The day that Bison Graced SF6 was the most important day of your life... but for me it was...gikkk.... (Gets punished with slk on block trying to knee press)
I'm gonna Shadow Rise into the comments. Lots of great tips! I'll always remember this as the day I started focusing on beating M Bison. Truly a memorable Tuesday for us all.
Dude I get away with double standing jab into light double knee all day 😂😂😂 and then follow up with more jabs with a medium kick . The Bison Army approves this message 🫡🫡🫡🫡
Idk if you've know, recently Dogura and Nemo had exchange information on Bisonベガ, that Bison has a non-true blockstring that automatically space for knee press to be safe. 5hp => (not true blockstring) 2mp => knee press You have to be aware if Bison players start doing this, also lab your own counter. (Deal with 5hp, or interrupt Bison after blocking 5hp with something maybe parry)
This is so great man I love all the hype for Bison I was sad I thought he was dead for good. Now all I need back is Heihachi and I'll be cooking again with my mains.
Played 14 bison matchups 100 league points away from diamond 4, lost 3 rank up matches to bison the same hour, finally got in, got a LP cushion in diamond 4 so I don’t rank down losing one set. Yeah thanks man, prioritizing this matchup big time, as JP. Seeing that od psycho crusher coming at me full screen when I’m opening a departure portal grinded my gears until I recognized those start up frames
Ken - St. Short DRC into St. Strong for Ken - party starter. Don’t even needed +2 punish counter, just regular counter hit works. E.g., st. Short, DRC st. Strong, cr. Fierce, RH Jinrai to Lvl3. Many more examples. We are so privileged.
nice. ive switched from juri to bison. great guide, cus its something you need to check early to curb his neutral presence. the rest of his kit is pretty fun. i think they could slightly nerf sciz and hed still be strong in the areas he already excels in. but with knowledge like this, im not sure if its needed yet? we really need to talk about his scaling... edit: another layer to the devils reverse mixup is early whiffed stomp. beats reaction dps and some grounded anti airs.
Think of his scissors kick as a hadouken. Capcom is smart, and they understand hadoukens are more than just projectiles. They are pokes, footsies, etc. Your brain is treating scissors kick as a hadouken, and in theory, Bisons kick is that. Capcom know their stuff lol But it is punishable. You do need to be at a good distance for it to be safe, but if they do it close enough, and its blocked, you can punish it. Thats the only difference between a hadouken.
It is sometimes possible for Guile to just do cr. LP, sweep against knee press, works on the H. version as well, but the spacing is less lenient for Guile. The extended hurtbox does make it reach from farther than you'd expect though. Also to bait EX psycho crusher with Guile land a H. Flash Kick then do L. Sonic Blade and neutral jump.
I don’t mind bison but one thing I dislike about the design of some characters is that you can use a character for less than half an hour and be decent against others who put hours into their characters. Bison is easy mode and takes no effort. Same with Balrogs archetype. Its mad annoying how Bisons drive reversal has so much pushback, you can barely punish even though it’s -6 and even though youre standing right next to him.
So it's not just me fucking up the punish timing eh? I kept missing my 6 frame MP punish against him with Cammy even at what appears to be point blank range
That’s exactly why all his moves should have stayed charge. The minute his scissors became fireball motion he became easy because you are not rewarding the players who master managing their charge
Non-EX Psycho Crusher is variably minus on block depending on how late it hits into its active frames. It's always punishable but it's possible it won't be AS punishable as you think. The best I've managed to get is a perfectly placed psycho crusher is -6 so you're generally guaranteed at least a medium starter but not always a heavy. Looking just at the frame data in the video here the L. Psycho Crusher could have hit up to 12F later which would have made it -5.
I have done di before on a scissor kick read and it crumbled me and broke the armor. Has only happened a few times but could it be because im lily and the kick is disjointed enough to hit me out of my di? Also how do you deal with his ex headstomp as lily? I feel like i have no tools that can beat it out even if i know it's coming. Thanks
there's a couple characters he missed specifics on. Try the types of moves he's suggesting in training and see how it goes. I think he also skipped Honda and wow can Honda blow this guy up!
He really doesn’t need a nerf, people just love crying and forget that they need to actually lab how to beat characters and actually read their opponent’s behaviour to counter it
I believe Bison will get a nerf within the next 1-2 months, similar to what happened with Akuma. They might add a damage penalty for combos following the mine. Other aspects seem pretty decent to me.
too bad marisa standing LK not fast enough though combo off it ok but i like to use to drive rush sneak in command grab i saw nephew did it so i add to my gameplan . as for bison stomp i use her jumping mp soon i see him launch up also cr mp works too love doing that to them lol be careful of overdrive stomp it will get stuff . quick note don.t use gladius he will bounce off it try day 1 not fun 🤣. if he going for devil reverse armor punch it watch out a good bison will delay it to throw you off that triggers me my own fault need to be more patience same back sfv dealing bison .
As a Bison player, I hate playing against Ken , matter of fact, in SF6 I don’t even like Ken anymore 😂😂 but I can respect his game and the people who play with Ken , just don’t have to like them 😂😂😂🫡🫡🫡
All of this anti-Bison tech coming out on a Tuesday is poetic justice.
The day that Bison Graced SF6 was the most important day of your life... but for me it was...gikkk.... (Gets punished with slk on block trying to knee press)
Great video as always. Appreciate the info.
I'm gonna Shadow Rise into the comments.
Lots of great tips! I'll always remember this as the day I started focusing on beating M Bison.
Truly a memorable Tuesday for us all.
Dude I get away with double standing jab into light double knee all day 😂😂😂 and then follow up with more jabs with a medium kick . The Bison Army approves this message 🫡🫡🫡🫡
Jab>knee press>jab>knee press>jab>knee press>jab>knee press>jab knee press>jab>knee press 😅
pro tip: never challenge a Bison player on a tuesday
Idk if you've know, recently Dogura and Nemo had exchange information on Bisonベガ, that Bison has a non-true blockstring that automatically space for knee press to be safe.
5hp => (not true blockstring) 2mp => knee press
You have to be aware if Bison players start doing this, also lab your own counter. (Deal with 5hp, or interrupt Bison after blocking 5hp with something maybe parry)
Aki can use standing LK or crouching LK to punish scissors. Standing LK is currently very strong for her combo routes.
This is so great man I love all the hype for Bison I was sad I thought he was dead for good. Now all I need back is Heihachi and I'll be cooking again with my mains.
Certified Vesper Classic
Haven't watched one of your vids in a long time. Good info. Thanks.
Played 14 bison matchups 100 league points away from diamond 4, lost 3 rank up matches to bison the same hour, finally got in, got a LP cushion in diamond 4 so I don’t rank down losing one set. Yeah thanks man, prioritizing this matchup big time, as JP. Seeing that od psycho crusher coming at me full screen when I’m opening a departure portal grinded my gears until I recognized those start up frames
it's kinda crazy how Akuma and Bison completely changed the meta, Capcom really wants the villains to have a lot of presence in this game lol
Want us to spend a lot of $ on the new character more so 😂
As it should be
Ken - St. Short DRC into St. Strong for Ken - party starter. Don’t even needed +2 punish counter, just regular counter hit works. E.g., st. Short, DRC st. Strong, cr. Fierce, RH Jinrai to Lvl3. Many more examples.
We are so privileged.
when u can't afford the s2 dlc and have to watch guide to counter lmao
6:12 😂 , you sleept well = your fingers got updated.
nice. ive switched from juri to bison. great guide, cus its something you need to check early to curb his neutral presence.
the rest of his kit is pretty fun. i think they could slightly nerf sciz and hed still be strong in the areas he already excels in. but with knowledge like this, im not sure if its needed yet? we really need to talk about his scaling...
edit: another layer to the devils reverse mixup is early whiffed stomp. beats reaction dps and some grounded anti airs.
The sign off was pure bars!
Think of his scissors kick as a hadouken. Capcom is smart, and they understand hadoukens are more than just projectiles. They are pokes, footsies, etc. Your brain is treating scissors kick as a hadouken, and in theory, Bisons kick is that. Capcom know their stuff lol
But it is punishable. You do need to be at a good distance for it to be safe, but if they do it close enough, and its blocked, you can punish it. Thats the only difference between a hadouken.
thanks for this
It is sometimes possible for Guile to just do cr. LP, sweep against knee press, works on the H. version as well, but the spacing is less lenient for Guile.
The extended hurtbox does make it reach from farther than you'd expect though.
Also to bait EX psycho crusher with Guile land a H. Flash Kick then do L. Sonic Blade and neutral jump.
I needed this. I was letting bison get away with merdur lol
With akuma, lk into m tatsu is a really good punish for knee press. Lots of corner carry and great oki.
I don’t mind bison but one thing I dislike about the design of some characters is that you can use a character for less than half an hour and be decent against others who put hours into their characters. Bison is easy mode and takes no effort. Same with Balrogs archetype. Its mad annoying how Bisons drive reversal has so much pushback, you can barely punish even though it’s -6 and even though youre standing right next to him.
So it's not just me fucking up the punish timing eh?
I kept missing my 6 frame MP punish against him with Cammy even at what appears to be point blank range
That’s exactly why all his moves should have stayed charge. The minute his scissors became fireball motion he became easy because you are not rewarding the players who master managing their charge
Playing against bison is fun once you know how to fight him
As a Gief I always just kept blocking I didn’t know that I could SPD after the damn kick. I’m almost to master rank too 😅
Time for Bison players to find a new cheap wagon 😂
How about using Zangief’s Tundra Storm to punish Bison’s Double Knee Press?
Non-EX Psycho Crusher is variably minus on block depending on how late it hits into its active frames.
It's always punishable but it's possible it won't be AS punishable as you think. The best I've managed to get is a perfectly placed psycho crusher is -6 so you're generally guaranteed at least a medium starter but not always a heavy. Looking just at the frame data in the video here the L. Psycho Crusher could have hit up to 12F later which would have made it -5.
Thank you
I have done di before on a scissor kick read and it crumbled me and broke the armor. Has only happened a few times but could it be because im lily and the kick is disjointed enough to hit me out of my di?
Also how do you deal with his ex headstomp as lily? I feel like i have no tools that can beat it out even if i know it's coming. Thanks
Nice work on the vid. Is there a "how to counter Akuma" video 😮
@21:00
Yep, OD Psycho Crusher is DI reactable.
Wanna ask if there's any options for JP?
there's a couple characters he missed specifics on. Try the types of moves he's suggesting in training and see how it goes. I think he also skipped Honda and wow can Honda blow this guy up!
@@Jarrych83 Yeah Bison-Honda feels so weird for Bison like what do you even do against the guy lmao
@@Lexicon865 other than Bison's couple of OP tools, it feels like a lot of counterplay back and forth.
cr.lp + whatever connect for special moves.
Lesgoooo❤❤
Vesper please make the Ed tutorial for me
How to counter Knee Press: Don't get hit by Knee Press! Got it lol
Eagle spike doesnt work with st lp for rashid.
I cannot wait for the bison nerf. He's just awful to play against right now.
Does this mean Bison will not get nerfed now?
He really doesn’t need a nerf, people just love crying and forget that they need to actually lab how to beat characters and actually read their opponent’s behaviour to counter it
@heroicsquirrel Thank you , someone gets, they’re just to lazy to learn
I believe Bison will get a nerf within the next 1-2 months, similar to what happened with Akuma. They might add a damage penalty for combos following the mine. Other aspects seem pretty decent to me.
too bad marisa standing LK not fast enough though combo off it ok but i like to use to drive rush sneak in command grab i saw nephew did it so i add to my gameplan . as for bison stomp i use her jumping mp soon i see him launch up also cr mp works too love doing that to them lol be careful of overdrive stomp it will get stuff . quick note don.t use gladius he will bounce off it try day 1 not fun 🤣. if he going for devil reverse armor punch it watch out a good bison will delay it to throw you off that triggers me my own fault need to be more patience same back sfv dealing bison .
Good vid sir. Told y'all BISON IS BOTTOM TIER.
I played some guy who spammed it it was no fun I perfect countered a couple times but ya can only do so much
Guess nothing to worry about
LMAO Vesper named it Sizzer Kicks in the title but called Knee Press in the video…ultimate troll 🤣🤣🤣
Has anyone seen anything for JP?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont give them all the tech Vesper :(
noooo...my abusive tech is being exposed...
i gonna keep at it cause not everyone's memory is good each day lol
How to counter bison knee press: Tundra Storm 😮
Easy!
1. Wait for the inevitable nerfs.
2. ...
cammy gang. 5lk + Dr cancel + 5hp + 5mp + 5lk + mediuam spiral arrow
If close, can also do 5LP, 2MK xx H Spiral Arrow for more damage and universality than just 5LK xx H Spiral Arrow
yo vesper stop spelling out my main's secrets! I'm sure I got plenty of people to break their controller by spamming knee press😂😂
Wait.... what?! Metal.... GEAR????
Helpppp
Vesper delete this!! My Bison is being blown up now!! 😢
Bison is forcing players to use the game mecanics at a deeper level imo.
One has no choice against Bison
That's cool and all but Ed cant reach at all
Delete this right now!!
Im sick of fightin against him
Lol Y'all still getting f*cked by this move its been like a week now 😅
Do that on a real player
As a Bison player, I hate playing against Ken , matter of fact, in SF6 I don’t even like Ken anymore 😂😂 but I can respect his game and the people who play with Ken , just don’t have to like them 😂😂😂🫡🫡🫡