah. Well, I did ask."
What’s weird is I was thinking about Hannah yesterday and about some criticisms I had about her interactions with people. Never said anything. Never searched anything. Now this just popped up.
Ditto. I just wanted to come back and watch some great videos I haven't watched in 8 years, then I read the description saying Jake and "Hannah". Who the fuck is Hannah? Where's Hugo? Did they split off? Then I found the other video, I sighed, now I'm here. A damn shame about this whole debacle. It was good while it lasted though I suppose.
Wow, Jake. I had no idea. Way back in the day, we used to make jokes about you and Hannah getting together, but we never knew what was going on. I'm sorry if those jokes and comments ever made things harder for you. It's so awful when a friendship falls apart. Love and corn to you and Sarah.
Yeah, this is sad too. Hannah has a lot of the problems I do but I have a lot of the solutions Jake does either in myself or in someone close (generally my husband) A lot of what Jake says is just right. The D&D kick message had me say f’n no in sync with Jake because it is just false. There are people who you are just friends with and will never be lovers, that’s just kind of a thing people have. Jake is right to question the relationship and I think he’s right in the solution. Yeah when I feel bad my solution is in fact obtain dick, it’s why I will never be married. I know I said I am not married and have a husband but hey we have been living together for nineteen years, I am not legally married but like… in every other sense of the word pretty much married.
I was in a DV situation. I am a man. It is always shocking how much people discredit the accounts of male victims. Get over it or it's your fault. It sucks to see it from the communities that say they are firmly supportive of victims.
FWIW, I'm really sorry that happened to you, man. I think a lot of people have a hard time believing victims/survivors because it shakes up their view of the world/the people involved, and they'll support whichever side is easiest for them to deal with. It's never okay, and I know how much it sucks to not be believed or taken seriously.
This is why I have zero tolerance for prison SA jokes. It’s time to stop minimizing this type of behaviour, and handle it with the appropriate seriousness. Men are victims of all forms of sexual misconduct, it’s not a joke, it’s a serious problem. Sorry that you’ve been victimized and then sh*t on by people just for speaking up 😫
same here brother, i prertty much stopped telling women about it, cuz the always say, "well, what did you do to her? you must have done something to make her hit you"
@@anonconspicuous6910 thats not what i was saying at all, im saying its not transphobic to call out a trans woman especially if they cross your sexual boundaries like hannah did
Trans people are people, and some people are shitty, regardless of gender identity. I've known a few shitty trans people in my time. Hell, I've been abused by other trans people in my time. Considering the ridiculous level of scrutiny of our community, the actions of people like that reflect badly on all of us.
This is seriously lowkey what it feels like though I know most of you guys have been watching a lot more i recently quit binge watching Hannah Reloaded after vivid lol
Holy shit, TBR got me through my deconstruction phase of my Christianity and my beginning phase of becoming an atheist. This is disheartening to hear about. I'm sorry to both you Jake and Sarah. This must've been really shitty to get through.
Same. TBR was a big part of my deconstruction. It was TJ, Mr.Repzion, TBR, and Dusty Smith that helped me deconstruct. It’s crazy to hear about all this.
same, tbr specifically revived my interest in studying the bible in relation to history and cultural significance. i credit it for fostering a way healthier relationship with religion as a concept as an atheist than i would have otherwise. i havent followed hannah's work but its still kinda crushing news
i still get to "educate" my friends with funny bible trivia from TBR from time to time. the guards who dont know what left handed people are or the dude who gave his wife to the rape mob. the fact they had to excplicitly ban fucking goats... im probably the most old testament educated person i know, including christians
I had honestly thought the Hannah and you had just grown apart due to diverging interests. Learning all this. What Hannah did is really fucked up, I'm sorry you both went through that.
Anything else I feel about this scenario aside, I'll say this about Hannah and Tayler: I left Hannah's community about 2 years ago. She had been streaming for about 30 minutes and was going to watch a Quartering video talking about Chris Chan. Tayler had an absolute MELTDOWN, completely filling the chat with her demands that Hannah not watch the video and warning her over and over that she didn't like Hannah intending to do it anyway. Hannah ended up cutting the stream for around 10 minutes then came back, started the stream back up and apologized to chat for HER behavior saying she shouldn't be watching stuff like that AND CHAT CODDLED HER OVER IT. It became a bizarre validation circle where Hannah insisted she was in the wrong, Tayler smug-posted about getting her way and chat told her and Tayler they love them and support them and it was ok. I was completely speechless, putting in chat that I can't believe the community had just witnessed Hannah get bullied into cutting her stream off and they were now patting both of them on the head. That made me realize I didn't fit in there, some of her more vocal chatters called me an asshole so I unsubscribed. Didn't like Hannah much after that and definitely despised Tayler, I thought her behavior was absolutely nuts.
I might be remembering a different ChrisChan event but it was very similar. ChrisChan had just been arrested and, like most normies, a lot of us had no idea who this person was so Hannah was going to basically do a lore dump to catch everyone up and who they were and what was going on. Baja FREAKED out. Started yelling at Hannah from off camera about it telling her not to. The chat at the time wanted Hannah to talk about it and you could tell Hannah really wanted too as well with sort of awkward laughing. Eventually Hannah muted stream (as she often does when Baja talks to her) and came back to tell everyone she would not be covering it. You could tell she was mad but wasnt going to confront it and the stream went in a different direction with Hannah being visibly annoyed/upset for a while. Maybe we are just remembering different aspects of the same event tho, idk.
@@ActualJake about the same stream with her melting down over the Quartering video I'm talking about or just something similar? It would be nuts to me to know I wasn't the only one that noped out after that specific event.
@@ChozoLore honestly, hearing that a few people had the exact same reaction to the exact same stream that I had is extremely validating. My reaction was apparently so noteworthy my girlfriend even remembered it when she asked what I was listening to when Jake first posted this. I won't say it's "nice" that others reacted like I did, but it's definitely good to not be alone on this.
I distinctly remember this too. I remember she kept saying something to the effect of "This is my stream. I want to talk about this...Baja I love you but this is my stream. I will talk about what I like and you don't have to be here if this is upsetting to you." She was kind but firm. It was indeed very disturbing to see how controlling and screechy Baja was being over it. I can't remember what Baja was saying but it was some guilt trippy demanding stuff. It left such a bad taste in my mouth how she apologized for her own behavior but I tried to think of it like she just apologized for cutting the stream. But I knew there was more to it.
As a long time TBR fan, this shit is such a bummer to find out. Cringing to death over both her wildly inappropriate and manipulative texts as well as how hard she's trying to make herself some put-upon victim in her response stream because she knows her bullshit is indefensible. And anyone in her cleanly blinded community cant even attempt to defend her disgusting behavior, it's all just "Jakes a narcissist and an asshole, so sorry you're going through this, Hannah!" I detest people who use their own personal misery as an excuse for mistreating other people. Thank you for putting her on well deserved blast, Papa.
@@ComradeRachel I'm actually listening it right now. Hannah accuses Jake of grooming her. It was disgusting to hear from another member of the LGBTQ+ community. Especially seeing how often we get accused of it by rightwingers.
If anyone wants a summery I watched this live, I’ll try my best here. So basically Hannah was very pushy about sexual topics to both Jake and Sarah for months and also constantly trauma dumps to both of them about her loveless abusive marriage. Hannah has extreme self loathing issues revolving around her transition and this keeps her in that relationship, but is unwilling to change anything but then constantly trauma dumps. She sticks with an abusive person because she feels like she can’t make it with anyone else. This makes for an exhausting experience. She also has made multiple sexual passes and remarks about Jake, and doing a lot of boundary pushing behavior in person, she also brings up sex to Sarah all the time. Both of these cumulated in Hannah revealing that she was in love with Jake the entire time, but it’s completely one sided, Hannah was never Jakes best friend, but he was her entire world. In this conversation Jake calls her out for using both him and Sarah for using them for validation seeking behavior and being an emotional vampire essentially, which she owns up to only after implying Jake was responsible for her depression and alcoholism since when Jake moved, it put her in a dark place because she didn’t really have any friends outside of Jake and the wife she doesn’t really love. After this, her tone with Jake gets sour and aggressive tone, with each new conversation she gets more mean and vindictive, which ended in an argument they had the day before this stream because she was starting to bad talk Jake publicly, forcing him to do all this. TL;DR Hannah is a self loathing emotional drain who was in love with Jake for a decade, and expressed this love by constant sexual harassment and after being told just how one sided her relationship with him was, turned into a scorned lover in a sort of “well your a bitch anyway” kind of way
Good summary! I did say I didn't mind discussing sexual stuff with her, like as girl friends, but it was clear in hindsight that she was using i to fish for sexual info about Jake.
I didn’t think that things between her and her wife were abusive. They seemed super cute together at least what they presented publicly. But that’s so fucked
Like 5 years ago, I mailed you guys my old home school science book after you guys had asked for one and a heartfelt, hand-written note. Hannah made fun of my handwriting, didn't read the message, and the books were never used in any content. Knew something was wrong then.
I think the through-line is that your friends are not your therapists. Also under no circumstances should you make the "I have loved you for years" speech, no matter how genuine it is. These are both excellent ways to lose a friend...
0:00: 💔 Relationship breakdown due to repeated bad behaviors and mistreatment. 15:41: 💔 Strained relationship due to lack of effort and emotional frustration. 30:19: 💔 A person expresses regret over past interactions with a friend, feeling sexually harassed and distant. 44:11: ⚠ Conflict arises due to discomfort with sexual advances, leading to honesty and self-improvement. 57:05: 💔 Relationship issues and miscommunication leading to frustration and blame. 1:11:48: 💔 Friendship deteriorates due to unexpected hormone-related oversharing and misunderstanding. 1:26:53: ⚠ Concerns about lack of personal time and social isolation in a friendship. 1:41:31: 😔 Struggling with feelings of rejection, loneliness, and depression after a conversation with a friend. 1:56:04: ⚠ Concerns about a friend's mental health and past friendship issues. 2:09:47: 💔 Betrayal and abuse allegations lead to the end of a friendship and support network. 2:23:42: 🤔 Communication issues and resentment arise in a friendship due to perceived unequal effort. 2:38:13: 🎲 Conflict arises over playing style in a DandD game, leading to a fallout between friends. 2:53:40: 💬 Discussion on ending association with Hannah, addressing assumptions and reactions to personal identity. 3:08:43: 🎲 Discussion about past conflicts, desire to move on, and plans to continue playing D&D with new members. 3:24:13: 💔 Betrayal and communication issues lead to the end of a friendship.
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This is .... I dont know what to say. I had a similar experiance of being propositioned by a trans friend I supported that i did not feel the same towards. Like Jake, i am fairly open with an open marriage. I even saw myself as jake when he described telling Hannah that he was not intrested. When I told my trans friend that i was not intrested in her, and likely never would be, she said okay. She never asked again, or touched me inappropriatly, or asked my wife details about me. She did say to tell her if I ever changed my mind, but never said a thing about being into me ever again. She remains a good friend. We go out on vacation. She is my kids emergancy contact if the schools cant get my wife or I. We do RP together. After seeing this (Jake comming out) i had a flashback to my friend coming out with her feelings. It was uncomftrable, and it took some time to move on. But we moved on. Both of us. As friends. I just had to go and tell her how much i apprciate her being respectful to me and my boundries. I wish Hannha was the same towards Jake.
Seeing Hannah like this really hurt because I used to be a lot like Hannah. I'd use my friends to hold myself up and constantly seek validation from them, all while constantly being the one causing most of my own problems, being too scared to fix them, and not being there when my "Friends" needed me. It took a lot of work and internal reflection to realize what a burden I was being, I lost a lot of people who could have been great friends because i drove them away and it hurt a lot, but I finally realized that I was in fact the problem and worked to fix it. It doesn't happen overnight and i truly hope she's able to get the help she needs to become someone who can stand on her own.
It sucks that Hannah is struggling, I feel like her viewers have been letting her know she's really blossomed into herself. I'm sure there's still things to deal with, I hope she can come to more healthy ways of doing that with somebody who's healthy to be with. I'm sorry her behavior has killed your friendships with her. Seems like you did your best to keep being supportive and good friends.
Unfortunately you can’t save everyone. I hope Hannah gets the help she needs to be happy and value herself, but until that day no reason to subject yourself to this crap. Sorry you lost a friend Jake.
Hoo boy this was a lot. 1 hour in I still thought I could stay subscribed to both. 2 hours in I changed my mind. Not saying Hannah should be cancelled but for my own mental health. For personal reasons I'm not comfortable watching someone with a relationship dynamic like Hannah and Baja, and bringing Jake's father into it was positively mortifying.
after watching the Twitch VOD where Jake reacts to the video Hannah deleted, maybe she should be cancelled jfc. I dont want to underplay all the bad stuff that went on. Imo people should support Jake, and if that is what being cancelled looks like, tough.
@qtc9301 honestly, I have followed Hannah for years at this point and have heard zip zilch nada about this. Anyone who doesn't follow Jake like me is probably clueless.
Coming to say that as a former fan of hers, her complaining constantly in private about her sex life was weird because she CONSTANTLY brought up sex, and flirted with baja on stream. Like just wild. Which is it??
Gonna miss those Chick Tracts. Please don’t ever delete these Jake because they mean a lot to my mom and I. You guys have done a lot for us over the past decade. Thank you for everything, and I hope for the best for both of you.
Really hate "fans" pretending like sexual abuse didn't happen unless you follow their specific demands on how to react like a fucking robot. Don't react too soon, don't take too long to react, take legal action, don't drag it out in court and demand money. Etc Sorry Jake
'Where's the proof?' (Shows proof) 'you're kind of a di*k to be showing those messages' 'Why don't you talk about it?' (talks about it) 'This should've really been dealt with privately, not in front of fans'
I had no idea that this was the dynamic existed this way. I thought you two just had reached a point where you just went your own way. I'm sorry Hannah had disregarded your boundaries this way. It is heartbreaking and sad that you were the one that fought to keep the channel going.
You two were what got me out of my anti sjw phase when TBR was still alive. I remember the exact video I watched when I started to question my beliefs. I haven't been this hurt by a content creator...ever. The stream after this isn't helping with her and her chat downplaying the harassment. I'm so fucking disappointed.
For the first 30 mins or so, I was like, this seems a bit petty. Then it got very real and very hard to watch a friendship deteriorate like this over text. Sounds like Hannah has idealised Jake for a very long time, and that’s the Jake she loved. Not the real world Jake. However, once she came clean about those feelings, the illusion broke, and Jake is now devalued and seen as the “bad” figure. I think it is important for people to keep in mind that Hannah isn’t bad or evil, but damaged. It doesn’t excuse what she put them through but don’t brigade or harass her, it doesn’t achieve anything. What she needs is time, space, and most of all, therapy. Specifically Dialectical Behavioural Therapy. Perhaps it is easy for an outsider to say in hindsight that perhaps much firmer boundaries should have been set from the beginning, but it seems like Jake and Sarah have tried their best to support Hannah.
I am so heartbroken because The Bible Reloaded was life changing for me. I am heartbroken that such a manipulative, unhealthy situation was happening in the background. I'm glad you cut ties. It's not your responsibility to take care of her. She has to deal with these issues on her own and her cycle of harassing you then apologizing for it is a real cycle of abuse. I know how horrific being caught in this cycle feels. I hope she gets help and I'm proud of you for breaking it off.
I'm so sorry that happened. Hannah is clearly going through some terrible things as well. That doesn't justify or excuse what she did though, repeatedly. I loved TBR but you and your partner don't deserve to be treated like that. I'm glad you two cut her off. Hopefully she will get help.
Friendship is *exactly* a project that you put effort into and get rewarded for. Pretty upsetting that she completely dismisses how important and exhausting emotional labour is and can be.
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's clear that Hannah needs help and I hope she gets it. I was a huge fan of TBR and was subscribed to both your Twich channels. It's devastating to hear this. I hope Jake and Sarah are okay from the emotional manipulation and harassment they endured through this time as well. I had a period in time where I was behaving similarly to Hannah so I understand a bit of what they are going through. I had a lot of insecurities and really needed validation from my friends but it became clear that I was abusing my friendships and I learned to start trusting myself and respecting my friends. I'm happy to report that I'm thriving in life now, and I hope Hannah can get there too.
I'll be honest, when I drank a lot to cope with untreated manic bipolar disorder, I exhibited quite a few of the same behaviors as Hannah. I even hit on a friend of 7 years once (though nowhere close to this degree, and when I was sober I never had similar feelings). I was constantly acting rude and inconsiderate, throwing pity parties, making problems out of nothing just to complain about them, formed a victim complex, never did anything to improve myself, then I would apologize a million times and do it all over again. It was one of the darkest times in my life and every day I still feel ashamed I was like that for so long. I did and said so many things I regret. If Hannah is like I was, binge drinking and not taking proper medications, I hope she gets the help she needs. It's a dark, dark road that can destroy every good thing you have very quickly. She was very lucky to have you two as friends. Shame she threw it away. Edit: Just want to clarify that I never assaulted or harassed anyone. I was just mostly self-destructive, inconsiderate and generally kind of a nuisance to be around.
This is shocking and hurtful, as someone who learned a lot from Hannah about trans issues, probably more than from the popular trans influencers. I'm genderfluid and I know it's very unlikely I'll ever pass as femme. I know how it feels to be self-conscious over the way I'm perceived, to be desperate for validation, and to feel isolated like nobody understands me. I too have a history of depression and disordered eating, spurred on by gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. I've said my share of inappropriate things to the people closest to me, and used my friends to trauma dump, my words not theirs. Yet I don't wish I'd been born cisgender, nor act like my interpersonal relationships would've worked out better if that were the case. I can't wish for that, because I literally don't know what that would be like. Trans is who I am. It has shaped my entire life, and I'm not ashamed of that fact. I have lost friends I've known for a long time because they would not accept me. That's on them. I don't need or want people like that in my life, and neither should anyone else. If anyone is going through a difficult time due to social transition, you're not alone. There are people who will love and accept you for who you are. There are LGBTQ+ support groups, like the one I've joined. There are counselors and therapists you can talk to. It sounds like this is something she ought to do, and I hope she can find the help she needs.
I watched this video yesterday, and now I’m watching the Twitch VOD where you reviewed Hannah’s response. She’s being so slimy right now, it’s sickening. The way she’s trying to kill your reputation to downplay her sexual harassment of you is just disgusting. I’m so sorry that you’re going through this nightmare.
Heartbreaking. Have been a fan since TBR days. I have nothing but love and hope for Hannah and hope she can get the help she needs and recover from her cycle of abuse. It honestly sounds like you were better friends than her behaviour deserves. She was the person who taught me that being trans was possible and life gets better. 💜
I watched this video first, and I went to watch her video. It looks like it's been deleted as of 10ish minutes ago. I'm very sorry you guys have had to go through this.
@johnnyfunkenstein Hannah posted a vicious and cruel video where she and her wife downplayed her s****l harassment of Jake, body shamed him, and made it seem like he was in the wrong. She delisted the video, but you can still go to it if you have the link. Any comment that is even remotely critical of her is deleted.
i saw both streams, very hard to watch and so disappointing that Hannah has put you guys through all this for so long. i’ve been watching TBR for a really long time and you two helped me through my deconstruction and gave me a lot of laughs during a really vulnerable time in my life. i’m so disappointed and angered by Hannah and that she put you in a position to have to make all this public, but i’m so glad you got to let all of it out and don’t have to hide what you’ve been through with her anymore. i’m so, so sorry that you both have been so deeply betrayed by someone you guys were such great friends to. sending you and Sarah love and hugs, i hope you both can move past this and heal sooner rather than later
This situation is incredibly similar to one I went through at the end of 2022 as well. Became polyamorous and my best male friend sexually harassed me for months before I finally cut him off. He used to ask me whether I thought he was attractive, very explicitly asking about the terms of my relationship, and even going so far as to ask WHY I wouldn't f*** him. It was a huge betrayal, and I don't think Jake did anything wrong with how he interacted with Hannah, as it is an incredibly uncomfortable. Hannah clearly had a toxic pattern of behavior that didn't get any better, and I'm proud of Jake and Sarah for putting their feet down and putting distance between them and Hannah.
About the million 'sorry's, I recall hearing someone say it's much better to say 'thanks' than 'sorry', because it centers your gratitude toward the people who help you, rather than miring you in self pity. That endless string of 'sorry' is just someone sinking into a swamp of deeply self involved misery.
Welp, there goes another channel. I really liked Hannah and had actually recently recommended her to some friends. Hope everyone involves finds help and healing from all of this.
Theres a friend in my life who I really want (and need) to give similar advice, but Im not sure how to because theyre very bad at hearing criticism without clamming up and mentally spiraling. Listening to how you explain it really helps me to put into words the things Ive been feeling. So if nothing else, putting this info out there tangibly has helped me in my life. Thanks Jake.
Such an important thing that Sarah brings up at some point that I hate needed to be reiterated for some people but you CAN in fact sexually harass sex workers. Heck I do my adult posting stuff just on twitter and Bluesky and it is still a form of harassment to send unsolicited nudes to or requests for nudes from sex workers or kinky people or their partners. History doesnt always repeat cuz it sometimes rhymes instead. The horrors of disregarding someone's consent cuz of "How they dress" is still alive in the year 2024 but nowadays it can also be said "Well you have an onlyfans so you must always be in the mood" or "You post adult content its fine for me to sexually assault you with my own content" Trust was tested, violated and shattered and I hate so much you guys had to go through this and recount this all as well. Sending my positive vibes your way and hope you can put this behind ya now!
If your consent is for purchase, bad people will exploit that. It’s inevitable. Even offering your consent for money puts you in a subhuman category in a lot of men’s eyes
For the past couple of years I've always had Hannah's stream on in the background because I found it chill to listen to while I've painted. But her stream on Saturday was a side of her I hadnt seen before. It was pretty upsetting to witness. But after hearing your side, it's obvious that you airing this didn't come from a place of hatred. Which is the impression you'd have gotten if you just watched her stream.
This is really heartbreaking. I feel so bad for all of you. It reminds me of my sister in a way. She has mental health issues and is trapped in her own mind in a way, and needs constant ego stroking just to feel kind of okay. I feel really bad for her but I can't sacrifice my own mental health to be that person. From a distance though it kind of makes me want to give Hannah a hug. Because I can feel her hurt through the text and problematic behavior.
my blood is literally boiling ... you absolutely can be the abuse victim and the abuser at the same time and being the victim while also spewing toxicity and behaving in abusive ways doesn't excuse the latter. it may explains why it happened, but no matter how deep the manipulation runs it never is an excuse for one's own behavior. speaking from the perspective of a mainly emotional abuse survivor who also ended up being an unintentional toxic and emotional abusive nightmare. I don't shove all the blame on those who influenced me, because those were my actions and tho realizing and getting away from this behavior is hard, it's not impossible. it just depends on actually becoming a better person and taking accountability with your actions, instead of empty words. seriously ... wtf?
I watched this, Hannah’s now deleted response, and Jakes response to that. I’m worried something is gonna happen in her community now. Her video had so much victim blaming, gaslighting, and fans affirming that victim blaming and gaslighting. Dissenting messages or messages that were just asking questions were yeeted. In the first few minutes she basically DARVO’d her own audience by insinuating they were in the wrong for “expecting entertainment” from her issues, and no one had a problem with that apparently. It ain’t safe there.
Even if people didn’t believe Jake for some reason, Hannah’s response was fucking repulsive. Idk how anyone could even just watch her Clickbait Title stream and not feel disgusted with her.
I hope you and Hannah both get the internal healing you need (not saying ya'll have to come back together as friends, just that you both find the healing needed because this was rough)
Recently rediscovered you after a while away from political/atheist youtube. I did wonder vaguely about Hannah, but I had no idea. I'm so sorry, man. This kind of thing is awful enough, but especially painful and shitty to deal with when it comes from someone you considered a friend for a really long time. Much love & I'm so sorry you went through this.
A long time ago on Hannah's stream, I got uncomfortable when Baja (Tayler?) brought up details about her and Hannah's sex life. Hannah was visibly uncomfortable and tried to change the subject, and Baja kept going in on it multiple times. Not okay no matter what, but it was weird to hear that Hannah did the same to you :/ (ETA: I mean a similar thing, I guess. Not the same, but generally along the lines of disregarding the other person's boundaries.) I was a big fan of TBR and haven't really kept up with either of your streams because they are so much longer, comparatively, and I'm more into religion than politics. But I have been there for some (both yours and Hannah's). I'm sad that your relationship has soured, especially with harassment and shitty dynamics from her side. Take care, Jake and Sarah.
I am honestly stunned at how supportive and nice you kept on being even after her repeated abuse, time and time again. Regardless of the outcome, you should be proud of yourselves.
I’d been a subscriber of the Reloaded channel since 2011 or 2012, and it got me through a really rough few years following traumatic religious upbringing. I’m so sorry to hear the shit you went through, Jake. That’s not fair. It pains me to hear how far back this goes, and that so much fell on you to keep the channel alive even then.
I've unsubscribed from Hannah. Saw her stream today and it absolutely disgusted me. You don't deserve the sexual harassment you faced, hoping you and Sarah happiness, and I sincerely hope Hannah gets help.
After watching Hannah’s now private response stream it’s weird the only points she didn’t address was propositioning while in a relationship and not being into her now wife it’s just weird she ignored that
Ya, she blew her sexual harassment off as "i thought i was my DnD character" and left it at that. Its really messed up that she is trying to use that as an excuse, but im sure she feels if she swings it into a "i was just mentally unwell so its not my fault" her audience (who is also a lot of tenderqueers) will give her a pass without digging too deep into it.
@@dannil9878 Jake still has a VOD on his twitch from about 2 weeks ago when this happened, he watched and responded. It's called something like "Hannah is streaming now"
Man, listening to this was like watching in horror as someone recounts their experience of a train wreck, but it lasts months. I feel bad for Hannah because I know what it's like to feel stuck in a bad situation, but that doesn't mean I don't support you guys in removing yourself from her. It really does seem like you exhausted so much emotional energy trying to help her out of her situation only for her to keep falling back into it. Of course the sexual harassment stuff is also a huge red flag and I hope that once she gets out of her situation she can find a good relationship and hopefully reach a point where she can apologize from a place of sincerity and not simply so she can keep using you for sexual and emotional attention. I don't expect you two to ever get back together as friends or even just for content after this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. Even watching you two talk about how frustrated and angry you have been with how she has treated you, it's clear how much it hurts you to leave her in her relationship with Baja and have to make this video. I know I'm just some guy in the comments, but I really do hope you can find peace now that this is out in the open.
Really upsetting, being a fan of you guys both. I started to realize i was trans-fem around the same time as her and it was inspiring to see her have a friend group and a loving community. Hoping Hannah gets help and the whole situation is worked through. Because you all deserve be happy and its shitty that it's become like this.
Hannah was the first creator I was following who came out and taught me that this was an option. Her saying "I didnt want to be trans" was the main crack in my egg
Hanna seems very much like a "crisis friend" Also there are so many parallels between how she's acting and my ex. Hearing someone else sharing and saying "This is not okay" really helps me accept that I was abused. Thank you!
Im so sorry you guys had to go through this. I remember several times on camera when Hannah would put Jake down, but never the other way around. Its a dynamic I can only fully recognize in hindsight, but I do remember that happening and being mildly uncomfortable about it when it did. At the time I just assumed I was misreading things. I just wanted to say that to further confirm whats being said here about the pattern of behavior. It seems like hannah, knowingly or unknowingly, used jake as crutch for her own selfworth because of the issues she hadnt recognized or dealt with. He was the punching bag, saviour, or blank canvas of projection depending on what she needed. I feel for the emotional pain that kind of behaviour must come from but thats not an excuse. As a long time fan I could've never imagined the level of harm things got to. You guys are a big reason I'm an atheist (and an antithiest thank you Jake) so Ive watched alot of content from both of you through the years, and while after the split I really only enjoyed Jakes content, I was always happy to check in on Hannah and see her coming into herself as a person more. I hope she gets to a better place and puts in the work to be a better person for both her sake and anyone else's in her life. I wish Jake and Sarah all the best, and have so much respect for how you guys handled this. This sucks and you guys were saints.
This whole stream really hit me hard. I know the feeling when you do your best to pour time and effort into a friendship only for that person to go from "you're literally my only friend" to "actually fuck everything you ever did for me". Add on top of that how many people doubt you and victim blame you when you KNOW they'd be reacting differently if you weren't a man... Dude, my blood is boiling and it didn't even happen to me. I can't imagine how you felt dealing with all this for so long.
I've been a long time fan of TBR. Got in because of their early Drunken Peasants appearance. And I've since been a big fan of Jake's content - Twitch streams, the D&D content, etc. Hannah's solo stuff never really grabbed me much, but I did watch them on occasion. Like many others, TBR was extremely helpful for me having been raised Christian, and Hannah's coming out was also very helpful, because I'm trans as well. With all of that said, this entire thing is just terrible, and I can't possibly understand why anyone could side with Hannah and her wife after all of this has come to light. Jake had receipts, he had proof of all of his claims. Hannah's "response" stream was full of disgusting, petty garbage, especially from her wife, and it was extremely clear that they hadn't seen the vod of Jake's stream and were actively framing Jake, and influencing their circle of followers away from watching it. I've unsubbed from Hannah on every platform I followed her on, and won't ever watch her again. For what it's worth, I'm a long time fan who appreciates the community that Jake's cultivated - I don't catch them live, or chat much, but I watch almost all of the stream vods. I know Jake and Sarah are probably reading the comments to filter the chuds. So, I'm sorry you guys had to go through all of this. Seeing the two of you so upset and emotional in the vod of the second stream was genuinely upsetting, and I really feel for you guys. In a parasocial sense, I suppose. It's awful that you had to go through harassment, defamation, all of this manipulation and emotional labour.
Jake, I applaud you for your patience, upstanding nature, and, as a trans man in the trans punk community of Portland, I find you to be an incredible ally to our community. In no way has your response rightfully speaking up about the abuse you experienced done any harm to the queer community and anyone suggesting such has lost the plot. Queer folk are equally as capable of inappropriate behavior and abuse. I find Hannah's behavior detestable and wish you and Sarah the best moving forward, hopefully in the absence of this toxic figure. That said, I too hope Hannah leaves her abusive marriage and takes the steps necessary to improve as a person and recover. It is such a shame to see someone so vital to the trans and athiest journeys of oppressed, conservative raised folks such as myself turn out to be so abusive and dishonest in her daily life. I personally have taken so much of Jake's positive advice (in response to destructive individuals like Hannah and Dave) truly to heart and I wish Hannah would do the same. I'm an autistic trans person with mental illnesses who has suffered abuse; I know it is completely possible for someone of this demographic to be a relatively healthy, growing individual who uplifts their loved ones. Thank you for sharing your experiences, Jake and Sarah. Best of luck.
I'm not a doctor but I think I can say this: Hannah's behaviour is VERY similar to mine as a teenager before I received a diagnosis for Borderline personality disorder and was put on meds for it. Hannah's behaviour seems pretty textbook BPD. She needs meds, as The Last Podcast on the Left repeatedly has said "mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility"
I thought the same thing about BPD! I also did similar shit when I was younger I was only diagnosed a year ago, but already through therapy, and just knowing that theres a actually a reason I do and did stupid shit was a life saver
@@darthmoonbear4835 I'm glad you found that assistance. Obviously I'm not a doctor and I can't say which medication Hannah should be on, but based on her behaviour's similarities to mine in a similar situation I think she would be best suited by some combination of medication and therapy
@@nickl1483 agreed. Adhd and bpd is a hellish combo, but thankfully, with treatment, bpd has a (I think, but it may be higher) 93% full remission rate! Its actually the most successfully treatable personality disorder! I just really hope Hannah gets the help she needs, and Jake and Sarah get to move on and recover
AND IT ALSO SUCKS FOR SARAH. Like Hannah was a friend! Your way better then me because how Hannah was talking about Jake makes ME UNCOMFORTABLE! I can’t imagine how insanely awkward and just disappointing seeing this in real time was. Sending love to you and sarah ❤
Holy shit, as a fan of TBR for over a decade this was hard to watch. I just assumed you and Hannah became busy in your own personal lives and naturally grew apart, but I never would have expected this. I hope you and Sarah are doing okay. Neither of you deserve any of this pain.
I said this in the livestream but I will repeat; I 100% saw this behavior from Hannah beginning to brew in the later TBR videos. To me, Jake was clearly uncomfortable but trying to roll with it.
Being a queer woman does not absolve someone of responsibility, I'm so sad that this happened to you, and I hope you are able to heal from it - it sounds like you have a decent support network, and I'm glad for that. Having dealt with some of the things Hannah has - transitioning late in life, but moreso the alcoholism, and how they can intermingle - I feel like you could be slightly off on some of your interpretations of her motivations, but I recognize the patterns in what she has said from my "past life", so to speak... I repeatedly found myself saying "oh no... not that..." through so many of her messages. She *is* being dishonest somewhere, and likely being dishonest with herself. I certainly was at the worst of my experiences. If she's dishonest enough with herself, especially compounded by memory issues caused by alcoholism even years after quitting, she might believe she's not being dishonest with others... But none of that changes the underlying dishonesty. I hope she finds a way to see it, figures it out, and finds her path to healing, and I hope she is going to therapy because it's probably necessary. There will be no easy path for her at this point. I'm sad for all of you.
This. All of this. Many people can be trans and queer and neuro-divergent and whatever else they’re gonna be…without being like that. It’s ok to not be perfect and to have room to grow. But going by the texts…it seems Hannah has maybe put some of that off and needs to play catch-up.
Lampshading: when you attempt to get ahead of your bad behavior by admitting to it in a shallow yet performative manner. This is a world record for lampshading. I'm only halfway through, but the both of you are heroes for wading through the obvious sludge to salvage your friendship. Sorry guys, this kinda thing is brutal.
This woman needs serious therapy, she needs to not be in the relationship she's in with Tayler, and she needs to maybe even step off the internet for a bit. She needs and deserves to get better. Im by no means diagnosing her, but as someone with BPD, I can see behaviors I am guilty of in her words. She just needs to speak with a therapist and establish a therapist-client relationship with one so she can let go of the FP version of Jake in her head, and move on. She is abusive, and she probably doesn’t even realize it. Thats not her fault, but her actions are. Hannah deserves the world, but she has to reach for it by herself. Edited to add: Hannah very clearly doesn't even like Jake. She talks poorly about the parts of him she thinks are a front and hopes theres something underneath that matches what she wants. It is crazy cognitive dissonance and I am willing to bet that's how she stays with Tayler.
Thank you for this steam. It is weird and difficult, but I do think stuff like this is important; Jake should not have to carry stuff like this as a public figure dealing with the public repercussions of the toxic relationship. Victims should be able to share their stories. Also it models good human interaction when faced with abusive people like this, as well as highlights cycles of abuse that can be extremely difficult to identify while it is happening to you. And I appreciate having a little more insight into the relationship between public figures. I was super excited to see Hannah making an appearance on a channel just from the reputation of TBR. Now that I am aware of the abuse I can make an informed decision on my consumption, as well as not bring up past trama to a victim. Thank you again.
Longtime fan, all the way back to TBR days. So sorry to see and hear all of this. You did your best, man, and Hannah's got a lot to work through. All the support in the world can't make up for someone who won't do the work for themselves. Hope it gets better for everyone involved, even if that doesn't include reconciliation. Wish you all the best, man.
*edit Taylor = Baja. Yeah, have not been a fan. I actually called Baja on claiming to have a migraine while sitting in a brightly lit room and loudly streaming with Hannah. I explained how it hurts people who have debilitating migraines to claim every headache as one. She immediately jumped on me. I don't like when she interjects herself into the streams either. She seems extremely self centered and controlling.
I stopped watching Hannah largely because of how Baja would just leer and hover over Hannah on the streams. I never saw how bad it got I guess, because it made me uncomfortable from the beginning. You're right, its like Baja just can't let Hannah have her own thing without interjecting into it.
This is more or less what caused me to leave Hannah's community too. Over time Tayler crowbarred her way into not only controlling chat and the TH-cam channel, she made herself the co-streamer too. There was a stream where she she went absolutely insane and demanded Hannah not watch a Quartering video about Chris Chan that got so out of hand Hannah cut the stream, then when she started it back up 15 or so minutes later SHE apologized for HER behavior instead of Tayler apologizing and chat absolutely babied them about it. It was a bizarre validation circle and chat attacked anyone who called out what had just happened. It was disgusting.
I mean, you can absolutely have a migraine and not have photosensitivity or loud noises be a bother. Migraines suck and I have chronic migraines, but migraines vary in severity and can be mild or severe and migraines can occur without head pain.
Hannah made a lot of gross, body shaming comments and petty remarks and allowed her audience to do the same. We took that as a sign she isn't willing to own up to her behavior and so a clean cut is really needed.
I've loved watching her streams for almost a year but I personally don't want to watch her content now. I hope she gets help and gets out of that toxic relationship but I don't feel like watching her content anymore.
Wow... I'm so sorry Jake. This hurts ( in a para-social way) because of how you treated hannah during her transition I was able to acknowledge I am queer, so you have always helped me so much.
The content the two of you put out under "The Bible Reloaded" was such a breath of fresh air to me all those years ago. I'm sorry this friendship broke down, but in the end, it also sounds like it was the best thing for you to do. I hope Hannah gets the help she needs, and is able to seek more fulfillment in the future.
Well that just sucks all the way around. I feel for y'all and I feel for Hannah as well. I hope she figures herself out with time. Wild to hear this behind the scenes stuff. I've been a fan since the beginning
Jake, I am so deeply sorry for the abuse and years of toxicity that you’ve had to endure from Hannah. I’ve been a long-time fan of TBR and I’m heartbroken to learn that you’ve been suffering in silence for so long. Your and Hannah’s covering of chick tracts helped me heal some of my religious trauma by empowering me to be able to laugh at the doctrine that once kept me in fear. I hope that you, Sarah, and all who’ve been affected by Hannah’s despicable behavior can find healing as well with time. All my love ❤
She isn't and really never was. They raided each other sometimes on twitch and i think Hannah provided some information about a topic blair was going to cover before all that stuff came out. I dont think they talked outside of that afaik. Hannah didn't associate with her after that. People in chat just dog piled on what was essentially a baseless rumor.
I hope Hannah starts therapy and starts to make improvements in her life where they count. Watching this has made me start to realize some things in my life too. Good vibes to you and Sarah. It’s so fucking hard to put on blast someone you’ve considered a friend for a long time. Edit: I spoke too soon. I still wish her well but holy f*ck, the manipulation she pulled is really something.
This is highly unfortunate.. I hope she gets better, these type of situations are so hard 😞 I remember finding you two somewhere in the middle of Genesis years ago and excitedly looking forward to every new episode. Best wishes and everything 😢
I'm an hour and a half into this and I'm having so many flashbacks of my previous abusive relationship.. in some ways I feel validated with the way that you both are calling out the abuse, having experienced similar.. at the same time it's just sad to hear.. I can't keep watching this. I'm sorry, I hope you are able to recover from the situation. 💜
@@NathanaelNewtonthis video is genuinely important because it shows so many different patterns and cycles of self sabotage and abuse. Even if you don't experience exactly that it's a good show case of how attitudes and environment can develop into severe mental issues
You both were genuinely such great friends to her, with so much compassion and patience (which is kind of inspiring even). Sarah, you were still so kind and caring to Hannah even after her confession to Jake. I can't imagine how anyone being friends with you could do something like this to you. You deserve so much better. Props on being able to hold all of this in for this long, I wouldn't have been able to. People who say opening up about this is drama stirring are wrong and should put themselves in your shoes. It's very evident that you tried your best to handle the situation maturely and in private, even at your own cost.
I always figured a falling-out or similar was the reason behind TBR disappearing, but I never could have imagined just how bad the mistreatment and harassment were. It's awful that you were put and this position, and I hope now that it's out there you can finally move on and maybe find some closure
I was very hesitant in clicking on this and was feeling like this was an attack on Hannah's Character just for the sake of it...but as I am now more than 20 minutes in and I am saddened to see what is going on behind the scenes. It sounds like there is alot of hurt, misdirection, abuse, and insecurities happening on all sides...I still love Hannah's content but I will now hope things change for the better in her and Jake's personal life. 😔
TL;DR, Hannah sexually harassed me and blew up the friendship when we told her it wasn't okay.
Feels bad man. Always loved your channel and enjoy both your content. Seems like she's got a lot of shit to get through, but it's not your job to fix her issues. You two deserve to not be burdened with another person's inappropriate behavior.
Hope things end up going well for you. You deserve it Jake. You put up with a lot that you shouldn't have had to
@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo you can be harassed outside of work and power dynamics
Respectfully, you are incorrect.
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo
Yes, but it isn't sexual harassments. Stalking, sexual assault, lewd acts, there's all kinds of ways to describe sexual misconduct. And sexual harassment isn't a blanket term for them.@@christinabutterfield1801
Never before in my life, have I silently asked a question and received an answer I did not want so much
Never before in my life have I been less surprised about an outcome
@@SandyCheeks1896 it’s certainly wasn’t a surprise, but it was an answer that I wish had been different.
Me, who kinda stopped watching after the duo stopped posting: "Gee I wonder what happened to them?"
TH-cam Algorithm: "Would you like to know?"
Me, now knowing: "Ah. Well, I did ask."
Same boat. This is effed up.
What’s weird is I was thinking about Hannah yesterday and about some criticisms I had about her interactions with people. Never said anything. Never searched anything. Now this just popped up.
This is exactly how it happened for me
Omg. Same.
Ditto. I just wanted to come back and watch some great videos I haven't watched in 8 years, then I read the description saying Jake and "Hannah". Who the fuck is Hannah? Where's Hugo? Did they split off? Then I found the other video, I sighed, now I'm here.
A damn shame about this whole debacle. It was good while it lasted though I suppose.
Wow, Jake. I had no idea. Way back in the day, we used to make jokes about you and Hannah getting together, but we never knew what was going on. I'm sorry if those jokes and comments ever made things harder for you. It's so awful when a friendship falls apart. Love and corn to you and Sarah.
Thank you for your kind words
So, I guess we have an explanation as to why there's been no posts to Hannah & Jake in several years. Jesus Christ, dude.
Yeah, this is sad too. Hannah has a lot of the problems I do but I have a lot of the solutions Jake does either in myself or in someone close (generally my husband)
A lot of what Jake says is just right. The D&D kick message had me say f’n no in sync with Jake because it is just false.
There are people who you are just friends with and will never be lovers, that’s just kind of a thing people have.
Jake is right to question the relationship and I think he’s right in the solution. Yeah when I feel bad my solution is in fact obtain dick, it’s why I will never be married.
I know I said I am not married and have a husband but hey we have been living together for nineteen years, I am not legally married but like… in every other sense of the word pretty much married.
I was just wondering about that a few days ago. No need to wonder anymore.
Yeah it's sad. Guess we'll never see that series completed.
I was in a DV situation. I am a man. It is always shocking how much people discredit the accounts of male victims.
Get over it or it's your fault. It sucks to see it from the communities that say they are firmly supportive of victims.
FWIW, I'm really sorry that happened to you, man. I think a lot of people have a hard time believing victims/survivors because it shakes up their view of the world/the people involved, and they'll support whichever side is easiest for them to deal with. It's never okay, and I know how much it sucks to not be believed or taken seriously.
This is why I have zero tolerance for prison SA jokes. It’s time to stop minimizing this type of behaviour, and handle it with the appropriate seriousness.
Men are victims of all forms of sexual misconduct, it’s not a joke, it’s a serious problem.
Sorry that you’ve been victimized and then sh*t on by people just for speaking up 😫
same here brother, i prertty much stopped telling women about it, cuz the always say, "well, what did you do to her? you must have done something to make her hit you"
@@domm5715 weird. That's what cops used to say to women DV victims.
FWIW this is often what happens to female victims too. No need to create false divisions where they don’t exist
Oh man, I used to watch the Bible Reloaded all the time when I was a teen. Sad to hear.
real as fuck
Woah, hey Greeg! Weird seeing you outside of Twixxer
@@yoyohayli Oh shit what’s up? :D haha that’s interesting. Never seen a Twitter moot on another social media platform haha
Subbed 😎
Same. A big part of my current worldview formed years ago thanks that community of channels.
Well, it seems I'm in good company here. I also watched them religiously, ironically enough.
This is why I hate texting. I hate having a cringey record of everything that's been said.
As a trans woman its gross people are invalidating your experience just because you're cis, im sorry you had to deal with this for so long
@@anonconspicuous6910 thats not what i was saying at all, im saying its not transphobic to call out a trans woman especially if they cross your sexual boundaries like hannah did
Trans people are people, and some people are shitty, regardless of gender identity. I've known a few shitty trans people in my time. Hell, I've been abused by other trans people in my time.
Considering the ridiculous level of scrutiny of our community, the actions of people like that reflect badly on all of us.
@@shialecuck4149trans misogyny is when you call out sexual predators?
@anonconspicuous6910 I hope you grow up someday.
@@anonconspicuous6910why? 😂. Why did you post this. Just honestly curious. This is straight stirring the pot man. 😂
I’m now a child of divorce and I’m choosing dad
This is seriously lowkey what it feels like though I know most of you guys have been watching a lot more i recently quit binge watching Hannah Reloaded after vivid lol
Our bags are packed, we are moving in with Dad
Holy shit, TBR got me through my deconstruction phase of my Christianity and my beginning phase of becoming an atheist. This is disheartening to hear about. I'm sorry to both you Jake and Sarah. This must've been really shitty to get through.
Same. TBR was a big part of my deconstruction. It was TJ, Mr.Repzion, TBR, and Dusty Smith that helped me deconstruct. It’s crazy to hear about all this.
same, tbr specifically revived my interest in studying the bible in relation to history and cultural significance. i credit it for fostering a way healthier relationship with religion as a concept as an atheist than i would have otherwise.
i havent followed hannah's work but its still kinda crushing news
i still get to "educate" my friends with funny bible trivia from TBR from time to time. the guards who dont know what left handed people are or the dude who gave his wife to the rape mob. the fact they had to excplicitly ban fucking goats... im probably the most old testament educated person i know, including christians
I had honestly thought the Hannah and you had just grown apart due to diverging interests. Learning all this. What Hannah did is really fucked up, I'm sorry you both went through that.
Anything else I feel about this scenario aside, I'll say this about Hannah and Tayler:
I left Hannah's community about 2 years ago. She had been streaming for about 30 minutes and was going to watch a Quartering video talking about Chris Chan. Tayler had an absolute MELTDOWN, completely filling the chat with her demands that Hannah not watch the video and warning her over and over that she didn't like Hannah intending to do it anyway. Hannah ended up cutting the stream for around 10 minutes then came back, started the stream back up and apologized to chat for HER behavior saying she shouldn't be watching stuff like that AND CHAT CODDLED HER OVER IT. It became a bizarre validation circle where Hannah insisted she was in the wrong, Tayler smug-posted about getting her way and chat told her and Tayler they love them and support them and it was ok. I was completely speechless, putting in chat that I can't believe the community had just witnessed Hannah get bullied into cutting her stream off and they were now patting both of them on the head.
That made me realize I didn't fit in there, some of her more vocal chatters called me an asshole so I unsubscribed. Didn't like Hannah much after that and definitely despised Tayler, I thought her behavior was absolutely nuts.
I might be remembering a different ChrisChan event but it was very similar. ChrisChan had just been arrested and, like most normies, a lot of us had no idea who this person was so Hannah was going to basically do a lore dump to catch everyone up and who they were and what was going on. Baja FREAKED out. Started yelling at Hannah from off camera about it telling her not to. The chat at the time wanted Hannah to talk about it and you could tell Hannah really wanted too as well with sort of awkward laughing. Eventually Hannah muted stream (as she often does when Baja talks to her) and came back to tell everyone she would not be covering it. You could tell she was mad but wasnt going to confront it and the stream went in a different direction with Hannah being visibly annoyed/upset for a while.
Maybe we are just remembering different aspects of the same event tho, idk.
I've heard this same story MULTIPLE times from different chatters
@@ActualJake about the same stream with her melting down over the Quartering video I'm talking about or just something similar? It would be nuts to me to know I wasn't the only one that noped out after that specific event.
@@ChozoLore honestly, hearing that a few people had the exact same reaction to the exact same stream that I had is extremely validating. My reaction was apparently so noteworthy my girlfriend even remembered it when she asked what I was listening to when Jake first posted this. I won't say it's "nice" that others reacted like I did, but it's definitely good to not be alone on this.
I distinctly remember this too. I remember she kept saying something to the effect of "This is my stream. I want to talk about this...Baja I love you but this is my stream. I will talk about what I like and you don't have to be here if this is upsetting to you." She was kind but firm. It was indeed very disturbing to see how controlling and screechy Baja was being over it. I can't remember what Baja was saying but it was some guilt trippy demanding stuff. It left such a bad taste in my mouth how she apologized for her own behavior but I tried to think of it like she just apologized for cutting the stream. But I knew there was more to it.
As a long time TBR fan, this shit is such a bummer to find out. Cringing to death over both her wildly inappropriate and manipulative texts as well as how hard she's trying to make herself some put-upon victim in her response stream because she knows her bullshit is indefensible. And anyone in her cleanly blinded community cant even attempt to defend her disgusting behavior, it's all just "Jakes a narcissist and an asshole, so sorry you're going through this, Hannah!"
I detest people who use their own personal misery as an excuse for mistreating other people. Thank you for putting her on well deserved blast, Papa.
Yeah, as a fellow long-time TBR fan, this is kind of heartbreaking to see. This past month already feels like a damn year.
There was a response stream? I am curious if it was hidden or deleted.
@@ComradeRachel it was delisted. Jake has a vod on twitch where he reacts to Hannah's now unlisted stream video
@@ComradeRachel I'm actually listening it right now. Hannah accuses Jake of grooming her. It was disgusting to hear from another member of the LGBTQ+ community. Especially seeing how often we get accused of it by rightwingers.
If anyone wants a summery I watched this live, I’ll try my best here.
So basically Hannah was very pushy about sexual topics to both Jake and Sarah for months and also constantly trauma dumps to both of them about her loveless abusive marriage. Hannah has extreme self loathing issues revolving around her transition and this keeps her in that relationship, but is unwilling to change anything but then constantly trauma dumps. She sticks with an abusive person because she feels like she can’t make it with anyone else. This makes for an exhausting experience. She also has made multiple sexual passes and remarks about Jake, and doing a lot of boundary pushing behavior in person, she also brings up sex to Sarah all the time.
Both of these cumulated in Hannah revealing that she was in love with Jake the entire time, but it’s completely one sided, Hannah was never Jakes best friend, but he was her entire world. In this conversation Jake calls her out for using both him and Sarah for using them for validation seeking behavior and being an emotional vampire essentially, which she owns up to only after implying Jake was responsible for her depression and alcoholism since when Jake moved, it put her in a dark place because she didn’t really have any friends outside of Jake and the wife she doesn’t really love.
After this, her tone with Jake gets sour and aggressive tone, with each new conversation she gets more mean and vindictive, which ended in an argument they had the day before this stream because she was starting to bad talk Jake publicly, forcing him to do all this.
TL;DR Hannah is a self loathing emotional drain who was in love with Jake for a decade, and expressed this love by constant sexual harassment and after being told just how one sided her relationship with him was, turned into a scorned lover in a sort of “well your a bitch anyway” kind of way
Just to add to this, throughout the ordeal, Jake tried his best to be a good friend until too many boundaries were crossed
God that's so sad. I feel bad for everyone.
Good summary! I did say I didn't mind discussing sexual stuff with her, like as girl friends, but it was clear in hindsight that she was using i to fish for sexual info about Jake.
I didn’t think that things between her and her wife were abusive. They seemed super cute together at least what they presented publicly. But that’s so fucked
Oh that sucks and is really sad.
I wanna jump to the timeline where in 2024, they finished the Bible and amicably started doing their own channels.
And one where Hannah isn't a POS
@@DaneelGiskard-f8d *Hugo
Like 5 years ago, I mailed you guys my old home school science book after you guys had asked for one and a heartfelt, hand-written note. Hannah made fun of my handwriting, didn't read the message, and the books were never used in any content. Knew something was wrong then.
I think the through-line is that your friends are not your therapists. Also under no circumstances should you make the "I have loved you for years" speech, no matter how genuine it is. These are both excellent ways to lose a friend...
0:00: 💔 Relationship breakdown due to repeated bad behaviors and mistreatment.
15:41: 💔 Strained relationship due to lack of effort and emotional frustration.
30:19: 💔 A person expresses regret over past interactions with a friend, feeling sexually harassed and distant.
44:11: ⚠ Conflict arises due to discomfort with sexual advances, leading to honesty and self-improvement.
57:05: 💔 Relationship issues and miscommunication leading to frustration and blame.
1:11:48: 💔 Friendship deteriorates due to unexpected hormone-related oversharing and misunderstanding.
1:26:53: ⚠ Concerns about lack of personal time and social isolation in a friendship.
1:41:31: 😔 Struggling with feelings of rejection, loneliness, and depression after a conversation with a friend.
1:56:04: ⚠ Concerns about a friend's mental health and past friendship issues.
2:09:47: 💔 Betrayal and abuse allegations lead to the end of a friendship and support network.
2:23:42: 🤔 Communication issues and resentment arise in a friendship due to perceived unequal effort.
2:38:13: 🎲 Conflict arises over playing style in a DandD game, leading to a fallout between friends.
2:53:40: 💬 Discussion on ending association with Hannah, addressing assumptions and reactions to personal identity.
3:08:43: 🎲 Discussion about past conflicts, desire to move on, and plans to continue playing D&D with new members.
3:24:13: 💔 Betrayal and communication issues lead to the end of a friendship.
I wish people would stop validating "cis gendered"...🙄 Looked up the word; has absolutely nothing to do with their context. 🤦🏿♂️
@artyswell7913
cisgender
adjective
cis·gen·der (ˌ)sis-ˈjen-dər
variants or less commonly cisgendered
(ˌ)sis-ˈjen-dərd
: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex the person was identified as having at birth
Merriam Webster thinks you're just mad 🤷♀️ you'll live
@@artyswell7913 What?
This is ....
I dont know what to say. I had a similar experiance of being propositioned by a trans friend I supported that i did not feel the same towards.
Like Jake, i am fairly open with an open marriage.
I even saw myself as jake when he described telling Hannah that he was not intrested.
When I told my trans friend that i was not intrested in her, and likely never would be, she said okay.
She never asked again, or touched me inappropriatly, or asked my wife details about me. She did say to tell her if I ever changed my mind, but never said a thing about being into me ever again.
She remains a good friend. We go out on vacation. She is my kids emergancy contact if the schools cant get my wife or I. We do RP together.
After seeing this (Jake comming out) i had a flashback to my friend coming out with her feelings. It was uncomftrable, and it took some time to move on. But we moved on. Both of us. As friends.
I just had to go and tell her how much i apprciate her being respectful to me and my boundries.
I wish Hannha was the same towards Jake.
Seeing Hannah like this really hurt because I used to be a lot like Hannah. I'd use my friends to hold myself up and constantly seek validation from them, all while constantly being the one causing most of my own problems, being too scared to fix them, and not being there when my "Friends" needed me. It took a lot of work and internal reflection to realize what a burden I was being, I lost a lot of people who could have been great friends because i drove them away and it hurt a lot, but I finally realized that I was in fact the problem and worked to fix it. It doesn't happen overnight and i truly hope she's able to get the help she needs to become someone who can stand on her own.
It sucks that Hannah is struggling, I feel like her viewers have been letting her know she's really blossomed into herself. I'm sure there's still things to deal with, I hope she can come to more healthy ways of doing that with somebody who's healthy to be with. I'm sorry her behavior has killed your friendships with her. Seems like you did your best to keep being supportive and good friends.
Unfortunately you can’t save everyone. I hope Hannah gets the help she needs to be happy and value herself, but until that day no reason to subject yourself to this crap. Sorry you lost a friend Jake.
Hoo boy this was a lot. 1 hour in I still thought I could stay subscribed to both. 2 hours in I changed my mind. Not saying Hannah should be cancelled but for my own mental health. For personal reasons I'm not comfortable watching someone with a relationship dynamic like Hannah and Baja, and bringing Jake's father into it was positively mortifying.
after watching the Twitch VOD where Jake reacts to the video Hannah deleted, maybe she should be cancelled jfc. I dont want to underplay all the bad stuff that went on. Imo people should support Jake, and if that is what being cancelled looks like, tough.
I dont think her community in general is safe now. Ppl should be warned about the environment on her platform
@qtc9301 honestly, I have followed Hannah for years at this point and have heard zip zilch nada about this. Anyone who doesn't follow Jake like me is probably clueless.
End of a era
Coming to say that as a former fan of hers, her complaining constantly in private about her sex life was weird because she CONSTANTLY brought up sex, and flirted with baja on stream. Like just wild. Which is it??
Gonna miss those Chick Tracts. Please don’t ever delete these Jake because they mean a lot to my mom and I. You guys have done a lot for us over the past decade. Thank you for everything, and I hope for the best for both of you.
The guest appearance by Creationist Cat was peak.
Really hate "fans" pretending like sexual abuse didn't happen unless you follow their specific demands on how to react like a fucking robot. Don't react too soon, don't take too long to react, take legal action, don't drag it out in court and demand money. Etc
Sorry Jake
'Where's the proof?'
(Shows proof)
'you're kind of a di*k to be showing those messages'
'Why don't you talk about it?'
(talks about it)
'This should've really been dealt with privately, not in front of fans'
I had no idea that this was the dynamic existed this way. I thought you two just had reached a point where you just went your own way. I'm sorry Hannah had disregarded your boundaries this way. It is heartbreaking and sad that you were the one that fought to keep the channel going.
You two were what got me out of my anti sjw phase when TBR was still alive. I remember the exact video I watched when I started to question my beliefs. I haven't been this hurt by a content creator...ever. The stream after this isn't helping with her and her chat downplaying the harassment. I'm so fucking disappointed.
TBR?
@@AGoatDemon98 The Bible Reloaded
I'm sorry it happened too. I'm happy to have been a small part of your journey
@@heavymetalpirate2463I should've figured lol. I used to watch The Bible Reloaded when I was a teenager in middle/high school.
@@ActualJake hope you and Sarah feel better soon
For the first 30 mins or so, I was like, this seems a bit petty. Then it got very real and very hard to watch a friendship deteriorate like this over text.
Sounds like Hannah has idealised Jake for a very long time, and that’s the Jake she loved. Not the real world Jake. However, once she came clean about those feelings, the illusion broke, and Jake is now devalued and seen as the “bad” figure.
I think it is important for people to keep in mind that Hannah isn’t bad or evil, but damaged. It doesn’t excuse what she put them through but don’t brigade or harass her, it doesn’t achieve anything. What she needs is time, space, and most of all, therapy. Specifically Dialectical Behavioural Therapy.
Perhaps it is easy for an outsider to say in hindsight that perhaps much firmer boundaries should have been set from the beginning, but it seems like Jake and Sarah have tried their best to support Hannah.
tbh I used to really like hannah, but after all this and seeing what kind of person she REALLY IS, legit is upsetting.
I am so heartbroken because The Bible Reloaded was life changing for me. I am heartbroken that such a manipulative, unhealthy situation was happening in the background. I'm glad you cut ties. It's not your responsibility to take care of her. She has to deal with these issues on her own and her cycle of harassing you then apologizing for it is a real cycle of abuse. I know how horrific being caught in this cycle feels. I hope she gets help and I'm proud of you for breaking it off.
I think anyone who's been in That Relationship can relate to the feeling of having successfully gaslit yourself into thinking you're happy.
I'm so sorry that happened. Hannah is clearly going through some terrible things as well. That doesn't justify or excuse what she did though, repeatedly. I loved TBR but you and your partner don't deserve to be treated like that. I'm glad you two cut her off. Hopefully she will get help.
This hurts my heart so much.
Friendship is *exactly* a project that you put effort into and get rewarded for. Pretty upsetting that she completely dismisses how important and exhausting emotional labour is and can be.
Y'all two are superhuman friends.
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's clear that Hannah needs help and I hope she gets it. I was a huge fan of TBR and was subscribed to both your Twich channels. It's devastating to hear this. I hope Jake and Sarah are okay from the emotional manipulation and harassment they endured through this time as well.
I had a period in time where I was behaving similarly to Hannah so I understand a bit of what they are going through. I had a lot of insecurities and really needed validation from my friends but it became clear that I was abusing my friendships and I learned to start trusting myself and respecting my friends. I'm happy to report that I'm thriving in life now, and I hope Hannah can get there too.
I'll be honest, when I drank a lot to cope with untreated manic bipolar disorder, I exhibited quite a few of the same behaviors as Hannah. I even hit on a friend of 7 years once (though nowhere close to this degree, and when I was sober I never had similar feelings). I was constantly acting rude and inconsiderate, throwing pity parties, making problems out of nothing just to complain about them, formed a victim complex, never did anything to improve myself, then I would apologize a million times and do it all over again.
It was one of the darkest times in my life and every day I still feel ashamed I was like that for so long. I did and said so many things I regret. If Hannah is like I was, binge drinking and not taking proper medications, I hope she gets the help she needs. It's a dark, dark road that can destroy every good thing you have very quickly. She was very lucky to have you two as friends. Shame she threw it away.
Edit: Just want to clarify that I never assaulted or harassed anyone. I was just mostly self-destructive, inconsiderate and generally kind of a nuisance to be around.
This is shocking and hurtful, as someone who learned a lot from Hannah about trans issues, probably more than from the popular trans influencers. I'm genderfluid and I know it's very unlikely I'll ever pass as femme. I know how it feels to be self-conscious over the way I'm perceived, to be desperate for validation, and to feel isolated like nobody understands me. I too have a history of depression and disordered eating, spurred on by gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. I've said my share of inappropriate things to the people closest to me, and used my friends to trauma dump, my words not theirs. Yet I don't wish I'd been born cisgender, nor act like my interpersonal relationships would've worked out better if that were the case. I can't wish for that, because I literally don't know what that would be like. Trans is who I am. It has shaped my entire life, and I'm not ashamed of that fact.
I have lost friends I've known for a long time because they would not accept me. That's on them. I don't need or want people like that in my life, and neither should anyone else. If anyone is going through a difficult time due to social transition, you're not alone. There are people who will love and accept you for who you are. There are LGBTQ+ support groups, like the one I've joined. There are counselors and therapists you can talk to. It sounds like this is something she ought to do, and I hope she can find the help she needs.
I watched this video yesterday, and now I’m watching the Twitch VOD where you reviewed Hannah’s response. She’s being so slimy right now, it’s sickening. The way she’s trying to kill your reputation to downplay her sexual harassment of you is just disgusting. I’m so sorry that you’re going through this nightmare.
I feel bad for everyone. I hope everyone finds peace.
Heartbreaking. Have been a fan since TBR days. I have nothing but love and hope for Hannah and hope she can get the help she needs and recover from her cycle of abuse. It honestly sounds like you were better friends than her behaviour deserves.
She was the person who taught me that being trans was possible and life gets better. 💜
I came into this a Stannah. But jesus.
I'm so sorry ya'll dealt with this. You two are incredible friends. Hopefully everyone can heal from all this.
I watched this video first, and I went to watch her video. It looks like it's been deleted as of 10ish minutes ago. I'm very sorry you guys have had to go through this.
She did? Wow
I think it’s been delisted. I have it in my history.
@johnnyfunkenstein Hannah posted a vicious and cruel video where she and her wife downplayed her s****l harassment of Jake, body shamed him, and made it seem like he was in the wrong. She delisted the video, but you can still go to it if you have the link. Any comment that is even remotely critical of her is deleted.
i saw both streams, very hard to watch and so disappointing that Hannah has put you guys through all this for so long. i’ve been watching TBR for a really long time and you two helped me through my deconstruction and gave me a lot of laughs during a really vulnerable time in my life. i’m so disappointed and angered by Hannah and that she put you in a position to have to make all this public, but i’m so glad you got to let all of it out and don’t have to hide what you’ve been through with her anymore. i’m so, so sorry that you both have been so deeply betrayed by someone you guys were such great friends to. sending you and Sarah love and hugs, i hope you both can move past this and heal sooner rather than later
This situation is incredibly similar to one I went through at the end of 2022 as well. Became polyamorous and my best male friend sexually harassed me for months before I finally cut him off. He used to ask me whether I thought he was attractive, very explicitly asking about the terms of my relationship, and even going so far as to ask WHY I wouldn't f*** him. It was a huge betrayal, and I don't think Jake did anything wrong with how he interacted with Hannah, as it is an incredibly uncomfortable.
Hannah clearly had a toxic pattern of behavior that didn't get any better, and I'm proud of Jake and Sarah for putting their feet down and putting distance between them and Hannah.
About the million 'sorry's, I recall hearing someone say it's much better to say 'thanks' than 'sorry', because it centers your gratitude toward the people who help you, rather than miring you in self pity. That endless string of 'sorry' is just someone sinking into a swamp of deeply self involved misery.
Thats really good advice
That's great advice, I'll keep it in mind next time I'm tempted to say sorry a million times 👍
*Accidentally touches person's butt in public*
"Thanks!"
Welp, there goes another channel. I really liked Hannah and had actually recently recommended her to some friends. Hope everyone involves finds help and healing from all of this.
Theres a friend in my life who I really want (and need) to give similar advice, but Im not sure how to because theyre very bad at hearing criticism without clamming up and mentally spiraling. Listening to how you explain it really helps me to put into words the things Ive been feeling. So if nothing else, putting this info out there tangibly has helped me in my life. Thanks Jake.
Such an important thing that Sarah brings up at some point that I hate needed to be reiterated for some people but you CAN in fact sexually harass sex workers. Heck I do my adult posting stuff just on twitter and Bluesky and it is still a form of harassment to send unsolicited nudes to or requests for nudes from sex workers or kinky people or their partners. History doesnt always repeat cuz it sometimes rhymes instead. The horrors of disregarding someone's consent cuz of "How they dress" is still alive in the year 2024 but nowadays it can also be said "Well you have an onlyfans so you must always be in the mood" or "You post adult content its fine for me to sexually assault you with my own content" Trust was tested, violated and shattered and I hate so much you guys had to go through this and recount this all as well. Sending my positive vibes your way and hope you can put this behind ya now!
If your consent is for purchase, bad people will exploit that. It’s inevitable. Even offering your consent for money puts you in a subhuman category in a lot of men’s eyes
For the past couple of years I've always had Hannah's stream on in the background because I found it chill to listen to while I've painted. But her stream on Saturday was a side of her I hadnt seen before. It was pretty upsetting to witness. But after hearing your side, it's obvious that you airing this didn't come from a place of hatred. Which is the impression you'd have gotten if you just watched her stream.
This is really heartbreaking. I feel so bad for all of you. It reminds me of my sister in a way. She has mental health issues and is trapped in her own mind in a way, and needs constant ego stroking just to feel kind of okay. I feel really bad for her but I can't sacrifice my own mental health to be that person.
From a distance though it kind of makes me want to give Hannah a hug. Because I can feel her hurt through the text and problematic behavior.
You'd be hugging a narcissistic abuser
my blood is literally boiling ...
you absolutely can be the abuse victim and the abuser at the same time and being the victim while also spewing toxicity and behaving in abusive ways doesn't excuse the latter. it may explains why it happened, but no matter how deep the manipulation runs it never is an excuse for one's own behavior.
speaking from the perspective of a mainly emotional abuse survivor who also ended up being an unintentional toxic and emotional abusive nightmare.
I don't shove all the blame on those who influenced me, because those were my actions and tho realizing and getting away from this behavior is hard, it's not impossible. it just depends on actually becoming a better person and taking accountability with your actions, instead of empty words.
seriously ... wtf?
I watched this, Hannah’s now deleted response, and Jakes response to that. I’m worried something is gonna happen in her community now. Her video had so much victim blaming, gaslighting, and fans affirming that victim blaming and gaslighting. Dissenting messages or messages that were just asking questions were yeeted. In the first few minutes she basically DARVO’d her own audience by insinuating they were in the wrong for “expecting entertainment” from her issues, and no one had a problem with that apparently. It ain’t safe there.
Even if people didn’t believe Jake for some reason, Hannah’s response was fucking repulsive. Idk how anyone could even just watch her Clickbait Title stream and not feel disgusted with her.
@MaddieGirl.23 she pretty much flat out said that talking about sex on Twitter is consent. That alone is screwed up
I hope you and Hannah both get the internal healing you need (not saying ya'll have to come back together as friends, just that you both find the healing needed because this was rough)
Recently rediscovered you after a while away from political/atheist youtube. I did wonder vaguely about Hannah, but I had no idea. I'm so sorry, man. This kind of thing is awful enough, but especially painful and shitty to deal with when it comes from someone you considered a friend for a really long time.
Much love & I'm so sorry you went through this.
A long time ago on Hannah's stream, I got uncomfortable when Baja (Tayler?) brought up details about her and Hannah's sex life. Hannah was visibly uncomfortable and tried to change the subject, and Baja kept going in on it multiple times. Not okay no matter what, but it was weird to hear that Hannah did the same to you :/ (ETA: I mean a similar thing, I guess. Not the same, but generally along the lines of disregarding the other person's boundaries.)
I was a big fan of TBR and haven't really kept up with either of your streams because they are so much longer, comparatively, and I'm more into religion than politics. But I have been there for some (both yours and Hannah's). I'm sad that your relationship has soured, especially with harassment and shitty dynamics from her side. Take care, Jake and Sarah.
I am honestly stunned at how supportive and nice you kept on being even after her repeated abuse, time and time again. Regardless of the outcome, you should be proud of yourselves.
I’d been a subscriber of the Reloaded channel since 2011 or 2012, and it got me through a really rough few years following traumatic religious upbringing. I’m so sorry to hear the shit you went through, Jake. That’s not fair. It pains me to hear how far back this goes, and that so much fell on you to keep the channel alive even then.
I've unsubscribed from Hannah. Saw her stream today and it absolutely disgusted me. You don't deserve the sexual harassment you faced, hoping you and Sarah happiness, and I sincerely hope Hannah gets help.
After watching Hannah’s now private response stream it’s weird the only points she didn’t address was propositioning while in a relationship and not being into her now wife it’s just weird she ignored that
Ya, she blew her sexual harassment off as "i thought i was my DnD character" and left it at that. Its really messed up that she is trying to use that as an excuse, but im sure she feels if she swings it into a "i was just mentally unwell so its not my fault" her audience (who is also a lot of tenderqueers) will give her a pass without digging too deep into it.
Is The response anywhere in public?
@@dannil9878 Jake still has a VOD on his twitch from about 2 weeks ago when this happened, he watched and responded. It's called something like "Hannah is streaming now"
@@dannil9878 She streamed the day after Jake made this but privated it a day or two later
Man, listening to this was like watching in horror as someone recounts their experience of a train wreck, but it lasts months. I feel bad for Hannah because I know what it's like to feel stuck in a bad situation, but that doesn't mean I don't support you guys in removing yourself from her. It really does seem like you exhausted so much emotional energy trying to help her out of her situation only for her to keep falling back into it. Of course the sexual harassment stuff is also a huge red flag and I hope that once she gets out of her situation she can find a good relationship and hopefully reach a point where she can apologize from a place of sincerity and not simply so she can keep using you for sexual and emotional attention. I don't expect you two to ever get back together as friends or even just for content after this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. Even watching you two talk about how frustrated and angry you have been with how she has treated you, it's clear how much it hurts you to leave her in her relationship with Baja and have to make this video. I know I'm just some guy in the comments, but I really do hope you can find peace now that this is out in the open.
Really upsetting, being a fan of you guys both. I started to realize i was trans-fem around the same time as her and it was inspiring to see her have a friend group and a loving community. Hoping Hannah gets help and the whole situation is worked through. Because you all deserve be happy and its shitty that it's become like this.
Same. Hannah partially inspired me to come out
Hannah was the first creator I was following who came out and taught me that this was an option. Her saying "I didnt want to be trans" was the main crack in my egg
Hanna seems very much like a "crisis friend"
Also there are so many parallels between how she's acting and my ex. Hearing someone else sharing and saying "This is not okay" really helps me accept that I was abused.
Thank you!
Im so sorry you guys had to go through this. I remember several times on camera when Hannah would put Jake down, but never the other way around. Its a dynamic I can only fully recognize in hindsight, but I do remember that happening and being mildly uncomfortable about it when it did. At the time I just assumed I was misreading things. I just wanted to say that to further confirm whats being said here about the pattern of behavior. It seems like hannah, knowingly or unknowingly, used jake as crutch for her own selfworth because of the issues she hadnt recognized or dealt with. He was the punching bag, saviour, or blank canvas of projection depending on what she needed. I feel for the emotional pain that kind of behaviour must come from but thats not an excuse. As a long time fan I could've never imagined the level of harm things got to. You guys are a big reason I'm an atheist (and an antithiest thank you Jake) so Ive watched alot of content from both of you through the years, and while after the split I really only enjoyed Jakes content, I was always happy to check in on Hannah and see her coming into herself as a person more. I hope she gets to a better place and puts in the work to be a better person for both her sake and anyone else's in her life. I wish Jake and Sarah all the best, and have so much respect for how you guys handled this. This sucks and you guys were saints.
This whole stream really hit me hard. I know the feeling when you do your best to pour time and effort into a friendship only for that person to go from "you're literally my only friend" to "actually fuck everything you ever did for me". Add on top of that how many people doubt you and victim blame you when you KNOW they'd be reacting differently if you weren't a man... Dude, my blood is boiling and it didn't even happen to me. I can't imagine how you felt dealing with all this for so long.
I've been a long time fan of TBR. Got in because of their early Drunken Peasants appearance. And I've since been a big fan of Jake's content - Twitch streams, the D&D content, etc. Hannah's solo stuff never really grabbed me much, but I did watch them on occasion. Like many others, TBR was extremely helpful for me having been raised Christian, and Hannah's coming out was also very helpful, because I'm trans as well. With all of that said, this entire thing is just terrible, and I can't possibly understand why anyone could side with Hannah and her wife after all of this has come to light. Jake had receipts, he had proof of all of his claims. Hannah's "response" stream was full of disgusting, petty garbage, especially from her wife, and it was extremely clear that they hadn't seen the vod of Jake's stream and were actively framing Jake, and influencing their circle of followers away from watching it.
I've unsubbed from Hannah on every platform I followed her on, and won't ever watch her again.
For what it's worth, I'm a long time fan who appreciates the community that Jake's cultivated - I don't catch them live, or chat much, but I watch almost all of the stream vods.
I know Jake and Sarah are probably reading the comments to filter the chuds. So, I'm sorry you guys had to go through all of this. Seeing the two of you so upset and emotional in the vod of the second stream was genuinely upsetting, and I really feel for you guys. In a parasocial sense, I suppose. It's awful that you had to go through harassment, defamation, all of this manipulation and emotional labour.
Her being queer doesn't excuse her bs. Sorry you went through this, Jake.
Jake, I applaud you for your patience, upstanding nature, and, as a trans man in the trans punk community of Portland, I find you to be an incredible ally to our community. In no way has your response rightfully speaking up about the abuse you experienced done any harm to the queer community and anyone suggesting such has lost the plot. Queer folk are equally as capable of inappropriate behavior and abuse. I find Hannah's behavior detestable and wish you and Sarah the best moving forward, hopefully in the absence of this toxic figure. That said, I too hope Hannah leaves her abusive marriage and takes the steps necessary to improve as a person and recover.
It is such a shame to see someone so vital to the trans and athiest journeys of oppressed, conservative raised folks such as myself turn out to be so abusive and dishonest in her daily life. I personally have taken so much of Jake's positive advice (in response to destructive individuals like Hannah and Dave) truly to heart and I wish Hannah would do the same. I'm an autistic trans person with mental illnesses who has suffered abuse; I know it is completely possible for someone of this demographic to be a relatively healthy, growing individual who uplifts their loved ones. Thank you for sharing your experiences, Jake and Sarah. Best of luck.
XOXO from Eugene
I'm not a doctor but I think I can say this: Hannah's behaviour is VERY similar to mine as a teenager before I received a diagnosis for Borderline personality disorder and was put on meds for it. Hannah's behaviour seems pretty textbook BPD.
She needs meds, as The Last Podcast on the Left repeatedly has said "mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility"
Marcus "Dogmeat" Parks
@@smithblack5945 they're also a good channel that has gone through a shakeup recently. Seems to be going around unfortunately.
I thought the same thing about BPD! I also did similar shit when I was younger
I was only diagnosed a year ago, but already through therapy, and just knowing that theres a actually a reason I do and did stupid shit was a life saver
@@darthmoonbear4835 I'm glad you found that assistance. Obviously I'm not a doctor and I can't say which medication Hannah should be on, but based on her behaviour's similarities to mine in a similar situation I think she would be best suited by some combination of medication and therapy
@@nickl1483 agreed. Adhd and bpd is a hellish combo, but thankfully, with treatment, bpd has a (I think, but it may be higher) 93% full remission rate! Its actually the most successfully treatable personality disorder!
I just really hope Hannah gets the help she needs, and Jake and Sarah get to move on and recover
AND IT ALSO SUCKS FOR SARAH. Like Hannah was a friend! Your way better then me because how Hannah was talking about Jake makes ME UNCOMFORTABLE! I can’t imagine how insanely awkward and just disappointing seeing this in real time was. Sending love to you and sarah ❤
Holy shit, as a fan of TBR for over a decade this was hard to watch. I just assumed you and Hannah became busy in your own personal lives and naturally grew apart, but I never would have expected this. I hope you and Sarah are doing okay. Neither of you deserve any of this pain.
Sucks cuz hannahs content was always up my alley. Hoping she gets the help she needs to be well.
Exposing harassment and abuse is never drama. As SWOOP would say "its not drama, its dangerous"
SWoop is a great content creator 😊
I said this in the livestream but I will repeat; I 100% saw this behavior from Hannah beginning to brew in the later TBR videos. To me, Jake was clearly uncomfortable but trying to roll with it.
Can you remember an example? I'm curious because I as a TBR viewer never saw this coming.
Looking for an example, too. The Bible Reloaded was my JAM.
Being a queer woman does not absolve someone of responsibility, I'm so sad that this happened to you, and I hope you are able to heal from it - it sounds like you have a decent support network, and I'm glad for that.
Having dealt with some of the things Hannah has - transitioning late in life, but moreso the alcoholism, and how they can intermingle - I feel like you could be slightly off on some of your interpretations of her motivations, but I recognize the patterns in what she has said from my "past life", so to speak... I repeatedly found myself saying "oh no... not that..." through so many of her messages. She *is* being dishonest somewhere, and likely being dishonest with herself. I certainly was at the worst of my experiences. If she's dishonest enough with herself, especially compounded by memory issues caused by alcoholism even years after quitting, she might believe she's not being dishonest with others... But none of that changes the underlying dishonesty.
I hope she finds a way to see it, figures it out, and finds her path to healing, and I hope she is going to therapy because it's probably necessary. There will be no easy path for her at this point.
I'm sad for all of you.
This. All of this. Many people can be trans and queer and neuro-divergent and whatever else they’re gonna be…without being like that. It’s ok to not be perfect and to have room to grow. But going by the texts…it seems Hannah has maybe put some of that off and needs to play catch-up.
Hannah’s stream just confirms to me that you two are absolutely correct. This hurts as I’m someone who has been a fan since TBR yeeeeeears ago.
Lampshading: when you attempt to get ahead of your bad behavior by admitting to it in a shallow yet performative manner.
This is a world record for lampshading. I'm only halfway through, but the both of you are heroes for wading through the obvious sludge to salvage your friendship. Sorry guys, this kinda thing is brutal.
This woman needs serious therapy, she needs to not be in the relationship she's in with Tayler, and she needs to maybe even step off the internet for a bit. She needs and deserves to get better.
Im by no means diagnosing her, but as someone with BPD, I can see behaviors I am guilty of in her words. She just needs to speak with a therapist and establish a therapist-client relationship with one so she can let go of the FP version of Jake in her head, and move on. She is abusive, and she probably doesn’t even realize it. Thats not her fault, but her actions are.
Hannah deserves the world, but she has to reach for it by herself.
Edited to add: Hannah very clearly doesn't even like Jake. She talks poorly about the parts of him she thinks are a front and hopes theres something underneath that matches what she wants. It is crazy cognitive dissonance and I am willing to bet that's how she stays with Tayler.
well said
Thank you for this steam. It is weird and difficult, but I do think stuff like this is important;
Jake should not have to carry stuff like this as a public figure dealing with the public repercussions of the toxic relationship. Victims should be able to share their stories.
Also it models good human interaction when faced with abusive people like this, as well as highlights cycles of abuse that can be extremely difficult to identify while it is happening to you.
And I appreciate having a little more insight into the relationship between public figures. I was super excited to see Hannah making an appearance on a channel just from the reputation of TBR. Now that I am aware of the abuse I can make an informed decision on my consumption, as well as not bring up past trama to a victim.
Thank you again.
I was a fan of you both back during the Bible Reloaded days. I am so, so sorry this happened to you.
Longtime fan, all the way back to TBR days. So sorry to see and hear all of this. You did your best, man, and Hannah's got a lot to work through. All the support in the world can't make up for someone who won't do the work for themselves. Hope it gets better for everyone involved, even if that doesn't include reconciliation. Wish you all the best, man.
*edit Taylor = Baja. Yeah, have not been a fan. I actually called Baja on claiming to have a migraine while sitting in a brightly lit room and loudly streaming with Hannah. I explained how it hurts people who have debilitating migraines to claim every headache as one. She immediately jumped on me.
I don't like when she interjects herself into the streams either. She seems extremely self centered and controlling.
I stopped watching Hannah largely because of how Baja would just leer and hover over Hannah on the streams. I never saw how bad it got I guess, because it made me uncomfortable from the beginning. You're right, its like Baja just can't let Hannah have her own thing without interjecting into it.
This is more or less what caused me to leave Hannah's community too. Over time Tayler crowbarred her way into not only controlling chat and the TH-cam channel, she made herself the co-streamer too.
There was a stream where she she went absolutely insane and demanded Hannah not watch a Quartering video about Chris Chan that got so out of hand Hannah cut the stream, then when she started it back up 15 or so minutes later SHE apologized for HER behavior instead of Tayler apologizing and chat absolutely babied them about it. It was a bizarre validation circle and chat attacked anyone who called out what had just happened. It was disgusting.
I mean, you can absolutely have a migraine and not have photosensitivity or loud noises be a bother. Migraines suck and I have chronic migraines, but migraines vary in severity and can be mild or severe and migraines can occur without head pain.
I checked in on her response, and the comments on her video are something else. Seriously, the amount of grace people show their faves is wild...
I doubt most of them watched the vod
Hannah made a lot of gross, body shaming comments and petty remarks and allowed her audience to do the same. We took that as a sign she isn't willing to own up to her behavior and so a clean cut is really needed.
I've loved watching her streams for almost a year but I personally don't want to watch her content now. I hope she gets help and gets out of that toxic relationship but I don't feel like watching her content anymore.
That seemed she was on some kind of warpath when she showed up on stream all snarky wearing old TBR merch. Its sad. @@ActualJake
Wow... I'm so sorry Jake. This hurts ( in a para-social way) because of how you treated hannah during her transition I was able to acknowledge I am queer, so you have always helped me so much.
The content the two of you put out under "The Bible Reloaded" was such a breath of fresh air to me all those years ago. I'm sorry this friendship broke down, but in the end, it also sounds like it was the best thing for you to do. I hope Hannah gets the help she needs, and is able to seek more fulfillment in the future.
Well that just sucks all the way around. I feel for y'all and I feel for Hannah as well. I hope she figures herself out with time. Wild to hear this behind the scenes stuff. I've been a fan since the beginning
Jake, I am so deeply sorry for the abuse and years of toxicity that you’ve had to endure from Hannah. I’ve been a long-time fan of TBR and I’m heartbroken to learn that you’ve been suffering in silence for so long. Your and Hannah’s covering of chick tracts helped me heal some of my religious trauma by empowering me to be able to laugh at the doctrine that once kept me in fear. I hope that you, Sarah, and all who’ve been affected by Hannah’s despicable behavior can find healing as well with time. All my love ❤
I did not know she still associated with Illuminaughti... that's a big yikes.
Whoa... I assumed that no one associated with Blaire anymore, at least no one with a public presence of their own.
She isn't and really never was. They raided each other sometimes on twitch and i think Hannah provided some information about a topic blair was going to cover before all that stuff came out. I dont think they talked outside of that afaik. Hannah didn't associate with her after that. People in chat just dog piled on what was essentially a baseless rumor.
I hope Hannah starts therapy and starts to make improvements in her life where they count. Watching this has made me start to realize some things in my life too.
Good vibes to you and Sarah. It’s so fucking hard to put on blast someone you’ve considered a friend for a long time.
Edit: I spoke too soon. I still wish her well but holy f*ck, the manipulation she pulled is really something.
It’a just that she kept saying sorry over and over and then would keep doing the same shit she was apologizing for. It’s dizzying. And
Man I haven't seen a Bible Reloaded video in a long time I wonder what they're up to... Ohhhhh noooooooooo
This is highly unfortunate.. I hope she gets better, these type of situations are so hard 😞
I remember finding you two somewhere in the middle of Genesis years ago and excitedly looking forward to every new episode. Best wishes and everything 😢
I'm an hour and a half into this and I'm having so many flashbacks of my previous abusive relationship.. in some ways I feel validated with the way that you both are calling out the abuse, having experienced similar.. at the same time it's just sad to hear.. I can't keep watching this. I'm sorry, I hope you are able to recover from the situation. 💜
I've been through similar and I'm seeing all kinds of red flags popping up throughout the video 🚩
@@NathanaelNewtonthis video is genuinely important because it shows so many different patterns and cycles of self sabotage and abuse. Even if you don't experience exactly that it's a good show case of how attitudes and environment can develop into severe mental issues
"not trying to be weird"
instant way to tell if someone is trying to be weird
Right up there with what had happened was... meaning you about to hear some b.s. that for sure did not happen 😅
Not always, as a lot of neurodivergent people worry that anything they do to show vulnerability is weird
But in this case, it was
You both were genuinely such great friends to her, with so much compassion and patience (which is kind of inspiring even).
Sarah, you were still so kind and caring to Hannah even after her confession to Jake. I can't imagine how anyone being friends with you could do something like this to you. You deserve so much better.
Props on being able to hold all of this in for this long, I wouldn't have been able to. People who say opening up about this is drama stirring are wrong and should put themselves in your shoes. It's very evident that you tried your best to handle the situation maturely and in private, even at your own cost.
I always figured a falling-out or similar was the reason behind TBR disappearing, but I never could have imagined just how bad the mistreatment and harassment were. It's awful that you were put and this position, and I hope now that it's out there you can finally move on and maybe find some closure
This reminds me of Rick’s “you act like prey but your a predator” speech in Rick and Morty.
man, I found this because I got nostalgic over some Bible Reloaded and found this.
I was very hesitant in clicking on this and was feeling like this was an attack on Hannah's Character just for the sake of it...but as I am now more than 20 minutes in and I am saddened to see what is going on behind the scenes. It sounds like there is alot of hurt, misdirection, abuse, and insecurities happening on all sides...I still love Hannah's content but I will now hope things change for the better in her and Jake's personal life. 😔
...annnnd an hour in and I am truly saddened and disturbed by Hannah. So sorry Jake, Sarah, and friends.
shit, as a long term viewer i hate that this is how it all turned out. I am Sorry this happened to you Jake its a shitty thing to happen to anyone.