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I have built for many decades, hundreads of structures , most every type of log home, post and beam to include conventional . There is a a time and place for each type and method with the many products that go with them. It takes months or years just to master even one of the trades but much longer to be a qualified builder. Having to meet the different codes of each state, county and or city and the codes for ever and ever changing will take far more than a five day course. I do agree that one can build their on house and save lots of money but that depends on the person and their circumstances. I disagree totally about the structural integrity part of this video. I would suggest learning all conventional carpentry first and then move on to beam works and or log works.
@assassinlexx look into ancient Japanese beam construction. ancient Japanese buildings were made with wood-to-wood joinery and no nails and still stand today even though it's a highly earthquake prone area.
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@ Grant Johnson. Surely you are not saying that I'm a shill for big construction ? I have had many home owner / build it their selves come to me halfway through building their homes or additions to help them, major works in place needing to be taken out from the roof down to the footings, two homes on unstable soil and sinking, dozens of issues. Most of these good people had one common denominator - a person who knew enough to be dangerous for them, a Carpenter or Carpenters helper or another tradesman . People that meant well but found themselves in a world of shit! I have helped a few in my life , worked for low wages for the best and nothing for the worst. I love the can do rugged spirt of American individualism but don't be a penny wise and a pound foolish or bite off more than you can chew. If you have the help and know how to permit and build your house like many do then go for it ! Maybe you have the ways and means to do parts of the work, say the finishes such as drywall ,painting, finish trim and or cabinet's , maybe set windows and installation of the siding or building the decks. There are no codes for the paint job or if your window trim doesn't fit perfectly and most would never know it but you. I am not for big construction when it comes to residential and for those that have or will bite off more than you can chew remember this " you will be stronger for what doesn't kill ya"
@@youngillinoisan4270 I wonder why Americans don't often build brick houses. In my country stick construction is basically unknown and mostly brick houses are build covered with styrofoam for isolation.
I used to have one. I just ended up with it somehow, I don't even know. I enjoyed having it around (it was huge though, like a 2' cube) until my former stepmom chucked it into a dumpster because she sucked.
Also fire resistance. Thick wood takes longer to burn through, whereas 2x4 are quick to burn through and you have a collapse sooner. Also less salvageable. Great video.
As a firefighter, from experience and from the book. Heavy timber frame (Type 3 construction) with stands heat so much better than the modern houses today. The modern homes today are so scary, and once they catch fire, they’re done
@@nhitc6832 sure...buy think about how often you've seen buildings that are still used with charred timbers inside them ...can you remember seeing even one ?
I've spent the last thirty + years doing barn and historical building's restoration. Nothing matches the elegance of a hand hewn, timbers framed structure. I live daily with the satisfaction knowing my work will be enjoyed and utilized for generations to come. Leaving my mark, and preserving the iconic American landscape of the pioneers and our ancestors have left me blessed.
MTpockets Woodenickle I tip my hat to you sir. 10 years in the business and working I get a deep sense of satisfaction when handling 100 year old timbers. Even when hung as aesthetics in mc mansions in Vail / Aspen.
@àsper Sounds kinda like you're proposing that lots of people should be killed off, specifically anyone you deem materialistic/don't agree with... treadin on dangerous ground there friend.
I remember watching a home renovation show and it showed this method of "timber framing". I asked myself why that house had less materials used compared to the "stick framing" method, I often see in other renovations. Thank you for the explanation. The timber frame method reminds me of the cabin style houses and even the traditional Japanese houses.
@@patdud that's the trade-off, I'm no expert but I would trust what was said in that 2x4s are likely not the most insulating thing out there. Timber will use much less wood in many cases, I'm sure, but as you said, 2x4s are much easier to make and come by in your average tree than a massive timber framing piece due to continuous size requirements. That said, timber framing looks awesome, and surely a part of this cost increase can also be attributed to the fact that stick framing is almost certainly much more common on the prefab market than a timber, and that likely lowers the average cost of stick framing by a significant amount (what I mean is that it seems like the fact that if a hosue is timber-built, it's much more likely to be a custom job than if it's a stick one, and custom jobs have inherently significantly higher costs)
I took the home builder class back in the late nineties. We helped to frame up one of the sons home and another project further up the coast. I bought a few of the best Japanese pull saws and chisels I’ve ever had. Back then I got a room at local landscaper’s house. It was a special trip.
Иван VII. 2x6 exterior walls, sometimes 2x8. Interior is 2x4. Usually 2x8 - 2x12 floor joist and a mixture of 2x4 and 2x6 for the trusses. Cover that with cheap 1/4” - 3/8” OSB and you’re set.
It's interesting though, because I'm just about to tear down my old kitchen (standalone building) and build a new stick-framed building. I haven't done any related searches.
Our barn is oak timber framed and the lumber was harvested off the farm almost 100 years ago. Something about seeing those old beams that warms your heart
I worked as a carpenter for over 25 years and never had a chance to build a timber frame home. It really looks like it would be fun to build. I built one post and beam, we called it, where the trusses on 2' centers lined up with 2x6 studs on exactly the same layout--it was quite a strong structure.
There's a lot more wood that goes into the timber frame than what is shown in this video. Before the SIPS go on the roof it would have t&g boards spanning across the trusses to support the SIPS panels depending on how far apart they are spaced. Of course the big factor when deciding between timber frame vs traditional stick frame is cost. Timber frames are much more expensive than traditional framed homes.
Yes, but in his models displayed neither has a roof. Even on a stick home you can use SIPS. Perhaps the major problem with timber frame is having access to the dimensions of lumber you need to build it, many homes now use 6x6 as 2x6@3 due to costs and availability.
Don't forget you will still have to frame in windows and doors and any vent/plumbing/electrical... and to frame that in you'll have to fill in those voids to attach it to the structure... this is like when people try and tell you shipping container homes are cheap... then you go to make one and realize it cost about 3x as much unless you just want a tin can with bed in it and black mold on the walls... the reason everyone builds houses like they do is because it's better.
@@scottsthaname1 ...which wouldn't even be allowed for all I know. Maybe this is just a California thing (I'm European so I don't know a lot about how y'all build), but I eagerly watched "The Modern Home Project", a guy making a few AirBnB's out of shipping containers back when that was the cool thing to do, and was surprised at the fact that they had to basically build an entire house inside the container. Seems like construction laws will require you to make something that cannot simply collapse on itself due to owner neglect, as in if you sold this thing on and the new owner didn't know (or care) to repaint the steel every once in a while, and as a result the roof caved in on them after 3 years because the welds rusted
You’ve sold me on building myself a timber frame house. Someday I want to build a retirement home for my wife and I in the mountains and I want it to be off the grid with well water and solar power. This seems like it would meet our needs nicely. We wouldn’t need anything large and I’m fairly handy. I’m sure with a few more decades of experience that I could build the entire thing myself. I would save money on materials, construction, and utilities and I could put those savings towards buying a large plot with good views.
I grew up in Lancaster, a couple miles from where that movie was filmed. The Amish are not as idyllic as they were once portrayed to be, and most have taken up more traditional construction methods. Most newly built barns and homesteads are quite sleek and modern. I guess they are still maintaining their traditions, but "Amish" is a very commercial term now.
And the durability can’t be overstated, I live in a house built by my great great great grandfather in 1873, still standing strong, even after a pipe burst and the house was abandoned for 10 years, I doubt any newer stick frame house will be standing nearly as long without an incredible amount of maintenance and money.
@@youngillinoisan4270 There are some timber frame houses nearly 900 years old still in use. I hope your children and great grandchildren and distant descendants get to enjoy your family's legacy home =)
I absolutely love the warmth of timber frame houses! Wood has lived years before it finally became a timber frame house. I think it's an ode to the tree itself to show its magnificent lines and colour, and a warmth you'll get nowhere else.
This is so cool. I have always admired timber framed buildings but had also assumed that they were no longer possible, simply due to the prevalence of stick-framed houses. Now I can dream again!
Really quite fascinating. There is a definite allure to building structures that could last centuries. I'll keep this in mind when I have the opportunity to build a home.
Absolutely. The average modern American home is just a slapped-together pile of building materials that will last for 60-80 years, tops. I wonder what will happen in the coming decades when they start reaching the end of their lives.
Most homes will be torn down in the future because of fashion, not because of construction. 60s bungalows are perfectly fine but being replaced with massive two stories people suddenly want.
@@HawkGTboy What do you think will happen to these slapped-together piles of building materials? I do renovations and work on that age of house all the time. Seems to be plenty of life left in them.. On the other hand, the looming problem I see is the steady loss of people who want and know how to do repairs and upkeep.
Amish do this. They're so many of them on the job they look like ants devouring a sandwich. They are just everywhere at once. Once it's up, the youngest get on the roof and start and then a group on each corner working one direction, and a crew framing out windows and doors and a crew in the inside, it's amazing.
My buddy bought a woodmizer sawmill and we not only built our first timber frame, we also milled every part of it. It is a huge barn with hay loft, horse stalls, tack room & an entire house all in one. It is going to last hundreds of years.
A stick-framed house can be insulated on the outside of the framing just like a timber-framed house. That being said, timber framing is certainly an elegant way to build a house.
@@MsElijah16 Virtually the same procedure. The house must have no overhangs then sheath the exterior With any number of products and seal the gaps, again many ways. Here is a video by Matt Risinger. This one of many he has on this topic. th-cam.com/video/7YO0t1FtyCg/w-d-xo.html
Your arguments are very convincing. This is a very informative video. However, I have my doubts about learning timber framing in five days. I live in France, where the cathedral builders go through a ten year intensive training. They live in dormitories, work ten hours a day, study technical drawing at night, and work in their specialised internal workshops until midnight. All weekends are devoted to preparing their first apprenticeship piece- not before 4 years. 2 weeks off a year. If they are accepted they continue their Tour de France- very gruelling. Then they prepare their grand masterpiece, always of mind- boggling complexity. These are the Master Builders. An extreme elite; they are called upon to do the most complex and difficult restoration and building across the whole globe. They are called the "Compagnons du Devoir". They date back to Medieval times. Thank you for posting this video. I am a humble cabinet maker myself. Best regards.
I may have been admiring the model house on the left too much and missed it but there may be another factor you could add to strengthen your cause for this building method: Longevity.A timber frame house can last for hundreds of years whereas conventional framing will be lucky to last 100,especially with contractor shortcuts and lack of inspectors.There was a timber framed barn from Germany that was 500 years old in my town in British Columbia,Canada.The owner had German carpenters label and dismantle it,crate and ship it to Canada and reassemble it for him as a home upstairs/restaurant downstairs.Imagine building a house on your own land and out of your own trees that your great grand-kids could live in one day.That's special.It also makes the high initial building cost very affordable over the long term.
There are a lot of old timberframes and they are truly beautiful and I hope to build one myself one day. But conventional framing lasts as long, there is nota difference there, wood is wood. Issue as you are describing is bad workmanship and bad techniques, My old house in sweden was from 1925 and it had a conventional frame, after refreshing most of the interior of it while I lived there I found no issues att all with the structure, if moistrue is propperly planned and everything is done right the conventional frame will last just as long as a Timber frame. In sweden we learned the hard way with -30c winters and +30c summers and become moisture experts tbh, and now with full mechanical ventilation that controls moistrue too it's going to be even easier. So it's not the frame that doesnt last, it's the surrounding systems that make or break it, you can as easily fuck up a Timber frame, enclosing it with no moistrue transportation and airing and if a timber frame rots then you have a 10 fold bigger problem then if a conventional fram would rot, just saying
@Linus Surface area has alot to say as well, thats why a log lasts so much longer than a small stick. Conventional frames here are Timber frames? 99% of the houses i se in this area is timberframes. Ive renovated a few houses, never came across anything else than timber frames. Greets from your neighbor :P
@@DGDG0000000 Cut the trees down in the spring,peel them,and stack them up off the ground.Go back the next spring and build with them.That's how my friends built log cabins.I know some that sent their logs to mills to be kiln dried so they could start sooner but most are willing to wait the year and save the transport and kiln cost.As for building a timber frame house,I would have to hire someone and do what they recommended.
You can do a combination of the two. You don't have to have the beams showing in a timber frame house. And you can use thicker lumber with modern fasteners in a "stick frame". It's not one or the other.
Its kind of nice to know that even though the exterior walls on timber frame have to be stick framed to simply have nailers. At least the question of what is load bearing is an easy question to answer. Makes for easier remodeling.
Brad Evans yup! Big timber frame and you can stand whatever walls you want, can even use soffits to run the mechanicals so it’s even easier to change interior configurations.
@@thinkfirst6431 most buildings here in Germany are mostly bricks and concrete. They are very solid and mostly well isolated. I thought that other countries have picked up but well . Old structures that are built with bricks and wood are also not hard to find, but I have never seen a house made completely out of wood/drywall. This concept is very foreign to me and I am blown away how easy it is to build these.
@@davidbeppler3032 wasn't entertaining enough so I closed the video. I already am in trade work so I know exactly what I was saying. Everyone thinks wood is better than everything else and so much of it is wasted. Just looking at the frame, one had more wood than the other.
@@jminkvihubyb Yes, the traditional house uses more wood. You were backwards. Either way noting wrong with building using renewable resources. Not sure why you think we are running out of wood, in the US we buy most of our framing wood from Canada.
Modern construction is coded for one reason only and that is to enrich the largest lumber companies that have huge budgets for lobbyist. There are numerous practical ways to build your home but you will not be approved by the code. Many techniques have been used for centuries and are still standing. In my coastal NC town the codes have become ridiculous and let's not forget that they are interpreted by some local jackass who has never built a doghouse. Some older homes here (100 years or more) are standing on stacked stones and are ballon framed for cooling. They have been through all the same damn hurricanes as all the rest of the homes in the area. Just saying that building codes are necessary to weed out the idiots but you should be able to build by other methods if you desire. There is more than one way to build a home.
Seeing those models reminds me of back in high school when in one of my elective classes we were given a model kit to build a home of about similar style in size. The material was balsa wood, and we used mainly a miter-box with a small hand saw to fit the frame. Small pins and some wood glue to put it all together. It was incredibly fun to learn how to build a home on a smaller scale, but also learning the techniques and proper spacing of the material. I will say there's something immeasurably satisfying about putting/making something with your bare hands.
I have a barn, about 150 years old, which is made of oak beams, all pegged, and has stood against many Hurricanes/Tropical Storms...just now survived Tropical Storm Lee...with the huge surfaces it has, it's truly amazing that it doesn't yield, though it shakes and creaks during such tough tests. I love the building and feel grateful to the builders every time it toughs out another storm! I'm a woodworker, so, maybe I'm 'biased'...haha! Cutting joints in a heavy beam is just so much fun!
I had a professor that did that all the time... his was a nervous tick... brilliant man just had a tick... they both are very smart men and have great knowledge to share
@@williamoverton7265 honestly it could be his also... He is not a personal friend or anything... just from what I seen from him here and on the other channel he has been on... Pure Living for Life... it looks like a tick to me... just like the professor I once had... both being very smart men with great knowledge that they like to pass on to other people... which seems like a great thing for people to do... I have a bit of the cough and hack from my youth for the same reason, along with smoking (my parents and my own)
Jack Duno GREAT question! You could surface mount in conduit. More typically it is run through the hung wall in chases or run through a chair rail mounted on the inside of the exterior wall. And then too run through the first floor platform and any interior partition walls.
The advantage of 'stick' framing is that there's far less constraint to the size and proportion of the rooms within the house. One doesn't need to be concerned as to the alignment of the timbers to the edge/corner of an internal divided space. Because of this, some Timber frame homes have hybrid (so called stick frame) interiors.
I would love to come try this course someday if my finances would allowed me to build a new home. Great Video and Amazing Work, I love seeing the timber used in construction be an aesthetically pleasing feature of any home. Peace and Love from Canada
It's interesting to see this a few years after I built a small structure with no framing experience. (so many years had gone by that the construction experience I had was lost anyway). The inspiration came from an abundance of free wood in the form of 120" pallets that had pine and oak 4x4s and pine 2x4s and pine 1x6's. I could get as many as I wanted, idk what you'd call my framing but it sure as hell worked.
While I love the tradition of timber frame construction I have a problem with the concept of using sips panels for insulation. Sips panels are structural. You can build a very strong house just with sips. A timber frame house with a sips exterior is a double built house, a luxury that few can afford.
Natedoc808 No, not a timber farmer, nor a timber framer, just a guy that got hooked on the Timber Frame concept through Jesse. and Alyssa’s build...and yes I picked up on your witty remark right away....because I saw what you did...😬😬
I don't think I can resist. I am fortunate in that I have a friend who is a very successful Timber Frame builder. His four port equipment garage is beautiful. He will be a terrific resource if I go deeper into this.
My house been up since the the civil war. We even have the old deed for the land. The structures are all axe hewn still see the deep cuts. The old drywall or Masonite was made with plaster and horses hair. Crazy the history a house can hold
I built a timberframe/ full scribed log home hybrid once. A very beautiful alternative to cip panels on the walls. You can also use full logs instead of square timbers. There's more math and work involved, but can be quite visibly rewarding.
Just saying, you can cover a stick frame building with all exterior insulation too, if you want to reduce thermal bridging. Also, now they have 2x6s that are a foam core between two 2x3s. Also, I would argue that there are certain advantages to stick framing that are not discussed here. Ease of renovation/modular modification of existing construction, reduced heavy equipment needs to get the real big timbers up and in place, and some other stuff. Not to mention, you don't have the kinds of trees you need everywhere to do timber framing everywhere. But yeah, for a places woth lotsa big trees, timber framing sure is awesome!
Timberframing can be done with timbers as small as 4.5x4.5" if it's a single story building. And historic methods such as wattle and daub are exponentially cheaper and easier to renovate than modern methods
@@d.e303-anewlowcosthomebuil7 No, it's still true now, both statements. Check out Japanese traditional construction. They do it all the time. Stands up to typhoons well enough. And some of those buildings are older than the USA. Earth building is making a comeback in the West, and simply requires dirt, clay, straw, and/or dung (if you want, lol).
A few years ago I built a small timber frame house/cabin out of wood logged off the forested property using only the Jack Sobon and Roger Schroeder book as a guide. It was quite a satifying acheivement, as someone with no real construction experience to speak of.
Here in germany we have houses build with timber frames that are well over 500 years old. Or our beautiful and centuries old half timbered houses. With some maintainance they really last forever - in human time scales. Today we build almost all our houses out of brick and concrete, some with steel framing and some still with timber framing. There are almost no stick frame buildings at all because they don't last and aren't very sound proof. You can see in american cities that many stick frame houses are just falling apart after 50 years. The brick house of my parents was build in 1892. My great great grandparents build it. The facade never needed any substantial repairs. Only all the stucco ornaments need some touching up every 20 years or so. The roof is covered with slate shingles broken out of a mountain near our town. We still use slate shingles today. They are all natural and almost ever lasting. And aside from a few broken shingles now and then the roof never needed any substantial repairs, either. Everything still is in great shape. The inside of the house has been modernised many times, of course. That is how you should build houses. They should be build to last 100 years without any substantial repairs.
Another consideration: Timbers are much harder to set on fire than 2x4s, which go up like matchsticks and are close enough to the next 2x4 to set it on fire too. A stick built house is like a bunch of perfectly spaced kiln dried kindling just waiting to go up on smoke. I see conspiracy theorists posting about California homes burning down where the trees around them don't all the time. These people don't understand just how hard it is to burn a live tree compared to kiln dried 2x4s. Sure, a timber would burn easier than a live tree, except that it doesn't have any branches to act as kindling. There is a reason why a fire door can be made out of wood. You can make a wood door that takes an hour for a raging fire to burn through.
@@rollerskdude Yeah, a concrete home with steel beams holding up the roof would be superior but I think a timber frame home with a metal roof would probably be sufficient to save most of the homes in california. Also preferably without plywood under the steel
Years ago, Steve Thomas of This Old House," promoted a project with timber framing. He stated that the best wood for this type of construction was old growth Douglas fir from the Pacific Northwest. That was in the "This Old Money" phase of the show. It was amazing to me that many people then were very concerned about the old growth forests and their unique ecosystems disappearing in the Northwest. Now, I think that they are using second growth (or younger) trees. There are very few mills in the Pacific Northwest that can even process the big logs.
Wow I have no idea why TH-cam recommended this video but damn that was REALLY COOL and now I want a timber framed house!!! That’s also really cool that you do classes teaching this! VERY neat!!!
There are large numbers of timber framed buildings here in England that have survived beautifully for many many centuries. Near my home is a medieval tithe barn dating to a little before 1300 with its original timber roof - it is in excellent condition.
What about some of the drawbacks to Timber Framing? 1. Fire resistance: Gypsum is non-combustible. Covering the framing with drywall helps reduce fire spread. 2. Upgradeability/modularity: Timber Framed structures are often much more difficult to expand. Stick framing is simpler for the DIY person to repair, add-on, etc. 3. Labor: Heavy timber is well... heavy and can be tough to frame with. A 16' long yellow pine 6x6 weighs about 140 lbs dry! 4. Building materials compatibility: Fixtures such as windows are engineered to work with stick framed structures... We moved away from heavy timber in the mid 1800's largely due to labor and material costs. Heavy timber construction requires skilled craftsmen and significant time. If you've got a bunch of skilled carpenters, lots of money, and/OR time heavy timber is definitely still a good option!
I bought a house that is called semi monitor construction, it is where the roofs do not come together at the ridge but one roof is several feet lower than the other side and there are clerestory windows all across one side of the house between the lower plane of the roof and the upper, otherwise it is s timber framing with open beams and the ceiling is 20 feet to the highest point, in living/dining room, master suite, and garage. The man that built it in 1991 was an architect and lead engineer at a nuclear power plant. Where the beams meet they form a triangle that is reinforced with steel gusset plates and 24 one inch diameter carriage bolts, a gusset on each side bolted to the wood. The roof is noisy sometimes but it is when the night ends and the sun heats the roof, then again at night or storms move in and cool the roof. It really is not for everyone but I think it is a spectacular house. It is 2,445 sq ft under air and 3,550 under roof. Has a very nice lanai out by the pool and 4 pocket sliders so you can open the whole living room to the lanai. One end of the living room is built in shelves, then 19 foot tall window on one side of the massive fireplace and a tall narrow window on the other side as well. I have never been able to find a video at TH-cam showing this type of construction, the beams are enormous, 4X10 and some are over 30 feet long. I do not understand how the roof system is supposed to work though as there is no insulation up there. There is over the other bedrooms and hall, but the roofing system was built apparently to allow cooler air to be drawn in at the low end and vents out at the top. Being Florida heat you might think is not that much of an issue but it does get cold here for at least brief periods. In fact last Christmas I had a broken water pipe. Those clerestory windows have cranks and open outwards, this is apparently to vent heat out and down below at ground level is supposed to stay cool. There are 142 panes of glass. My AC bill though does run about $300 monthly in summer which is long. If anyone has ever come across such a video about this kind of construction I would like to hear about it. The man who built it knew what he was doing, I had the chimney inspected to see if it was safe and needed cleaning. The chimneysweep said that the fireplace is one of the best he has ever seen, and the firebox is the Cadillac of fireboxes. However, the gutters out by the pool were inadequate size and drainage so the massive 4X10 36 feet of it rotted and had to be replaced, hell of a job that but I found a semi retired carpenter and his buddy and the three of us got the job done in 3 days.
You too will clear your throat with age.. I used to make fun of adults that groaned every time they squat or kneeled over.. Now I sound just like them 🤣
That is a riot!! the algorithms of TH-cam . . . . if you really are interested, check out online timber framing course onlinecourses.shelterinstitute.com/courses/purely-post-beam-online-course There is a free trial that might be fun to watch!
What happened to using full bricks. Instead of plywood and paper (drywall). I want my house to be build from concrete and steel. Slightly expensive but it will survive.
I have done a number of timber frames and stick frames too. There is nothing more satisfying then making nice timber joints! I am building my own house now and I will frame it with 2x4's and trusses. It will be much faster and use much less wood. I am cutting my own trees and getting them milled up. The thing that he did not mention is that SIP's are also full of wood too and they make the timber framed home double framed in essence. The framed house in contrast is only framed once. When I frame my house I will sheet the outside with 3" of styrofoam, then strap it and do board and batten on top. It will be strong, natural looking and well insulated. I do plan to do some round log timber framing to add that big wood beauty to my front entryway and livingroom. Timbers are certainly beautiful!
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I just found this video this company. I am in love with this channel. I can't stop watching!! & Listening. All day at work to if I Kept my phone paired to my milwaukee speaker just blaring across the shop. I love these homes so much!!! I ask my significant other!! If we could please change our home build to this. We just got started on developing the land. Thank goodness I found this. 🙌 Absolute beauty WE love this. So....I am excited to say. Timber frame here we come.
20 years in Florida as a carpenter. I have helped build both frames. The quality of build is the most important part. Both frames can withstand a hurricane. As long as you use a good contractor. I have rode out two hurricanes. Opel and Aron. I traveled rebuilding afterwards to. After Andrew I was in Miami for year. I have seen streets where you could spot good construction practices for corner cutters easily. The well built homes were still standing. Building codes are there for a reason.
Great points about the heat loss and the tremendous amount of material used in a stick home. Does a timber frame meet California specs for earthquakes? Seems like the unions and economic factors didn't put energy and the consumer's pocketbook first: e.g., the amount of foam insulation, the "perfect wall" with radiant barrier all seem to have come out of the need to deal with inefficiencies from the stick home approach.
"Gypsum Palace" LOL! Yes, most homes I've ever set foot into are painted gypsum palaces. Most post and beam homes I've seen are very open floor plans that give you a sense of free space and comfort. I've seen some very beautiful wood finishes on them. Plus, you can make timber frame styles out of square steel tubing for a super steampunk appearance, like a pavilion, but with monster windows to enclose it. Exposed water heaters, clearcoated copper plumbing, Stainless countertops. Stairs outside so you can get on the roof.
This is biased towards TF and often untrue. Not comparing apples to apples. TF is beautiful but the main reasons stick frame remains more popular is cost, flexibility, needs minimal skills and its familiarity. True that wood is not as good an insulation but easily remedied with insulated sheathing and/or staggered studs at very little extra. SIPS is a good system but you don't even need TF if you have it. The TF is essentially for the look. With standard framing, services such as electrical and plumbing are so much simpler, cheaper and easy to modify in future. Ps if you use timber off your lot, be prepared to get it graded by a professional as they won't accept it. Also be prepared to pay a lot more for engineering.
@@user-rg5hz5tm8c the current stick framing is called platform framing and is a relatively recent (30s or 40s) system. The focus on energy efficiency is really only since the late 70s when the cost of energy went up. Both systems were poor, TF was used mostly for barns in the colder areas which didn't matter and stick frame had no consideration for air tightness. This kept wood in good shape until they became (carelessly) lined with poly on the inside and then sealed with plywood outside instead of shiplap. This tended to trap condensation. The air tightness is important but consequently needs air exchange which is controlled and the exterior needs to breathe. Foam does get around the condensation issue and is great insulation for the depth, but is expensive and there is concern about off gassing with some types and insects seem to love it as it is easy to dig thru. Glass wools have their own problems of course too. TF for homes is more recent and, as I recall, came from people renovating barns into houses. Very cool but hardly cost effective. They did get exposure in the glossy architectural mags of the 60s tho which made it seem even cooler in a retro/hip nouveau sort of way . They really struggled with energy codes tho and added stick framing between frames for a while and so the Sips is a great solution. Just not all that economical.
The Big bad Wolf loves stick built garbage. Back in Cornwall UK, the youngest house we lived in was over 200 years old, the oldest over 500. Now in Tasmania, our new house, stick built is already half chewed by mice. Gonna sell it before it falls down. Bought a doer upper from 1950, hardwood roof trusses 10ft apart, tried to drill holes to mount a home cinema projector, broke half a dozen drill bits and several hex bolts. When all the stick built softwood, crap houses around here all blow away in that hundred year storm. This massive, enormously heavy, beast of a building will still stand. As for heavy, English Oak dwellings, a thousand year life expectancy is standard. There is no greater qualities than craftsmanship and durability. Pine stick houses are disposable like everything else today.
@user name taken those who build with there own trees, on their own land, usually build themselves. THEY never hurry, but plan for years, then take quite a while to achieve their goal. Instant gratification does not lead to long term fulfillment.
In German this kind of craftsmanship is called "Zimmerei". Come here and study it for 3 years and after that you can study "Zimmermanmeister" and master It. You will get it for free, more than that you will earn some money, learn some new language and you will have some long holidays.
Could you imagine paying for something like this? I can't wrap my head around it. Anyone wanting to build a timber frame house is willing to put in the work. And if you are willing to do the labor, why in the world are you paying to learn? Just go work for free on a jobsite.. so absurd. Natural building schools do this too. Who falls for this crap?
Yes. Traditional = mortis and tenon joints etc with large timbers. Stick framing = modern timber framing with smaller but more timbers held together using nail guns. Much quicker, much cheaper. Often timber 'kits' are produced in factories these days on almost autonomous systems. Smaller timber sizes are cheaper because you can get more from smaller trees. Traditional framing is cool though, I have a lot of respect for the craftsmanship involved.
@@scottm4193 yeah, I have a 100 acre property in Wyoming (won't say where exactly) that I bought in '09. I've finally saved the resources to build my family retreat and was doing some costing. Land was cheap because its 3 miles in by dirt road from the main road. Pretty clean but could be better. A friend of mine who bought a property a few miles away made his home from a reclaimed barn in Kentucky. It's a fairly large house (500sqyd footprint) but cost way more than I can afford. He spent nearly $200k just finding, assessing, purchasing then transporting the timbers. He had us over for the raising and he told me it was cheaper to do it with timbers. It was pretty obvious why buy I didn't want to cut down any of the larger trees on my property. I have a basically unlimited source of new growth 2"x4" boards which I can get from a construction scrap yard for free. Gonna experiment trying to make my own glulam timbers and sips. I already found a great tutorial on making fireproof insulating concrete. If you have any ideas I can use I'm all ears. I'd like to build as large a home as I can with the money I have.
@@varun009Sounds fantastic, best of luck on the project. I work as an energy and construction consultant in Scotland so things are probably slightly different here in terms of codes etc. The standard timber kits here (in mm you'll need to convert to inches) are - timber wall studs 140mm x 38mm fully filled with mineral/glass wool insulation with 25mm rigid PIR insulation on inside face. Timber walls are usually finished with a brick outer leaf or render on blockwork. You can timber clad the kit panels but they don't perform as well in terms of energy efficiency as you have more ventilation in the cavity. Floor build up is usually a suspended concrete slab with 100 - 200mm PIR insulation below the slab. Roof is usually always a pitched 'cold' roof with approx 350mm mineral/glass wool between and over the ceiling joists. This is how 90% of new build homes in Scotland are made these days but our energy efficiency codes might be stricter or not as much where you're from. Cheap but energy efficient and warm in winter. Generally speaking using smaller timbers will save you more money. But you'll need more in terms of numbers to meet engineering structural requirements. My recommendation is to do as much research and watch as many videos as you can and things will start to come together in your head.
@@scottm4193 thanks for the reply. Research is basically all I'm doing right now. Recent financial gains have afforded me that luxury, but, unfortunately, little else. Our codes aren't strict in that they're not elaborate. This state happens to set energy efficiency regulations but is very lax on how you get to that point as long as your project is in compliance with other building codes (certain distance from trees and all that). Given how cold it gets here, market forces, more so than government regulations, dictate the extent to which one insulates and otherwise weatherproofs their home. I have an idea of what the footprint may be. I'm looking at about 1,200 sqyds built in three modules multi story. I live not to far from a mountain range so I'll be getting higher pitched roofs whose cost to the home's overall versatility should be sufficiently offset by the addition of a second-storey (first storey I on your side of the Atlantic) deck wrapping around and connecting the house. Thanks very much for the input. I'm very excited to get started but I have a long way to go before pouring the foundation. Thanks for the feedback!
@@scottm4193 Any modern prefab builder uses timber framing and not stick framing, its simply inefficient. Sure, they divide the walls which makes it slightly less efficient but still use timber-framing. The stick framing seems to me like something American. Instead of using battens they use 4 by 2 to do the same.
The old house where I live has a very rustic old garage that was made that way. When we were remodeling the rotting walls, I was wondering why the roof support seemed "wrong" and was made that way, so different to modern techniques. Yet it was still standing like nothing. But we had to be careful during the wall changes because taking the walls apart would have jeopardize the whole roof support. Now the garage has modern wall support methods holding an old-style roof on top.
advantages of stickframing: 1. largely unskilled - almost any fool off the street can use a skilsaw and a hammer, cordless drill and screws, and nailplates. 2. readily adapted on-site. see #1 and #5 3. low cost per structural element. see #1 and understand the reason for >10% wastage rolled into mat'l estimates. 4. low weight per structural element, easier for the unskilled and the small-crew (home improvement) to manhandle. 5. planning and execution are more tolerant of slop, error, and revision - shims, shoring, and cladding hide the deviations from the eventual owners... for a while. see #1 6. fits better with planned obsolescence model of property and economics. timberframing requires meticulous prefabrication and perfect site-prep - you actually have to have surveying, foundation, and carpentry chops to pull it off. if you have the skills and the tools and the necessary meticulousness and want to build something that will last, timberframing (including use of engineered/glulam elements) becomes appealing.
Those "fools" built the vast majority of homes in the America over the last century, many of them very skilled carpenters working in an environment shaped by the current industry and the economy. What a pretentious post.
@@DWhite-el4ih - out of curiosity, how many years have you worked in woodframe construction and renovation for your living? Me? Only three years. Followed by decades of watching others build, getting certified in architectural drafting, and still doing the occasional construction and renovation - often involving unfucking what fools calling themselves professionals have done in the past. how many drunks and junkies have you seen among the crews you have observed? How many who can't read a print, think they are a carpenter, can't add a simple sum, will tell you that a power tool is -I shit you not- "haunted"? "pretentious"? mmm'kay. I'll note in passing that you haven't actually countered any of the points I made. be well. pray, be silent.
@@gordonpromish9218 You're that annoying guy no one wants to talk to at parties because they know you will likely attempt to tell them how to do just about everything in life aren't you? I know people like you. You're all the same. It's sad really. How many contractors, craftsman, carpenters, etc. do you think have said the same thing you have about "unfucking" what fools have done. Do you think you're special? Nice vocabulary by the way. You're not the first person, nor will you be the last, to criticize the work of others because you feel they are beneath you because they don't appear to be as intelligent or may not have a post high school education. Have fun complaining to your friends and clients. I would say be silent but it's clear you're not one to keep your mouth shut for very long.
They are the cathedrals of home design. Absolutely beautiful structures. Timeless and everlasting. Very nice presentation. I'll have to look into your institute.
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I didn't take the time to read many comments at all, so please forgive me if my comment beats a dead horse. I've been a woodworking guy and have had a fair amount of exposure to timber framing during my lifetime. LOVE the process and the result! When I went to look at building my current home, I was quite surprised the cost of TF versus conventional stick building appeared to be much higher. This gentleman didn't do any kind of quantitative cost analysis. Wondering if this cost difference is still a big consideration as it was 20+ years ago when I built.
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I have built for many decades, hundreads of structures , most every type of log home, post and beam to include conventional . There is a a time and place for each type and method with the many products that go with them. It takes months or years just to master even one of the trades but much longer to be a qualified builder. Having to meet the different codes of each state, county and or city and the codes for ever and ever changing will take far more than a five day course. I do agree that one can build their on house and save lots of money but that depends on the person and their circumstances. I disagree totally about the structural integrity part of this video. I would suggest learning all conventional carpentry first and then move on to beam works and or log works.
@assassinlexx look into ancient Japanese beam construction. ancient Japanese buildings were made with wood-to-wood joinery and no nails and still stand today even though it's a highly earthquake prone area.
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@ Grant Johnson. Surely you are not saying that I'm a shill for big construction ? I have had many home owner / build it their selves come to me halfway through building their homes or additions to help them, major works in place needing to be taken out from the roof down to the footings, two homes on unstable soil and sinking, dozens of issues. Most of these good people had one common denominator - a person who knew enough to be dangerous for them, a Carpenter or Carpenters helper or another tradesman . People that meant well but found themselves in a world of shit! I have helped a few in my life , worked for low wages for the best and nothing for the worst. I love the can do rugged spirt of American individualism but don't be a penny wise and a pound foolish or bite off more than you can chew. If you have the help and know how to permit and build your house like many do then go for it ! Maybe you have the ways and means to do parts of the work, say the finishes such as drywall ,painting, finish trim and or cabinet's , maybe set windows and installation of the siding or building the decks. There are no codes for the paint job or if your window trim doesn't fit perfectly and most would never know it but you. I am not for big construction when it comes to residential and for those that have or will bite off more than you can chew remember this " you will be stronger for what doesn't kill ya"
I'm starting to get the feeling this guy prefers timber frame construction.
The hints are subtle but they are there
@@adropintheocean6282 it was a joke, you knob
Probably because that’s the best way to build a house that will last
Gee i wonder why...
@@youngillinoisan4270 I wonder why Americans don't often build brick houses. In my country stick construction is basically unknown and mostly brick houses are build covered with styrofoam for isolation.
Is it just me, or are those small model frames the coolest coffee table centerpiece? They're like artwork.
I think every house should have a tiny replica house inside.
@@Broken_robot1986 "Houseception"...
@@75blackviking Xzihibt - "I heard you like houses inside houses"
architecture and scale modeling are indeed, art
I used to have one. I just ended up with it somehow, I don't even know. I enjoyed having it around (it was huge though, like a 2' cube) until my former stepmom chucked it into a dumpster because she sucked.
Also fire resistance. Thick wood takes longer to burn through, whereas 2x4 are quick to burn through and you have a collapse sooner. Also less salvageable. Great video.
You'd be surprised how quickly a fire consumes a building
@crispycream6882 once you've see how quickly a building goes up because of the containment of the heat inside the space you'd understand
As a firefighter, from experience and from the book. Heavy timber frame (Type 3 construction) with stands heat so much better than the modern houses today. The modern homes today are so scary, and once they catch fire, they’re done
it still doesn't negate the fact that thicker woods are better at fire resistance. @@oftin_wong
@@nhitc6832 sure...buy think about how often you've seen buildings that are still used with charred timbers inside them ...can you remember seeing even one ?
I've spent the last thirty + years doing barn and historical building's restoration.
Nothing matches the elegance of a hand hewn, timbers framed structure.
I live daily with the satisfaction knowing my work will be enjoyed and utilized for generations to come.
Leaving my mark, and preserving the iconic American landscape of the pioneers and our ancestors have left me blessed.
MTpockets Woodenickle I tip my hat to you sir. 10 years in the business and working I get a deep sense of satisfaction when handling 100 year old timbers. Even when hung as aesthetics in mc mansions in Vail / Aspen.
Not with all those SIP panels on it
@àsper Sounds kinda like you're proposing that lots of people should be killed off, specifically anyone you deem materialistic/don't agree with... treadin on dangerous ground there friend.
@àsper your notions are simply a myth.
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@àsper have an open mind; you may be wrong in your assumptions.
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I remember watching a home renovation show and it showed this method of "timber framing". I asked myself why that house had less materials used compared to the "stick framing" method, I often see in other renovations. Thank you for the explanation.
The timber frame method reminds me of the cabin style houses and even the traditional Japanese houses.
we dont have access to the mass amounts of virgin and old trees to create homes of this type anymore as its almost all been logged
@@patdud that's the trade-off, I'm no expert but I would trust what was said in that 2x4s are likely not the most insulating thing out there. Timber will use much less wood in many cases, I'm sure, but as you said, 2x4s are much easier to make and come by in your average tree than a massive timber framing piece due to continuous size requirements. That said, timber framing looks awesome, and surely a part of this cost increase can also be attributed to the fact that stick framing is almost certainly much more common on the prefab market than a timber, and that likely lowers the average cost of stick framing by a significant amount
(what I mean is that it seems like the fact that if a hosue is timber-built, it's much more likely to be a custom job than if it's a stick one, and custom jobs have inherently significantly higher costs)
Can someone please tell him that no one can live in a house that small!!! It has to be at least 5 times bigger. My god.
Shaaron Elisha lol I’m dying 🤣
A home with a floor area of 2 sq. ft. Is. a little cramped but you get used to it.
@[The] White Rabbit It's a Zoolander quote. He is surely joking.
Hence the Tiny House craze.
Hahahahahaha I don't know why I can't stop laughing at this comment!
I took the home builder class back in the late nineties. We helped to frame up one of the sons home and another project further up the coast. I bought a few of the best Japanese pull saws and chisels I’ve ever had.
Back then I got a room at local landscaper’s house.
It was a special trip.
Cost, cost is the reason we build with dimensional lumber. You can get a whole bunk of 2x4s for the cost of one timber
Yup. Timber makes sense if you own the trees as he said. But out here in the midwest where 90% of land is plains. 2x4s are the way to go.
Thought there must be a reason.
Do americans mostly build their homes with 2x4s? That seems far too flimsy and uninsulated for my liking.
Иван VII.
2x6 exterior walls, sometimes 2x8.
Interior is 2x4.
Usually 2x8 - 2x12 floor joist and a mixture of 2x4 and 2x6 for the trusses.
Cover that with cheap 1/4” - 3/8” OSB and you’re set.
So go somewhere and get them.
TH-cam algorithm: “You wanna learn the difference between timber and stick frames?”
I know, where was this when I was researching building my shed? No where,. but 4 years later it shows up!
Hell ya!
I legit tapped on this video thinking it was from the Onion. The channel icon got me
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It's interesting though, because I'm just about to tear down my old kitchen (standalone building) and build a new stick-framed building. I haven't done any related searches.
Our barn is oak timber framed and the lumber was harvested off the farm almost 100 years ago. Something about seeing those old beams that warms your heart
I worked as a carpenter for over 25 years and never had a chance to build a timber frame home. It really looks like it would be fun to build. I built one post and beam, we called it, where the trusses on 2' centers lined up with 2x6 studs on exactly the same layout--it was quite a strong structure.
There's a lot more wood that goes into the timber frame than what is shown in this video. Before the SIPS go on the roof it would have t&g boards spanning across the trusses to support the SIPS panels depending on how far apart they are spaced. Of course the big factor when deciding between timber frame vs traditional stick frame is cost. Timber frames are much more expensive than traditional framed homes.
Yes, but in his models displayed neither has a roof. Even on a stick home you can use SIPS. Perhaps the major problem with timber frame is having access to the dimensions of lumber you need to build it, many homes now use 6x6 as 2x6@3 due to costs and availability.
Don't forget you will still have to frame in windows and doors and any vent/plumbing/electrical... and to frame that in you'll have to fill in those voids to attach it to the structure... this is like when people try and tell you shipping container homes are cheap... then you go to make one and realize it cost about 3x as much unless you just want a tin can with bed in it and black mold on the walls... the reason everyone builds houses like they do is because it's better.
@@scottsthaname1 ...which wouldn't even be allowed for all I know. Maybe this is just a California thing (I'm European so I don't know a lot about how y'all build), but I eagerly watched "The Modern Home Project", a guy making a few AirBnB's out of shipping containers back when that was the cool thing to do, and was surprised at the fact that they had to basically build an entire house inside the container. Seems like construction laws will require you to make something that cannot simply collapse on itself due to owner neglect, as in if you sold this thing on and the new owner didn't know (or care) to repaint the steel every once in a while, and as a result the roof caved in on them after 3 years because the welds rusted
its expensive because nobody does it.
@@luke2806 Maybe nobody does it because it is expensive.
"Gypsum palace" I died. lol
Yup ,true too wall to wall gypsum
heavy ass panels of chalk all over the place, uy vey!
xxcurtisx21x Also know as a vinyl palace.
J Sev, gypsum isn't toxic... it's a fucking food additive... Gypsum boards are dumb due to other reasons, but toxicity ain't one.
@@livedandletdie sure it is.
try breathing the dust for a while and get back to me.
I don't know how TH-cam knew that I wanted to see this, but I'm so happy that it did. I'm hooked.
You’ve sold me on building myself a timber frame house. Someday I want to build a retirement home for my wife and I in the mountains and I want it to be off the grid with well water and solar power. This seems like it would meet our needs nicely. We wouldn’t need anything large and I’m fairly handy. I’m sure with a few more decades of experience that I could build the entire thing myself. I would save money on materials, construction, and utilities and I could put those savings towards buying a large plot with good views.
I hope you attain your dream. I also prefer to put my money into land rather than a house
.... for my wife and (for) ME....
@@nanwuamitofo Hay man. I’m sure your a nice guy butt this dude doesnt even no you . Why would he want too build a house for YOU and youre wife?!
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Ever since I saw that movie Witness with Harrison Ford I've always wanted to build a timber house. Super cool!
When you're Amish, you don't need things like wiring, plumbing, and HVAC, so, enjoy.
@Da Squirrel D'oeth!
I grew up in Lancaster, a couple miles from where that movie was filmed. The Amish are not as idyllic as they were once portrayed to be, and most have taken up more traditional construction methods. Most newly built barns and homesteads are quite sleek and modern. I guess they are still maintaining their traditions, but "Amish" is a very commercial term now.
good movie
@@Banryu95 you’re right. They’re not as behind the times as their initial appearance leads you to believe.
The timber frame is just so beautiful once finished, plus the craftsmanship is just mind blowing
And the durability can’t be overstated, I live in a house built by my great great great grandfather in 1873, still standing strong, even after a pipe burst and the house was abandoned for 10 years, I doubt any newer stick frame house will be standing nearly as long without an incredible amount of maintenance and money.
@@youngillinoisan4270 There are some timber frame houses nearly 900 years old still in use. I hope your children and great grandchildren and distant descendants get to enjoy your family's legacy home =)
I absolutely love the warmth of timber frame houses!
Wood has lived years before it finally became a timber frame house. I think it's an ode to the tree itself to show its magnificent lines and colour, and a warmth you'll get nowhere else.
This is so cool. I have always admired timber framed buildings but had also assumed that they were no longer possible, simply due to the prevalence of stick-framed houses. Now I can dream again!
Really quite fascinating. There is a definite allure to building structures that could last centuries. I'll keep this in mind when I have the opportunity to build a home.
Absolutely. The average modern American home is just a slapped-together pile of building materials that will last for 60-80 years, tops. I wonder what will happen in the coming decades when they start reaching the end of their lives.
Most homes will be torn down in the future because of fashion, not because of construction. 60s bungalows are perfectly fine but being replaced with massive two stories people suddenly want.
@@HawkGTboy they will be replaced with something better.
@@HawkGTboy What do you think will happen to these slapped-together piles of building materials? I do renovations and work on that age of house all the time. Seems to be plenty of life left in them.. On the other hand, the looming problem I see is the steady loss of people who want and know how to do repairs and upkeep.
Amish do this. They're so many of them on the job they look like ants devouring a sandwich. They are just everywhere at once. Once it's up, the youngest get on the roof and start and then a group on each corner working one direction, and a crew framing out windows and doors and a crew in the inside, it's amazing.
If ever society collapses the Amish may be the only ones left lol
Can I pay the Amish for them to build me a house?
@@Matachilangos yes you can, at least in the upstate NY area near watertown you can
Lancaster PA has a number of Amish construction companies who do barns, homes, outbuildings, etc.
Nope, cause they won't fight .
Seems to me this guy loves wood so much, he has wood dust coursing through his lungs.
That can also be caused by a mild allergy to his high blood pressure medicine.
Except, of course, that he doesn't actually know very much about real-world framing.
Maybe he enjoys to hit a few joints from time to time. Have a couple smokes. Couple beers. Eh
Doesn't sound too healthy
Is that a 2x4 in your pocket or do you just like wood
4 bents at 10' is a 30' building. same as fence posts
smort haha
Ikr I caught that too
@doc hall no, look at the model- there are only 3 spaces or bays between the 4 bents, = 30'
Eh, well you, mnh, know... unh, it must be hard to concentrate in between clearing your throat every ten seconds.
Yep, have to count the first
I didn’t know how much I want a timber framed home
My buddy bought a woodmizer sawmill and we not only built our first timber frame, we also milled every part of it. It is a huge barn with hay loft, horse stalls, tack room & an entire house all in one.
It is going to last hundreds of years.
Great to hear. How satisfying.
A stick-framed house can be insulated on the outside of the framing just like a timber-framed house. That being said, timber framing is certainly an elegant way to build a house.
i added foam to mine easily...just ask
How do you insulate on the outside?
@@MsElijah16 just nail on foam board
@@MsElijah16 Virtually the same procedure. The house must have no overhangs then sheath the exterior With any number of products and seal the gaps, again many ways. Here is a video by Matt Risinger. This one of many he has on this topic. th-cam.com/video/7YO0t1FtyCg/w-d-xo.html
As you said, it's not a nice look with 24" inch studs on the inside. Wider gaps with wider timber is what makes that aestetic possible :D
Your arguments are very convincing. This is a very informative video. However, I have my doubts about learning timber framing in five days. I live in France, where the cathedral builders go through a ten year intensive training. They live in dormitories, work ten hours a day, study technical drawing at night, and work in their specialised internal workshops until midnight. All weekends are devoted to preparing their first apprenticeship piece- not before 4 years. 2 weeks off a year. If they are accepted they continue their Tour de France- very gruelling. Then they prepare their grand masterpiece, always of mind- boggling complexity. These are the Master Builders. An extreme elite; they are called upon to do the most complex and difficult restoration and building across the whole globe. They are called the "Compagnons du Devoir". They date back to Medieval times.
Thank you for posting this video. I am a humble cabinet maker myself. Best regards.
I don't think he is implying that you will be an expert in 5 days. Rather, you would learn the basic skills and process.
I may have been admiring the model house on the left too much and missed it but there may be another factor you could add to strengthen your cause for this building method: Longevity.A timber frame house can last for hundreds of years whereas conventional framing will be lucky to last 100,especially with contractor shortcuts and lack of inspectors.There was a timber framed barn from Germany that was 500 years old in my town in British Columbia,Canada.The owner had German carpenters label and dismantle it,crate and ship it to Canada and reassemble it for him as a home upstairs/restaurant downstairs.Imagine building a house on your own land and out of your own trees that your great grand-kids could live in one day.That's special.It also makes the high initial building cost very affordable over the long term.
Timber frames are adaptable and durable!
There are a lot of old timberframes and they are truly beautiful and I hope to build one myself one day.
But conventional framing lasts as long, there is nota difference there, wood is wood.
Issue as you are describing is bad workmanship and bad techniques, My old house in sweden was from 1925 and it had a conventional frame, after refreshing most of the interior of it while I lived there I found no issues att all with the structure, if moistrue is propperly planned and everything is done right the conventional frame will last just as long as a Timber frame.
In sweden we learned the hard way with -30c winters and +30c summers and become moisture experts tbh, and now with full mechanical ventilation that controls moistrue too it's going to be even easier.
So it's not the frame that doesnt last, it's the surrounding systems that make or break it, you can as easily fuck up a Timber frame, enclosing it with no moistrue transportation and airing and if a timber frame rots then you have a 10 fold bigger problem then if a conventional fram would rot, just saying
@Linus Surface area has alot to say as well, thats why a log lasts so much longer than a small stick. Conventional frames here are Timber frames? 99% of the houses i se in this area is timberframes. Ive renovated a few houses, never came across anything else than timber frames. Greets from your neighbor :P
from your own trees ? you need first to remove resin, then make it dry... do tou have a river ? then do you have 7 years to wait for dry wood ?
@@DGDG0000000 Cut the trees down in the spring,peel them,and stack them up off the ground.Go back the next spring and build with them.That's how my friends built log cabins.I know some that sent their logs to mills to be kiln dried so they could start sooner but most are willing to wait the year and save the transport and kiln cost.As for building a timber frame house,I would have to hire someone and do what they recommended.
You can do a combination of the two. You don't have to have the beams showing in a timber frame house. And you can use thicker lumber with modern fasteners in a "stick frame". It's not one or the other.
this man looks like an excellent teacher and person.
Its kind of nice to know that even though the exterior walls on timber frame have to be stick framed to simply have nailers. At least the question of what is load bearing is an easy question to answer.
Makes for easier remodeling.
Brad Evans yup! Big timber frame and you can stand whatever walls you want, can even use soffits to run the mechanicals so it’s even easier to change interior configurations.
Who else has never watched anything related to this and doesn't know why this is in their recommend?
Idk what it’s here but I sure did enjoy it
Im actually interested now tho
@@thinkfirst6431 most buildings here in Germany are mostly bricks and concrete. They are very solid and mostly well isolated. I thought that other countries have picked up but well . Old structures that are built with bricks and wood are also not hard to find, but I have never seen a house made completely out of wood/drywall. This concept is very foreign to me and I am blown away how easy it is to build these.
So whats better? Concrete houses? or Wood houses?
Here!
Id much rather have a timber house than a stick frame house.
Which is why so many trees are being cut. It's really bad for the environment but who cares about that, right
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@@jminkvihubyb You are backwards. Rewatch the video.
@@davidbeppler3032 wasn't entertaining enough so I closed the video. I already am in trade work so I know exactly what I was saying. Everyone thinks wood is better than everything else and so much of it is wasted. Just looking at the frame, one had more wood than the other.
@@jminkvihubyb Yes, the traditional house uses more wood. You were backwards. Either way noting wrong with building using renewable resources. Not sure why you think we are running out of wood, in the US we buy most of our framing wood from Canada.
I appreciate your completely unbiased comparison.
Thanks TH-cam, I didn’t know I needed to know the difference between timber framing and stick framing
I love that style, my wife does to, exposed wood inside. Beautiful.
My beautiful wife likes my exposed wood inside.
Same words different meaning.
The look of timber is very hard to beat!
@@wisconsinfarmer4742 LMAO! I was thinking the same!
you are saying your wife loves your exposed wood?
That's the only way my wife likes wood inside too. 😊👍
I’m from Lancashire England & there are thousands of timber built houses hundreds of years old, many 500 hundred years old mainly built of oak
Well that's where the old growth forests went.
@@johnnymcblaze also the navy.
Love how this video is just subtly dropping shade on modern construction.
Modern construction is coded for one reason only and that is to enrich the largest lumber companies that have huge budgets for lobbyist. There are numerous practical ways to build your home but you will not be approved by the code. Many techniques have been used for centuries and are still standing. In my coastal NC town the codes have become ridiculous and let's not forget that they are interpreted by some local jackass who has never built a doghouse. Some older homes here (100 years or more) are standing on stacked stones and are ballon framed for cooling. They have been through all the same damn hurricanes as all the rest of the homes in the area. Just saying that building codes are necessary to weed out the idiots but you should be able to build by other methods if you desire. There is more than one way to build a home.
Seeing those models reminds me of back in high school when in one of my elective classes we were given a model kit to build a home of about similar style in size. The material was balsa wood, and we used mainly a miter-box with a small hand saw to fit the frame. Small pins and some wood glue to put it all together. It was incredibly fun to learn how to build a home on a smaller scale, but also learning the techniques and proper spacing of the material.
I will say there's something immeasurably satisfying about putting/making something with your bare hands.
I have a barn, about 150 years old, which is made of oak beams, all pegged, and has stood against many Hurricanes/Tropical Storms...just now survived Tropical Storm Lee...with the huge surfaces it has, it's truly amazing that it doesn't yield, though it shakes and creaks during such tough tests. I love the building and feel grateful to the builders every time it toughs out another storm! I'm a woodworker, so, maybe I'm 'biased'...haha! Cutting joints in a heavy beam is just so much fun!
Cough drops will fix that.I have trouble with that too. Great presentation.
I had a professor that did that all the time... his was a nervous tick... brilliant man just had a tick... they both are very smart men and have great knowledge to share
@@markthompson4225 For me it is from years of wood working with poor dust collection ans dry air in the shop?
@@williamoverton7265 honestly it could be his also... He is not a personal friend or anything... just from what I seen from him here and on the other channel he has been on... Pure Living for Life... it looks like a tick to me... just like the professor I once had... both being very smart men with great knowledge that they like to pass on to other people... which seems like a great thing for people to do... I have a bit of the cough and hack from my youth for the same reason, along with smoking (my parents and my own)
@@williamoverton7265 the one big down side to power tools over hand tools.
wouldn't help this guy have a chronic problem with his sinuses.
It's 3am and I'm never in my life going to need this info.
0930 and I knew all this. Still watched for no good reason. Life’s a ride.
Almost 2am and this what im watchin
Qwalay 1.35 👍🏼
Yessss this is what I’ve been looking for and he answered a lot of questions in that short time.
The man is an enlightening Guru of construction
Just curious, how do you wire a thing like this? Where do your device boxes go... Would they all be surface mount and run with exposed conduit?
Jack Duno GREAT question! You could surface mount in conduit. More typically it is run through the hung wall in chases or run through a chair rail mounted on the inside of the exterior wall. And then too run through the first floor platform and any interior partition walls.
The SIPs have pre drilled channels in them for electric and plumbing so they are hidden from sight
Everything wireless.
Chinese!
kind of bummed he didn’t go into the advantages of stick framing. makes this just an ad instead of an informative video
I mean, it *is* an ad
advantages of stick framing? more job site waste? More lumber? more seams in the envelope? what exactly are the benefits you are describing?
@@dennisnelson1602 Those are disadvantages, ya dum-dum
@@deerkiller61 lol, no shit? That's his point.
The advantage of 'stick' framing is that there's far less constraint to the size and proportion of the rooms within the house. One doesn't need to be concerned as to the alignment of the timbers to the edge/corner of an internal divided space. Because of this, some Timber frame homes have hybrid (so called stick frame) interiors.
Friendly reminder: Don't have ice cream before a presentation.
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@@afn-bd2ro frequent throat-clearing but that's probably just a mild nervous tick ... lots of people do it and don't realize it.
I noticed that too very early. I wish I was the person that didn't notice, because when you do, it's awful to listen to.
We played a drinking game where we took a shot every time he cleared his throat. I'm the only one that survived following a liver transplant.
@@realgenxscott, it's a sign of being quite dehydrated. Moreso than many will respond to.
i went with a (square) log home. it's been 23 years and i love it as much now as the day i moved in.
I would love to come try this course someday if my finances would allowed me to build a new home. Great Video and Amazing Work, I love seeing the timber used in construction be an aesthetically pleasing feature of any home. Peace and Love from Canada
It's interesting to see this a few years after I built a small structure with no framing experience. (so many years had gone by that the construction experience I had was lost anyway). The inspiration came from an abundance of free wood in the form of 120" pallets that had pine and oak 4x4s and pine 2x4s and pine 1x6's. I could get as many as I wanted, idk what you'd call my framing but it sure as hell worked.
While I love the tradition of timber frame construction I have a problem with the concept of using sips panels for insulation. Sips panels are structural. You can build a very strong house just with sips. A timber frame house with a sips exterior is a double built house, a luxury that few can afford.
Another option as said in the video is Straw-Bales (multiple benefits including excellent insulation) when building Timber Frame.
Jesse and Alyssa with Pure Living For Life is we’re I first seen the timber frame concept in place...and you were there!
We were there! What a busy week that was!
You must be a timber farmer otherwise that’s where you would have “first saw the timber frame concept”.
Natedoc808 No, not a timber farmer, nor a timber framer, just a guy that got hooked on the Timber Frame concept through Jesse. and Alyssa’s build...and yes I picked up on your witty remark right away....because I saw what you did...😬😬
Jesse and Alyssa did a great job of showing off their class, and Levi did a great job filming the Idaho class! I really enjoyed watching all of it.
aw! Thought you were making a reference to those middle school history reinactment videos thatalways ended with, "And YOU were THERE!"
I don't think I can resist. I am fortunate in that I have a friend who is a very successful Timber Frame builder. His four port equipment garage is beautiful. He will be a terrific resource if I go deeper into this.
My house been up since the the civil war. We even have the old deed for the land. The structures are all axe hewn still see the deep cuts. The old drywall or Masonite was made with plaster and horses hair. Crazy the history a house can hold
Horses running around naked and freaked out, buff dudes just flexing in their awesome houses.
I built a timberframe/ full scribed log home hybrid once. A very beautiful alternative to cip panels on the walls.
You can also use full logs instead of square timbers. There's more math and work involved, but can be quite visibly rewarding.
Just saying, you can cover a stick frame building with all exterior insulation too, if you want to reduce thermal bridging. Also, now they have 2x6s that are a foam core between two 2x3s.
Also, I would argue that there are certain advantages to stick framing that are not discussed here. Ease of renovation/modular modification of existing construction, reduced heavy equipment needs to get the real big timbers up and in place, and some other stuff. Not to mention, you don't have the kinds of trees you need everywhere to do timber framing everywhere.
But yeah, for a places woth lotsa big trees, timber framing sure is awesome!
You are just living in the past. You can order laminated timbers everywhere, no big trees involved 😎
@@tip0019 compare costs please....bottom line in about everything
Timberframing can be done with timbers as small as 4.5x4.5" if it's a single story building. And historic methods such as wattle and daub are exponentially cheaper and easier to renovate than modern methods
@@burgeryoufoundbehindthegrill but not now
@@d.e303-anewlowcosthomebuil7 No, it's still true now, both statements. Check out Japanese traditional construction. They do it all the time. Stands up to typhoons well enough. And some of those buildings are older than the USA. Earth building is making a comeback in the West, and simply requires dirt, clay, straw, and/or dung (if you want, lol).
I’m beginning to design my home. I don’t have property yet, and I know I want to build it myself. I can’t believe how useful this was!!
How is the plan going, and how much experience do you have
I did a basic pole barn with an elevated floor, I got the experience while in Southern Africa. 32x24 three level and around 9k in materials
@@gumecindogarcia1070 That is solllid!
A few years ago I built a small timber frame house/cabin out of wood logged off the forested property using only the Jack Sobon and Roger Schroeder book as a guide. It was quite a satifying acheivement, as someone with no real construction experience to speak of.
Here in germany we have houses build with timber frames that are well over 500 years old. Or our beautiful and centuries old half timbered houses. With some maintainance they really last forever - in human time scales.
Today we build almost all our houses out of brick and concrete, some with steel framing and some still with timber framing. There are almost no stick frame buildings at all because they don't last and aren't very sound proof. You can see in american cities that many stick frame houses are just falling apart after 50 years.
The brick house of my parents was build in 1892. My great great grandparents build it. The facade never needed any substantial repairs. Only all the stucco ornaments need some touching up every 20 years or so. The roof is covered with slate shingles broken out of a mountain near our town. We still use slate shingles today. They are all natural and almost ever lasting. And aside from a few broken shingles now and then the roof never needed any substantial repairs, either. Everything still is in great shape. The inside of the house has been modernised many times, of course.
That is how you should build houses. They should be build to last 100 years without any substantial repairs.
fella inhaled too much sawdust
One of the drawbacks of timber framing
Yeah he must be doing stick builds more than he lets on
Another consideration: Timbers are much harder to set on fire than 2x4s, which go up like matchsticks and are close enough to the next 2x4 to set it on fire too. A stick built house is like a bunch of perfectly spaced kiln dried kindling just waiting to go up on smoke.
I see conspiracy theorists posting about California homes burning down where the trees around them don't all the time. These people don't understand just how hard it is to burn a live tree compared to kiln dried 2x4s. Sure, a timber would burn easier than a live tree, except that it doesn't have any branches to act as kindling. There is a reason why a fire door can be made out of wood. You can make a wood door that takes an hour for a raging fire to burn through.
Though, if fireproofing was the main priority you'd avoid wood in the first place.
@@rollerskdude Yeah, a concrete home with steel beams holding up the roof would be superior but I think a timber frame home with a metal roof would probably be sufficient to save most of the homes in california. Also preferably without plywood under the steel
Years ago, Steve Thomas of This Old House," promoted a project with timber framing. He stated that the best wood for this type of construction was old growth Douglas fir from the Pacific Northwest. That was in the "This Old Money" phase of the show. It was amazing to me that many people then were very concerned about the old growth forests and their unique ecosystems disappearing in the Northwest. Now, I think that they are using second growth (or younger) trees. There are very few mills in the Pacific Northwest that can even process the big logs.
Wow I have no idea why TH-cam recommended this video but damn that was REALLY COOL and now I want a timber framed house!!! That’s also really cool that you do classes teaching this! VERY neat!!!
Timber frame: a.k.a. "the way the Amish have done it for centuries".
Robert Ebersold they build the best log cabins.
-amish- Europeans.
@@jhart7304 thank you.
@@jhart7304 Jup, thanks!
as an european i realy dont understand wy you build wooden houses especialy within tornado/hurrican areas
harrysarso exactly
Cost. It's all I can think of but keep in mind there are very stringent codes in the places I'm familiar with.
There are large numbers of timber framed buildings here in England that have survived beautifully for many many centuries. Near my home is a medieval tithe barn dating to a little before 1300 with its original timber roof - it is in excellent condition.
What about some of the drawbacks to Timber Framing?
1. Fire resistance: Gypsum is non-combustible. Covering the framing with drywall helps reduce fire spread.
2. Upgradeability/modularity: Timber Framed structures are often much more difficult to expand. Stick framing is simpler for the DIY person to repair, add-on, etc.
3. Labor: Heavy timber is well... heavy and can be tough to frame with. A 16' long yellow pine 6x6 weighs about 140 lbs dry!
4. Building materials compatibility: Fixtures such as windows are engineered to work with stick framed structures...
We moved away from heavy timber in the mid 1800's largely due to labor and material costs. Heavy timber construction requires skilled craftsmen and significant time. If you've got a bunch of skilled carpenters, lots of money, and/OR time heavy timber is definitely still a good option!
I bought a house that is called semi monitor construction, it is where the roofs do not come together at the ridge but one roof is several feet lower than the other side and there are clerestory windows all across one side of the house between the lower plane of the roof and the upper, otherwise it is s timber framing with open beams and the ceiling is 20 feet to the highest point, in living/dining room, master suite, and garage. The man that built it in 1991 was an architect and lead engineer at a nuclear power plant. Where the beams meet they form a triangle that is reinforced with steel gusset plates and 24 one inch diameter carriage bolts, a gusset on each side bolted to the wood. The roof is noisy sometimes but it is when the night ends and the sun heats the roof, then again at night or storms move in and cool the roof. It really is not for everyone but I think it is a spectacular house. It is 2,445 sq ft under air and 3,550 under roof. Has a very nice lanai out by the pool and 4 pocket sliders so you can open the whole living room to the lanai. One end of the living room is built in shelves, then 19 foot tall window on one side of the massive fireplace and a tall narrow window on the other side as well. I have never been able to find a video at TH-cam showing this type of construction, the beams are enormous, 4X10 and some are over 30 feet long. I do not understand how the roof system is supposed to work though as there is no insulation up there. There is over the other bedrooms and hall, but the roofing system was built apparently to allow cooler air to be drawn in at the low end and vents out at the top. Being Florida heat you might think is not that much of an issue but it does get cold here for at least brief periods. In fact last Christmas I had a broken water pipe. Those clerestory windows have cranks and open outwards, this is apparently to vent heat out and down below at ground level is supposed to stay cool. There are 142 panes of glass. My AC bill though does run about $300 monthly in summer which is long. If anyone has ever come across such a video about this kind of construction I would like to hear about it. The man who built it knew what he was doing, I had the chimney inspected to see if it was safe and needed cleaning. The chimneysweep said that the fireplace is one of the best he has ever seen, and the firebox is the Cadillac of fireboxes. However, the gutters out by the pool were inadequate size and drainage so the massive 4X10 36 feet of it rotted and had to be replaced, hell of a job that but I found a semi retired carpenter and his buddy and the three of us got the job done in 3 days.
You think his throat is clear enough? I'm gonna hear him clearing his throat in my sleep cause I heard it so many times.
Yes lol reminds me of my wifes grandpa
You too will clear your throat with age.. I used to make fun of adults that groaned every time they squat or kneeled over.. Now I sound just like them 🤣
LMAO THISSSSSSSSS
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I have absolutely no idea why this was in my recommended, but I’m completely interested 😂
That is a riot!! the algorithms of TH-cam . . . . if you really are interested, check out online timber framing course onlinecourses.shelterinstitute.com/courses/purely-post-beam-online-course
There is a free trial that might be fun to watch!
What happened to using full bricks. Instead of plywood and paper (drywall). I want my house to be build from concrete and steel. Slightly expensive but it will survive.
The best decision!
I have done a number of timber frames and stick frames too. There is nothing more satisfying then making nice timber joints! I am building my own house now and I will frame it with 2x4's and trusses. It will be much faster and use much less wood. I am cutting my own trees and getting them milled up. The thing that he did not mention is that SIP's are also full of wood too and they make the timber framed home double framed in essence. The framed house in contrast is only framed once.
When I frame my house I will sheet the outside with 3" of styrofoam, then strap it and do board and batten on top. It will be strong, natural looking and well insulated. I do plan to do some round log timber framing to add that big wood beauty to my front entryway and livingroom. Timbers are certainly beautiful!
after seeing this video, I now know that I'm very passionate about the excellence of timber framed buildings. Thank you. I would love to be a student.
Thank you TH-cam recommended and happy Christmas
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5:41 MAFELL saw ! the one and only !
"Changed to stick framing for reasons that had nothing to do with the building itself."
Thanks a lot Steinberg.
I just found this video this company. I am in love with this channel. I can't stop watching!! & Listening. All day at work to if I Kept my phone paired to my milwaukee speaker just blaring across the shop. I love these homes so much!!! I ask my significant other!! If we could please change our home build to this. We just got started on developing the land. Thank goodness I found this. 🙌
Absolute beauty WE love this. So....I am excited to say. Timber frame here we come.
it's good to see people still promoting timber frame. it's an art form.
That would be so fun to take a class!
I really liked the info given in this video
Legend has it he is still clearing his throat
20 years in Florida as a carpenter. I have helped build both frames.
The quality of build is the most important part.
Both frames can withstand a hurricane. As long as you use a good contractor. I have rode out two hurricanes. Opel and Aron. I traveled rebuilding afterwards to. After Andrew I was in Miami for year.
I have seen streets where you could spot good construction practices for corner cutters easily. The well built homes were still standing. Building codes are there for a reason.
Great Video! Very useful general information *Clears Throat*
Great points about the heat loss and the tremendous amount of material used in a stick home. Does a timber frame meet California specs for earthquakes? Seems like the unions and economic factors didn't put energy and the consumer's pocketbook first: e.g., the amount of foam insulation, the "perfect wall" with radiant barrier all seem to have come out of the need to deal with inefficiencies from the stick home approach.
"Gypsum Palace" LOL! Yes, most homes I've ever set foot into are painted gypsum palaces. Most post and beam homes I've seen are very open floor plans that give you a sense of free space and comfort. I've seen some very beautiful wood finishes on them. Plus, you can make timber frame styles out of square steel tubing for a super steampunk appearance, like a pavilion, but with monster windows to enclose it. Exposed water heaters, clearcoated copper plumbing, Stainless countertops. Stairs outside so you can get on the roof.
This is biased towards TF and often untrue. Not comparing apples to apples. TF is beautiful but the main reasons stick frame remains more popular is cost, flexibility, needs minimal skills and its familiarity. True that wood is not as good an insulation but easily remedied with insulated sheathing and/or staggered studs at very little extra. SIPS is a good system but you don't even need TF if you have it. The TF is essentially for the look. With standard framing, services such as electrical and plumbing are so much simpler, cheaper and easy to modify in future. Ps if you use timber off your lot, be prepared to get it graded by a professional as they won't accept it. Also be prepared to pay a lot more for engineering.
@@user-rg5hz5tm8c the current stick framing is called platform framing and is a relatively recent (30s or 40s) system. The focus on energy efficiency is really only since the late 70s when the cost of energy went up. Both systems were poor, TF was used mostly for barns in the colder areas which didn't matter and stick frame had no consideration for air tightness. This kept wood in good shape until they became (carelessly) lined with poly on the inside and then sealed with plywood outside instead of shiplap. This tended to trap condensation. The air tightness is important but consequently needs air exchange which is controlled and the exterior needs to breathe. Foam does get around the condensation issue and is great insulation for the depth, but is expensive and there is concern about off gassing with some types and insects seem to love it as it is easy to dig thru. Glass wools have their own problems of course too. TF for homes is more recent and, as I recall, came from people renovating barns into houses. Very cool but hardly cost effective. They did get exposure in the glossy architectural mags of the 60s tho which made it seem even cooler in a retro/hip nouveau sort of way . They really struggled with energy codes tho and added stick framing between frames for a while and so the Sips is a great solution. Just not all that economical.
Also, if insulation is your primary concern in building a new home you're going to go with a double-wall system anyway.
@user name taken this is true too
The Big bad Wolf loves stick built garbage. Back in Cornwall UK, the youngest house we lived in was over 200 years old, the oldest over 500. Now in Tasmania, our new house, stick built is already half chewed by mice. Gonna sell it before it falls down. Bought a doer upper from 1950, hardwood roof trusses 10ft apart, tried to drill holes to mount a home cinema projector, broke half a dozen drill bits and several hex bolts. When all the stick built softwood, crap houses around here all blow away in that hundred year storm. This massive, enormously heavy, beast of a building will still stand. As for heavy, English Oak dwellings, a thousand year life expectancy is standard. There is no greater qualities than craftsmanship and durability. Pine stick houses are disposable like everything else today.
@user name taken those who build with there own trees, on their own land, usually build themselves. THEY never hurry, but plan for years, then take quite a while to achieve their goal. Instant gratification does not lead to long term fulfillment.
Need more of this in the world
Thank you, Pat Hennin & Shelter Institute 🕊 great info, cool models
Thank you!! Stay tuned, we have a few more videos coming out in the next month.
In German this kind of craftsmanship is called "Zimmerei". Come here and study it for 3 years and after that you can study "Zimmermanmeister" and master It.
You will get it for free, more than that you will earn some money, learn some new language and you will have some long holidays.
This is an ad to sell timber framing course.
An ad but contains useful information and something you can close at any minute vs some annoying sign on the street
true but it was more information than ad and the information was useful and relevant.. win/win
Could you imagine paying for something like this? I can't wrap my head around it. Anyone wanting to build a timber frame house is willing to put in the work. And if you are willing to do the labor, why in the world are you paying to learn? Just go work for free on a jobsite.. so absurd. Natural building schools do this too. Who falls for this crap?
@@nullobject5943 well you are appropriately named ill give you that
Wouldn't timber framing be traditional and stick framing contemporary?
Yes. Traditional = mortis and tenon joints etc with large timbers. Stick framing = modern timber framing with smaller but more timbers held together using nail guns. Much quicker, much cheaper. Often timber 'kits' are produced in factories these days on almost autonomous systems. Smaller timber sizes are cheaper because you can get more from smaller trees. Traditional framing is cool though, I have a lot of respect for the craftsmanship involved.
@@scottm4193 yeah, I have a 100 acre property in Wyoming (won't say where exactly) that I bought in '09. I've finally saved the resources to build my family retreat and was doing some costing. Land was cheap because its 3 miles in by dirt road from the main road. Pretty clean but could be better. A friend of mine who bought a property a few miles away made his home from a reclaimed barn in Kentucky. It's a fairly large house (500sqyd footprint) but cost way more than I can afford. He spent nearly $200k just finding, assessing, purchasing then transporting the timbers. He had us over for the raising and he told me it was cheaper to do it with timbers. It was pretty obvious why buy I didn't want to cut down any of the larger trees on my property. I have a basically unlimited source of new growth 2"x4" boards which I can get from a construction scrap yard for free. Gonna experiment trying to make my own glulam timbers and sips. I already found a great tutorial on making fireproof insulating concrete. If you have any ideas I can use I'm all ears. I'd like to build as large a home as I can with the money I have.
@@varun009Sounds fantastic, best of luck on the project. I work as an energy and construction consultant in Scotland so things are probably slightly different here in terms of codes etc. The standard timber kits here (in mm you'll need to convert to inches) are - timber wall studs 140mm x 38mm fully filled with mineral/glass wool insulation with 25mm rigid PIR insulation on inside face. Timber walls are usually finished with a brick outer leaf or render on blockwork. You can timber clad the kit panels but they don't perform as well in terms of energy efficiency as you have more ventilation in the cavity. Floor build up is usually a suspended concrete slab with 100 - 200mm PIR insulation below the slab. Roof is usually always a pitched 'cold' roof with approx 350mm mineral/glass wool between and over the ceiling joists. This is how 90% of new build homes in Scotland are made these days but our energy efficiency codes might be stricter or not as much where you're from. Cheap but energy efficient and warm in winter. Generally speaking using smaller timbers will save you more money. But you'll need more in terms of numbers to meet engineering structural requirements. My recommendation is to do as much research and watch as many videos as you can and things will start to come together in your head.
@@scottm4193 thanks for the reply. Research is basically all I'm doing right now. Recent financial gains have afforded me that luxury, but, unfortunately, little else. Our codes aren't strict in that they're not elaborate. This state happens to set energy efficiency regulations but is very lax on how you get to that point as long as your project is in compliance with other building codes (certain distance from trees and all that). Given how cold it gets here, market forces, more so than government regulations, dictate the extent to which one insulates and otherwise weatherproofs their home. I have an idea of what the footprint may be. I'm looking at about 1,200 sqyds built in three modules multi story. I live not to far from a mountain range so I'll be getting higher pitched roofs whose cost to the home's overall versatility should be sufficiently offset by the addition of a second-storey (first storey I on your side of the Atlantic) deck wrapping around and connecting the house. Thanks very much for the input. I'm very excited to get started but I have a long way to go before pouring the foundation. Thanks for the feedback!
@@scottm4193 Any modern prefab builder uses timber framing and not stick framing, its simply inefficient. Sure, they divide the walls which makes it slightly less efficient but still use timber-framing. The stick framing seems to me like something American. Instead of using battens they use 4 by 2 to do the same.
The old house where I live has a very rustic old garage that was made that way. When we were remodeling the rotting walls, I was wondering why the roof support seemed "wrong" and was made that way, so different to modern techniques. Yet it was still standing like nothing. But we had to be careful during the wall changes because taking the walls apart would have jeopardize the whole roof support. Now the garage has modern wall support methods holding an old-style roof on top.
I was working as a timber framer for a while, favorite job so far.
advantages of stickframing:
1. largely unskilled - almost any fool off the street can use a skilsaw and a hammer, cordless drill and screws, and nailplates.
2. readily adapted on-site. see #1 and #5
3. low cost per structural element. see #1 and understand the reason for >10% wastage rolled into mat'l estimates.
4. low weight per structural element, easier for the unskilled and the small-crew (home improvement) to manhandle.
5. planning and execution are more tolerant of slop, error, and revision - shims, shoring, and cladding hide the deviations from the eventual owners... for a while. see #1
6. fits better with planned obsolescence model of property and economics.
timberframing requires meticulous prefabrication and perfect site-prep - you actually have to have surveying, foundation, and carpentry chops to pull it off.
if you have the skills and the tools and the necessary meticulousness and want to build something that will last, timberframing (including use of engineered/glulam elements) becomes appealing.
Those "fools" built the vast majority of homes in the America over the last century, many of them very skilled carpenters working in an environment shaped by the current industry and the economy. What a pretentious post.
@@DWhite-el4ih - out of curiosity, how many years have you worked in woodframe construction and renovation for your living? Me? Only three years. Followed by decades of watching others build, getting certified in architectural drafting, and still doing the occasional construction and renovation - often involving unfucking what fools calling themselves professionals have done in the past.
how many drunks and junkies have you seen among the crews you have observed? How many who can't read a print, think they are a carpenter, can't add a simple sum, will tell you that a power tool is -I shit you not- "haunted"?
"pretentious"? mmm'kay.
I'll note in passing that you haven't actually countered any of the points I made.
be well.
pray, be silent.
@Loc T - I will absolutely trust structural-sheathing gusset plates more than I will toed-in butted joints or pressed nailplates
@@gordonpromish9218 You're that annoying guy no one wants to talk to at parties because they know you will likely attempt to tell them how to do just about everything in life aren't you? I know people like you. You're all the same. It's sad really. How many contractors, craftsman, carpenters, etc. do you think have said the same thing you have about "unfucking" what fools have done. Do you think you're special? Nice vocabulary by the way.
You're not the first person, nor will you be the last, to criticize the work of others because you feel they are beneath you because they don't appear to be as intelligent or may not have a post high school education. Have fun complaining to your friends and clients.
I would say be silent but it's clear you're not one to keep your mouth shut for very long.
@@DWhite-el4ih - nah, you can have the last word. go ahead. knock yourself out.
3:44 "First we cover the whole building with fire coated drywall." Question: What exactly do we attach sad drywall to?
the web unravels...
They are the cathedrals of home design. Absolutely beautiful structures. Timeless and everlasting.
Very nice presentation. I'll have to look into your institute.
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@@ShelterInstitute I went to your link. I'M IMPRESSED! You have certainly given me ideas. I'm glad I happened on to this video! And thanks for that "demo" link. Definitely looking forward to viewing that!
I didn't take the time to read many comments at all, so please forgive me if my comment beats a dead horse.
I've been a woodworking guy and have had a fair amount of exposure to timber framing during my lifetime. LOVE the process and the result!
When I went to look at building my current home, I was quite surprised the cost of TF versus conventional stick building appeared to be much higher.
This gentleman didn't do any kind of quantitative cost analysis. Wondering if this cost difference is still a big consideration as it was 20+ years ago when I built.
If you put wood panels on the interior roof, you also get a nice warm sounding room and get the added visual appeal as well. I love exposed wood!