you guys are popular because you treat your audiences like adults. You share knowledge on the basis that you think it's worth sharing. People are starved of knowledge in traditional media. You remind us there is richness to life.
One big reason (of many big reasons) why Rick’s interviews are so good is the simple fact that the guests being interviewed have legitimate RESPECT for the interviewer. They can relate to Rick as “one of them”, so they are much more likely to open up. I agree with what other people have said… there should be a TH-cam award for Rick’s interviewing successes.
I love this pair. Rick is a great interviewer, in part because he is so knowledgeable, but mainly because he can keep his train of thought while actually listening (is this perhaps a jazz musician thing?). Adam is such a nerd in the best of ways, and has an intense and humble intelligence that allows him to make incredibly insightful connections and talk about anything from a musical point of view. They are cultural treasures and much more than "youtubers" (they will outlast the platform).
@@guitarreilly I think the point was, these guys are important figures beyond the platform, unlike creators who achieved notoriety by getting good at youtube (learning to work the algo, learning to produce video that works for the format, following [or setting] trends): No, these guys have gifts to bring that don't depend on the youtube platform. it may be how they reach their audience, but if it were taken away today, they'd still have important things to say.
This interview has a direct music lesson for musicians of all sizes that has nothung to do with "AABA". Rick and Adam are creating the "music" out of thin air. They had no real structure or form, they just decided to wing it. This interview is so phenominal because they both listen to the other, they give each other space to feel it (talk), they support the other's "music" l, they sense when the "tune" is changing and go with it, and they are simply having fun. Having been a working musician since the 80's, I can promise you even experienced musicians can learn this lesson.
It was known by composers because it was good for learning music theory, but it was considered old fashioned and wasn't performed. Mendelssohn did see the musical value in it and presented it to audiences.
Vivaldi might be the better example. Very popular in his lifetime, faded into obscurity soon after his death, no children to promote his legacy, basically forgotten for two centuries, then revived about a century ago by Fritz Kreisler and has become one of the most recognizable composers in the mass culture ever since.
@@digitaljanusGustav Mahler is another more recent example. His music fell off the radar for about 50 years after he died until Leonard Bernstein’s recordings reintroduced him to a new generation in the 1960s. Now his symphonies are among the most frequently played in the world. It’s notable too that in all three of these cases - Bach, Vivaldi, and Mahler - it wasn’t teachers, critics, or scholars who inspired their rehabilitations. It was other musicians who had a genuine passion for their works and used that passion to inspire other people to give those composers another listen.
Great conversation, they should do this more of them. Rick's mentioning that Keith Jarrett had wished he had recorded with Wayne Shorter really got me thinking what an awesome collaboration that would have been.
this sort of ‘fly on the wall’ insight into a conversation like this between two musical doyens, makes me so grateful for this platform. thank you Rick and Adam - love both of your channels. cheers
Not only are classical music composers taught in school but their music is used so ubiquitously in movies, TV, commercials, etc. Even if people don't know all of their names, I'm sure most still know the melodies.
I'm studying classical cello, and I did check out the Keith Jarrett interview. I've been watching yours and Adam's videos for years as a jazz outsider, and I keep coming back because I know there's something beautiful about it. That interview with Keith Jarrett was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. I'd never heard of him before and I still don't comprehend much of what it's like to be a jazz musician, but I could feel his humanity through his playing. That was something. So thank you for doing what you do, educating, sharing history and theory, and documenting a bit of the lives of some amazing people.
I loved this conversation! You guys are so well spoken and ask each other really poignant questions. This 80-year concept is fascinating to me because I've spent time thinking about what it means to be in the public consciousness and why some artists are remembered more deeply than others. I agree with Adam that education plays a large role - the aural and oral traditions keeping individuals alive - as well as the simple fact that other artists enjoy performing and doing renditions of what we call jazz standards. When something is good, it's undeniable, and you want to replicate it or put your own spin on it. Please keep doing these interesting discussions!
It's so refreshing hearing two people speaking with well thought out arguments going back and forth, compared to so much BS these days. Which are mostly just dumping poorly understood offensive statements.
Both of you are perfect well-spoken, intelligent and reasonable show hosts and at the same time good musicians. Before TH-cam we were not really exposed to people showing both qualities. It is a joy to learn about music, history, musicians, music theory, music interpretation, musical experimentation and society by a good presenter. If both your videos were half as good then still they would be better than 98% of the internet. So I hope you don't feel too much pressure and continue making enjoyable and educational videos.
I actually talked about a similar discussion in my PhD dissertation. Events (and in your conversation artists) have a lifespan that has changed because of technological advances. Our traditions of sheet music and or oral/aural musical traditions shifted with the advent of recorded technology. I talked about how Blues music was a perfect example because it was primarily aural/oral and was passed down that way, but with recorded technology it changed our conception of what a musical event meant. Really great convo!
Artists like The Bee Gees died 4 times during their long career but grew stronger after every death. Yet a TH-cam producer only ever gets one short stab at popularity, there is rarely ever another time of mass popularity. So much of the online environment is fleeting, short stabs of being popular, whatever popular is. I should have quit 6 years ago when I was ahead of the curve. Hanging on has done some very serious damage to my health
"I'm not going to say his name, but Rhett....." I literally laughed out loud 😂😂😂 this was an extremely insightful interview. I continue to glean so much from Rick's channel
Great point from Adam about the quality of the recording. I think what one might also take into the consideration is that many modern musicians have a history with indie music, which also tends to have lower quality performance and mixes.
I live in Europe. Bach, Beethoven, and a host of other European composers are still very much a part of popular culture here. I listen to classical music every day on the radio and concerts happen regularly everywhere. It seems to be deeply woven into the fabric of the society.
…thinking about triads vs fourths… I can’t say I ever thought that exactly. But starting today, I will be! Thanks Rick and Adam! What you do Rick is NOT intuitive, it’s a gift and thank you for sharing it!
Love this Interview! Can we get an Anthony Jackson interview please? He has played on so many amazing records! Chaka Khan’s Naughty, his invention of the 6 string and early adoption of the round wound bass string, Michel Camilo, Michel petrucciani, Hiromi, Steely Dan… etc etc etc.
Adam - "What the hell was that video about?" I'm not sure either, but the knowledge, interaction, and respect you have for each other make this so comfortable to watch. I'm glad you two do what you do. It's entertaining. I feel enlightened, but unsure of what I do with this information.
Hi Rick, in regards to your 'Why Do We Stop Listening to Our Favorite Artists?', I think you could call it 'Aging out', not that the band becomes less relevant but that the person listening to a favorite bands tastes change and expand and focus changes and they move on.
I believe many very famous musicians have been non conformist school dropouts and hence they were autodidacts and learnt in a unique way and stood out as being unique artists.
Hey Rick, I love your channel. I am a blind guitar player, I love the things that you were doing on your channel. I love the interviews, it’s just awesome thank you for doing what you’re doing. Sending many blessings and best wishes from the blind guy. Peace. 19:32
Most modern TH-camrs have a PHD in Google and Wikipedia. But when someone truly UNDERSTANDS AND APPRECIATES their subject matter, they have the tools required to COMMUNICATE it effectively and enjoyably. (Communication is its own skill, but without those other two fundamental elements, it's infotainment.)
You are totally on point. My chemistry professor, when I was working on my Masters in education, once told me that most can get a degree in education, but only a small percentage are good teachers. They have the "it" factor.
Honestly, Rick, I found out about you through Mary Spender and Adam. But I've stayed because you are an awesome person and I love how your videos are young meets old.
Similar to memes, crossword puzzles a way that certain words are retained in popular consciousness (maybe not as popular nowadays) past the time they would naturally disappear. There's a meta-value, based on the pattern of letters, that exists apart from the inherent meaning, that is advantaged in crossword grids and is retained.
Just watched your 2022 chat. Will save this for later because I have to send some videos to my son to aid in recovery. But really like you both and watch many of your videos. Always entertaining, always instructive. And I am a non-musician, but I can learn from you a lot about what I cannot do or play.
Great art has a timeless quality. If you listen to it, it still sounds like it could have been made today. Example most of George Carlin's routines are not dependent on knowledge of current events. Where as all of Bob Hope's routines were.
I grew up seeing Hope on TV in his specials, which were ok but, to me, never hilarious. But I knew that when Woody Allen was a kid, he'd been a big fan of Hope from his movies in the 1940s, and those were actually laugh-out-loud funny.
Great Video! Two great tastes that taste great together! You are two of my favorite music instructors and I have learned so much from both of you. Your song analysis videos are oh so useful and informative. Because of you both, I understand chords and the way that they function such to be useful in my own compositions. It is great to see you both in the same video working together. A nice way to start my morning. 🙂
I’m 63 and grew up watching old Bob Hope films here in the UK, particularly the Road Movies with Bing Crosby. The Lemon Drop Kid, The Cat and the Canary, and Son of Paleface with Jane Russel is a classic too. He became a bit of an anachronism later on, but at his peak he was a genuinely funny guy. Buttons and Bows 🙂
Love your interviews! You think you're ever going to get PETER GABRIEL on!? Would love to hear some of the breakdowns and how he puts his tracks together. I've always been mesmerized by how he can make odd time sigs and unusual melodies part of the public conscious!
This is the equivalent of Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt talking NASCAR, Joe Montana and Joe Namath talking football, LeBron James and Michael Jordan talking basketball and Gordon Ramsay Emeril Lagassé talking food (I was tempted to list like a hundred more, but you get my point) The best, most accomplished and knowledgeable names in their respective fields. This is magic!
I know that I now enjoy lots of music that I didn't like when I was younger, mainly because it's sounds better than it did back when I was listening thru bad equipment in my youth. I really enjoy Adam's videos with Mary Spender.
So many insightful comments in here which I feel is a reflection of the conversation. Which, off the cuff, is more listenable than most preconceived videos/convos because the Quality of the two speaking is high. Their Quality in their life and effort to learn shines through to us and it inspires me. Should get off TH-cam and play guitar but not til this convo is over.
As a TH-camr that contemplated quitting a few times, seeing you talk about enjoying that type of videos is kind of hilarious. I won't give you the satisfaction! You won't see a quitting video from me 🤣
The saving grace is that an artist is also born twice, the second time occurring when they commit to their art. A person whose life is sweeping the street or working a cash register doesn't have that opportunity, unless they are also an artist or a lover.
Regarding the "crappy quality" of recording technology before the 50s, younger people probably don't mind it as much because low-fidelity music is practically a genre now.
Guilliame de Machaut, no sh!t! When David Munrow and his Early Music Consort of London released the Grammy Award winning album "The Art Of Courtly Love" in 1973 (1977 Grammy for best Chamber Music performance) this incredible 3 LP vinyl boxed set introduced music from Medieval and Renaissance composers such as Guilliame de Machaut, who wrote compositions of such beauty and complex simplicity as to turn my own musical journey upside down. Instead of seeking Teles and Les Pauls, I was collecting krummhorns and rauschpfeiffen, bagpipes and harpsichords. Of course I was still making my living playing bass in a rock band, but there were bizarre fusion/prog bands back then like Gentle Giant and Gryphon that were bravely mixing it all up, Medieval thru Hard Rock. Anyway, just glad to hear Machaut's name being mentioned, I guess he's not dead yet either... ;)
This entire concept breaks my heart. So many greats that will be forgotten…And then there’s the greats that were never known… Bob Hope was perhaps the funniest and most witty to ever do it!! Great topic guys. PS. I think certain bands will be reborn and studied for hundred of years, again and again… #Queen #TheBeatles
Our time will pass. People will find, create, appreciate and fall in love with their own great artforms, and keep only whatever from our time still speaks to them.
Still waiting for you to do a show about JD Beck and Domi. My kids love them. You're always talking about pop music being boring but these guys are pop and can actually make a difference in today's music
I have the same view that DOMi and JD Beck are a bridge between jazz and pop so will be a great positive influence on pop. Similarly, The Consouls take the nostalgia of vgm and turn it into great jazz which engages a younger audience. I think the pendulum is swinging back towards interesting music again!
Innovators, or at least very original figures, those who stand up over the others of their respective eras because they had success while doing it differently from anybody else: these usually get to be remembered a lot more then equally or even more successful figures of their period. Talking about Bob Hope, for example, as an almost 50 years old Italian man I never heard about him beside his bare name ringing vaguely familiar to me. But I've heard, and consumed quite a bit of, the Marx Brothers' work, and Groucho's in particular. I've watched their movies, I've seen some of their television appearances, and I've also read some of their written work. And as old as their work is, as old and culturally far as it's always been for me, I've still enjoyed it a lot. I still read or watch some of their work once in awhile to this day, indeed. Because what they did feels original, fun, unique, and, especially, relevant today. Thanks for your videos!
Too short this interview! A friend of mine said something about how he sees Adam Neely, he said he sees Adam talking about music the same way he watched Carl Sagan talking about the nature. I never thought about that, but I think it makes sense. Love these guys.
a-a-b-a is a natural law of rethoric dramaturgy that has already been discovered and formalized as early as the ancient Greeks. In Heinrich Lausberg's famous bible of Latin rhethoric, the "repetitio" follows a clear a-a-a' or a-a-b pattern (e.g. " I worked, and worked, and worked even harder") which in itsself again almost is congruent with the logical rule that you need to repeat anything at least once to establish it as a repetition. Since, in this sense, the third repetition is already redundant to the information "this is a repetition" (and therefore mechanical and boring for a quick mind), you can use it for emphasis. The "a" at the end is ruled by the dialectic rethoric order of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The two rules combined create a-a-b-a'. If I speak of rethoric in this context, I consider it not only as the school of "ars bene dicendi" but more generally as the experience-based observation of the laws of human creation (music, architecture, painting, sculpting aso.).
Good guitarist, but a deep state war hawk. I'm normally a "separate the artist and the art" guy but Skunk is a defense industry consultant (ie: advising on how to make weapons of war more lethal). He also wrote for Jane's Defense for years. He's deeper in that world than he ever was in music.
@@peachmelba1000 I think he has a lot to offer musically as well. I recently watched his American guitar technique videos and he seems like he has a lot of musical history under his belt, and in one of videos he says jazz improvisation and the like improves non linear thinking, hence his interests in other fields with the same principles applied to them. He often refers to himself as being just a "hippie guitarist". He seems like a genuinely good guy with a lot of music experience and it's influence in other domains as well. I'd sure love to see him being interviewed by Rick Beato
Hey Rick, I recently have watched your videos about Yuja Wang and Martha Argerich. As I'm mainly from the classical world as a performer, I really appreciate that and I come with a name: Adam Fulara. This is a guitarist who made couple of videos and then dipped. He made some crazy hard arrangements for TWO handed tapping where he replicates piano pieces!!! Do check him out. You'll pass out when you see it.
Interesting discussion and example about Bob Hope. I was discussing Bob Hope with a family member, we are 40 & 43, after this video and realized we were talking about Bob Newhart. It took me a minute to remember who Bob Hope was. I only know as much about him as Adam mentioned. My 17 year old niece has no idea who any of the artists from the 90s up to around 2005 are. You mention Green Day, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden and she stares blankly. Play their songs for her and she just tunes out and says it's old people music. She only knows of Nirvana by name because of Kurt, but nothing about their music. She is only interested in hip hop hooks that she will sing all day.
Two members of my TH-cam All Stars Jazz Band. Would love to see Beato and Neely along with Aimee Nolte and George Fludas team up for a few tunes for us to enjoy!
Great conversation! What Bach, Beethoven, Parker and Miles mostly have in common is, that if you love the music, you are able to learn certain parts by heart and sing or hum along with them. Like ear training works. In some way, they’re like quality pop music. And I personally think that’s not the case -for most people- with the genius music of Keith Jarrett or say some great more modern classical composers, or later Coltrane records. Being capable of reading music or not: people live by ear first and foremost, I think. It’s just biology. They want to hum/sing/play along: be part of the piece of music inside. I myself played in a Zappa’s coverband for a few years. I can’t read music. But, I could sing/hum al the bass parts, because they were fairly ‘easy’ to learn by heart, because they’re just melodies you can learn. I put in the hours and played them. It just took me 1000 times longer than a bassist that can actually read, 😂. 🖖
Great show Rick, Bob Hope was a Brit I went to his theatre that he paid for in a south London suburb called Eltham, I saw Carmen it was fantastic, the theatre is tiny but charming. Love the show . PEACE and LOVE to EVERYONE.
A Rick Beato and Jacob Collier interview needs to happen ASAP man….I am already picturing them breaking down “Moon River” and all that amazing harmonic content….
I don't know if it's only on my side, but front camera that films both of you is blurry. Btw. really cool that you two sit down and talk. Adam is phenomenal and his channel is great.
My aunt was a music teacher at “Teachers College” at Columbia back in the day and I’d receive albums of classical music for Christmas or my birthdays. These albums were recordings of people like Bach, Beethoven etc. Their music have been perpetuated throughout time and for this reason we still recognize them. I don’t think Bob Hope will be remembered as much hundreds of years from now. I could go on regarding the Beatles or Miles but I’ll spare everyone.
Few years ago I was sitting having lunch in a cafe on Portobello Rd London with a mate of mine. Turned to look at someone coming in and it was Robert Plant no less. I’m 54 now and my mates similar age and we were both huge Zep fans and it wasn’t long after the o2 show which I was lucky to be at. Not only were we totally in awe but completely gobsmacked when he ordered a latte to go and sat at our table when he was waiting ! Both of us couldn’t believe it and were reduced to a couple of gibbering idiots. But what was surprising ,was that after he left a few people asked us who he was ...one of the most iconic rockstars of all time and here were people in their 20s who didn’t have a clue who he was.
Young people know some of the older songs because these songs stand the test of time. They were well crafted and mean something. Every time I listen to a song like Comfortably Numb, it still gets me in the feels. The trash that makes up the Spotify top 10/50/100 is all going to be forgotten once these kids grow up. No one will be listening to this stuff a few years from now, let alone 50 years from now.
I think part of why some artists last longer is that they either change the game (in a popular way) and/or they significantly transcend "their" audience and get to a much larger audience. Which also means they have to be widely popular in their time.
I just watched Adam's analysis of Wayne Shorter's music. It is free of cliches and is original, and most importantly, he explains why Shorter's music is so incredible.
what a great episode. I would love if you did more jazz content. The Metheny interview of course was EPIC. Lots of great cats out there. Moreno, Hekselman, Criss Potter etc etc.....
Fascinating. I follow both of you. So you are the people that inform me. - who on earth is Richard Prior or George Carlin? - I am a very late starter on piano and was buried in theory that I love. I do wish I had read Rick;s book before I worked out that FACE is the same chord (plus quality) regardless of scale now I eat and sleep intervals. However after chasing anything on 6 Dim Scale I heard Pat Metheney say to Barry Harris "Beside Bach we all suck". I went to Bach's Prelude in C major and found more basic Jazz theory in 35 bars than one can imagine. Voicing, Cadence, Progressions, Improvisation plus plus plus . Quite honestly piano Classics courses need to START at this level no ploughing through endless sharp scales with no care for harmony or the import of broken chords and arpeggios.Also the importance of ear training was totally lost on me until I realise that 40,000 years ago people in caves were making flutes that play the same when played by flautists today. At 81 I am never going to be an Oscar Peterson but I can aim to improvise a 12 bar blues.
Rick is winning the TH-cam music teachers game by miles above some of my favorite music teachers on the platform! I bought the Beato ultimate bundle a few weeks ago Rick! Thinking of becoming a member of the Beato Club as well! Thank you for all that you do! So glad with the interviews and guests you’ve had on recently.
Two quick comments: 1. In my university music program AABA was taught to me as a compositional form starting in the 1500’s if not earlier. Innovation (and improvement) of the form evolved from Bach, and Mozart through to Beethoven and others, and we were taught that the argument as to why composers from this era are still remembered is directly related to the depth and complexity of the compositional evolution they were part of. 2. As a music composition undergrad, hands down the most important course I ever took in university was a 3rd year class called Film Editing Theory. Being informed by more universal concepts of good composition and artistic expression has done more for my understanding of my particular craft than any specific music theory itself.
I don’t know of many (any?) interviewers who can rival Rick’s 1) knowledge, 2) enthusiasm, and 3) ability to communicate. Rare to get all three in the same person! He is like a much less formal Leonard Bernstein, but with a focus on rock/jazz/pop
Fun discussion by two of my favorite TH-camrs. Regarding the title you decided on: “Many African societies divide humans into three categories: those still alive on the earth, the sasha, and the zamani. The recently departed whose time on earth overlapped with people still here are the sasha, the living-dead. They are not wholly dead, for they still live in the memories of the living, who can call them to mind, create their likeness in art, and bring them to life in anecdote. When the last person to know an ancestor dies, that ancestor leaves the sasha for the zamani, the dead. As generalised ancestors, the zamani are not forgotten but revered. Many … can be recalled by name. But they are not the living-dead. There is a difference.” ― James W Loewen, Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong I came across the quote in "The Brief History of the Dead" by Kevin Brockmeier, a good exploration of the idea that we have two deaths, the first physical and the second when we pass from memory among the living.
you guys are popular because you treat your audiences like adults. You share knowledge on the basis that you think it's worth sharing. People are starved of knowledge in traditional media. You remind us there is richness to life.
"Composers never die they just decompose" - George Canseco a legendary Filipino composer.
"They're decomposing composers. There's nothing much anyone can do. You can still hear Beethoven, but Beethoven cannot hear you." -- Monty Python
Putang ina moments pilipino pride
@@carlfishy w hat video? I know the, ' Why Michaelangelo Did Not Paint The Last Supper.'
@@johncook2748 it's a song from an album called "Monty Python Sings"
a legendary Filipino decomposer*
One big reason (of many big reasons) why Rick’s interviews are so good is the simple fact that the guests being interviewed have legitimate RESPECT for the interviewer. They can relate to Rick as “one of them”, so they are much more likely to open up. I agree with what other people have said… there should be a TH-cam award for Rick’s interviewing successes.
Adam Neely's video on "Garota de Ipanema" featuring Martina DaSilva is one of the best I have ever seen.
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Great indeed
I love this pair. Rick is a great interviewer, in part because he is so knowledgeable, but mainly because he can keep his train of thought while actually listening (is this perhaps a jazz musician thing?). Adam is such a nerd in the best of ways, and has an intense and humble intelligence that allows him to make incredibly insightful connections and talk about anything from a musical point of view. They are cultural treasures and much more than "youtubers" (they will outlast the platform).
Outlast youtube? Mate youtube will be around long after you, me and everyone else are gone
@@guitarreilly I think the point was, these guys are important figures beyond the platform, unlike creators who achieved notoriety by getting good at youtube (learning to work the algo, learning to produce video that works for the format, following [or setting] trends): No, these guys have gifts to bring that don't depend on the youtube platform. it may be how they reach their audience, but if it were taken away today, they'd still have important things to say.
@@guitarreilly Alot of people will outlast youtube once the lights go out.
@@guitarreilly lol you think? No chance
This interview has a direct music lesson for musicians of all sizes that has nothung to do with "AABA".
Rick and Adam are creating the "music" out of thin air. They had no real structure or form, they just decided to wing it.
This interview is so phenominal because they both listen to the other, they give each other space to feel it (talk), they support the other's "music" l, they sense when the "tune" is changing and go with it, and they are simply having fun.
Having been a working musician since the 80's, I can promise you even experienced musicians can learn this lesson.
Actually, Bach was apparently "forgotten" for a long time before being unearthed by Mendelssohn almost a century after his death.
It was known by composers because it was good for learning music theory, but it was considered old fashioned and wasn't performed. Mendelssohn did see the musical value in it and presented it to audiences.
Vivaldi might be the better example. Very popular in his lifetime, faded into obscurity soon after his death, no children to promote his legacy, basically forgotten for two centuries, then revived about a century ago by Fritz Kreisler and has become one of the most recognizable composers in the mass culture ever since.
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Franz Liszt.
@@digitaljanusGustav Mahler is another more recent example. His music fell off the radar for about 50 years after he died until Leonard Bernstein’s recordings reintroduced him to a new generation in the 1960s. Now his symphonies are among the most frequently played in the world.
It’s notable too that in all three of these cases - Bach, Vivaldi, and Mahler - it wasn’t teachers, critics, or scholars who inspired their rehabilitations. It was other musicians who had a genuine passion for their works and used that passion to inspire other people to give those composers another listen.
So war´s. Die zwei Leipziger halt.
Great conversation, they should do this more of them. Rick's mentioning that Keith Jarrett had wished he had recorded with Wayne Shorter really got me thinking what an awesome collaboration that would have been.
That felt odd to hear. I'd assumed they recorded together at some point.
Imho, I wish Keith and Charles Lloyd would record/play again some day
this sort of ‘fly on the wall’ insight into a conversation like this between two musical doyens, makes me so grateful for this platform. thank you Rick and Adam - love both of your channels. cheers
Two of the finest music educators and explainers ever! Fascinating.
Not only are classical music composers taught in school but their music is used so ubiquitously in movies, TV, commercials, etc. Even if people don't know all of their names, I'm sure most still know the melodies.
Bach's reputation was elevated years after he died. He was an old-fashioned relic in his own time, as music was moving on to the classical style.
I'm studying classical cello, and I did check out the Keith Jarrett interview. I've been watching yours and Adam's videos for years as a jazz outsider, and I keep coming back because I know there's something beautiful about it. That interview with Keith Jarrett was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. I'd never heard of him before and I still don't comprehend much of what it's like to be a jazz musician, but I could feel his humanity through his playing. That was something. So thank you for doing what you do, educating, sharing history and theory, and documenting a bit of the lives of some amazing people.
I loved this conversation! You guys are so well spoken and ask each other really poignant questions. This 80-year concept is fascinating to me because I've spent time thinking about what it means to be in the public consciousness and why some artists are remembered more deeply than others. I agree with Adam that education plays a large role - the aural and oral traditions keeping individuals alive - as well as the simple fact that other artists enjoy performing and doing renditions of what we call jazz standards. When something is good, it's undeniable, and you want to replicate it or put your own spin on it. Please keep doing these interesting discussions!
It's so refreshing hearing two people speaking with well thought out arguments going back and forth, compared to so much BS these days. Which are mostly just dumping poorly understood offensive statements.
Both of you are perfect well-spoken, intelligent and reasonable show hosts and at the same time good musicians. Before TH-cam we were not really exposed to people showing both qualities. It is a joy to learn about music, history, musicians, music theory, music interpretation, musical experimentation and society by a good presenter. If both your videos were half as good then still they would be better than 98% of the internet. So I hope you don't feel too much pressure and continue making enjoyable and educational videos.
I actually talked about a similar discussion in my PhD dissertation. Events (and in your conversation artists) have a lifespan that has changed because of technological advances. Our traditions of sheet music and or oral/aural musical traditions shifted with the advent of recorded technology. I talked about how Blues music was a perfect example because it was primarily aural/oral and was passed down that way, but with recorded technology it changed our conception of what a musical event meant. Really great convo!
That's so interesting. Could you please tell me the title of your dissertation? Thank you.
@@karthikiyer6745 Of course!
The title is "The Event of Blues Music and the Effects of Technology on the
Artistic Event"
I saw Rick in London last night, really enjoyed it. Thank you Rick for coming to London.
You guys could talk about the weather and everyone would be interested. Two of the best channels EVER.
We have two superb (not only) music educators; accomplished musicians as well at our disposal online...very appreciated!
Artists like The Bee Gees died 4 times during their long career but grew stronger after every death. Yet a TH-cam producer only ever gets one short stab at popularity, there is rarely ever another time of mass popularity. So much of the online environment is fleeting, short stabs of being popular, whatever popular is. I should have quit 6 years ago when I was ahead of the curve. Hanging on has done some very serious damage to my health
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"I'm not going to say his name, but Rhett....." I literally laughed out loud 😂😂😂 this was an extremely insightful interview. I continue to glean so much from Rick's channel
Great point from Adam about the quality of the recording. I think what one might also take into the consideration is that many modern musicians have a history with indie music, which also tends to have lower quality performance and mixes.
I live in Europe. Bach, Beethoven, and a host of other European composers are still very much a part of popular culture here. I listen to classical music every day on the radio and concerts happen regularly everywhere. It seems to be deeply woven into the fabric of the society.
My two favorite TH-camrs together, just perfect! Keep on educating us!
Wow amazing! Two of my favorite TH-camrs in the music business. Thank you
…thinking about triads vs fourths… I can’t say I ever thought that exactly. But starting today, I will be! Thanks Rick and Adam! What you do Rick is NOT intuitive, it’s a gift and thank you for sharing it!
Love this Interview! Can we get an Anthony Jackson interview please? He has played on so many amazing records! Chaka Khan’s Naughty, his invention of the 6 string and early adoption of the round wound bass string, Michel Camilo, Michel petrucciani, Hiromi, Steely Dan… etc etc etc.
Adam - "What the hell was that video about?" I'm not sure either, but the knowledge, interaction, and respect you have for each other make this so comfortable to watch. I'm glad you two do what you do. It's entertaining. I feel enlightened, but unsure of what I do with this information.
Hi Rick, in regards to your 'Why Do We Stop Listening to Our Favorite Artists?', I think you could call it 'Aging out', not that the band becomes less relevant but that the person listening to a favorite bands tastes change and expand and focus changes and they move on.
I believe many very famous musicians have been non conformist school dropouts and hence they were autodidacts and learnt in a unique way and stood out as being unique artists.
These two guys are just the best. Such brilliant minds.
Benny Goodman was huge in his time and I would suggest his influence is felt through the generation that directly followed him.
Hey Rick, I love your channel. I am a blind guitar player, I love the things that you were doing on your channel. I love the interviews, it’s just awesome thank you for doing what you’re doing. Sending many blessings and best wishes from the blind guy. Peace. 19:32
I think of Red Skelton like you think of Bob Hope. Bob Hope's Shtick is vivid in my mind.
Most modern TH-camrs have a PHD in Google and Wikipedia. But when someone truly UNDERSTANDS AND APPRECIATES their subject matter, they have the tools required to COMMUNICATE it effectively and enjoyably. (Communication is its own skill, but without those other two fundamental elements, it's infotainment.)
You are totally on point. My chemistry professor, when I was working on my Masters in education, once told me that most can get a degree in education, but only a small percentage are good teachers. They have the "it" factor.
Honestly, Rick, I found out about you through Mary Spender and Adam. But I've stayed because you are an awesome person and I love how your videos are young meets old.
One, and only, thing to say: I just love the two of you guys talking about music!
Adam, Brett and Rick have given so much to the online music community, what a trio of amazing teachers!
Fab interview - just in London passing time at The British Museum waiting for your show at Bloomsbury Theatre this evening! Enjoy 😊
@Dave Jones if I manage that I will send you a picture!
Similar to memes, crossword puzzles a way that certain words are retained in popular consciousness (maybe not as popular nowadays) past the time they would naturally disappear. There's a meta-value, based on the pattern of letters, that exists apart from the inherent meaning, that is advantaged in crossword grids and is retained.
You two will be taught to the next generation. I share your videos with both my HS and college music students.
I would listen to you two talk for hours, thank you for the video.
For me Adam's video on jazz reharmonization maybe my favorite music theory video of all time. I got so much out of that video.
Adam is a superstar.
Just watched your 2022 chat. Will save this for later because I have to send some videos to my son to aid in recovery. But really like you both and watch many of your videos. Always entertaining, always instructive. And I am a non-musician, but I can learn from you a lot about what I cannot do or play.
J.S. Bach had vanished from public consciousness, too, before Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy re-discovered and performed his music in the 19th century.
There's still someone talking about the music we love.. Thank you
Great art has a timeless quality. If you listen to it, it still sounds like it could have been made today. Example most of George Carlin's routines are not dependent on knowledge of current events. Where as all of Bob Hope's routines were.
I grew up seeing Hope on TV in his specials, which were ok but, to me, never hilarious. But I knew that when Woody Allen was a kid, he'd been a big fan of Hope from his movies in the 1940s, and those were actually laugh-out-loud funny.
Great Video! Two great tastes that taste great together! You are two of my favorite music instructors and I have learned so much from both of you. Your song analysis videos are oh so useful and informative. Because of you both, I understand chords and the way that they function such to be useful in my own compositions. It is great to see you both in the same video working together. A nice way to start my morning. 🙂
I’m 63 and grew up watching old Bob Hope films here in the UK, particularly the Road Movies with Bing Crosby. The Lemon Drop Kid, The Cat and the Canary, and Son of Paleface with Jane Russel is a classic too. He became a bit of an anachronism later on, but at his peak he was a genuinely funny guy. Buttons and Bows 🙂
Aged 49 here...same. BBC's Sunday afternoon film.
Incredible! Absolutely love both of these guys, never thought we'd get them together like this 👍
Love your interviews! You think you're ever going to get PETER GABRIEL on!? Would love to hear some of the breakdowns and how he puts his tracks together. I've always been mesmerized by how he can make odd time sigs and unusual melodies part of the public conscious!
This is the equivalent of Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt talking NASCAR, Joe Montana and Joe Namath talking football, LeBron James and Michael Jordan talking basketball and Gordon Ramsay Emeril Lagassé talking food (I was tempted to list like a hundred more, but you get my point) The best, most accomplished and knowledgeable names in their respective fields. This is magic!
Always love to see two of my favorites music TH-camrs get together on one episode
It's always a treat to listen to these two contemporary giants cross paths.
I have to say I don't like Jazz but I follow this and Adam's channel, because they're about music, and I like music :)
I know that I now enjoy lots of music that I didn't like when I was younger, mainly because it's sounds better than it did back when I was listening thru bad equipment in my youth.
I really enjoy Adam's videos with Mary Spender.
So many insightful comments in here which I feel is a reflection of the conversation. Which, off the cuff, is more listenable than most preconceived videos/convos because the Quality of the two speaking is high. Their Quality in their life and effort to learn shines through to us and it inspires me. Should get off TH-cam and play guitar but not til this convo is over.
We need a Tom Bukavac interview and we desperately need an ELO/Jeff Lynne video.
YES 😀
Ohh yes please! However, I beleive Jeff Lynne is not too fond of doing interviews.
Yes Jeff Lynne 👍🏼
As a TH-camr that contemplated quitting a few times, seeing you talk about enjoying that type of videos is kind of hilarious. I won't give you the satisfaction! You won't see a quitting video from me 🤣
You're both my favorite youtubers, so very nice watching this 🙏
The saving grace is that an artist is also born twice, the second time occurring when they commit to their art. A person whose life is sweeping the street or working a cash register doesn't have that opportunity, unless they are also an artist or a lover.
Regarding the "crappy quality" of recording technology before the 50s, younger people probably don't mind it as much because low-fidelity music is practically a genre now.
I've never heard "canon" four times in a video, except on a photographic site. Your show today was excellent. Thanks. --BAK--
Guilliame de Machaut, no sh!t!
When David Munrow and his Early Music Consort of London released the Grammy Award winning album "The Art Of Courtly Love" in 1973 (1977 Grammy for best Chamber Music performance) this incredible 3 LP vinyl boxed set introduced music from Medieval and Renaissance composers such as Guilliame de Machaut, who wrote compositions of such beauty and complex simplicity as to turn my own musical journey upside down. Instead of seeking Teles and Les Pauls, I was collecting krummhorns and rauschpfeiffen, bagpipes and harpsichords. Of course I was still making my living playing bass in a rock band, but there were bizarre fusion/prog bands back then like Gentle Giant and Gryphon that were bravely mixing it all up, Medieval thru Hard Rock.
Anyway, just glad to hear Machaut's name being mentioned, I guess he's not dead yet either... ;)
This entire concept breaks my heart. So many greats that will be forgotten…And then there’s the greats that were never known…
Bob Hope was perhaps the funniest and most witty to ever do it!!
Great topic guys.
PS. I think certain bands will be reborn and studied for hundred of years, again and again…
#Queen
#TheBeatles
Our time will pass. People will find, create, appreciate and fall in love with their own great artforms, and keep only whatever from our time still speaks to them.
Bob Hope didn’t write his own jokes. We all remember Chaplin
Still waiting for you to do a show about JD Beck and Domi. My kids love them. You're always talking about pop music being boring but these guys are pop and can actually make a difference in today's music
I have the same view that DOMi and JD Beck are a bridge between jazz and pop so will be a great positive influence on pop. Similarly, The Consouls take the nostalgia of vgm and turn it into great jazz which engages a younger audience. I think the pendulum is swinging back towards interesting music again!
Innovators, or at least very original figures, those who stand up over the others of their respective eras because they had success while doing it differently from anybody else:
these usually get to be remembered a lot more then equally or even more successful figures of their period.
Talking about Bob Hope, for example, as an almost 50 years old Italian man I never heard about him beside his bare name ringing vaguely familiar to me.
But I've heard, and consumed quite a bit of, the Marx Brothers' work, and Groucho's in particular.
I've watched their movies, I've seen some of their television appearances, and I've also read some of their written work. And as old as their work is, as old and culturally far as it's always been for me, I've still enjoyed it a lot.
I still read or watch some of their work once in awhile to this day, indeed.
Because what they did feels original, fun, unique, and, especially, relevant today.
Thanks for your videos!
Too short this interview! A friend of mine said something about how he sees Adam Neely, he said he sees Adam talking about music the same way he watched Carl Sagan talking about the nature. I never thought about that, but I think it makes sense. Love these guys.
a-a-b-a is a natural law of rethoric dramaturgy that has already been discovered and formalized as early as the ancient Greeks. In Heinrich Lausberg's famous bible of Latin rhethoric, the "repetitio" follows a clear a-a-a' or a-a-b pattern (e.g. " I worked, and worked, and worked even harder") which in itsself again almost is congruent with the logical rule that you need to repeat anything at least once to establish it as a repetition. Since, in this sense, the third repetition is already redundant to the information "this is a repetition" (and therefore mechanical and boring for a quick mind), you can use it for emphasis. The "a" at the end is ruled by the dialectic rethoric order of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The two rules combined create a-a-b-a'. If I speak of rethoric in this context, I consider it not only as the school of "ars bene dicendi" but more generally as the experience-based observation of the laws of human creation (music, architecture, painting, sculpting aso.).
We absolutely need a jeff skunk baxter interview. Great interview with Adam really loved it
Good guitarist, but a deep state war hawk. I'm normally a "separate the artist and the art" guy but Skunk is a defense industry consultant (ie: advising on how to make weapons of war more lethal). He also wrote for Jane's Defense for years. He's deeper in that world than he ever was in music.
@@peachmelba1000 Yeah, there are plenty of guitarists other than Skunk he can interview...
@@kitano0 I'm hoping for a Josh Homme interview, or maybe a sort of obscure person like Dave Wyndorf.
@@peachmelba1000 I think he has a lot to offer musically as well. I recently watched his American guitar technique videos and he seems like he has a lot of musical history under his belt, and in one of videos he says jazz improvisation and the like improves non linear thinking, hence his interests in other fields with the same principles applied to them. He often refers to himself as being just a "hippie guitarist". He seems like a genuinely good guy with a lot of music experience and it's influence in other domains as well. I'd sure love to see him being interviewed by Rick Beato
@@peachmelba1000 I was thinking John McLaughlin or Greg Koch or Joe Bonamassa
I loved Adam's mention of Knowing Better! KB has an amazing channel.
Nice shout out to Knowing Better. Always fun when one of your favorite TH-camrs mentions they're also a fan of another one of your favorite TH-camrs.
I could listen to you guys talk for hours.Many hours...
Hey Rick, I recently have watched your videos about Yuja Wang and Martha Argerich. As I'm mainly from the classical world as a performer, I really appreciate that and I come with a name: Adam Fulara. This is a guitarist who made couple of videos and then dipped. He made some crazy hard arrangements for TWO handed tapping where he replicates piano pieces!!! Do check him out. You'll pass out when you see it.
Interesting discussion and example about Bob Hope. I was discussing Bob Hope with a family member, we are 40 & 43, after this video and realized we were talking about Bob Newhart. It took me a minute to remember who Bob Hope was. I only know as much about him as Adam mentioned. My 17 year old niece has no idea who any of the artists from the 90s up to around 2005 are. You mention Green Day, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden and she stares blankly. Play their songs for her and she just tunes out and says it's old people music. She only knows of Nirvana by name because of Kurt, but nothing about their music. She is only interested in hip hop hooks that she will sing all day.
Two members of my TH-cam All Stars Jazz Band. Would love to see Beato and Neely along with Aimee Nolte and George Fludas team up for a few tunes for us to enjoy!
Great conversation!
What Bach, Beethoven, Parker and Miles mostly have in common is, that if you love the music, you are able to learn certain parts by heart and sing or hum along with them. Like ear training works. In some way, they’re like quality pop music.
And I personally think that’s not the case -for most people- with the genius music of Keith Jarrett or say some great more modern classical composers, or later Coltrane records.
Being capable of reading music or not: people live by ear first and foremost, I think. It’s just biology. They want to hum/sing/play along: be part of the piece of music inside.
I myself played in a Zappa’s coverband for a few years. I can’t read music. But, I could sing/hum al the bass parts, because they were fairly ‘easy’ to learn by heart, because they’re just melodies you can learn. I put in the hours and played them. It just took me 1000 times longer than a bassist that can actually read, 😂.
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I think the ability of their art to remain relevant determines whether they fall out of memory or not.
Great show Rick, Bob Hope was a Brit I went to his theatre that he paid for in a south London suburb called Eltham, I saw Carmen it was fantastic, the theatre is tiny but charming. Love the show . PEACE and LOVE to EVERYONE.
A Rick Beato and Jacob Collier interview needs to happen ASAP man….I am already picturing them breaking down “Moon River” and all that amazing harmonic content….
I just checked out his band Sungazer and I’m now a fan!
One day I hope university music departments make this entire channel part of its recommended "reading" list. Keep the culture alive.
I don't know if it's only on my side, but front camera that films both of you is blurry. Btw. really cool that you two sit down and talk. Adam is phenomenal and his channel is great.
Why have I never heard of Adam Neely?? TH-cam has so many hidden treasures!
you are in for a treat
Adam is AMAZING
My aunt was a music teacher at “Teachers College” at Columbia back in the day and I’d receive albums of classical music for Christmas or my birthdays. These albums were recordings of people like Bach, Beethoven etc. Their music have been perpetuated throughout time and for this reason we still recognize them. I don’t think Bob Hope will be remembered as much hundreds of years from now. I could go on regarding the Beatles or Miles but I’ll spare everyone.
Yeah. Knew of Adam's stuff before Rick's. But this is the Musical Collab we've been waiting to see.
Wonderful conversation. Thanks, gents!
Few years ago I was sitting having lunch in a cafe on Portobello Rd London with a mate of mine. Turned to look at someone coming in and it was Robert Plant no less. I’m 54 now and my mates similar age and we were both huge Zep fans and it wasn’t long after the o2 show which I was lucky to be at. Not only were we totally in awe but completely gobsmacked when he ordered a latte to go and sat at our table when he was waiting ! Both of us couldn’t believe it and were reduced to a couple of gibbering idiots. But what was surprising ,was that after he left a few people asked us who he was ...one of the most iconic rockstars of all time and here were people in their 20s who didn’t have a clue who he was.
Rick, you discovered that you're not famous until you're Neely famous! The Neely Boost.... I love it!
Young people know some of the older songs because these songs stand the test of time. They were well crafted and mean something. Every time I listen to a song like Comfortably Numb, it still gets me in the feels. The trash that makes up the Spotify top 10/50/100 is all going to be forgotten once these kids grow up. No one will be listening to this stuff a few years from now, let alone 50 years from now.
I think part of why some artists last longer is that they either change the game (in a popular way) and/or they significantly transcend "their" audience and get to a much larger audience. Which also means they have to be widely popular in their time.
I just watched Adam's analysis of Wayne Shorter's music. It is free of cliches and is original, and most importantly, he explains why Shorter's music is so incredible.
Two of the Best at what ever it is they do....
what a great episode. I would love if you did more jazz content. The Metheny interview of course was EPIC. Lots of great cats out there. Moreno, Hekselman, Criss Potter etc etc.....
Fascinating. I follow both of you. So you are the people that inform me. - who on earth is Richard Prior or George Carlin? - I am a very late starter on piano and was buried in theory that I love. I do wish I had read Rick;s book before I worked out that FACE is the same chord (plus quality) regardless of scale now I eat and sleep intervals. However after chasing anything on 6 Dim Scale I heard Pat Metheney say to Barry Harris "Beside Bach we all suck". I went to Bach's Prelude in C major and found more basic Jazz theory in 35 bars than one can imagine. Voicing, Cadence, Progressions, Improvisation plus plus plus . Quite honestly piano Classics courses need to START at this level no ploughing through endless sharp scales with no care for harmony or the import of broken chords and arpeggios.Also the importance of ear training was totally lost on me until I realise that 40,000 years ago people in caves were making flutes that play the same when played by flautists today. At 81 I am never going to be an Oscar Peterson but I can aim to improvise a 12 bar blues.
Rick is winning the TH-cam music teachers game by miles above some of my favorite music teachers on the platform! I bought the Beato ultimate bundle a few weeks ago Rick! Thinking of becoming a member of the Beato Club as well! Thank you for all that you do! So glad with the interviews and guests you’ve had on recently.
Two quick comments:
1. In my university music program AABA was taught to me as a compositional form starting in the 1500’s if not earlier. Innovation (and improvement) of the form evolved from Bach, and Mozart through to Beethoven and others, and we were taught that the argument as to why composers from this era are still remembered is directly related to the depth and complexity of the compositional evolution they were part of.
2. As a music composition undergrad, hands down the most important course I ever took in university was a 3rd year class called Film Editing Theory. Being informed by more universal concepts of good composition and artistic expression has done more for my understanding of my particular craft than any specific music theory itself.
You attended University in the 1500's ? I knew Ricks fans were old, but that's taking the piss! 😂
Adam Neely really does refer his fans to some awesome places, it's how I found both you and Sevish on youtube.
I don’t know of many (any?) interviewers who can rival Rick’s 1) knowledge, 2) enthusiasm, and 3) ability to communicate. Rare to get all three in the same person! He is like a much less formal Leonard Bernstein, but with a focus on rock/jazz/pop
Fun discussion by two of my favorite TH-camrs.
Regarding the title you decided on:
“Many African societies divide humans into three categories: those still alive on the earth, the sasha, and the zamani. The recently departed whose time on earth overlapped with people still here are the sasha, the living-dead. They are not wholly dead, for they still live in the memories of the living, who can call them to mind, create their likeness in art, and bring them to life in anecdote. When the last person to know an ancestor dies, that ancestor leaves the sasha for the zamani, the dead. As generalised ancestors, the zamani are not forgotten but revered. Many … can be recalled by name. But they are not the living-dead. There is a difference.”
― James W Loewen, Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong
I came across the quote in "The Brief History of the Dead" by Kevin Brockmeier, a good exploration of the idea that we have two deaths, the first physical and the second when we pass from memory among the living.