Have you had a chance to experiment with the purple steel mill deck? That deck was my favorite deck in set 2 and I want to continue it in 3 but it seems to be so far.behind now without jafar
I have not touched purple steel mill this set. I loved that deck set 2 as well but the green toolkit seems absurdly too strong right now. Purple steel does really feel like it'd rather go down the jafar path.
I run basically the same list with a. Few variations on quantity’s. I do have a 1 of milo in there for clutch cases. I’ve been in a spot when I’ve just had an Ursula on the board late game and they’ve gone wide. I dropped him and storm raged on him to kill and draw 2. One being a wheel and away we go
I can’t see why Lyle shouldn’t trigger on a be prepared. He still sees it happen, so his ability should go on the stack. And yes, I know we don’t have a stack in lorcana but triggered abilities like baby kuzco drawing a card have to go somewhere. We don’t say “ah, but kuzco isn’t on the battle field, so you don’t get his ability”
@@LorcanaVillain it doesn't change the point I've made. When a triggered ability happens, it has to go somewhere. Just like when you multiple trigger at the start of turn. You're deciding what order they resolve in. So the triggers have to go somewhere. So it stands to reason that when be prepared happens, those Lyle's trigger still happens, regardless of whether he's around to see the ability resolve. Just like if you have an effect that said "whenever one of your characters is banished, you gain one lore". Things like that are designed to punish boardwipes. This is clearly that. It doesn't say "whenever one of your other characters is banished BUT Lyle isn't"
I see a lot of self draw. Seeing only 8+ above an opposing player seems like you may accidentally put yourself in a position where you mill yourself and can’t find an alternate win con
I found that I actually don't mill them too often and just win through tempo and card advantage myself. Also a lot of decks have a lot of card draw themselves so it allows me to still mill them should I choose to go that route. Also, ursula cycling back the double sing cards back into the deck keeps my deck size healthy for the mill path.
What’s the meta ? Did zefa drop a video ? Lol great video my man can’t wait for the ladder grind for season 3 and hopefully we can see each other at an irl event soon 💯
This game will need a ban list soon & I would very much prefer them to go the Yugioh route than the Pokemon/Magic route of rotating out enter sets. Just ban, limit and semi limit cards.
something will for sure need to be done about game balance in future, and i'm not even talking about specific cards but also the play/draw issue imbalance in the game.
locations just doesn't feel like it fits in mill, but definitely could be part of a different green steel variation, particularly an aggressive one with cursed merfolk. and of course there's the bayou beast sheriff of nottingham combo deck too.
I think its solid and a contender in the meta, its combo is hard to get off consistently with all the discard disruption in the meta along with the zeus removal spell so handle with care
once mill gets going, i feel like it wraps up the game fairly quickly as it tempos out whole new world turn after turn and finishes the mill process after 6 whole new worlds usually. But a lot of my games don't go to milling and just end up winning on board with card advantage.
locations actually are tough for green steel to deal with usually, and some big hp characters as well... but the deck has a large toolkit to handle most scenarios.
Shouldnt be any debate. It’s been confirmed on the official discord. He sees the other characters banished and the lore loss triggers once the opponent has resolved be prepared and their own triggers (e.g. rabbit).
How has the quantity of uninkables felt with the games you played? 20 feels like you're playing a fine line on bricking without super careful mulligans?
We do have ok ink dilution with playing a 66-68 card list. Also, strike a match helps filter out some of the uninkables early. 20 has felt much better than the original 23-26 that was run during set 1 mill.
Congrats on the personal milestones Zefa 🔥🔥. Lyle should trigger from be prepared as lyle triggers when you kill something with a damage song and its wording doesn’t mention being challenged just banished
Lyle is banished at the same time as the other characters, so no I don't think he will trigger. This interaction is in many other card games as well and the card has to survive to "see" other characters being banished.
Shouldn't the mill version of this deck be terrible in this meta because of Jafar? Figured playing AWNW would just guarantee they destroy you with his ability.
If they can get jafar to stick sure... but he has to be in play and exerted, and through double songs of strength of a raging fire, storm rage on + robin hood snipes, + mother knows best or just simply ursula hand disruption and taking the non-mill lines, i've found green steel to be actually favored in this matchup.
@@ZefaGames yeah, out of all of those options, mother knows best is a great solution. Strength of a Raging Fire can get neutralized by their steel control cards. MKB is killer. I forget about that one. Good content presentation BTW!
Wake up honey, new Zefa video just dropped.
the GOAT has returned
Facts. Love seeing this comment from another top tier Lorcana content creator
Have you had a chance to experiment with the purple steel mill deck? That deck was my favorite deck in set 2 and I want to continue it in 3 but it seems to be so far.behind now without jafar
I have not touched purple steel mill this set. I loved that deck set 2 as well but the green toolkit seems absurdly too strong right now. Purple steel does really feel like it'd rather go down the jafar path.
great content, the editing of the video and especially the resulting explanations are really well illustrated and argued !! Good job
I'm having a blast playing this deck. As the meta changes I can see this deck being able to adapt.
Zefa I don't say this often but you are such a great creator please do this as a full-time job. If you had a Patreon I'd support it 1000%!
Finally emerald is taking its rightful place in the meta. Who knew it would be Ursula singing us to victory!
New Zefa video! Let’s go! Thanks for making this for us!
I've had a good experience all right... watching you make a new vod
So pumped you’re still working this deck. I was worried it was going to be gone set 3
this deck feels ridiculously strong this set. mostly because I think ursula might be one of the most broken cards printed so far...
Took forever man we missed you.
I run basically the same list with a. Few variations on quantity’s. I do have a 1 of milo in there for clutch cases. I’ve been in a spot when I’ve just had an Ursula on the board late game and they’ve gone wide. I dropped him and storm raged on him to kill and draw 2. One being a wheel and away we go
because of morph, i can definitely see sometimes running shift tech cards like 1 of milos and stuff for sure.
Love your videos and insight, Zefa! Keep em up!
I've had weird thoughts of trying a steel blue mill using wheel and that new friends card which inks 3.
Haha i thought about it too but it seems too difficult and that card seems too bad
I can’t see why Lyle shouldn’t trigger on a be prepared. He still sees it happen, so his ability should go on the stack. And yes, I know we don’t have a stack in lorcana but triggered abilities like baby kuzco drawing a card have to go somewhere. We don’t say “ah, but kuzco isn’t on the battle field, so you don’t get his ability”
Be prepared is a simultaneous trigger, everything dies at the same time so he isn’t around to see characters get banished
Baby Kuzgo triggers specifically when banished. Lyle needs to be on the field when a card is banished to get trigger.
@@LorcanaVillain it doesn't change the point I've made. When a triggered ability happens, it has to go somewhere. Just like when you multiple trigger at the start of turn. You're deciding what order they resolve in. So the triggers have to go somewhere.
So it stands to reason that when be prepared happens, those Lyle's trigger still happens, regardless of whether he's around to see the ability resolve.
Just like if you have an effect that said "whenever one of your characters is banished, you gain one lore". Things like that are designed to punish boardwipes. This is clearly that. It doesn't say "whenever one of your other characters is banished BUT Lyle isn't"
And from reading the official discord it turns out I'm absolutely correct
if you are absolutely correct then I will say I was absolutely wrong 🙂@@LeviClay
congrats on attending your first paper event! everyone gets nerves at the first one but it gets better with experience
I didn't even bring a playmat to my first locals and everyone was shocked when I put my deck straight on the table lol.
This set bout to be bonkers, John silver w/ locations is wild. Steel definitely taking its place in the meta
great video, always happy when you upload a new one
I can see your logic of "turn 1 hook turn 2 smee" being good in steelsong as well
What a beautiful morning with a new ZEFA Video. What re your thoughts about Milo legendary?
I looked at milo but barely considered him. If a card is uninkable, it better be incredible to make the mill list and milo doesn't quite cut it there.
I see a lot of self draw. Seeing only 8+ above an opposing player seems like you may accidentally put yourself in a position where you mill yourself and can’t find an alternate win con
I found that I actually don't mill them too often and just win through tempo and card advantage myself. Also a lot of decks have a lot of card draw themselves so it allows me to still mill them should I choose to go that route. Also, ursula cycling back the double sing cards back into the deck keeps my deck size healthy for the mill path.
@@ZefaGames didn’t even think about the songs going back
Great again 😀
One question: How do you deal with early Locations? So hard to get rid of them. 😬
most steel decks (including this one) have started adding rise of the titans as a 2-4x of.
@@ZefaGamesok, that make sense 👍🏼- I thought about „…along came Zeus“ 😃
What’s the meta ? Did zefa drop a video ? Lol great video my man can’t wait for the ladder grind for season 3 and hopefully we can see each other at an irl event soon 💯
This game will need a ban list soon & I would very much prefer them to go the Yugioh route than the Pokemon/Magic route of rotating out enter sets. Just ban, limit and semi limit cards.
Totally agree
something will for sure need to be done about game balance in future, and i'm not even talking about specific cards but also the play/draw issue imbalance in the game.
Have you thought about including locations ?
locations just doesn't feel like it fits in mill, but definitely could be part of a different green steel variation, particularly an aggressive one with cursed merfolk. and of course there's the bayou beast sheriff of nottingham combo deck too.
Would love to see a video on blue steel on this channel.
Maybe one day
How do feel about the new jafar shift go quick deck
I think its solid and a contender in the meta, its combo is hard to get off consistently with all the discard disruption in the meta along with the zeus removal spell so handle with care
It's Youvi :p GG for the last match
Do you think you can mill someone effectively in a Bo3 match on paper without drawing/going to time every final round?
once mill gets going, i feel like it wraps up the game fairly quickly as it tempos out whole new world turn after turn and finishes the mill process after 6 whole new worlds usually. But a lot of my games don't go to milling and just end up winning on board with card advantage.
Would you take this to a case tournament this weekend?
I think green steel will be the deck to beat this format, so yes
May u can show us how to handle this green steel combo, what we need to beat this.
Good Video btw
locations actually are tough for green steel to deal with usually, and some big hp characters as well... but the deck has a large toolkit to handle most scenarios.
Lyle should trigger with BP
this is how i felt but seems there's a lot of debate on it so far...
Shouldnt be any debate. It’s been confirmed on the official discord. He sees the other characters banished and the lore loss triggers once the opponent has resolved be prepared and their own triggers (e.g. rabbit).
Is it suppose to be over 60 cards?
Yes as it is a mill deck, so you don't wanna mill yourself
Do you feel discard this set will be strong?
Yes, i could see it potentially being the strongest version of green steel variants
How has the quantity of uninkables felt with the games you played? 20 feels like you're playing a fine line on bricking without super careful mulligans?
We do have ok ink dilution with playing a 66-68 card list. Also, strike a match helps filter out some of the uninkables early. 20 has felt much better than the original 23-26 that was run during set 1 mill.
Congrats on the personal milestones Zefa 🔥🔥. Lyle should trigger from be prepared as lyle triggers when you kill something with a damage song and its wording doesn’t mention being challenged just banished
Lyle is banished at the same time as the other characters, so no I don't think he will trigger. This interaction is in many other card games as well and the card has to survive to "see" other characters being banished.
@@benlarkin857 oh yeah you are right, he is banished at the same time so he isn’t able to trigger
Shouldn't the mill version of this deck be terrible in this meta because of Jafar? Figured playing AWNW would just guarantee they destroy you with his ability.
If they can get jafar to stick sure... but he has to be in play and exerted, and through double songs of strength of a raging fire, storm rage on + robin hood snipes, + mother knows best or just simply ursula hand disruption and taking the non-mill lines, i've found green steel to be actually favored in this matchup.
@@ZefaGames yeah, out of all of those options, mother knows best is a great solution. Strength of a Raging Fire can get neutralized by their steel control cards. MKB is killer. I forget about that one. Good content presentation BTW!
congrats on being Highlighted on Pixelborn
6/5🐙