Prof. Wang starts at 26:00. Everything before that is the national anthem, prayers, introduction, and a good deal of pure blither. The speech itself is a model of intelligence and good sense.
I loved his lecture, very knowledgeable and very articulate. I found it interesting especially the part on International Law. He also spoke on the importance of the South China Sea, which was largely overlooked by countries who have a stake, for most of the 20th Century
Lol they did the "they need no introduction thing" and gave an introduction. That's the classic academic culture thingo with every lecture that features a popular/renowned professor ever.
I wonder why professor didn't mention about Ming Dynasty's Admiral Cheng He or Mongolian Yuan dynasty under Kublai Khan which were great on the sea too.
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Zheng He was Muslim Hui and had illegimate children with a woman from Indian coastal state of Kerala ..h e also died of fever there ...I once visited his tomb...I am a Hindu from Kerala.🇮🇳
the Ming China era was not the time frame of historical events that the prof. was talking about on topic i.e. mid 19th century Qing China to present day, the fall and rise of China. on the side, i'm intrigued by what you said about Kublai Khan's maritime foray. He attacked Java with the aide of his in command Sung Dynasty era derived Chinese warships and mariners. He failed and i don't understand his mission purpose for Mongols were land-based cavalry men and Java was so far away across seas.
@@frankyong2607 You are right There are some battle warships in java sea and borneo sea after yuan ships try to escape from east java Yuan mongol is land empire so they fall Ming also land empire, cheng ho journey only 50 years and then stop because they doesn't have another ships so they fall also. Prof wang said, on 1945 after japan surrender, china ciang kai sek doesn't have warships and maritime power, then cina deng xiaoping era begin to raise maritime power
@@frankyong2607 in another of his lectures, prof wang explained that mongols are horsemen, but when they conquered china, china already had small navy (which had been used since the time of learning of buddhism from india through the maritime silk route) therefore the mongol utilized them as a mean of trade + tributary system. java refused to be a tributary state of china, so the mongols sent punishment troops to conquer java, but failed. after the mongol era, the tributary system was systemized during teh ming dynasty.
😊Ur half wright, but with SyariahLaw, if ur understand it, its a perfect law that GOD himself send to all of us for humanity and devinity, ,,if u have initiative to understand it😊
an excellent and outstanding lecture, I am very much impressed by Prof. Wang Gungwu. Indo-China States are also part of the Asian Nation-States, earlier Greek-Indo Tribes of Aryan and Semitic were existed most progressive and Rise and Fall of Indian and Chinese Civilizations and Dynasties with Western City-States and Roman Empire, a unique unity of conflicting interests of 5,000 years of humanity. Last 600 years of liberalism in Western Europe due to Renaissance and Reformation Movement of Roman Church gave birth of bourgeoisie and proletariat. Ultimately, realization of mankind what Gautam Buddha said Knowledge is the realization of humanity, it will be under the Proletarian State would be reality with cooperative social system according to Ability and Needs.
University Malaya,once a world renowned university has been transform into a 3rd world jaguh kampong university? Every year producing tons of professor "kang kong" for malaysia after 1969? What a pity n shame for malaysia!😔😪😴
it was incidental prof. wang was born in surabaya, java island, indonesia. in prof. wang's volume one autobiographical memoir of home is not here - is an interesting photo of him as a baby with his Indonesian young lady baby sitter. prof wang's life of now 90 years and counting with strength is a tremendous (epic) journey and residency through china, indonesia, malaya, england, singapore, malaysia, australia, hong kong, and singapore again. his volume two memoir - home is where we are - is out late 2020 and on you tube as you may know.
😮 UM, please release always the translation to bahasa version in any videos yall produce, please,,,kitaorang kampong dok pahamg, kami tak budoh tapi kurang pandei,,kata Ahpek😅😅 This english presentation not helping PR for locals,,ha ha,,,whatta heck
Even sadder is that many of the young may actually be getting their first exposure to Chinese history through the caricatured or re-imagined historical characters on gaming apps.
South east asia and qing cina on 17th - 20 th century doesn't have great maritime power. Prof wang said : Because SEA and qing china are feodal empire / land empire so they fall. Japan start quickly to change from land/feodal empire to maritime empire in middle 19th century, so japan success to hold commercial empire from europe and then japan become to nation state empire. Conclusion : Feodal / land empire raise then fall : Mongol, utsmaniah, hungary, qing manchu Commercial empire raise then fall : British EIC, dutch voc, spain, portugis Nation state empire + maritime power raise : British dutch germany japan italy Prof wang have 2 question : 1. How long nation state in china survive and not fall? Prof wang do not know because he is always optimistic 2. How you said SEA not asean and how asean future? Asean would be raise as long as Atlantic region raise also. But prof wang also said SEA have 2 region, mainland and maritime with their self problems. I assumed SEA maritime more advantage to be raise than SEA mainland, according conclusion from prof wang.
The Manchus did not understand Maritime power. I think largely because they were land-based nomads race, they roamed the plains of N. China.Many of the ruling elites may not even have seen the sea.
well most of asian mornach dont understand maritime power , japan only knew it after japan seen the american gun boat and the threat of the white evil . other asian fail to seen it , vietnam in somepoint did understand dual to civil war , both side built western style war ship and old style chinese but after the civil war end , the emperor stop all the funding for new war ship or modernize of the country , he fear the western like other asian and close the trade like other asian ( during civil war both side love to trade with western and more than willing to trade with them and allied with the westerner cause they need the edge over they enemy ) wonder what happend if the quang trung emperor live longer and his dynasty are the ruler and not the nguyen dynasty ( the nguyen did few good thing but they do many huge major fault like closing the country , lack of funding the army/navy after the civil war cause they think they have the best at the time ( and it true for 1700s ) but after 1800 vietnam was far behind western country
I know what you mean good Sir. Even when I was a teenager I notice a distinctly anti western and pro Malay narrative in the text books. And I’m Malay, yet I still find this a bit disconcerting
@@aimanmarzuqi4804 It’s good that you are intellectually alert. Although no guarantees, diversifying your reading sources is one of the best ways to avoid the potential pitfalls of biased source materials.
😊Last at all, the Muhammadiah Empire absolutely will rise, but nobody talk about it. Look to the recent geopolitics scenarios, whatta heck happenin 😊 Prof said just half true, othmaniah empire is not for capitalism commercial 3Gs Empire,its all for humanity and devinity as GOD order for all of us people child of Adam Eve
Uncle WANG 1秒钟前 贵校是国际性大学，讲座中穿插主持人的马来语，甚至youtube的字幕都识别不出来，所以一定要在这种演讲场合讲当地语言吗？正如我在英文社区使用中文来做出这个评论一样，你说马来语的时候体会过听不懂这门语言的人的感受吗？我实在担心入学之后听不懂你们讲课的内容。 Your university is an international university. The lectures are interspersed with the host's Malay language, and even the subtitles of TH-cam can't be recognized, so do you have to speak the local language on this speech occasion? Just as I made this comment in Chinese in the English community, have you ever experienced the feelings of people who don't understand the language when you speak Malay? I'm really worried that I won't understand your lecture after I enter school.
Does anybody remember that the first ( late ) Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Juan Yew didn't have a good relationship with Prof Wang . Anyway, that's water under the Singapore Bridge. Oh yeah, since when is an intellectual lecture as what Prof Wang delivered is " not boring ". Unless, your attention level is very high. It was like he was reading his thesis paper to the audience. He can only be described as brilliant, an undeniable master of his craft.
So, Tibet wasn’t a part of China as there was never a direct rule of China over Tibet in the history of either China or Tibet. I think, it is also wrong for Prof. Wang to claim that British had interest to create an independent Tibet in post-Qing period. By then, British was already aware of her weakening regime/power in the asian belt. Truly speaking, their only interest was to gain trade/commercial hegemony in Tibet, even if it was temporary with least interference of both China and Russia. Hence, British shamelessly used their universal tactic of "divide and rule", policy and ultimately, sacrificed Tibet's sovereignty under their camouflaged declaration of Tibet being a "suzerainty" of China. This confused the world but appeased China in their favor. Consequently, China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet sustained to this day. Tibet is an occupied country. Experts keep changing narratives from time to time. However, Tibet will never die.
China’s ancient history goes beyond the era of British empire n the later International maritime laws... who can say Tibet was nvr ruled by China? N who cares... if u don’t like it, try to take Tibet or even taiwan from China now... just try
The western counties now do not mention Tibet like decades ago. The reason is that most Tibetan people are satisfied with Chinese government and their fast improving living standard. No problem in Tibet which can give excuses to blame China.
Most countries never recognized Tibet as a country even in the 1910s to 1950s. Britain invaded Tibet in 1900s but China sent troops to fight back. then the Qing dynasty got destroyed and Tibet like manchuria briefly claimed to be an independent country. Tibet was however never an independent country recognized by Russian, British, or American.
Only 2 superpowers in asia. vietnam defeated france in 1954, america in 1975, china in 1979. afghanistan defeated uk after 7 decades of fighting beginning 1839, defeated russia after 9 years of fighting in the 1980's, defeated america in 2021 after the latter spent $2 trillion and 20 years fighting an unwinnable war; their "withdrawal" in September 2021 is a fig leaf to cover an abject surrender.
The road from China to Gwadar port in Balochistan is going through occupied areas like Kashmir ( occupied by Pakistan in 1947), Kashmir (occupied by China in 1962), Balochistan ( occupied by Pakistan in 1948). If you support OBOR project, you support colonialism of China and Pakistan.
The so called Indian academics can learn from the highly covilized msnner in which the function is being conducted. One uncivilized historian even jimpled4anf pulled the mike from the chief guest. I applauf the Malaysians
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Even watching it today, the lecture is Insightful and relevant to understanding China today.
see how the professor respected the King.
Prof. Wang starts at 26:00. Everything before that is the national anthem, prayers, introduction, and a good deal of pure blither. The speech itself is a model of intelligence and good sense.
David Lloyd-Jones thank u so much brother for saving our time
Thank you
It was pretty amazing that Wang could stay lucid and nuanced at the ripe old age of 87 for 1.5 hours.
Thanks! This is so important!
I can't believe that religious prayer will appear in all the university lectures
Western perspective of Chinese history. He even used political term Indo-pacific, instead of more neutral Asia Pacific.
A very well respected man..
I loved his lecture, very knowledgeable and very articulate. I found it interesting especially the part on International Law. He also spoke on the importance of the South China Sea, which was largely overlooked by countries who have a stake, for most of the 20th Century
An excellent speaker with a very sharp mind. May God bless his family and give him good health
Lol they did the "they need no introduction thing" and gave an introduction. That's the classic academic culture thingo with every lecture that features a popular/renowned professor ever.
The SouthEast Asian Dawn! The Rise of the ASEAN brotherhood countries! Together we stand divided we fall! There’s strength in numbers k!
I wonder why professor didn't mention about Ming Dynasty's Admiral Cheng He or Mongolian Yuan dynasty under Kublai Khan which were great on the sea too.
Zheng He was Muslim Hui and had illegimate children with a woman from Indian coastal state of Kerala ..h e also died of fever there ...I once visited his tomb...I am a Hindu from Kerala.🇮🇳
the Ming China era was not the time frame of historical events that the prof. was talking about on topic i.e. mid 19th century Qing China to present day, the fall and rise of China. on the side, i'm intrigued by what you said about Kublai Khan's maritime foray. He attacked Java with the aide of his in command Sung Dynasty era derived Chinese warships and mariners. He failed and i don't understand his mission purpose for Mongols were land-based cavalry men and Java was so far away across seas.
@@frankyong2607
You are right
There are some battle warships in java sea and borneo sea after yuan ships try to escape from east java
Yuan mongol is land empire so they fall
Ming also land empire, cheng ho journey only 50 years and then stop because they doesn't have another ships so they fall also.
Prof wang said, on 1945 after japan surrender, china ciang kai sek doesn't have warships and maritime power, then cina deng xiaoping era begin to raise maritime power
@@frankyong2607 in another of his lectures, prof wang explained that mongols are horsemen, but when they conquered china, china already had small navy (which had been used since the time of learning of buddhism from india through the maritime silk route) therefore the mongol utilized them as a mean of trade + tributary system. java refused to be a tributary state of china, so the mongols sent punishment troops to conquer java, but failed. after the mongol era, the tributary system was systemized during teh ming dynasty.
The real lecture starts at 27:11
Before that, it's just some courtesy talks.
Very illuminating.
What an excellent lecture. So enlightening and thought provoking. Perfect.
主持人长得好漂亮
The camera crew did a poor job. Why zoom in to the sleepy audience? and the video editor is doing a lousy job to cut it in.
Not to mention the sound interference in the mics on the pedestal at the start. It’s symptomatic of the quality of MU.
Great, nuanced speech!
Crazy..
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for listening
Eventually , from history, law are all man made, for self advantages.
😊Ur half wright, but with SyariahLaw, if ur understand it, its a perfect law that GOD himself send to all of us for humanity and devinity, ,,if u have initiative to understand it😊
an excellent and outstanding lecture, I am very much impressed by Prof. Wang Gungwu. Indo-China States are also part of the Asian Nation-States, earlier Greek-Indo Tribes of Aryan and Semitic were existed most progressive and Rise and Fall of Indian and Chinese Civilizations and Dynasties with Western City-States and Roman Empire, a unique unity of conflicting interests of 5,000 years of humanity. Last 600 years of liberalism in Western Europe due to Renaissance and Reformation Movement of Roman Church gave birth of bourgeoisie and proletariat. Ultimately, realization of mankind what Gautam Buddha said Knowledge is the realization of humanity, it will be under the Proletarian State would be reality with cooperative social system according to Ability and Needs.
Thanks for watching!!
University Malaya,once a world renowned university has been transform into a 3rd world jaguh kampong university? Every year producing tons of professor "kang kong" for malaysia after 1969? What a pity n shame for malaysia!😔😪😴
Yes its a great shame.
Why? Just one word. Mahathir.
❤ I belive,ur also once do eat ur f**king nutritionous kangkong
Professor didn’t have to refer to anything. The speech is amazing.
@Iyas kelu
Boring Subject If You Are Not Into Politics.
Staying quite focus at his age.
make sense, stability, sustainability n unity are first basics for every nation, I think
Hey said hey good because we were talking about how much to make my friends family fun 🤩
The late Emeritus Prof. Tan Sri Dr. Khoo Kay Kim was in the audience. 2:02
He was dr wang's student.
31:00
Neelam shahzadi m imtiaz cast maher
May you live long Prof Wang !
wow indonesia red carpet for professor wow such a big reception as if is former president susilo bangbang yohdoyono
This was in Malaysia, not Indonesia.
He used to teach at the university.
it was incidental prof. wang was born in surabaya, java island, indonesia. in prof. wang's volume one autobiographical memoir of home is not here - is an interesting photo of him as a baby with his Indonesian young lady baby sitter. prof wang's life of now 90 years and counting with strength is a tremendous (epic) journey and residency through china, indonesia, malaya, england, singapore, malaysia, australia, hong kong, and singapore again. his volume two memoir - home is where we are - is out late 2020 and on you tube as you may know.
@@frankyong2607 He is indeed a walking encyclopaedia of the diaspora story and, yes, he was born in Surabaya.
@@frankyong2607
He studied in china, too, after Malaysia
😮 UM, please release always the translation to bahasa version in any videos yall produce, please,,,kitaorang kampong dok pahamg, kami tak budoh tapi kurang pandei,,kata Ahpek😅😅 This english presentation not helping PR for locals,,ha ha,,,whatta heck
Prof.pl.include Manipur/ kangleipak in early Chinese diaspora.
It is sad to see not many young people are keen on this subject.
Even sadder is that many of the young may actually be getting their first exposure to Chinese history through the caricatured or re-imagined historical characters on gaming apps.
@@kindface in my opinion, not really though, at least this is a starting point to learn something great.
Professor Wang is a walking encyclopedia.
Today malaysia watching with is all .hahahaha .
South east asia and qing cina on 17th - 20 th century doesn't have great maritime power.
Prof wang said :
Because SEA and qing china are feodal empire / land empire so they fall.
Japan start quickly to change from land/feodal empire to maritime empire in middle 19th century, so japan success to hold commercial empire from europe and then japan become to nation state empire.
Conclusion :
Feodal / land empire raise then fall :
Mongol, utsmaniah, hungary, qing manchu
Commercial empire raise then fall :
British EIC, dutch voc, spain, portugis
Nation state empire + maritime power raise :
British dutch germany japan italy
Prof wang have 2 question :
1. How long nation state in china survive and not fall?
Prof wang do not know because he is always optimistic
2. How you said SEA not asean and how asean future?
Asean would be raise as long as Atlantic region raise also.
But prof wang also said SEA have 2 region, mainland and maritime with their self problems.
I assumed SEA maritime more advantage to be raise than SEA mainland, according conclusion from prof wang.
Lastly, the Muhammadiah Empire wil rise
The Manchus did not understand Maritime power. I think largely because they were land-based nomads race, they roamed the plains of N. China.Many of the ruling elites may not even have seen the sea.
well most of asian mornach dont understand maritime power , japan only knew it after japan seen the american gun boat and the threat of the white evil . other asian fail to seen it , vietnam in somepoint did understand dual to civil war , both side built western style war ship and old style chinese but after the civil war end , the emperor stop all the funding for new war ship or modernize of the country , he fear the western like other asian and close the trade like other asian ( during civil war both side love to trade with western and more than willing to trade with them and allied with the westerner cause they need the edge over they enemy ) wonder what happend if the quang trung emperor live longer and his dynasty are the ruler and not the nguyen dynasty ( the nguyen did few good thing but they do many huge major fault like closing the country , lack of funding the army/navy after the civil war cause they think they have the best at the time ( and it true for 1700s ) but after 1800 vietnam was far behind western country
Great and the most objective and clear explanation about China, bravo!
Wow, learn so much of South East Asia history from Prof Wang in 2 hours, than reading the censored and limited text in Msia....
Devin Tey
Malaysia is infamous for distorting history. Their "historians" have mo sense of objectivity or stomach for truth.
I know what you mean good Sir. Even when I was a teenager I notice a distinctly anti western and pro Malay narrative in the text books. And I’m Malay, yet I still find this a bit disconcerting
Dexter Marzquis You read history about Malaysia, for sure you'll read pro Malay narrative, clever or stupid ah you?
@@aimanmarzuqi4804 It’s good that you are intellectually alert. Although no guarantees, diversifying your reading sources is one of the best ways to avoid the potential pitfalls of biased source materials.
@@hoekeatung1760 those "historians" are basically technocrats.
a malaysian chinese giving a lecture on rise of china...why malaya ignores him ???..cse he is chinese
You know and I know too
😊Last at all, the Muhammadiah Empire absolutely will rise, but nobody talk about it. Look to the recent geopolitics scenarios, whatta heck happenin 😊 Prof said just half true, othmaniah empire is not for capitalism commercial 3Gs Empire,its all for humanity and devinity as GOD order for all of us people child of Adam Eve
Uncle WANG
1秒钟前
贵校是国际性大学，讲座中穿插主持人的马来语，甚至youtube的字幕都识别不出来，所以一定要在这种演讲场合讲当地语言吗？正如我在英文社区使用中文来做出这个评论一样，你说马来语的时候体会过听不懂这门语言的人的感受吗？我实在担心入学之后听不懂你们讲课的内容。
Your university is an international university. The lectures are interspersed with the host's Malay language, and even the subtitles of TH-cam can't be recognized, so do you have to speak the local language on this speech occasion? Just as I made this comment in Chinese in the English community, have you ever experienced the feelings of people who don't understand the language when you speak Malay? I'm really worried that I won't understand your lecture after I enter school.
Western laws made by man who follows the bible. What if others don't have the same believe?
This old timer is pretty sharp. Glad to see china was able retain its boundaries.
Vladivostok is still under Russia .
Formerly a great university now has been tainted by religious body? Pity...pity...pity.....
butthurt tak habis2 lagi ke der??!
Does anybody remember that the first ( late ) Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Juan Yew didn't have a good relationship with Prof Wang .
Anyway, that's water under the Singapore Bridge.
Oh yeah, since when is an intellectual lecture as what Prof Wang delivered is " not boring ".
Unless, your attention level is very high.
It was like he was reading his thesis paper to the audience.
He can only be described as brilliant, an undeniable master of his craft.
So, Tibet wasn’t a part of China as there was never a direct rule of China over Tibet in the history of either China or Tibet. I think, it is also wrong for Prof. Wang to claim that British had interest to create an independent Tibet in post-Qing period. By then, British was already aware of her weakening regime/power in the asian belt. Truly speaking, their only interest was to gain trade/commercial hegemony in Tibet, even if it was temporary with least interference of both China and Russia. Hence, British shamelessly used their universal tactic of "divide and rule", policy and ultimately, sacrificed Tibet's sovereignty under their camouflaged declaration of Tibet being a "suzerainty" of China. This confused the world but appeased China in their favor. Consequently, China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet sustained to this day. Tibet is an occupied country. Experts keep changing narratives from time to time. However, Tibet will never die.
China’s ancient history goes beyond the era of British empire n the later International maritime laws... who can say Tibet was nvr ruled by China? N who cares... if u don’t like it, try to take Tibet or even taiwan from China now... just try
Tibet is part of China for hundreds of years. Your statement is fully wrong.
The western counties now do not mention Tibet like decades ago. The reason is that most Tibetan people are satisfied with Chinese government and their fast improving living standard. No problem in Tibet which can give excuses to blame China.
Most countries
never recognized Tibet as a country even in the 1910s to 1950s. Britain invaded Tibet in 1900s but China sent troops to fight back. then the Qing dynasty got destroyed and Tibet like manchuria briefly claimed to be an independent country. Tibet was however never an independent country recognized by Russian, British, or American.
@@user-hd3ho5hv1m then a referendum to legitimize CCP rule would provide a favorable narrative to CCP. They should have one.
Only 2 superpowers in asia. vietnam defeated france in 1954, america in 1975, china in 1979. afghanistan defeated uk after 7 decades of fighting beginning 1839, defeated russia after 9 years of fighting in the 1980's, defeated america in 2021 after the latter spent $2 trillion and 20 years fighting an unwinnable war; their "withdrawal" in September 2021 is a fig leaf to cover an abject surrender.
I totally agreed with your point of view ,but to my understand was probably China was behind these two countries quietly supporting the to fight .
Learn your English language before you write your kindergarten history.
The road from China to Gwadar port in Balochistan is going through occupied areas like Kashmir ( occupied by Pakistan in 1947), Kashmir (occupied by China in 1962), Balochistan ( occupied by Pakistan in 1948). If you support OBOR project, you support colonialism of China and Pakistan.
The so called Indian academics can learn from the highly covilized msnner in which the function is being conducted. One uncivilized historian even jimpled4anf pulled the mike from the chief guest. I applauf the Malaysians