The reason of Astel talking less in English【holostars JP】【Eng Sub】
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ม.ค. 2023
- It's time for us to type English comments in chat.
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I'm glad Astel addressed this, because sometimes I don't wanna stand out as the only English comment in the sea of Japanese comments lol. But I would never demand a Japanese talent to speak English more or even question them about it.
For me, it's because most of the fan translators that used to be in some of the boys' chats during the period I got into Holostars just don't seem to be there anymore, so I genuinely don't know what they're talking about half the time, haha. The most I'll usually say these days is just a greeting and a "Thank you for the stream" at the end. Don't wanna sound like an idiot, y'know.
Mood I miss the translators 😭
I always hang out there and while I can translate stuff the Stars chat rules are weird and varied for me to bother so I just chill. Unless it's super important I just stay quiet. For example Izuru absolutely forbids chatters talking to each other in any way
Lol the eternal dilema, wanting to learn more japanese and understand and comment better but wanting to hear the English interactions you're no longer showing prompts for because you're typing in Japanese lol.
I think some of the people who used to watch the JPstars who weren't that good at JP might have flocked to the EN side (that's just a theory and I'm not saying that negatively at all, its understandable after all) and on the other side theres also viewers like me who prefer to lurk because we dont want to feel like we are forcing them to switch language or breaking a chat rule or something like that
But it's good to know Astel is fine with English comments as I tend to watch him from time to time but dont comment for the reasons above and also because my JP is not that good so while I understand the gist of it I'm not always sure so I dont want to risk being off topic etc
I would say most people lurk. I have most streamers on in the background while doing work and whatnot so it doesnt matter what they are saying. I think there is definitely more interactivity on the en side for a lot of the viewers purely because hololive is mostly male concentrated (in terms of viewerbase) as compared to niji in terms of its support.
@@MS-vk9ph I can see that personally I lurk and have it on the background because I dont feel like I can contribute to JP streamers a lot (be it Holostars or Nijisanji where I have a lot of streamer I enjoy watching too) because of the language barrier the comments I can make a far and few in between and again theres this fear of not being sure you're not gonna derail the stream (also some JP streamers have definitely said they dont really like seeing english in their chats before though I wouldnt be able to remember who exactly if you asked me) in the contrary I feel like I can chat more or less freely in the EN chats because my level in english is good enough that I understand 99% of what's going on so I can just comment on things as they are happening with no stress 🤔 just my personal experience though!! (Also I usually play games myself when watching streams so stabbing out or pausing just to comment every 5 minutes would be a drag lol same with work etc so I get it)
@@ManonLcz The one time I remember that is when I watched an izuru stream once but that was about EN TL, and that people should use the free chat room for that.
I must say since Tempus has debuted I've found myself being more of a lurker in chats because I feel the odd one out. I guess it is time to shake off that feeling
@@HitoribochiSakana Izuru is super strict with his chat he doesn't even allow chatters to talk to each other like answer a question someone asked. That's what his free chat is for things like that
I am one of the people that doesn't type in english because i feel i shouldn't lol 😂 it's nice to know that astel it's fine with it
i feel pretty comfortable using english in astel's and temma's chats because i know that both of them are pretty good at english and they can understand me. sometimes they even read my comments when i don't expect them to (lol). but in other jp chats i comment much less so it makes sense.
Yeah, I feel shy chatting in English when I watch the JP except when there are lives or collabs. I either use w or 草 when watching the JP side though I don't really know much Japanese.
For me i just type english coz i don't know how to use kanji but i made sure i write simple english so astel can understand it
I'm sure if you type hiragana only he will understand too, maybe just a bit slower
i just type in romanji honestly if its a few words everyone can understand
@@gumilhopipoca4041 yeah i can do that that too... But i kinda not sure if i'm using hiragana right...like some words can be used in katakana😖
Edit: so i'm playing safe right now, also this can be astel's english lesson too so killing two birds with one stone?
@@Taoutes It's not wrong to use hiragana, but for me i'm too afraid to use hiragana as it might gives different meaning. For example the word 'はな'(hana), does it mean flower or nose?Using kanji is more suitable here to identify which hana are we talking about.
Like you said, you can just hiragana or romaji like the the guy above me...personal opinion imma just stick using english talking to astel since i don't have to worry about it. Moreover, it can improve his english comprehension which make him understand english more. Probably bcoz of me being an english teacher coz i'm kinda happy seeing him improving his english talking with his viewers
If you're on chrome pc, there's a handy extension I use called "Google Input Tools", it lets you type (and even write) in a bunch of languages.
His imouto aka Ollie got some similar chats on her stream too. But it was the opposite, ID chat asks why she rarely/never speak in ID (as her native language) when in fact not only she always speak in ID, but also speaks EN to translate it for the EN bros. Her speaking JP is even more occasional
Tbh I'm scared of standing out so I'm a lurker when it comes to Stars JP senpai. Also, I'm afraid of breaking their chat rules so I don't type in their chat often. I do leave English comments in their cover songs tho. But I'm happy Astel address it.
I'm one of these persons that always thought "Ah, I shouldn't write in english", so thank you for this clip, now I know I can :)
I never had this issue. I only type in English anyway, and I would comment whenever I saw them doing something cool. I remember one time in Oga's Final Fantasy I stream where he was around 5 hours in, and I typed "He's already in the Ice cave? Oga just running through the game.", and Oga responded with "speedrun? No speedrun." (I mean 5 hours in, I probably just finished the Earth cave, but that was the old NES version). Fuma, Temma, and Rio have also responded to my comments sometimes. Don't be afraid to type in English! They'll be very happy to know that there are overseas viewers that are watching them!
When I was starting out in the rabbit hole I used to not want to stand out as kaigai niki, so I always used Japanese with Hololive and Holostars. But recently I see many situations both Nihon niki and the talents can appreciate when kaigai niki are there enjoying too, so now I use a mix of English and Japanese.
Thank you for the clip!!
Lately I feel intimidated by the japanese only live chat and ended up only using emoticon ww I also realize there're less and less English comment so I kinda stopped using English to comment.... sometimes I use deepL to translate to jp ww
And... I don't want to feel like I force them to use English when I comment in English... but maybe I should start comment in English again after this!
Astel actually prefers English over machine translated Japanese, because the nuance is often twisted or words/phrases go missing or are changed! Feel free to be yourself!
Typing english in the sea of japanese chat actually kinda makes you feel like the odd one there, even though it's just internet where nobody knows you but you still subconsciously think they do, something like the account you're using to comment is basically yourself.
I've been trying to write in japanese (the simple stuff I know) more in astels (and other jp stars) streams since some time ago, hoping it would make them happy. So he's not wrong with that assumption at the end.
I really appreciate this kind of clips... Also it's not an Astel apex stream if there's no talk/rant of deleting the charge rifle haha
thanks for the clips and translation! I usually listen to astel streams since I'm learning JP but if he is okay with english comments I'll try to chat in english here and there too sometimes 😁
im that person who only chat "草/www" "gg" "nt" because chatting in english in his sea of Japanese chat feels kinda illegal
The reason I miss their streams is mainly my current work hours and the time change, I'm even missing streams from the girls like Okayu, Marine and even the new guys at Tempus.
Astel and his Charged rifle is back on the menu
I often talk in english in the chat but I thought it may be rude to a jp liver so I talk less and less and comment very few japanese words that I know. But if I wanted to convey something i just say it english coz i dont want to be misunderstood if I incorrectly used words in jp. Though there are listeners who can both speak jp and en. Some are very kind that helped me alot conveying my messages. For me regardless if my oshi cant speak en or just jp. I stay and watch them. Probably coz like astel. I can only understand but not speak fluently the language. But I still grown to love my oshi even with language barrier since i really enjoy their work.😊
Dont worry astel.... Kaigai nikki always there to watch and study your gameplay
I even write in english knowing the streamer can't understand me. It let's them know we are here too.
Sometimes they translate it and sometimes it even gets translated by some JP bros.
In some rare cases the streamer even picks up learning english in response to seeing more english comments.
I never comentating in astel chat now because sometimes we called out because discussing or asking in the chat, don't get me wrong but astel live chat is really mess especially during a tourney, so when i watch him i just close the chat to enjoy his stream
I get you but most of the time Astel is not playing in a tournament
確かにホロスタのチャットのコメント英語減った気がするなぁ
以前は翻訳者とか自分達の言語でコメントしてくれてる多くいてチャットも賑やかで楽しかったんだけどね。ちょっと寂しい。
I want to start learning Japanese this year just to be able to understand him, but it's true that I felt like I shouldn't type in English in the chat today www I will continue doing so! Thanks for the TLs! ❤
It's very nice for Astel to address thing about this matter.
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I, personally, not only feeling like too standing out like an outcast in the sea of JP comments. I also feeling cringed from that too as not many JP livers can really understand what we're trying to say to them.
Oh my god so he is okay with english comments.... I am always afraid if my comment in english would stand out too much....
I don't know the circumstance of that fan but suggesting that vtuber will give up on part of their community is little bit insulting imo.
Even under CN-TW controversies, while they pull out from CN market, they never shun away the CN fans. Coco even stated that she knew her CN fans are still watching her and feeling grateful for their support.
Thank you for this clip. Honestly. I am literally the same as what he mentioned. It's quite a fine line to follow the flow of a chat room, especially one in a language you don't speak. And the thing I want most is to be respectful to our boys and other livers. I will take this with a dooly note! And chat in English!! I'm glad to know Astel encourages this. I am defnitely a little sad that he's been seeing a decrease lately. I want the JP boys to feel loved on, even more so with these new waves.
It's hard to know who of the boys think this way though. But now I know Astel appretiates them
to all of us who are scared to type in English!! Here's our moment! Lets show the boys we're still here and we care! We will do it together, so don't feel alone. myself included
I'm one of those overseas that writes in Japanese, just like he said I'm learning so I want to comment in Japanese
When I first started watching him I always chat in eng and he replied few times but recently I don't do it and just lurk in the stream.. 😔😔😔
Thanks for the clip!
I think when izuchama started adding to his descriptions that he didn't understand English I started chatting less in the boys streams since I wasn't sure what their policy was 😅 glad to know he's good with it, thanks for the clip !
Izuru understands English! Part of his studies in University were in English.
I believe what he meant by those rules - anyone feel free to correct me - was that he doesn't want there to be an expectation by kaigai fans that he will 100% read or respond to your message as comfortably as if it were in his native language, because it isn't. But English in chat doesn't make HIM uncomfortable or anything, no worries.
Also, all of Holostars is cool with English-speaking fans. Not all understand it well, but they're happy to see you're still there, watching :)
to add further context on izuchama’s rule iirc that one applies mostly to game play streams only. He introduced that rule during an apex stream in which he used to get apex watchers coming into his stream and commenting on his gameplay in detail but he cant pick up their comments when they use complicated sentences while he’s trying to focus on the game.
it’s perfectly ok to still comment in english just try to keep it in simple english, and dont feel bad if he cant respond to your comments 👍
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im a fan of holostars JP specially Astel-kun. Since there are no subtitles in their lives, I tend to watch clips like this. So thank you to everyone who translates what they say
Im surprised recently jp has a lol wave and holostars also has many new league players perhaps they can do custom's
Oboretai very quiet since this dropped
I normally type in Japanese since I don't want to force the liver to speak in my language if they don't want to. It's great that Astel is encouraging more fans to write in English in chat.
I feel bad Omg I used to comment BHT have stuck to lurking but I hope he knows we are still there we just don’t want to be a bother
Lately I felt ashamed for asking for TLs and typing English in the JP chats which srifted me away from Holostars for a while. The former because we were forcing people to do work... but I am glad to know Astel is okay with the latter.
ノーアーカイブ多いけど歌枠とかは英語でスパチャやチャットが流れる時にちゃんと英語で返してるからマジで流れてないだけだと思う。でも言語の壁は厚いよねぇ…1ファンだけど気負わずにチャットしてくれると嬉しいなぁ
I think I read someone's rules from holostars jp that don't use eng to comment, so I think that might be applied to other streamers as well. Glad that Astel is fine with english 😭🙏🏻
All of Holostars JP are happy to receive English comments!
They are different levels of fluent, but they've all interacted with EN comments from time to time. Some have asked English speakers to not spam, have unrelated conversations, or just be a badly behaved in general, but that goes the same for Japanese and any other language. All languages are welcomed equally
Makes sense; see fewer English comments, interact in English less. Logical.
and here i am, always use english bcs never success change my keypad settings :")
I think the person who asks whether, or not, Astel was giving up on the EN Community was an exceptional prick of the highest caliber. May that person's toe find the corner of their desk at important intervals.
I also don't see this in any way as non-mutual abandonment, by either Astel or his bunch of EN community members. When you know you can't fit into a group of people, why stay?
ive slowly grown to not comment in english in many JP streams... i dunno why .. but yeah... feels like... they never get noticed anyhow...
Like, the other commenter said, it's just luck! Many JP comments don't get picked up either, it just depends on when he looks at chat and what catches his eye from a glance
As only a viewer, I'll just say I'm always happy to see comments even if Astel doesn't see them all, whether EN, JP, anything, so long as they're not hateful, spammy, etc. ahaha. It's just nice seeing fellow kaigai in the chat having fun too
an eternal dilemma of watching jp vtubers is that jp fans tend to feel intimidated when the chat has way too many english comments in it (which is a whole nother can of worms in itself tbh, cos if you ask me some of it is just xenophobia) but what i really appreciate about astel is he always, always tries to address and do something about it in his own way. he does his best not to alienate his overseas fans even when we all know english is not really easy to learn for japanese speakers. one of my personal fave episodes is when he makes his fans fight each other with emojis on chat, he creates atmospheres in which kaigai and jp fans can freely interact with each other. understandably, that gets a little harder to do during fps streams when he’s grinding and focusing on gameplay. i myself try to comment more in english cos i also am conscious of encouraging other english speakers to try and participate in chat, but I understand that it can get scary at times. the key really is reading the atmosphere, thats it.
It's not simply xenophobia, just try imagine it the other way around. Imagine at English stream, say like Holostars EN stream, then suddenly chat full of Russian. I bet one million percent almost all of English chats going feel uncomfortable by them. So it's the matter of when chats full of language that is not what it meant to be, the people who are meant to be the original audiences will somehow feel alienated.
You can take a very close and latest example nowadays from Hakka's stream. Whenever he talks Spanish too much and chats turning full Spanish, the English ones vanished (yeah soke puns there). So it's nothing too specific such as calling out Japanese as xenophobic, it's just a normal common human reaction.
So as "guests", it is our responsibility to make sure we're not flooding too much a place which is not ours and respect the original "owners". Tldr, keep everything in regulations and be respectful.
@@vterans8804 while I do agree to a certain degree, astel has even stated before that there needs to be more synergy with the jp and en audience to be able to grow their following. I watch a whole lot of all of the jp holostars and love en now but still watch both, but I'm sure we can see that there has been a bit of a drain from the jp holostars in terms of viewership. I do agree to keep the chat civil and mainly in the language intended, but at the same time I didn't care too much when hakka's chat and waiting room were in spanish. i don't speak any spanish lol but I used translate to help me. My only aside in all this is as long as things dont get out of control, the jp side needs to be at least somewhat open like astel is otherwise jp holostars will stagnate. even till now much of the fanbase for holostars has been kaigai.
@@vterans8804 i def agree with you, technically we kaigai fans are visitors in these settings and we definitely should mind our manners and respect the atmosphere. what i mentioned about xenophobia though is also a separate phenomenon specific to experiences by some foreigners within jp spaces, but i'd rather not get into it extensively here.
@@mauvepd very tru. I understand that side as well. I’d like to think most people are good and think without jumping to conclusions. I’d like to think that both the kaigai and jp side are that and there are only a few bad actors on both sides. As a long time watcher of especially Aruran amongst others I really do think that holostars can be big considering the sheer AMOUNT of work they have put in. They just have to keep the balance between jp and kaigai to get enough welcome on both sides to get that synergy that astel was talking about. Hopefully we can even get more collabs in the future between en and jp where mixing of languages is warranted.
I mean that's just true. Western audience are spoiled for choices and aren't really as "sticky" as the jp audience. I always hang out in the less viewed talents and just listen and watch and it's true. Western chatters are less these days even if the talent does try to speak to them. Meanwhile there are Jp account names I recognized from the early days still there doing their wwwww.
The reason why English viewers don't always comment is because it just feels weird for us to see only ourselves speaking in an entire different language from a flock of Japanese viewers. Although I don't think the JP viewers would judge us but there's this lingering feeling at the back of our heads that we're being judged and is thought of as weird. I think that probably goes the same way for JP viewers watching holostars EN especially for our boi Axel who definitely has more lurking JP viewers than the other members
a few yrs ago there were more english viewers tho and it holostars lives were flooded w english and jp but its obvious theres no more english fans now or just less which is sad… they never minded english comments at all
I mainly type in Japanese just because I don't want them to misunderstand my English message haha
I remember hanging out in chat during an astel apex stream. astel was commentating in jp, and jp chat was interacting and some of us english chatters were chatting in between. i remember we were discussing the strategies astel and his team were using and were getting kinda heated when a jp commenter said "kaigainiki?" and I replied "hai?", and the jp commenters laughed, and one dude just said "did we just get bonked?" and after that the english chat died. I haven't interacted in his chat since. so take that how you will.
Generally if chatters are having their own conversation amongst themselves, it’s frowned upon and can be annoying/distracting, especially if it’s starting an argument
If its OOT i understand
But what if someone ask just like he did about streamer strategies since they cant always see the comment because they need to focus on game?
i mean it makes sense that you guys would be called or something since you mentioned the discussion was getting heated. jp viewers discuss about strategies as well so its probably the fact that the discussion was getting too personal and away from astel and his team
Astel interacts a lot with English comments usually, but during a tourney, there are a lot of commenters who type between them and use the @ even though it's forbidden by his rules.
He doesn't mind if we interact with him directly but he doesn't want his chat to be full of mentions and derive from what happens on the screen
it’s because you’re not supposed to have a conversation among each other, that’s a common vtuber chat etiquette.
you are free to chat in english but direct it towards astel and stay on topic